Oaks goes full Communist

[markharr]

The Book of Mormon actually gives us a pretty good definition of communism in priestcraft that is enforced by the sword .

“'Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion' (2 Nephi 26:29).

But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.

I'm sure that some of you will argue that Elder Oaks statement is priestcraft but he is not enforcing it with the sword nor is he advocating for it to be enforced with the sword

[truefreedom]

death by the sword ... or .... death by starvation?

[markharr]

I have explained the law of consecration to conservative non-members and was told that it was communism. Even after I explained that it is by choice.

Elder Oaks statement is not full communist because Elder Oaks isn't forcing you to live his point of view. He is asking you to consider it.

You are free to take it or leave it.

That's thing thing tho... What he is advocating for leaves people NOT free to take or leave it.
We are talking about laws here.....so......

Telling people what they can or cannot advocate for is communism.

[TrueFaith]

The Book of Mormon actually gives us a pretty good definition of communism in priestcraft that is enforced by the sword .

“'Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion' (2 Nephi 26:29).

But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.

I'm sure that some of you will argue that Elder Oaks statement is priestcraft but he is not enforcing it with the sword nor is he advocating for it to be enforced with the sword

He is doing the latter, obviously. He said freedom should be sacrificed for safety. That is obviously going to be enforced by "the sword", and IT IS, all over the world right now. People are being imprisoned, beaten, even murdered (depression, suicide, myocarditis, denied medical treatment, job loss, etc) against their will, without a jury, in the name of safety.

Elder Oaks is justifying all of the above in this speech. He doesn't spare one word defending anyone losing their rights and being tortured or killed. Awful.

[Mamabear]

The Book of Mormon actually gives us a pretty good definition of communism in priestcraft that is enforced by the sword .

“'Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion' (2 Nephi 26:29).

But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.

I'm sure that some of you will argue that Elder Oaks statement is priestcraft but he is not enforcing it with the sword nor is he advocating for it to be enforced with the sword

That’s like saying the Biden regime isn’t communist because they’re not enforcing things by the sword.

[markharr]

The Book of Mormon actually gives us a pretty good definition of communism in priestcraft that is enforced by the sword .

“'Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion' (2 Nephi 26:29).

But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.

I'm sure that some of you will argue that Elder Oaks statement is priestcraft but he is not enforcing it with the sword nor is he advocating for it to be enforced with the sword

That’s like saying the Biden regime isn’t communist because they’re not enforcing things by the sword.

But Biden is enforcing it with the sword. They raided James O'Keeffe house the other day. I'm sure the raiding agents had guns

[Mamabear]

The Book of Mormon actually gives us a pretty good definition of communism in priestcraft that is enforced by the sword .

“'Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion' (2 Nephi 26:29).

But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.

I'm sure that some of you will argue that Elder Oaks statement is priestcraft but he is not enforcing it with the sword nor is he advocating for it to be enforced with the sword

That’s like saying the Biden regime isn’t communist because they’re not enforcing things by the sword.

But Biden is enforcing it with the sword. They raided James O'Keeffe house the other day. I'm sure the raiding agents had guns

Ok. Well again, anyone advocating for this garbage - that safety is more important than individual rights- supports communism. That’s my point. I don’t care if you’re holding a gun or not.
I tried to make this point last year in my ward.There is no way that a person or organization can keep everyone safe. It’s impossible. But it’s being done because everyone wants government and church leaders to keep them safe. It’s turned into a power trip. Amen to priesthood holders and others who try to force people to follow the prophet. In our stake right now, you have to wear a mask if you serve in the stake or in the bishopric to show obedience to the prophet. How twisted is that? I don’t recognize my church anymore. Fear is worshipped over faith and freedom of choice.

[Mamabear]

What do you think this means?

“This requires us to accept some laws we dislike, and to live peacefully with some persons whose values differ from our own. Amid such inevitable differences, we should make every effort to understand the experiences and concerns of others, especially when they differ from our own.”

Why do I feel like he’s preaching to the choir with the above statement?

And what does this mean?
“A basic step is to avoid labeling our adversaries with epithets such as “godless” or “bigots.” As the Deseret News, a paper published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, editorialized:

Conflicts between religious liberty and nondiscrimination principles are exacerbated when advocates for nondiscrimination paint people of faith as bigots, and when people of faith fail to appreciate the brutal history of the basic human rights of marginalized groups, such as gays and lesbians.”

[EmmaLee]

“But even though the First Amendment obviously guarantees the right to exercise or practice religious beliefs and affiliations, that right is not absolute. As advocates for religious freedom, we must yield to the fact that in a nation with citizens of many different religious beliefs or disbeliefs, the government must sometimes limit the right of some to act upon their beliefs when it is necessary to protect the health, safety and welfare of all.“

Our rights come from GOD, not the government - therefore, the government cannot legally or morally take them away or "limit" them. This is basic. That the next president of the Corporation Church is preaching and advocating the opposite of what is legal, moral, and constitutional, is more than a little disturbing. Hope everyone is mentally and spiritually prepared for what's coming.

[mahalanobis]

I've been saying for months now that when vax passports (not just mandates) become mainstream and forced upon us, that the church leadership will endorse it. This is just more evidence that my prediction was/is correct.

How did I know? Because they had many PERFECT windows of opportunity to say "vax=good, mandates=bad", but they didn't. NOTE: I'm not saying vax=good, rather that they could have said that. They are trying to appear moderate and middle ground, but they've gone full throttle to one side.

[markharr]

The subject of this thread was an accusation that Oaks has gone full communist. I am against the vaccine, the vaccine mandate and church policies regarding the vaccine.

Elder Oaks statement is not communist. What is more communist is this notion that Elder Oaks cannot express his beliefs.

[Mamabear]

Another disturbing quote:
“Another basic imperative is that we should not seek total dominance for our own position; we should seek fairness for all.”

Yes we should not seek dominance, but fairness for all doesn’t exist. It never will in this life. In fact fairness is an unstable principle for any person or group. My momma taught me life isn’t fair. She was right.

[Mamabear]

The subject of this thread was an accusation that Oaks has gone full communist. I am against the vaccine, the vaccine mandate and church policies regarding the vaccine.

Elder Oaks statement is not communist. What is more communist is this notion that Elder Oaks cannot express his beliefs.

He can express his beliefs 100%. As a matter of fact, I’m glad he did. He finally showed his cards. He was fooling a lot of people up to this point. Now the cat’s out of the bag.

[TrueFaith]

Another disturbing quote:
“Another basic imperative is that we should not seek total dominance for our own position; we should seek fairness for all.”

Yes we should not seek dominance, but fairness for all doesn’t exist. It never will in this life. In fact fairness is an unstable principle for any person or group. My momma taught me life isn’t fair. She was right.

Since all human beings are different, some are more determined and more capable than others, the only way you can achieve fairness for all is by force. This is the basis of Communism. Those saying otherwise clearly have an agenda to deceive.

By the way, "not seeking total dominance of our own position" is another way of saying the the LDS church is NOT the only true church.

[Chip]

But, about communism, the only effect is to empower a small minority who have carte blanche to do whatever they want, while everybody else subsists, barely. It's never, as advertised, a utopia of fairness. It always becomes mass murder. Well, we all know this.

[EmmaLee]

Another disturbing quote:
“Another basic imperative is that we should not seek total dominance for our own position; we should seek fairness for all.”

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[Lineman1012]

Another disturbing quote:
“Another basic imperative is that we should not seek total dominance for our own position; we should seek fairness for all.”

Yes we should not seek dominance, but fairness for all doesn’t exist. It never will in this life. In fact fairness is an unstable principle for any person or group. My momma taught me life isn’t fair. She was right.

“Fairness” coming from a supposed constitutional lawyer. He should know that the best place to get fairness is here in the United States of America. If he wants fairness why isn’t he emphasizing the constitution? Strengthen the constitution and you will enable the most freedom.

We don’t have to worry about losing our religious freedoms, as long as we uphold the constitution, because the USA is a Christian country, based on Christian values. This country is wholly unfit for any other belief system.

So if DHO is out there supporting down grading our freedoms and for the enabling of other people’s religious beliefs, he is in essence calling for the destruction of our country’s constitution.

Words used such as “fairness”, as if the constitution isn’t fair enough, is a sure sign that he’s pushing the communist agenda.

[Chip]

Another disturbing quote:
“Another basic imperative is that we should not seek total dominance for our own position; we should seek fairness for all.”

Oaks is onto something here. If we could encourage everyone to become fair and delightsome, these misanthropic souls would cease to be full of idleness and all manner of abominations. Who wouldn't like to see that happen?

[dreamtheater76]

Things will come around again but only after things get really bad and members of the church can't take it anymore. My grandparents lived through the great depression and WWII which resulted in the John Birch Society when church leaders for the most part were awakened to our awful situation.

Even J. Reuben Clark was in the dark until he was in the belly of the beast. Same could be said about Ezra Taft Benson and W. Cleon Skousen.

Only after hell breaks loose do members and leaders wake up to government conspiracy and the dangerous threat of communism/socialism.

I can only think of a couple of times in history when a great awakening happened and members and leaders for the most part moved back into Constitutional principles. But it's temporary. Early church and post WWII come to mind.

Pre WWI the church was moving towards socialism and were strong in support for Teddy Roosevelt and Progressivism. The great depression happened and WWII and then both leaders and members woke up resulting in the John Birch Society and our leaders warning us constantly of the dangers of big government,socialism/communism, and what would result in Satans government known as the NWO. Joseph Fielding Smith referered to it as a government of nations.

Today we have KSL Communist brainwashing and currupt political leaders like the Romney's, Huntsman's, Levitt's, Herbert, Cox, etc. This is a result of the anti-JBS fake conservative movement courtesy of Skull and Bones neo-cons like William F. Buckley, the Bushes, Rockefellers, ect who are no better than if not far worse than the Democrats.
Constitutional conservatism is not the norm and people like a lot of us get called kooks by national syndicated conservative talk radio.

Most people subscribe to this type of fake conservatism which works hand in hand with the globalist agenda which the Democrats are clearly working with. The Bush dynasty was the NWO 100% but most people went along with the Patriot Act and would scream at you that Bush(Jr) kept us safe. That you are a terrorist and a conspiracy theorist if you opposed the wars or questioned the 9-11 narrative.

This is where we are now. Too many members and leaders going along with the hate and lies of KSL/Mainstream Media telling people to wear a mask and get the shot. Now it's risk your childrens lives to get the shot.

Members and leaders are not going to wake up again until countless numbers of people die from the shot and we live in a once great nation that has turned into a hellhole that makes the great depression not look so bad.

What you are saying about Oaks is where to many members and leaders of the church are at right now. Until the fan hits the ceiling don't expect things to get any better. History will repeat itself.

One day KSL will be seen as the great embarrassment and propaganda machine that it is.
Things would be much better right now if we had a Constitutional alternative.
This is why the Book of Mormon was written for our day. It tells us to awake to our awful situation because people are going to be asleep.

[Aprhys]

Why do you let these guys take up space in your heads? Why does anyone care what Oaks, Rusty or Bednar believe or say? These guys are more irrelevant to anything than the Minister of Interior of Ghana. No one outside of the church cares one bit what Oaks believe or says. Hardly anyone outside the church even knows who any of these guys are. The church could turn full communist or fascist-anarchist and it wouldn't make any difference for anyone who lives beyond the borders or Utah/Idaho. Most of the church doesn't even pay attention to anything these corrupt businessmen turned religious leaders say for more than three days after General Conference. Honestly, without pulling out an Ensign or LDS.com can you tell me what anyone from Rustyco LLC said in the last conference? The only people who care what the church leaders say is the other church leaders. And the only reason they care is so that these sycophants can quote one another in order to gain popularity points among the "brethren." Seriously, if they ceased to exist would your life change much?

[Sirocco]

“But even though the First Amendment obviously guarantees the right to exercise or practice religious beliefs and affiliations, that right is not absolute. As advocates for religious freedom, we must yield to the fact that in a nation with citizens of many different religious beliefs or disbeliefs, the government must sometimes limit the right of some to act upon their beliefs when it is necessary to protect the health, safety and welfare of all.“
Hmmmm?!

At no point will I ever support the government limiting my freedoms.
I am sickened at any suggestion I yield.

[kittycat51]

Things will come around again but only after things get really bad and members of the church can't take it anymore. My grandparents lived through the great depression and WWII which resulted in the John Birch Society when church leaders for the most part were awakened to our awful situation.

Even J. Reuben Clark was in the dark until he was in the belly of the beast. Same could be said about Ezra Taft Benson and W. Cleon Skousen.

Only after hell breaks loose do members and leaders wake up to government conspiracy and the dangerous threat of communism/socialism.

I can only think of a couple of times in history when a great awakening happened and members and leaders for the most part moved back into Constitutional principles. But it's temporary. Early church and post WWII come to mind.

Pre WWI the church was moving towards socialism and were strong in support for Teddy Roosevelt and Progressivism. The great depression happened and WWII and then both leaders and members woke up resulting in the John Birch Society and our leaders warning us constantly of the dangers of big government,socialism/communism, and what would result in Satans government known as the NWO. Joseph Fielding Smith referered to it as a government of nations.

Today we have KSL Communist brainwashing and currupt political leaders like the Romney's, Huntsman's, Levitt's, Herbert, Cox, etc. This is a result of the anti-JBS fake conservative movement courtesy of Skull and Bones neo-cons like William F. Buckley, the Bushes, Rockefellers, ect who are no better than if not far worse than the Democrats.
Constitutional conservatism is not the norm and people like a lot of us get called kooks by national syndicated conservative talk radio.

Most people subscribe to this type of fake conservatism which works hand in hand with the globalist agenda which the Democrats are clearly working with. The Bush dynasty was the NWO 100% but most people went along with the Patriot Act and would scream at you that Bush(Jr) kept us safe. That you are a terrorist and a conspiracy theorist if you opposed the wars or questioned the 9-11 narrative.

This is where we are now. Too many members and leaders going along with the hate and lies of KSL/Mainstream Media telling people to wear a mask and get the shot. Now it's risk your childrens lives to get the shot.

Members and leaders are not going to wake up again until countless numbers of people die from the shot and we live in a once great nation that has turned into a hellhole that makes the great depression not look so bad.

What you are saying about Oaks is where to many members and leaders of the church are at right now. Until the fan hits the ceiling don't expect things to get any better. History will repeat itself.

One day KSL will be seen as the great embarrassment and propaganda machine that it is.
Things would be much better right now if we had a Constitutional alternative.
This is why the Book of Mormon was written for our day. It tells us to awake to our awful situation because people are going to be asleep.

Glad to see someone else see KSL for what it is. I had to finally cut them off of my reading list after the 2020 elections.

[TrueFaith]

Why do you let these guys take up space in your heads? Why does anyone care what Oaks, Rusty or Bednar believe or say? These guys are more irrelevant to anything than the Minister of Interior of Ghana. No one outside of the church cares one bit what Oaks believe or says. Hardly anyone outside the church even knows who any of these guys are. The church could turn full communist or fascist-anarchist and it wouldn't make any difference for anyone who lives beyond the borders or Utah/Idaho. Most of the church doesn't even pay attention to anything these corrupt businessmen turned religious leaders say for more than three days after General Conference. Honestly, without pulling out an Ensign or LDS.com can you tell me what anyone from Rustyco LLC said in the last conference? The only people who care what the church leaders say is the other church leaders. And the only reason they care is so that these sycophants can quote one another in order to gain popularity points among the "brethren." Seriously, if they ceased to exist would your life change much?

Because we've been commanded to pay attention.

"Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up." Ether 8:24

Watch this video. Tim Pool is especially passionate about describing precisely what is going on in this country right now. Starting about 2min in, he is describing people exactly like Dallin Oaks.

We cannot ignore speeches like this from any leader, including religious leaders. This is abhorrent and Elder Oaks should be ashamed of himself. All of us must start taking a hard stand against this bull sh.it. I mean it. We are being enslaved right now. All of us will become a part of the consequences that are coming if we don't put a stop to it.

This is a full authoritatian, Bolshevik takeover that we are living through. We are living through history. When the dust settles, which side are we going to be found on? Time to choose right now.

[The Red Pill]

One BIG problem with the church, as a larger organization, is that it has turned into one BIG progressive MONOLITHIC BLOCK of thinking.

Every facit has been infiltrated and taken over by the progressive left....even if they call themselves Republicans.

Media.........progressive left (KSL, Bonneville)
Academic...progressive left (Daniel Peterson types)
Political......progressive left (Romney, Cox types)
Ecclesiastical.....progressive left (Q15)
Business.....progressive left (too many to mention)

So...I honestly don't forsee a change of course, given the monolithic echo chamber it operates in.

I used to wonder why the church did not call Romney....and reign him in...I now believe he is their spokesperson.

All is well in Zion, Zion prosperith.......

[1775peasant]

Youngkin is not a "turn around"......he's a CFR member, CEO of the Carlyle Group.........

nothing in Va will change other than all the noise over the School boards in N Va will cease, cause now "our guy" will overturn all that mess........nothing will change other than the rate of speed, it's slows slightly......

Youngkin, Sears & Miyaras where selected, not elected.......just more scam pulled on the "conservatives"


didn't know Pool was also a Con-Con proponent, he certainly is being handled