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Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 1:14 pm
by teddyaware
Hosh wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:29 am
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:58 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:34 pm
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:27 pm
In the Book of Mormon we’re taught that, “all things which are good cometh of Christ; otherwise men were fallen, and there could no good thing come unto them.” (Moroni 7:24) Are you suggesting the many beneficial medicines that have helped millions to heal the body, relieve suffering and prevent sickness are not to be numbered among the good that cometh of Christ? And please understand that in asking this question I acknowledge that not all so-called pharmaceuticals are beneficial and wholesome. Have you ever been helped by taking medicines when you were sick or not feeling well, and will you deny that the help you received from those medicines is a good thing?
That's not what the young woman said, is it? She stated that medical professions (the people, not the actual healing) are an
extension of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
I'm usually picky about my wording, and I realize that many people (especially my age) aren't that way, so I don't believe she meant it in that way. But that statement at face value is false.
I would be ok with saying that, when authorized, men
CAN extend the healing power of Christ in His name.
So then you do believe dedicated medical practitioners may also be included in the list of those good things that can only come to man through the atonement of Christ? Remember, anything that is good can only come to man through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and without it no good thing — including those who are well practiced in the healing arts — could come to man.
What we call good and what God calls good may not always be the same.
Isn’t it as obvious as obvious can be that conscientious doctors and surgeons, who have good track records of successfully healing their patients’ diseases, are engaged in doing something that’s good? Or do you think God believes all those in the medical profession are engaged in doing evil?
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 1:15 pm
by teddyaware
Hosh wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:29 am
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:58 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:34 pm
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:27 pm
In the Book of Mormon we’re taught that, “all things which are good cometh of Christ; otherwise men were fallen, and there could no good thing come unto them.” (Moroni 7:24) Are you suggesting the many beneficial medicines that have helped millions to heal the body, relieve suffering and prevent sickness are not to be numbered among the good that cometh of Christ? And please understand that in asking this question I acknowledge that not all so-called pharmaceuticals are beneficial and wholesome. Have you ever been helped by taking medicines when you were sick or not feeling well, and will you deny that the help you received from those medicines is a good thing?
That's not what the young woman said, is it? She stated that medical professions (the people, not the actual healing) are an
extension of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
I'm usually picky about my wording, and I realize that many people (especially my age) aren't that way, so I don't believe she meant it in that way. But that statement at face value is false.
I would be ok with saying that, when authorized, men
CAN extend the healing power of Christ in His name.
So then you do believe dedicated medical practitioners may also be included in the list of those good things that can only come to man through the atonement of Christ? Remember, anything that is good can only come to man through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and without it no good thing — including those who are well practiced in the healing arts — could come to man.
What we call good and what God calls good may not always be the same.
Isn’t it as obvious as obvious can be that conscientious doctors and surgeons who have good track records of successfully healing their patients’ diseases are engaged in doing something that’s good? Or do you think God believes all those in the medical profession are engaged in doing evil?
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 1:27 pm
by JK4Woods
Well... speaking of doctors...
They don’t like the fact that of all the professions here on earth, theirs will be obsolete after the resurrection.
I’m a builder, I expect to be building during the millennium. I expect teachers to teach, book keepers to have a handle on supply chains and accounting for consecrated property and materials so I can keep building, etc.
But doctors...?? Out of luck...
Maybe they will use all their time trying to purge the arrogance and “better me than you” attitudes, during the millennium. (And realizing they have been deceived into thinking that the modern day western formula for medicine is so myopic that they won’t believe how far off the mark they really were...
Except for General Practitioners... they will be blessed for their service, and be able to transition to a different eternal career...
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 1:34 pm
by Hosh
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:15 pm
Hosh wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:29 am
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:58 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:34 pm
That's not what the young woman said, is it? She stated that medical professions (the people, not the actual healing) are an
extension of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
I'm usually picky about my wording, and I realize that many people (especially my age) aren't that way, so I don't believe she meant it in that way. But that statement at face value is false.
I would be ok with saying that, when authorized, men
CAN extend the healing power of Christ in His name.
So then you do believe dedicated medical practitioners may also be included in the list of those good things that can only come to man through the atonement of Christ? Remember, anything that is good can only come to man through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and without it no good thing — including those who are well practiced in the healing arts — could come to man.
What we call good and what God calls good may not always be the same.
Isn’t it as obvious as obvious can be that conscientious doctors and surgeons who have good track records of successfully healing their patients’ diseases are engaged in doing something that’s good? Or do you think God believes all those in the medical profession are engaged in doing evil?
As I said in precious posts in this thread I don't believe all medical treatment is evil, but I do believe it is of a telestial order. I'll make a more in depth post about this at some point.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:05 pm
by gradles21
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:19 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:12 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:07 am
TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:45 am
I've never known a single person in my life, much less a doctor, who I could consider "well practiced in the healing arts". Every doctor I've ever gone to has either made my condition worse, or thrown a generic (often dangerous) pill at it. Doctors as "healers" is an absolute joke.
The irony of socialised medicine is that the doctor is geared to spend the least amount of money possible on you, but in business medicine like the States, to extract the most from you. So it's actually the opposite here. You turn up and they tell you they can't do much for you.
I've encountered good and bad doctors. A decent doctor should at least be able to put your mind at ease or have a good 'bedside manner". Some doctors do have more sense. I knew one years ago who pointed out basic things like hospital patients should have views of gardens etc instead of brick walls.
It's pretty pathetic here, but on the rare occasions I go to the doctor, I get told to lose weight, exercise, stop smoking, stop drinking etc, all off a checklist. But they never provide a proper weight loss or dietary plan, and I've told them repeatedly I don't smoke or drink. I've also told them that I can't do a lot of gym training due to a shoulder injury from years back.
I contracted an ear infection in April/May. As an experiment, I let it correct itself. It took exactly the same time to sorted as it had on a previous occasion with medication.
Walk for 2 hours a day. You will lose weight.
I was doing that most of last year. The one problem was that I went through a lot of shoe leather and couldn't buy new ones over lockdown very easily! I was having to repair my own shoes and not very successfully.
Start fasting, it's that simple. Start with daily 24 hr fasts, throw in a 48 or 72 hr fast once a week while continuing the 24 hr fasts and the weight will melt off.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:12 pm
by HVDC
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:30 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:19 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:12 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:07 am
The irony of socialised medicine is that the doctor is geared to spend the least amount of money possible on you, but in business medicine like the States, to extract the most from you. So it's actually the opposite here. You turn up and they tell you they can't do much for you.
I've encountered good and bad doctors. A decent doctor should at least be able to put your mind at ease or have a good 'bedside manner". Some doctors do have more sense. I knew one years ago who pointed out basic things like hospital patients should have views of gardens etc instead of brick walls.
It's pretty pathetic here, but on the rare occasions I go to the doctor, I get told to lose weight, exercise, stop smoking, stop drinking etc, all off a checklist. But they never provide a proper weight loss or dietary plan, and I've told them repeatedly I don't smoke or drink. I've also told them that I can't do a lot of gym training due to a shoulder injury from years back.
I contracted an ear infection in April/May. As an experiment, I let it correct itself. It took exactly the same time to sorted as it had on a previous occasion with medication.
Walk for 2 hours a day. You will lose weight.
I was doing that most of last year. The one problem was that I went through a lot of shoe leather and couldn't buy new ones over lockdown very easily! I was having to repair my own shoes and not very successfully.
I recommend investing in a good pair of walking boots.
These look nice.
But you probably already have a pair
Just kidding!
Sir H
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:21 pm
by Robin Hood
HVDC wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:12 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:30 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:19 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:12 am
Walk for 2 hours a day. You will lose weight.
I was doing that most of last year. The one problem was that I went through a lot of shoe leather and couldn't buy new ones over lockdown very easily! I was having to repair my own shoes and not very successfully.
I recommend investing in a good pair of walking boots.
These look nice.
But you probably already have a pair
Just kidding!
Sir H
Mine are bright pink with lots of glitter and sequins.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:29 pm
by HVDC
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:21 pm
HVDC wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:12 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:30 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:19 am
I was doing that most of last year. The one problem was that I went through a lot of shoe leather and couldn't buy new ones over lockdown very easily! I was having to repair my own shoes and not very successfully.
I recommend investing in a good pair of walking boots.
These look nice.
But you probably already have a pair
Just kidding!
Sir H
Mine are bright pink with lots of glitter and sequins.
I actually have a black pair of motorcycle boots that look like those.
Not sure I would want to walk anywhere in them.
But I do look pretty cool zipping around town.
Unfortunately, pink would clash with my self image.
But sequins would be okay.
Sir H
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:38 pm
by Niemand
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:21 pm
Mine are bright pink with lots of glitter and sequins.
Can confirm!
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:40 pm
by jreuben
Brother Joseph and true prophets have taught against the evil, evil, dark and loathsome medical industry. Good doctors I have known hate their own industry and tell others not to get involved in it. They know the AMA, FDA and all of the other similar orgs and so on are simply extensions of satan and lucifer.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 2:58 pm
by Lineman1012
JK4Woods wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:27 pm
Well... speaking of doctors...
They don’t like the fact that of all the professions here on earth, theirs will be obsolete after the resurrection.
I’m a builder, I expect to be building during the millennium. I expect teachers to teach, book keepers to have a handle on supply chains and accounting for consecrated property and materials so I can keep building, etc.
But doctors...?? Out of luck...
Maybe they will use all their time trying to purge the arrogance and “better me than you” attitudes, during the millennium. (And realizing they have been deceived into thinking that the modern day western formula for medicine is so myopic that they won’t believe how far off the mark they really were...
Except for General Practitioners... they will be blessed for their service, and be able to transition to a different eternal career...
Another profession that will be hard pressed during the millennium is that of a lawyer.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 3:05 pm
by Niemand
jreuben wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:40 pm
Brother Joseph and true prophets have taught against the evil, evil, dark and loathsome medical industry. Good doctors I have known hate their own industry and tell others not to get involved in it. They know the AMA, FDA and all of the other similar orgs and so on are simply extensions of satan and lucifer.
All good things can be perverted. It is a good thing that all children get a chance to learn to read and write (except those with disabilities perhaps)... but that is not the same as saying they should all be brainwashed by the state.
I see medicine in a similar light. Some of this knowledge was given to us to help us, some of it like recent events is a Satanic perversion.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 3:33 pm
by Thinker
gradles21 wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:05 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:19 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:12 am
Walk for 2 hours a day. You will lose weight.
I was doing that most of last year. The one problem was that I went through a lot of shoe leather and couldn't buy new ones over lockdown very easily! I was having to repair my own shoes and not very successfully.
Start fasting, it's that simple. Start with daily 24 hr fasts, throw in a 48 or 72 hr fast once a week while continuing the 24 hr fasts and the weight will melt off.
It took years before I realized weight loss is about 80% food & just 20% exercise. Both are good to manage - but many focus so much on exercise, neglecting how long on a treadmill it takes to burn off a cheeseburger.
For those who can’t do long fasts, intermittent fasting (ie stop eating by 7pm & next day have late breakfast) may be a good alternative.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
by jreuben
@Niemand it is a fact that allopathic medicine was founded upon evil principals and by evil men. There is a lot of history to this that proves it to be the case (part of it involves deep Rockefeller involvement/investment due to the incredibly attractive subscription-bondage/slavery model and socialist countries are enormously illustrative of that even though the illustration can be made of other nations such as the USA and it being the literal capitol of communism @ NYC).
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 8:11 pm
by Niemand
jreuben wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
@Niemand it is a fact that allopathic medicine was founded upon evil principals and by evil men. There is a lot of history to this that proves it to be the case (part of it involves deep Rockefeller involvement/investment due to the incredibly attractive subscription-bondage/slavery model and socialist countries are enormously illustrative of that even though the illustration can be made of other nations such as the USA and it being the literal capitol of communism @ NYC).
Not only is that a massive generalisation, you're talking about the modern USA not most of the world. This does not apply to all times, all places and all people. Something isn't a fact just because you state it is.
I would have suggested you talk to more people in the field, but it is utterly corrupt now. Not so long ago that wasn't the case.
The idea it was entirely founded by evil men is palpable nonsense. Some of the greatest men in medicine barely made a penny off it.
You could make similar claims about capitalism, because it is mammon based. Ironically they'd be more accurate, but not entirely right either.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 7:21 am
by Robin Hood
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:11 pm
jreuben wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
@Niemand it is a fact that allopathic medicine was founded upon evil principals and by evil men. There is a lot of history to this that proves it to be the case (part of it involves deep Rockefeller involvement/investment due to the incredibly attractive subscription-bondage/slavery model and socialist countries are enormously illustrative of that even though the illustration can be made of other nations such as the USA and it being the literal capitol of communism @ NYC).
Not only is that a massive generalisation, you're talking about the modern USA not most of the world. This does not apply to all times, all places and all people. Something isn't a fact just because you state it is.
I would have suggested you talk to more people in the field, but it is utterly corrupt now. Not so long ago that wasn't the case.
The idea it was entirely founded by evil men is palpable nonsense. Some of the greatest men in medicine barely made a penny off it.
You could make similar claims about capitalism, because it is mammon based. Ironically they'd be more accurate, but not entirely right either.
It wasn't just the promotion of Allopathic medicine by the likes of Rockerfeller that I find suspicious, but the amount of energy and effort he and others put into rubbishing homeopathy and other natural treatments. The Allopathic approach couldn't succeed on it's own merits, any rival had to be discredited, destroyed and eliminated.
This is an odd way of approaching healthcare if the motivation is to heal people. If something works then surely that's a good thing irrespective of what the something is. But Rockerfeller and others were not particularly concerned with our health. They wanted complete control, they wanted a market for their growing and dominant petrochemical industry, they wanted to patent treatments, and they wanted the wealth that those would generate.
I have very little time or respect for Allopathic medicine. It is not particularly interested in curing conditions, only in masking symptoms.
The human body is very capable of repairing itself if given the chance.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 10:30 am
by jreuben
@Niemand, you make wrong assumptions here. I am basing my knowledge and assertions on direct information from professionals, doctors and researchers I have KNOWN and that practiced more than several decades ago. I can AUTHORITATIVELY speak to at least the 1920s and 1930s and that pretty much gets you to the root of modern allopathic (MD) medicine. I'm sorry you're so soaked in socialist propaganda that you seem to be so cynical on the wrong side of this fence.
Your remark about founded by evil men is also unfounded whereas I have actual research to back it up plus additional spiritual teachings to further enhance my sentiment. It is sad that the good ones in the health field have always been treated so terribly, but it's hard for a good man to work in an evil industry. An industry driven (and always so) by luciferian gadiantonite communists who prance around in capitalist clothing (communism and capitalism are simply two sides of the same coin; they are an artificial dichotomy created to keep people debating and divided - "if ye are not one, ye are not mine" tactics).
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 11:38 am
by EvanLM
yeaaaaars ago people went into medicine to help patients. For the last 30 years at least, they go into dentistry, doctoring, or law so they can make money. I know what is behind the "My son/daughter is going to be a lawyer, or My son/daughter is going to be a doctor comments. They are really bragging about the money their child will make. None are interested in really helping people. just money
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 2:04 pm
by jreuben
@EvanLM it seems that way but people who really wanted to help people even 70 and more years ago didn't go into MD medicine, they went into DO medicine and other osteopathic practices like chiropractics. They knew back then and the MD shills have always been more or less turds. I've known a number of LDS doctors throughout my life and I will tell you that each one that was an MD ended up going into business and being quite wealthy from their other ventures outside of medicine. A lot of people call that being tax smart and having a shrewd business sense, but in the end some of the things they said and did (while they seemed nice enough) seemed to indicate they did have some other driving factors in there. I think they wanted to do good with their money, but I still believe that they were tainted with mammon to a degree that prevented the fullness of truth from really finding place in their hearts.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 7:26 pm
by JohnnyL
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:03 am
Lineman1012 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 10:48 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 3:38 pm
I have mixed feelings about this. Is this horrible technocratic pharmaceutical nightmare godly? No.
However, is caring for the sick with care and patience not a good thing? The Adversary has essentially perverted something which should be good into something evil
Before sacrament meeting started today, I was talking to an elderly sister that told me that the doctor just diagnosed her with fibromyalgia and that she was now up to 12 prescriptions. All I could think about was how this sister was a goldmine for the pharmaceutical industry.
The word of the Lord is:
D&C 42:43 And whosoever among you are sick, and have not faith to be healed, but believe, shall be nourished with all tenderness,
with herbs and mild food, and that not by the hand of an enemy.
Herbs and mild food are direct creations of Father. Pharmaceutical pills are a creation of man. And now we are back to agency, pick your medicine.
I don't think it is even that simple. Off the top of my head, several painkillers are similar to or related to herbal remedies - morphine, aspirin (related to compounds found in willow bark), paracetamol (related to Feverfew's active ingredients) and so on. There is actually an overlap between the two.
However, just because something grows in your garden doesn't make it good. There are plenty of poisonous or dangerous things growing in there. Even the beloved potato plant has parts to it which can make you sick or kill you.
True, but... extracts of the plants are stronger, which can be good, but also sole parts of the whole. When you take out one part/ agent of the whole, it ruins the natural balance and makes the drug dangerous, with side effects.
Yes, plants can be poisonous.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 7:32 pm
by JohnnyL
TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:45 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:30 am
teddyaware wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:58 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:34 pm
That's not what the young woman said, is it? She stated that medical professions (the people, not the actual healing) are an
extension of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
I'm usually picky about my wording, and I realize that many people (especially my age) aren't that way, so I don't believe she meant it in that way. But that statement at face value is false.
I would be ok with saying that, when authorized, men
CAN extend the healing power of Christ in His name.
So then you do believe dedicated medical practitioners may also be included in the list of those good things that can only come to man through the atonement of Christ? Remember, anything that is good can only come to man through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and without it no good thing — including those who are well practiced in the healing arts — could come to man.
Again, that’s not what she said. You’re creating a straw-man. Her statement would imply that ALL those in the medical profession are good, which is a flat out lie.
"including those who are well practiced in the healing arts"
I've never known a single person in my life, much less a doctor, who I could consider "well practiced in the healing arts". Every doctor I've ever gone to has either made my condition worse, or thrown a generic (often dangerous) pill at it. Doctors as "healers" is an absolute joke.
Yeah, doctors rarely heal. I think we've all had similar experiences of most doctors more interested in spending 2 minutes to make a bad diagnosis and prescription than 3 minutes and get it right.
I've known a few good healers, but even then they are limited. I have also known a few good doctors, and many are good but blinded/ ignorant. I can understand.
Then, as one doctor also explained, it's the people that sometimes drive it. The child has a cold, there is no medicine, but if they don't prescribe antibiotics, the parents will go find a new doctor who will.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 8:10 pm
by JohnnyL
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:21 pm
HVDC wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:12 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:30 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:19 am
I was doing that most of last year. The one problem was that I went through a lot of shoe leather and couldn't buy new ones over lockdown very easily! I was having to repair my own shoes and not very successfully.
I recommend investing in a good pair of walking boots.
These look nice.
But you probably already have a pair
Just kidding!
Sir H
Mine are bright pink with lots of glitter and sequins.
Psst. I got the upgrade with the unicorn horn up front and center.
Re: False Doctrine that I heard over the pulpit this week
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 8:11 pm
by JohnnyL
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 7:21 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:11 pm
jreuben wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
@Niemand it is a fact that allopathic medicine was founded upon evil principals and by evil men. There is a lot of history to this that proves it to be the case (part of it involves deep Rockefeller involvement/investment due to the incredibly attractive subscription-bondage/slavery model and socialist countries are enormously illustrative of that even though the illustration can be made of other nations such as the USA and it being the literal capitol of communism @ NYC).
Not only is that a massive generalisation, you're talking about the modern USA not most of the world. This does not apply to all times, all places and all people. Something isn't a fact just because you state it is.
I would have suggested you talk to more people in the field, but it is utterly corrupt now. Not so long ago that wasn't the case.
The idea it was entirely founded by evil men is palpable nonsense. Some of the greatest men in medicine barely made a penny off it.
You could make similar claims about capitalism, because it is mammon based. Ironically they'd be more accurate, but not entirely right either.
It wasn't just the promotion of Allopathic medicine by the likes of Rockerfeller that I find suspicious, but the amount of energy and effort he and others put into rubbishing homeopathy and other natural treatments. The Allopathic approach couldn't succeed on it's own merits, any rival had to be discredited, destroyed and eliminated.
This is an odd way of approaching healthcare if the motivation is to heal people. If something works then surely that's a good thing irrespective of what the something is. But Rockerfeller and others were not particularly concerned with our health. They wanted complete control, they wanted a market for their growing and dominant petrochemical industry, they wanted to patent treatments, and they wanted the wealth that those would generate.
I have very little time or respect for Allopathic medicine. It is not particularly interested in curing conditions, only in masking symptoms.
The human body is very capable of repairing itself if given the chance.
Books have been written about the history of Western (allopathic) medicine, and the above is all true, and there's even more.
Can confirm!