It is going to be open season on missionaries now.

[markharr]

In a month, the Biden admin hasn't had any response to the Haitian missionaries that were kidnapped.

Yesterday, this failure to act directly affected the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

All are safe after gunmen rob 70 missionaries, assault mission president and his wife during zone conference in Mexico

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/11/1 ... co-mission

[Aprhys]

As I posted on another post, NO ONE OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH CARES ABOUT THE CHURCH!!!. I doubt that the gunmen targeted the missionaries because they were Mormon. Most likely they are seen as easy targets. Maybe if the missionaries swarmed the gunmen and kicked their skulls in things like this wouldn't happen. In stead of being passive victims they should be taught to defend themselves

[markharr]

As I posted on another post, NO ONE OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH CARES ABOUT THE CHURCH!!!. I doubt that the gunmen targeted the missionaries because they were Mormon. Most likely they are seen as easy targets. Maybe if the missionaries swarmed the gunmen and kicked their skulls in things like this wouldn't happen. In stead of being passive victims they should be taught to defend themselves

They DO care about the church because the church has deep pockets and thousands of easy targets and now they know there will be no response from the US government

[Subcomandante]

As I posted on another post, NO ONE OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH CARES ABOUT THE CHURCH!!!. I doubt that the gunmen targeted the missionaries because they were Mormon. Most likely they are seen as easy targets. Maybe if the missionaries swarmed the gunmen and kicked their skulls in things like this wouldn't happen. In stead of being passive victims they should be taught to defend themselves

There were only two armed men and 70 missionaries, 57 of them Elders.

I would say about three fourths from Mexico, and half of the rest from other LatAm countries, and the other half from the US and Canada. Maybe a token African, European, Asian, or Pacific Islander.

It would sound simple enough, with the gunmen outnumbered 30 to 1. But in a place like this you never know what will happen if the gunmen were acting alone or if they were part of a much larger operation. This is why the mission rules state to comply with all the demands of those that try to rob things from you.

The missionaries affected would have been transferred to other areas as an emergency measure. The reason is to avoid any more of these types of situations.

[Fred]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

[Subcomandante]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

Missionaries are not forced to do anything, Fred. As representatives of Jesus Christ they preach of Him.

[markharr]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

I forgive you for this comment.

[tmac]

In Fred's defense, let's not kid ourselves that missionaries are not largely indoctrinated/brainwashed, and highly compelled. Of course they are not forced by the Church at gunpoint to do anything, but in many cases it's only a few degrees removed from that level of dominion and compulsion. They have all kinds of things hanging over their heads.

[Fred]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

Missionaries are not forced to do anything, Fred. As representatives of Jesus Christ they preach of Him.

You obviously are not up to date on the missionaries calling people on the phone to herd them into the clot shot centers. Pure satanism, that is. Call it speaking for him only if him is satan, otherwise you are telling a falsehood.

[Fred]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

I forgive you for this comment.

That's nice. Unfortunately calling people on the phone to get them into a clot shot center is evil. They are not forced at gunpoint as is pointed out, but they will be sent home in disgrace if they do not get people jabbed with satan's juice.

[JohnnyL]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

I forgive you for this comment.

That's nice. Unfortunately calling people on the phone to get them into a clot shot center is evil. They are not forced at gunpoint as is pointed out, but they will be sent home in disgrace if they do not get people jabbed with satan's juice.

So missionaries have been sent home in disgrace for refusing to participate in that? Please share more.

[Fred]

Missionaries are forced to believe and tell lies. Their job in some cases is to send people to slaughter, by getting the jab. The entire leadership of the church is socialist which is satanic. Any person stupid enough to send their child on a mission should not be surprised if they are killed. Why would God protect them? They preach satan all day long.

I forgive you for this comment.

That's nice. Unfortunately calling people on the phone to get them into a clot shot center is evil. They are not forced at gunpoint as is pointed out, but they will be sent home in disgrace if they do not get people jabbed with satan's juice.

So missionaries have been sent home in disgrace for refusing to participate in that? Please share more.

Tell me what happens to a missionary that refuses to participate in the satanic jab? Or what if instead of attempting to kill people, the missionary informed the people on the phone that VAERS has tens of thousands of deaths and far, far, many more bad side effects. Either of these proper responses would be viewed as failure to follow an order and you know it.

[tmac]

There is no question that Missionaries are getting sucked into the whole mess.

[cyclOps]

Dude on the history channel:



Fred on LDSFF:

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[EvanLM]

There's some stupid robbers. Other than cell phones they may have gained $67.00. I know that those countries believe that all americans have lots of money but missionaries and college students do not have money.

If these missionaries are not serving in their home country, then they must have the shot, right? The missionaries here were told to not tell us if they have or have not had it.

Anyway, how many deaths of members from vaxs or how widespread does disease have to become or how big of war must develop before our prophets realize that the Lord is no longer protecting us? The Lord is not going to protect our money, either. A few words of counseling and moving to another area is not going to protect them.

Usually during the big events in religious history, then there is a prophet on the earth calling down the tribulations. I don't think Nelson is calling them down, so who is? Has that responsibility been taken from him?

Also, the Lord's vengence will start in the church. . . God will have a humble people. Perhaps these children would be better with their parents protecting them and doing missionary work from their home.

[Fred]

Dude on the history channel:



Fred on LDSFF:
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Well, I'm probably guilty as charged since if they oppose Christ and His teachings, what else would you call them?

[BuriedTartaria]

It's time to end the missionary program (for a number of reasons). Loved my mission. Helped deepen my appreciation of the Book of Mormon and sprinkled water on seeds that eventually grew into fruit that made me realize that "the message" of it all wasn't right. The missionary program has reached a point where the negatives of all of it outweigh the benefit of it and with my thoughts that everything after the translation of the Book of Mormon is questionable in regards to actions being done by God's direction, I'm not sure I feel the modern-day two year mission beginning at 19 was ever a commandment of God.


I think the Book of Mormon is true. I think the message of the church misses the mark and I think the calamities we are facing and continue to face will pull this organization apart and leave it in ruin due to it (IMO) not being what it claims to be (God's kingdom on earth, can never be led astray, led by not just one prophet, but by 15 prophets, seers and revelators).

[JohnnyL]

I forgive you for this comment.

That's nice. Unfortunately calling people on the phone to get them into a clot shot center is evil. They are not forced at gunpoint as is pointed out, but they will be sent home in disgrace if they do not get people jabbed with satan's juice.

So missionaries have been sent home in disgrace for refusing to participate in that? Please share more.

Tell me what happens to a missionary that refuses to participate in the satanic jab? Or what if instead of attempting to kill people, the missionary informed the people on the phone that VAERS has tens of thousands of deaths and far, far, many more bad side effects. Either of these proper responses would be viewed as failure to follow an order and you know it.

My child on a mission hasn't been vaccinated, and nothing has happened.

I don't think the missionaries should be preaching VAERS, either, and my child won't participate (either way), and I assume that nothing will happen.

I had thought from your first response "they will be sent home in disgrace" that you had some stories or instances of that happening.

[Sunain]

The missionary program has reached a point where the negatives of all of it outweigh the benefit of it

I believe so too. The time was at the beginning of COVID to call them all home. Missionaries can still teach online. It's safer. Tracting is NOT a good idea anymore and since COVID, many places have outright banned it. The Internet has made spreading the gospel to all the world a lot easier in some respects. We are all here on this forum discussing it.

Members and priesthood in the local areas should be the ones that baptize, not the missionaries as they are the ones that will fellowship when the missionaries are gone. I know from my mission experience that a lot of investigators become friends with the missionaries and not the members of the ward and that leads to inactivity when the missionaries are transferred. Being online though does help reduced that issue.

[Gadianton Slayer]

My child on a mission hasn't been vaccinated, and nothing has happened.

I don't think the missionaries should be preaching VAERS, either, and my child won't participate (either way), and I assume that nothing will happen.

I had thought from your first response "they will be sent home in disgrace" that you had some stories or instances of that happening.

I’ve heard some horror stories from unvaxxed missionaries, a couple came home just because of the shaming. Glad that’s not happening to your missionary.

Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent people home for not getting vaxxed, I got booted for not wearing a mask.

[JohnnyL]

In a month, the Biden admin hasn't had any response to the Haitian missionaries that were kidnapped.

Yesterday, this failure to act directly affected the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

All are safe after gunmen rob 70 missionaries, assault mission president and his wife during zone conference in Mexico

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/11/1 ... co-mission

I don't know about the Haiti thing, but I do know that some missionaries are covert CIA.

[JK4Woods]

The missionary program has reached a point where the negatives of all of it outweigh the benefit of it

I believe so too. The time was at the beginning of COVID to call them all home. Mission arise can still teach online. It's safer. Tracting is NOT a good idea anymore and since COVID, many places have outright banned it. The Internet has made spreading the gospel to all the world a lot easier in some respects. We are all here on this forum discussing it.

Members and priesthood in the local areas should be the ones that baptize, not the missionaries as they are the ones that will fellowship when the missionaries are gone. I know from my mission experience that a lot of investigators become friends with the missionaries and not the members of the ward and that leads to inactivity when the missionaries are transferred. Being online though does help reduced that issue.

I thought the second point of sending out missionaries was having them sacrifice and becoming converted themselves.

18 year olds are malleable, that’s why military recruits are by and large 18. It’s an age to train up deep held beliefs. Ie: to not being bothered by killing fellow man.

Where as internal studies from decades past indicated returned LDS missionaries were 90% more likely to be married in the temple, pay tithing and bring up a family tied to the church.

Letting even a decade of 18 year olds not experience the refinement of listening and responding to the Spirit, when going about consecrated work, well we’d end up further from the original tenants of the restoration, than we already are.

[Fred]

What if a missionary did as Jesus did?

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Not a church. Not a handbook. Forget the profit and follow Christ instead. That person, like Jesus is an example. A product of the product. Such a person emanates light. People automatically like this person because s/he is non judgmental. Watching such a person is a source of strength. It spells self confidence in letters ten feet tall. Why? Because...

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
When a missionary puts his/her faith in a profit, that puts his faith in a doctor, that puts his faith in a scientist, that puts his faith in Big Pharma, who puts its faith in the WEF, who puts its faith in satan, the missionary is in fact a disciple of satan, even if unknowingly.

It takes quite a bit of faith to pursue spiritual excellence while leaving the necessities of life to the laws of the universe.

Some missionaries obtain a 2 year vacation with all expenses paid. Sometimes to exotic places around the world. All they have to do is bring people to Christ. Pretty tough job if their faith is in a fake godsend. How can a prospect believe what the missionary professes to believe if the missionary does not actually believe what s/he professes to believe?

The MTC did not give the missionary faith. The MTC told the missionary how to give a discussion and where to find the scriptures. But the discussions are well planned so there is little chance of making a mistake. What is missing is faith. The MTC said follow the profit that thinks God showed Big Pharma how to create satan juice and kill some of the people that take it. The MTC says listen to my lies that masks work and that you need satan's juice. That right there should have been enough for the missionary to say “Well you can keep your satanic mission. I will follow Christ instead.”

Then the missionary goes home, saves his money, and re-reads the Sermon on the Mount. S/he does as the sermon says and converts many people by example, without ever even trying and giving no planned discussions.

The non missionary then puts the sermon to practice in his daily life and becomes very successful. By seeking the Kingdom of God first. Marriage is a breeze, because both have similar goals. The children can see the wisdom in doing as their parents suggest and live happily ever after, also.

Then, having obtained all that he wanted, being full of joy, blessed with a wonderful family, he again gives thanks to God for showing him the sermon and not following a profit, that even though a world renowned doctor, was not smart enough to realize that masks do not work and the jab is evil.

Realizing that a true prophet would neither lie or lead one to hell, he followed only Christ, and followed no man.

[Subcomandante]

What if a missionary did as Jesus did?

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Not a church. Not a handbook. Forget the profit and follow Christ instead. That person, like Jesus is an example. A product of the product. Such a person emanates light. People automatically like this person because s/he is non judgmental. Watching such a person is a source of strength. It spells self confidence in letters ten feet tall. Why? Because...

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
When a missionary puts his/her faith in a profit, that puts his faith in a doctor, that puts his faith in a scientist, that puts his faith in Big Pharma, who puts its faith in the WEF, who puts its faith in satan, the missionary is in fact a disciple of satan, even if unknowingly.

It takes quite a bit of faith to pursue spiritual excellence while leaving the necessities of life to the laws of the universe.

Some missionaries obtain a 2 year vacation with all expenses paid. Sometimes to exotic places around the world. All they have to do is bring people to Christ. Pretty tough job if their faith is in a fake godsend. How can a prospect believe what the missionary professes to believe if the missionary does not actually believe what s/he professes to believe?

The MTC did not give the missionary faith. The MTC told the missionary how to give a discussion and where to find the scriptures. But the discussions are well planned so there is little chance of making a mistake. What is missing is faith. The MTC said follow the profit that thinks God showed Big Pharma how to create satan juice and kill some of the people that take it. The MTC says listen to my lies that masks work and that you need satan's juice. That right there should have been enough for the missionary to say “Well you can keep your satanic mission. I will follow Christ instead.”

Then the missionary goes home, saves his money, and re-reads the Sermon on the Mount. S/he does as the sermon says and converts many people by example, without ever even trying and giving no planned discussions.

The non missionary then puts the sermon to practice in his daily life and becomes very successful. By seeking the Kingdom of God first. Marriage is a breeze, because both have similar goals. The children can see the wisdom in doing as their parents suggest and live happily ever after, also.

Then, having obtained all that he wanted, being full of joy, blessed with a wonderful family, he again gives thanks to God for showing him the sermon and not following a profit, that even though a world renowned doctor, was not smart enough to realize that masks do not work and the jab is evil.

Realizing that a true prophet would neither lie or lead one to hell, he followed only Christ, and followed no man.

Guess what?

The missionary does as Jesus did and Jesus would do.

He gets called to labor in a field that could be fairly close to home, or on the other side of the world.

He prepares himself or herself through obtaining the word before declaring it (D and C 11:21) LONG before he or she enters the MTC. At least, that's the ideal.

If he is called to learn a foreign language, oftentimes, he or she often starts preparing before he or she enters the MTC.

If the area where he or she is called to serve asks for a vaccination certificate for ANY disease, he or she gets vaccinated against that disease, because if they don't get that specific vaccination, they will be unable to serve in that land. Paraguay, for example, asks that people be vaccinated against the yellow fever. Other lands mandate the COVID shot before entering them. Others still will demand the COVID shot be taken before they are permitted to leave the land they are at. The Twelve Apostles selected by Christ, if they lived today, in order to fulfill their mission, would get the shot.

[tribrac]

Change the channel on this thread...

I am suspicious of this "random robbery".

The facts as I understand them : Happened to be Zone Conference, Held for an hour, abused the president, left with pocket cash.

Not a crime of opportunity. High risk, low reward. Lots of witnesses.

Did mission president forget to payoff the local mafia? Or did someone want to send a message to 50 North Temple?