Oaks goes full Communist

[Allison]

I immediately thought about Muslim genital mutilation of little girls, though y’all may be right that it was a reference to events and issues in today’s headlines. This would all be resolved if we could secure a transcript of the entire talk. I couldn’t find it on the first page of Duck Duck Go, but has anybody else come across it?

Would love to read the whole speech as presented.

As for genital mutilation of children though, would it be wrong for a state to intercede on behalf of the children?

[Lizzy60]

I immediately thought about Muslim genital mutilation of little girls, though y’all may be right that it was a reference to events and issues in today’s headlines. This would all be resolved if we could secure a transcript of the entire talk. I couldn’t find it on the first page of Duck Duck Go, but has anybody else come across it?

Would love to read the whole speech as presented.

As for genital mutilation of children though, would it be wrong for a state to intercede on behalf of the children?

It has popped up on Mormon Newsroom:

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... f-virginia

[alurker]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

[Subcomandante]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

It's called negotiation and compromise. But he also said, that the core doctrines can't and won't be touched.

[EvanLM]

I thought the parable of the watchman referred to the enemy that destroyed the fences and walls. Looks like the watchman is destroying them himself. He has neve taught freedom and I'm not sure why he was so supported years ago by this forum as being some citizen of constitutional freedoms. Look back at most of his speeches. They all lean towards liberalism in order to promote missionary work.

He is deluded by his own importance in the world. He has always sat on the fence of making some great impression on the world rather than being a man of God. He has presented several talks in GC that should have been directed towards the media and other politicians that made him and bednar mad when the media cornered both them in their own words. Made Bednar and Oaks look like fools. But we got the great pleasure of hearing about it in GC where no one could debate or embarass him and it wasn't even members who mocked his speech.

Again, look back on many talks. Many were to agrandize what was going on in his personal or other life.

Sorry, this is unrighteous dominion. . . when we undertake. . . to gratify our pride, our vain ambition. . .to exercise. . . compulsion (to compel or encourage). . . we have learned. . .as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose- he is an apostle and recognized and followed by many. The fact that he is an apostle compels many to follow him. He should be aware of that and careful but instead he has his own agenda and feels a need to speak it loudly, often and compel men. This is a follow me and do what I do scripture. You'll be saved if you just follow what I say and believe what I have presented. Basic requirements and mentally for unrighteous dominion.

Jacob 1:2 Now, my beloved brethren, I, Jacob, according to the RESPONSIBILITY which I am under to God to MAGNIFY MINE OFFICE with soberness and that I might rid my garments of your sins , I come up to the Temple this day that I might declare unto you the word of God.

correct definition of magnifying our office is that if we do not teach then the sins of the people are on our head. Even if Jacob is a perfect man then he can still be punished for the sins of the people. Most ancient kings were under this covenant. And to this day, I have never heard "magnifying your calling" defined correctly. Oh, it means to take cookies, oh it means to care, oh it means to visit twice a month and say hi in church. What baloney. It means that you will have the sins of those that you are set apart to teach upon your head if you mess with his calling of teaching.

We are in a test. We are accountable and our prophets are accountable for every word that comes out of their mouth--accountable to God. May God have mercy on these foolish men.

Young men and children are being killed by a biological weapon put into a trojan horse called a vaccine. Healthy young men and children--killed--heart problems. Many of our prophets remain 10 years behind. who is Oaks even speaking to since his speech is irrelevant in a day when we are living in a communist nation. Does he believe that Joke Biden is a president of a free country? Not!! Joke Biden and crew are a secret combination of communist thugs. Irrelevant speech for today.

[alurker]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

It's called negotiation and compromise. But he also said, that the core doctrines can't and won't be touched.

ROFLOL.

Yeah right, we already have openly homosexual missionaries serving. Dream on.

[EvanLM]

Does Oaks presume to overide scriptures that have ben around for years? The core doctrines and principles have already been touched, samizdat. Head in the sand members. All is well in Zion.

In the last days, don't worry cuz everything Isaiah said and Daniel and Ezekial and John and many other prophets said and recorded are just words. We (the 15) are here now and we won't let anything bad happen to you. Bwahahaha. Churches closed, Temples closed, no pageants, no scouts, missionaries sent home, lawsuits galore, fear of the media, jobs lost, family members dead, confusion and contention caused in the congregations,. . .oh but we've overcome that you say. . . what distant world does this church live in? constant denial because you are not ready. all of the prophets' (all 15) prayers will NOT stop what will happen now, they cannot pray it away. This time frame was set long time ago by our God. When will my fellow saints and prophets get out of denial?

I know I am to live in this day because of my patriarchal blessing. but, I never thought I would see MOST of this church members and leaders in denial about it. Denial, with the exception of a few. How can we prepare if we are in denial?

[4Joshua8]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

It's called negotiation and compromise. But he also said, that the core doctrines can't and won't be touched.

Does anybody know what they consider core doctrines at this point? I don't. Are they talking about the core of the core, namely Jesus Christ, that He lived and died and resurrected on the third day? That alone? I mean, what are they talking about?

Do you know?

[alurker]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

It's called negotiation and compromise. But he also said, that the core doctrines can't and won't be touched.

How is it going to look when YOUR child is abused or convinced of LGBTQISM because of their companion.

What a bunch of wicked men, encouraging young people to serve with open homosexual.

[alurker]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

It's called negotiation and compromise. But he also said, that the core doctrines can't and won't be touched.

Does anybody know what they consider core doctrines at this point? I don't. Are they talking about the core of the core, namely Jesus Christ, that He lived and died and resurrected on the third day? That alone? I mean, what are they talking about?

Do you know?

It's whatever they say it is, here today gone tomorrow.

[EvanLM]

lurker, thank you for honesty. . .we have a hard time in this church because we think that the scriptures are talking about nonmembers as the gentiles. No!!!!! We are the gentiles, we are the church that goes into apostasy because of the wickedness in the church.

Many saints are saved because of their willingness to repent. Can't repent if you don't think you are sinning. Again, many saints are saved, but not the church as a whole.

[EvanLM]

here's one core doctrine that has changed. They teach that we will all be saved if we are members of the church. Wrong! They teach that the Lord loves no matter what. they teach that it is ok to go on a mission or serve in the church even if you are committing sin, by avoiding the teaching of repentance. Check out the BofM scriptures that refer to Christ's appearance. Those were the righteous people that were saved and they were still commanded right away by the Lord to repent. Why? Because in order for the Lord to be with them then he gave them some time to purify themselves and it may have been days or weeks or months when he appeared to them again to give them blessings.

Another doctrine is that we don't have to be perfect. Well, I guess that depends . . as the hatter said in Alice and wonderland . . .and as Monson said. . on where you are going. Yes, you do have to be perfect to go to the highest kingdom.

They teach that we are weak and should give ourselves a pass. Christ and his apostles taught that we could live a celestial law on this earth. Enoch taught that we could live the celestial law and his city was translated, women, children, men-----all translated. Sometimes our church teaches that only men will be translated. Woof!

I don't want to go on. . .we have gone astray and led by our leaders and GC talks. My patriarchal blessing says I will be translated, live to the full measure of my creation, every organ in my body will work to normal capacity, the snares of satan will be removed from my feet, etc. If I believed all that these men teach, then I will never have the faith that I need to finish this race.

Time to build Zion. So many distractions.

[BeNotDeceived]

here's one core doctrine that has changed. They teach that we will all be saved if we are members of the church. Wrong! They teach that the Lord loves no matter what. they teach that it is ok to go on a mission or serve in the church even if you are committing sin, by avoiding the teaching of repentance. Check out the BofM scriptures that refer to Christ's appearance. Those were the righteous people that were saved and they were still commanded right away by the Lord to repent. Why? Because in order for the Lord to be with them then he gave them some time to purify themselves and it may have been days or weeks or months when he appeared to them again to give them blessings.

Another doctrine is that we don't have to be perfect. Well, I guess that depends . . as the hatter said in Alice and wonderland . . .and as Monson said. . on where you are going. Yes, you do have to be perfect to go to the highest kingdom.

They teach that we are weak and should give ourselves a pass. Christ and his apostles taught that we could live a celestial law on this earth. Enoch taught that we could live the celestial law and his city was translated, women, children, men-----all translated. Sometimes our church teaches that only men will be translated. Woof!

I don't want to go on. . .we have gone astray and led by our leaders and GC talks. My patriarchal blessing says I will be translated, live to the full measure of my creation, every organ in my body will work to normal capacity, the snares of satan will be removed from my feet, etc. If I believed all that these men teach, then I will never have the faith that I need to finish this race.

Time to build Zion. So many distractions.

Couple-three years.

[Allison]

It has popped up on Mormon Newsroom:

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... f-virginia

Having read the talk now, I didn’t get anything out of it that so many are claiming here, such as a veiled support for vaccine mandates, or promoting the abandonment of our God-given rights. He taught the principle of trying to work out differences out extrajudicially. If anything, he talked so much about nondiscrimination that I kept applying that principle in my mind to antivaxxers, and the gross discrimination that is heading for us like a freight train.

If the Church should ever give any of us a hard time for being unvaccinated, this talk is rich in quotes that will be very helpful for us.

I felt a very sweet spirit reading that talk, keeping all he said and was trying to convey in context.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Having read the talk now, I didn’t get anything out of it that so many are claiming here, such as a veiled support for vaccine mandates

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=63910

[Sunain]

Why do you let these guys take up space in your heads? Why does anyone care what Oaks, Rusty or Bednar believe or say? And the only reason they care is so that these sycophants can quote one another in order to gain popularity points among the "brethren." Seriously, if they ceased to exist would your life change much?

Because it's all about being temple worthy. To pass the current temple recommend, you have to be able to sustain all leaders of the church. It's one of the questions. If you can't agree with how they are currently running the church, or their opinions, then you can't pass the temple recommend interview.

The questions changed in 2020: https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... ame=GLOB88

4. Do you sustain the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local leaders of the Church?

Sustaining President Oaks is a temple recommend worthiness question.

The church is showing more than ever that they intend to be apart of UN agenda 2030.

[BeNotDeceived]

Why do you let these guys take up space in your heads? Why does anyone care what Oaks, Rusty or Bednar believe or say? And the only reason they care is so that these sycophants can quote one another in order to gain popularity points among the "brethren." Seriously, if they ceased to exist would your life change much?

Because it's all about being temple worthy. To pass the current temple recommend, you have to be able to sustain all leaders of the church. It's one of the questions. If you can't agree with how they are currently running the church, or their opinions, then you can't pass the temple recommend interview.

The questions changed in 2020: https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... ame=GLOB88

4. Do you sustain the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local leaders of the Church?

Sustaining President Oaks is a temple recommend worthiness question.

The church is showing more than ever that they intend to be apart of UN agenda 2030.

2 : to supply with sustenance : NOURISH

Surely I will nourish them with truths such that are written by authors such as Taylor Drake and others. And/or truths observable by searching 38ii.

[Aprhys]

Why do you let these guys take up space in your heads? Why does anyone care what Oaks, Rusty or Bednar believe or say? And the only reason they care is so that these sycophants can quote one another in order to gain popularity points among the "brethren." Seriously, if they ceased to exist would your life change much?

Because it's all about being temple worthy. To pass the current temple recommend, you have to be able to sustain all leaders of the church. It's one of the questions. If you can't agree with how they are currently running the church, or their opinions, then you can't pass the temple recommend interview.

The questions changed in 2020: https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... ame=GLOB88

4. Do you sustain the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local leaders of the Church?

Sustaining President Oaks is a temple recommend worthiness question.

The church is showing more than ever that they intend to be apart of UN agenda 2030.

So if you don't sustain him then you can't go to the temple. If you don't sustain him then why would you give much credence to what he has to say? I imagine there will come a time when you will have to either hold on to the iron rod or enter the great and spacious building (temple.) Those who hold on to the eternal truths of God and reject the incorrect teaching and beliefs of the church won't be able to enter the temple. You will be mocked by the "righteous," members who choose to follow the false prophets. I see nothing wrong with following your own self and rejecting the apostasy of modern leaders. Is it worth it to lie and say you follow them in order to enter the temple. Which by the way is completely unnecessary to gain salvation.

[EvanLM]

benotde, I think you convinced me a few years ago that about 2024. . .I still think that. I didn't get the vax. Many of my friends didn't either but they claim that they follow the prophet. I'm not sure what the sign would be of following the prophet. I do follow Christ. Those who do not apostatize will take the covenant to the House of Israel. I don't want to miss that opportunity.

Oaks was introduced to his wife by Marie Osmond, who is her very best friend. Oaks now lives with a very worldly woman but I'm sure it is not rubbing off on him. He probably doesn't need to impress any of her friends, either, ya know.

[EvanLM]

so, if I don't get the shot, then do I sustain him? I've raised my hand for prophets all my life. Sometimes, I lived in sin and sometimes not. Does that mean that I didn't support the prophet? I really want to be repentant when the Savior returns. I want to help him and his servant gather the House of Israel.

[h_p]

I think you guys are missing his points.

He is taking about LGBTQ+ issues and how wet have to effectively cave or give up some principles because we live in a pluralist society.

It's called negotiation and compromise. But he also said, that the core doctrines can't and won't be touched.

Maybe I'm confused, but what is left to negotiate or compromise on the LGBT front? They have won all the marbles. There is literally nothing they're prevented from doing, they have special laws carved out just for them, and even won the moral high ground in society now. They are officially the uncontested main stream. Their side dominates the media, the government, most religion, and arguably all major businesses in the country. They have an entire month devoted to their cause where everyone is bombarded with their propaganda. Literally the only thing being argued anymore is whether people still have the right to privately disagree with their position, and even with THAT, they're winning.

So, tell me: what exactly do we still need to compromise on?

[mahalanobis]

I had a chance to take a look at the talk. Oaks' address wasn't about communism. And the quoted line isn't the payload of the message.

My summary of what I saw is this:
* Oaks says religious freedom is good (implied context is traditional families)
* Oaks says nondiscrimination laws are good (implied context is gays and lesbians, I'll address this below)
* Oaks goes on for a long time and "strongly urges" certain behaviors and attitudes in order to keep both sides happy.
* Oaks urges people to settle disputes out of court <<<< (THIS IS FAR MORE TELLING, THAN THE QUOTE IN THE OP.).

My criticisms are:
* I can do without the vague platitudes and word salads
* I disagree with his premise about nondiscrimination laws. He is taking it as an axiomatic truth that nondiscrimination laws are good. But I disagree. Such laws are a major infringement on freedom of association. What right does the government have in making sure that market transactions do or don't consider the race or ethnicity or sexual orientation of those participating? That is not the government's job.

Is Oaks a communist? Maybe. But this address does not prove or disprove that.

[onefour1]

After reading through this blog, what stands out to me is that we are discussing the difference between individualism and collectivism. The Globalists very much support the idea of collectivism and believe that we should sacrifice our very God given individual freedoms for the good of the group.

Collectivism is a political theory associated with communism. More broadly, it is the idea that people should prioritize the good of society over the welfare of the individual.

The problem I see in the idea of all submitting to receiving the vaccine for the good of the entire group is that everyone does not agree with the supposition that the vaccine is safe and effective and alos there is good argument in opposition of this group think idea found amongst the population. So did the group as a bunch of individuals each come up with the idea that the vaccine was safe and effective or did only a few individuals come up with the idea and conned many to side with their idea? I would wager to bet that in a study of group tectonics that the majority of the group are ultimately duped by the few who wish to control a large population. How many of the group are really fully informed about all the facts regarding the vaccine? To say that the group should rule simply because they have a greater number is dangerous in my mind. I think our societal freedoms and structure should be based on the individual and not the group. I see the group idea as being something that is controlled by the few at the top of the group. A very dangerous idea. Just because someone is a leader of the group or has great authority over many people does not mean that their thoughts are always correct. Collectivism in my mind, is a means to obtain more control over the individual and a means of taking away more of their freedoms. I am completely opposed to collectivism. We should base our laws and freedoms on the individual because what is truly good for each individual will almost always be good for any group. If a politician considers what is good for each individual it will likely be the best thing for the group as a whole. If we truly had all the information about the vaccine, whether it truly was safe and effective, I believe all individuals would gladly submit to it. However, giving power to the group to force others to submit to what they do not have a full knowledge of can be a very dangerous idea. Who gets to decide what "safe and effective" criteria is for the group that will also be forced on the individual? The globalists love this idea because they see themselves as defining the groups and the criteria for what they determine to be the group policies.

I think Dallin H. Oaks may believe that those at the top are likely in the know of what is best for the underlings. I fear that kind of think. Only if they are receiving their info from God on all things would I trust the elites to make all the decisions for the individual. But I don't believe that the leaders of the church base every decision on direct revelation nor do I believe people like the CDC or any other governmental group receives direct revelation or has all the knowledge to make mandates and edicts. Thus, even in the case of revelation, it really comes down to personal revelation from God or personal belief whether the individual should follow or not. Its an individual thing and not a collectivist thing.

[Allison]

Having read the talk now, I didn’t get anything out of it that so many are claiming here, such as a veiled support for vaccine mandates

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=63910

Have you read the talk yet? He wasn’t talking about vaccines If anything it was about the clash between religious beliefs and discrimination about gays. Here is the complete sentence: “As advocates for religious freedom, we must yield to the fact that in a nation with citizens of many different religious beliefs or disbeliefs, the government must sometimes limit the right of some to act upon their beliefs when it is necessary to protect the health, safety and welfare of all.”

That sentence could apply to the clot shot, but it could also apply to genital mutilation of children, both in Muslim communities, as well as trans people. It could apply to a lot of things, and I am not sure that no one should intercede on behalf of children. And what about Satanists. Clearly, everyone cannot have unfettered religious liberty when some religious practices abridge the God-given rights of others.

[Alaris]

What? No.... Oaks goes full Communist.... Noooo.
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Well, Ok. Maybe.


Full on Communism to President Oaks. Eat up.