Questions to ask 70s - redux

[Subcomandante]

I mentioned in another thread that I have an ex Area Seventy in my family, and I also know an acting Area Seventy. Not general seventies, but area seventies.

GadiantonSlayer asked me to ask them if:

If the shots described are a literal godsend.
If we can always follow the leaders without worrying about falling i.e. if they are infallible or not.

Correct me, GadiantonSlayer, if I am wrong on those two questions. If you have any more questions, feel free to include them and I will return and report on them periodically as we go along.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Yes, I'm curious to see if they agree with those two statements, particularly the second.

[Subcomandante]

Yes, I'm curious to see if they agree with those two statements, particularly the second.

Got it.

Anything else to add?

The thread is open to all.

[BeNotDeceived]

Ask, have you read Joseph in the Gap by Taylor Drake?

And ask, for comments about the one described as the OMAS, the Davidic or End Times Servant.

[Subcomandante]

So far, here's what I have gotten as answers. This is a huge advantage to living on the same block as one of the people mentioned.

The apostles have up to now trusted President Nelson and Elder Renlund, the two doctors among the FP and Q12 concerning the vaccines. They have read up on the alternative treatments like HCQ and IVM, among others, but do not consider them as efficacious as the vaccines. Regardless, the idea is to maintain the status quo about the vaccines until more information comes out, and for now, they will abide by the governmental rules governing their usage; that includes boosters.

We never heard anything about a second shot of Coronavirus for any of the leaders, it is IMPLIED that they were fully vaccinated, so if one were being speculative they got the JnJ shot which is a one and done shot (and in addition, is NOT the MRNA shots like Pfizer and Moderna). But the leaders have not said to get a specific shot, just to get the shot or shots. We will know perhaps in the next few months if any of the leaders decided to boost up or not.

Generally speaking they consider the quickness of how the vaccines came out as a godsend, because usually vaccines like these take several years to make instead of one year or even several months.

About PRACTICES and POLICIES, leaders can be incorrect, and especially so in intepretation. During a leadership meeting, Elder Oaks had told the Seventies that in his trainings of stake presidents and mission presidents, he would interview them using the temple recommend questions to probe their dignity. After he finished, President Packer came up and said, that is not correct. The Temple Recommend questions are only to be used to gauge one's worthiness to enter the temple, and other questions of dignity should be raised to the Stake and Mission Presidents in another way according to how the Spirit dictates. So, yes, the Apostles can and do screw up on policies and procedures.

However, he made clear to note that the DOCTRINES are infallible, that the Church is not going to abandon the core doctrines. Gender is eternal, that has existed since we were intelligences, before the creation of our premortal selves, and will be with us throughout eternity. Marriage is between a man and a woman and will remain that way. He noted that the law of Celestial Marriage, including the aspect of polygamy, is a law of God, that for now is suspended. He made sure he said "suspended" and not "done away with," so this is an area where I was wrong. He cited the scripture in Isaiah where seven women would take hold of one man at the start of the Millennium as the scripture to back him up.

Where there is confusion amongst many members of the Church about POLICIES and DOCTRINES and he mentioned precisely the aspect of polygamy and the aspect of the Priesthood and who could receive it.

That it is the Lord that sees convenient when to allow polygamy and when not to, and who can receive the priesthood and who can't. The doctrine is that the Lord has set the bounds of marriage and has set the bounds of priesthood, which are subject to change depending on the situation which His covenant people are in.

I also asked him a few extra questions, which I will detail more in a subsequent post in the next hour or so, as I have more work to do.

[Gadianton Slayer]

This is actually really helpful...

The apostles have up to now trusted President Nelson and Elder Renlund, the two doctors among the FP and Q12 concerning the vaccines. They have read up on the alternative treatments like HCQ and IVM, among others, but do not consider them as efficacious as the vaccines. Regardless, the idea is to maintain the status quo about the vaccines until more information comes out, and for now, they will abide by the governmental rules governing their usage; that includes boosters.

There is no doubt now that the brethren are aware of alternative treatments and are choosing to ignore them for the vax. I'd bet that includes the studies on natural immunity as well. They're willingly choosing this, it's murder.

However, he made clear to note that the DOCTRINES are infallible, that the Church is not going to abandon the core doctrines.

Sure, Christ's doctrine is unchanging, but will the brethren always teach it? That's the question I want to be answered, literally verbatim:

"Can Russell M. Nelson lead us astray?"

And yeah, they've already abandoned some of the core elements of the doctrine of Christ. That's why He laid the condemnation in D&C 84:57, which Ezra T. Benson mentioned the church was still under. So, yeah, it's a lie.

[Reluctant Watchman]

However, he made clear to note that the DOCTRINES are infallible, that the Church is not going to abandon the core doctrines.

Yeah, right. They have changed doctrine btw. (e.g. Adam-God Doctrine) And Oaks said that it's difficult to know the difference between doctrine and policy when the prophet speaks for God.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Honestly, after talking to the few leaders I have, I don't expect to get any different answers. This is right in line with what my mission president and both stake presidents have said. Go figure.

[Subcomandante]

Ask, have you read Joseph in the Gap by Taylor Drake?

And ask, for comments about the one described as the OMAS, the Davidic or End Times Servant.

Neither have read the book, then again, I don't think they have the book in Spanish.

Concerning the OMAS, they say there's a lot of speculation on who it could be. There's not enough information to come to a conclusion.

One of my buddies (the owner of the Wood Zone blog) and a former poster here thinks it could be John the Revelator. Others think it could be Adam.

[Fred]

Well, since none of the shots are 100% and neither to they claim to be, doing nothing at all has a vastly higher success rate. So all of the people that believe that the shot is a good deal should rot in hell since along with being not effective it also kills in many cases.

As far as alternative treatments, RMN is simply a filthy liar if he says that IVM is not effective. I have read many studies, all of which are at or near 100% effective. In fact, many people that were ordered to the hospital to be killed were all better in just 3 days on Ivermectin.

So RMN, is an incompetent buffoon. As are any that follow him.