LDS Freedom Forum

John Tavner wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 5:33 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 5:24 pm

OPMissionary wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:52 pm

Durzan wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 4:12 pm

Bruh. I'm very dense at times and I got it.

1. 99% of the world uses the Metric system. So the 6 ft apart thing has no real meaning except here in the US. Its literally a big ball of nothing.
2. Nowadays most of the world doesn't even believe in Satan on a general level, except perhaps in an ironic/sarcastic/paodic sense used just to troll with true believers.
3. Asian countries have long worn masks to reduce the spread of disease LONG BEFORE covid came around and they have never even heard of Satan. Therefore Masks are not in and of themselves symbolic of the devil here. Again its a whole bunch of nothing.

In other words, these points the other person brought up provide evidence that the covid system isn't inherently linked to satanic rituals, by providing examples of convergent behaviors and practices.

Bruh.

1. The customary system predates the metric system, and considering it's preeminence in the US and Britain (yes it's still colloquially used there) there's no reason 6ft couldn't be symbolic for something else.

2. Ok? The elites aren't "most of the world" and they certainly believe in many esoteric things that the masses don't.

3. Satanists and esoteric ritualists also have been wearing masks for far longer. Just because "people in Asia" did it for other reasons doesn't mean there's no symbolic reason the whole world is being forced to do it now.

In other words things you call "evidence" remain totally immaterial to the discussion.

Just to confirm, despite various government attempts to make us do otherwise, we still absolutely use the imperial system here.
Our road signs are in yards and miles. Our cars fuel economy is recorded in miles to the gallon, we order beer in pints, and if you ask someone how tall they are they will tell you in feet and inches. Ask them how much they weigh they'll answer in stones and lbs. There are 14lbs in a stone, 16oz in a lb.
We also bury people 6ft under.
For many, if you tell them they have to stay 2 metres apart, they'll only know what it means because they know that a metre and a yard are very similar. 2 metres = 2 yards (3ft in a yard, therefore 6ft).

I wish we still had the pre-decimal money system. 12 pennies in a shilling, 20 shillings in a pound.... farthing, ha'penny, penny, thru'pence, tanner (sixpence), bob (shilling), 2 bob (florin), half a crown (2 shillings and sixpence), crown (5 bob/shillings), 10 bob and so on... simple!

That said, we use Celsius for how cold it is eg -5, and Fahrenheit for how hot it is eg 80 degrees.

And you guys also fill up your gas in liters, not gallons, right?

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:01 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

BYU successfully coerces the NCAA and others into scheduling their games so they never have to play on Sunday. That’s just a day of the week, and they are able to have their demand met. We are talking the lives and health of young men.....but BYU kowtows to Babylon on the clotshot. Disgusting.

HVDC wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:05 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

Big deal.

BYU should have told those schools that they would be unable to play there because of the unreasonable risk of the jab to their players.

There is no reason that a college needs to have a sports program.

Dump it, along with all of the other unnecessary crap.

If they did that, a lot of problems would go away.

In the world, but not of the world.

We seem to have forgotten that.

The college is at fault for any harm their jab requirements cause and by extension, the church is too.

The church is going to find out what happens to those who pander.

The world does not support its own.

Sir H

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:07 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

And you think that's ok? WTH... BYU could just say no, we won't play. But instead, they just ruined a young man's life. And this is only one example of many. This same woman has a friend whose son took the jab, he was dead within a few hours. Oh, and this same friend is going to lose her job on Dec. 5th due to the vaccine mandate for hospitals. Your comments show a complete lack of empathy and tyranical justification.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:22 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:01 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

BYU successfully coerces the NCAA and others into scheduling their games so they never have to play on Sunday. That’s just a day of the week, and they are able to have their demand met. We are talking the lives and health of young men.....but BYU kowtows to Babylon on the clotshot. Disgusting.

Playing on Saturday or playing on Sunday does not affect at all the public health of people. Choosing to take a medical procedure or not however does, believe it or not. And you would have to bring your appeals not to the NCAA, but to the states of California, Oregon, and Washington.

When BYU football played Washington State on the road, the fans and players would not have even been able to access the stadium without having been vaccinated previously.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:35 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:07 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

And you think that's ok? WTH... BYU could just say no, we won't play. But instead, they just ruined a young man's life. And this is only one example of many. This same woman has a friend whose son took the jab, he was dead within a few hours. Oh, and this same friend is going to lose her job on Dec. 5th due to the vaccine mandate for hospitals. Your comments show a complete lack of empathy and tyranical justification.

BYU cannot simply say "No, we won't play," when it comes to matters of public health. They are in no position to demand the governments of Oregon, Washington, and California to accept their desire to play the teams in those states without getting the vaccine.

But wait!

BYU will be entering the Big XII soon. They have teams in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Florida, Ohio, and West Virginia, and I am quite sure THOSE states would be more than happy to accept any of those types of accommodations.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:31 am

HVDC wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:05 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 1:04 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 11:19 pm I visited with a friend this evening. She heard from this young man's mother that he was required to get the jab in order to play. He didn't even make it to the first game. As far as they know, he'll never be able to play basketball again.

Yeah, because you don't play all of your basketball games in Happy Valley. They have to travel. And most of their conference (for now) is in Washington, Oregon, and California, those paragons of liberty (that is sarcasm btw) that would REQUIRE those participating in their contests to get the jab if they were to play in those places. Not to mention if BYU is very good and they make the NCAA tournament or are decent and make the NIT.

Big deal.

BYU should have told those schools that they would be unable to play there because of the unreasonable risk of the jab to their players.

There is no reason that a college needs to have a sports program.

Dump it, along with all of the other unnecessary crap.

If they did that, a lot of problems would go away.

In the world, but not of the world.

We seem to have forgotten that.

The college is at fault for any harm their jab requirements cause and by extension, the church is too.

The church is going to find out what happens to those who pander.

The world does not support its own.

Sir H

OK, let's phase out sports.

Let's make an announcement that in two years (preferably four) BYU won't field any sports teams.

Let's follow the example of Rexburg or La'ie.

It CAN be done.

But not in the manner that you propose. The only way would be in the manner that I am proposing.

Right now it's too late to be able to do anything. The athletes that compete year in and year out, if Tom Holmoe were to come on the stage tomorrow and suggest the immediate termination of all athletics at BYU, would be very irate. They would feel a great sense of betrayal and it would be very bad press locally and nationally, especially after having recently accepted an invite to the Big XII conference, which, ironically, would have a much better record of liberty than the West Coast Conference or the Pac 12 conference.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:31 am They would feel a great sense of betrayal and it would be very bad press locally and nationally, especially after having recently accepted an invite to the Big XII conference

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 11:04 am “Just comply, it’ll be so much easier and people will like you, don’t mind that man over in the corner with cardiovascular issues or the 5 year old who has myocarditis. It’s totally cool so long as the ‘press’ likes us and we are good little sheeple. There’s no other way.”
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With no previously disclosed, underlying conditions, it just doesn't make sense that he would suddenly have a cardiac issue.

But apparently, sudden cardiac conditions -- and even deaths -- are mysteriously a prevalent thing in the world of sports these days, especially male sports which features players in their 20s:

Meanwhile...

Avi Barot, 29, Saurashtra cricketer, suffered cardiac arrest, passed away
Abou Ali, 22, professional footballer, collapsed on pitch during game
Fabrice NSakala, 31, Besiktas defender, collapsed on pitch during game
Jens De Smet, 27, footballer, collapsed on field, passed away of heart attack
Jente van Genechten, 25, footballer, collapsed on field due to heart attack
Frederic Lartillot, French footballer, collapsed in changing room, passed away due to heart attack after game
Benjamin Taft, 31, German footballer, collapsed after game, passed away due to heart attack
Rune Coghe, 18, Belgian footballer, suffered cardiac arrest on pitch
Sergio Aguero, 33, Barecelona star striker, admitted to hospital for cardiac exam after match
Emil Palsson, 28, Sognal midfielder, collapsed due to cardiac arrest during game
Antoine Méchin, 31, French triathlete, suffered pulmonary embolism
Luis Ojeda, 20, Argentine football player, unexpectedly passed away
Greg Luyssen, 22, Belgian pro cyclist, ends career due to heart issues
Pedro Obiang, 29, ex-West Ham star, suffered myocarditis post vaccine [5]

So, what brought Richard Harward from awesomely healthy to indefinitely down due to a cardiovascular issue?

Well, what hasn't been reported by any media (yet was confirmed to me via a second-hand source who knows Richard's family) is that Richard was given the Covid-19 "vaccine" 8 days prior to the Colorado Christian game.

Ontario wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:10 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 11:04 am “Just comply, it’ll be so much easier and people will like you, don’t mind that man over in the corner with cardiovascular issues or the 5 year old who has myocarditis. It’s totally cool so long as the ‘press’ likes us and we are good little sheeple. There’s no other way.”

With no previously disclosed, underlying conditions, it just doesn't make sense that he would suddenly have a cardiac issue.

But apparently, sudden cardiac conditions -- and even deaths -- are mysteriously a prevalent thing in the world of sports these days, especially male sports which features players in their 20s:

Meanwhile...

Avi Barot, 29, Saurashtra cricketer, suffered cardiac arrest, passed away
Abou Ali, 22, professional footballer, collapsed on pitch during game
Fabrice NSakala, 31, Besiktas defender, collapsed on pitch during game
Jens De Smet, 27, footballer, collapsed on field, passed away of heart attack
Jente van Genechten, 25, footballer, collapsed on field due to heart attack
Frederic Lartillot, French footballer, collapsed in changing room, passed away due to heart attack after game
Benjamin Taft, 31, German footballer, collapsed after game, passed away due to heart attack
Rune Coghe, 18, Belgian footballer, suffered cardiac arrest on pitch
Sergio Aguero, 33, Barecelona star striker, admitted to hospital for cardiac exam after match
Emil Palsson, 28, Sognal midfielder, collapsed due to cardiac arrest during game
Antoine Méchin, 31, French triathlete, suffered pulmonary embolism
Luis Ojeda, 20, Argentine football player, unexpectedly passed away
Greg Luyssen, 22, Belgian pro cyclist, ends career due to heart issues
Pedro Obiang, 29, ex-West Ham star, suffered myocarditis post vaccine [5]

So, what brought Richard Harward from awesomely healthy to indefinitely down due to a cardiovascular issue?

Well, what hasn't been reported by any media (yet was confirmed to me via a second-hand source who knows Richard's family) is that Richard was given the Covid-19 "vaccine" 8 days prior to the Colorado Christian game.