....world hunger could be solved entirely by using only the interest on the church’s investments.

[TruthSeeker77]

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commenta ... could-lds/

[4Joshua8]

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commenta ... could-lds/

He asks some fair questions.

[EvanLM]

seems so simple . . .what happened to our right to speak to our leaders and encourage this type of charity? When did the leaders become so numb to our pleadings as members to help our fellow man? We will pay for our lack of charity. Our leaders will be accountable to God. But I have seen it taught through ss and rs and even gc that we have plenty to help people. Then open the gates and flood the poor with our abundance.

[markharr]

Using BS math. They tried this with Elon Musk.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/01/elon-mu ... unger.html

[Lizzy60]

People have told me that if we offered to feed all the poor members, some others would join the church just for the free food — said as though this would be a negative outcome.

On the other hand, I read about a group that was providing help in gardening, digging wells, bringing in donations for food and medicine for poor third-world communities, and even though they were not teaching or preaching their Christian beliefs, the people who were being helped almost demanded to be taught about Christ, and many were converted.

The Lord has told me very clearly how He feels about how the LDS Church uses their money.

[markharr]

World hunger is intentionally created by the policies of evil governments. We are starting to see it in the United States.

No amount of money will fix world hunger until that is solved.

[Serragon]

A very small percentage of the income of US Citizens was going to solve hunger and poverty in the US back in the 60s. We now spend may times more on these issues and have worse problems than ever.

The issue with hunger and poverty today is not lack of money. It is corrupt governments who limit freedom and use the money taxed or gifted to create programs that keep the poor in a perpetual cycle of dependence.

[markharr]

It's always billionaires who aren't part of their club that they target. Nobody asks a Rockefeller, or Rothschild to give up their billions

[Subcomandante]

Using BS math. They tried this with Elon Musk.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/01/elon-mu ... unger.html

Yup.

And when Elon called them out on it, they quieted down all of a sudden.

[4Joshua8]

It's always billionaires who aren't part of their club that they target. Nobody asks a Rockefeller, or Rothschild to give up their billions

It would be a great privilege and an honor to give up many billions per year to help solve world hunger.

The only thing I would insist on is that we don't do it through the UN. The church needs to do it its own way, not through Babylon's institutions. As much of the gentile world shuts down to interest in proselyting, member missionaries could be "repurposed" and organized by the tens of thousands to, on a full-time status, solve world hunger and nakedness. This would be a phenomenal mission.

[Subcomandante]

Let me tell you a story about a country.

No.

Many countries.

Once upon a time, a country was producing an amount of wealth that caused envy around the entire region, however, the wealth of the people was seen by many as unequal. Some people became very rich, others more or less so, and other were very poor.

An agitator from among the poor people (who really was rich, but only appeared to be poor), starts agonizing the people telling them that the actual government is keeping them down, and when elected, he will cause the poor to rise up to riches and glory. This will be done by subsidizing different programs and the rich are going to pay for it.

The person is elected. Times are really good because the main cash crop of the country is quite expensive in the marketplace, so monies are made quite readily and the taxes the rich pay in "solidarity" with the poor are quite low. But there's a crisis and that cash crop fails to respond. In order for the poor people not to rise up in anger against the rulers, heavier taxes are laid on the rich and the government seizes assets meant for the private sector. But the rich and the private sector, reading the tea leaves, have the means to abandon the country and set off for greener pastures, leaving only the unproductive behind. The economy falls further as now the poor people have to pay the taxes to receive their subsidies. But now the poor people are unable to leave the country because they lack the means to do so, and they fret at the lack of ability of the government to help them out.

All the while, the government blames outside forces as well as the upper class and previous leaders for the current disasters.

This is the history of several countries in South America. Argentina was ahead of the curve. Then followed Cuba, Venezuela, and now Mexico, Colombia, Peru, and Chile. This is the history that has just started to be played in the United States.

[mahalanobis]

"The fact that X person has Y dollars and there are Z starving children that exist in the world... means that said person is evil."

I get so tired of this.

If you want to criticize an organization for mismanagement of resources, have at it. But do it with good arguments please.

[Serragon]

It's always billionaires who aren't part of their club that they target. Nobody asks a Rockefeller, or Rothschild to give up their billions

It would be a great privilege and an honor to give up many billions per year to help solve world hunger.

The only thing I would insist on is that we don't do it through the UN. The church needs to do it its own way, not through Babylon's institutions. As much of the gentile world shuts down to interest in proselyting, member missionaries could be organized by the tens of thousands to, on a full-time status, solve world hunger and nakedness. This would be a phenomenal mission.

You can never solve world hunger. World hunger is an abstract idea and has no real meaning. A starving person in LA has almost nothing to do with a starving person in Ethiopia. The only way to "solve" hunger is on an individual basis. You have to know why someone is starving before you possibly craft a solution.

Thinking about things on a global, abstract scale is a trick of the collectivists. People are starving around the world and you aren't starving. They lead you to believe that you should feel guilty about this fact and that you are somehow somewhat responsible because you have property. But there is a way to redemption. You just need to give your property to them and they will make things right. Guilt gone. Now you can be self-righteous like them because you are now part of the solution instead of the problem. You have also given up some more of your independence and individuality to the collective.

We should all be charitable on an individual basis and help our fellow man. Using missionaries to help build infrastructure in places it is needed is a good idea, though you have to understand that it is often temporary as the governments in the area often take control and monetize or destroy this infrastructure. But "world hunger" isn't real, and so can never be solved. It is a con.

[4Joshua8]

It's always billionaires who aren't part of their club that they target. Nobody asks a Rockefeller, or Rothschild to give up their billions

It would be a great privilege and an honor to give up many billions per year to help solve world hunger.

The only thing I would insist on is that we don't do it through the UN. The church needs to do it its own way, not through Babylon's institutions. As much of the gentile world shuts down to interest in proselyting, member missionaries could be organized by the tens of thousands to, on a full-time status, solve world hunger and nakedness. This would be a phenomenal mission.

You can never solve world hunger. World hunger is an abstract idea and has no real meaning. A starving person in LA has almost nothing to do with a starving person in Ethiopia. The only way to "solve" hunger is on an individual basis. You have to know why someone is starving before you possibly craft a solution.

Thinking about things on a global, abstract scale is a trick of the collectivists. People are starving around the world and you aren't starving. They lead you to believe that you should feel guilty about this fact and that you are somehow somewhat responsible because you have property. But there is a way to redemption. You just need to give your property to them and they will make things right. Guilt gone. Now you can be self-righteous like them because you are now part of the solution instead of the problem. You have also given up some more of your independence and individuality to the collective.

We should all be charitable on an individual basis and help our fellow man. Using missionaries to help build infrastructure in places it is needed is a good idea, though you have to understand that it is often temporary as the governments in the area often take control and monetize or destroy this infrastructure. But "world hunger" isn't real, and so can never be solved. It is a con.

Semantics aside, there are millions starving all across the globe. Individual charity is good and right, but not to the exclusion of group projects. There's not a good/evil battle between a group giving charity and an individual in the manner of charity I'm thinking of. I do not advocate for taking part in the world's con (hence, what I said about not doing it with Babylon's institutions), but we have to see through the con right into the fact that there really are millions starving because of evil pricks who prey on the world.

I'm advocating for a different way. Not the world's way. Obviously. As I stated in my post. "The only thing I would insist on is that we don't do it through the UN. The church needs to do it its own way, not through Babylon's institutions."

[BeNotDeceived]

Using BS math. They tried this with Elon Musk.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/01/elon-mu ... unger.html

If used to develop OTEC, then all the world would be fed, and energized too.

[markharr]

The church cannot solve world hunger. It can only solve hunger on a temporary basis. The same goes for Elon Musk and anyone else. They don't even really want to solve world hunger because the problem gets them what they want. The solution does not.

We as a people can solve world hunger by building Zion.

[4Joshua8]

The church cannot solve world hunger. It can only solve hunger on a temporary basis. The same goes for Elon Musk and anyone else. They don't even really want to solve world hunger because the problem gets them what they want. The solution does not.

We as a people can solve world hunger by building Zion.

I agree that building Zion is the best way. Maybe the only way.

[markharr]

Salt lake Tribune owner Paul Huntsman could always give up his wealth to solve world hunger.

There is nothing stopping him.

[1775peasant]

perhaps some know,most don’t…..but the US time & time again has crushed a domestic grain market in say Ethiopia, Bangladesh….etc…..all for geo-political purposes……farmers in those nations worked & produced domestic crops to the point where a viable market begins to take form…..and just as they are getting a footing, the US comes in via the (CCC) Commodity Credit Corporation, and drops a “humanitarian aid” gift of usually some class of wheat, which in turn floods that domestic market with grain, destroying the local market price and bankrupts the farmers & others involved…….and in short order that area once again becomes grain deficit not being able to feed it’s people nor animals…..

in ‘81, Reagan’s appointed Sec of Ag John Block in a Congressional hearing made the statement……that US produced grains, feed & feed products where the US’s greatest weapons against their enemies & allies

like others have said, starving people in the world today is a deliberate construct…..

just recall the bombing of Lebanon’s domestic grain storage facility over a year ago now……

[mahalanobis]

The people most vocal about saving all the children have a terrible track record of murdering millions. The systems that have come closest to eradicating world hunger are the ones that provide for individual freedoms, free marketplaces, and do their best to hold government power structures accountable. It's not perfect, but it's done a hell of a lot better job than socialism has.

This is a pattern that never ends. You see the same thing with satan. "Give me all the power and everyone will be saved". And in the end he's partially responsible for the spiritual murder of billions. And what does the Lord say: "Force no man to heaven", "Let them choose", and he endorses the constitutional form of government and individual charity. When He told the rich young ruler to give all his money to the poor, would it have solved poverty? No. The idea being that purging oneself of riches and embracing the path of temporal uncertainty to follow Christ - requires faith. THAT is the thing that the rich ruler lacked, which has nothing to do with solving poverty.

If you want to make a case against the church's wealth, make the case that it needs to purge itself of the "risk minimization" strategy. This would include burning all its riches on the altar of sacrifice and embracing the uncertain path of discipleship in faith. Don't waste your breath using satan's arguments against the church. Such arguments are steeped in envy and bitterness and you'll eventually regret it because it's not spiritually healthy.

[Fred]

A very small percentage of the income of US Citizens was going to solve hunger and poverty in the US back in the 60s. We now spend may times more on these issues and have worse problems than ever.

The issue with hunger and poverty today is not lack of money. It is corrupt governments who limit freedom and use the money taxed or gifted to create programs that keep the poor in a perpetual cycle of dependence.

Same with education. The more you spend, the worse it gets.

[farmerchick]

It all comes down to this....give a man a fish...he eats for a day....teach a man to fish he can feed himself for a lifetime. The idea that anyone can solve the worlds hunger is ridiculous.....corrupt political forces are causing people in some places to starve and in the United states we have the opposite problem. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a store check out line behind someone who easily weighs three hundred plus pounds leaning on a heaping cart full of junk food and sometimes two heaping carts...of course they are paying with food stamps.........what is the answer? More corruption and dollars???? Maybe less dollars and less corruption and more teaching correct principles would make a difference......obesity in the US is obscene......throwing more money at it just brings in the corrupt officials who skim off the top and little changes....addicts go to the Indian casinos here and somehow trade food stamp cards for money....North Korea is starving to death while the leaders skim all the cream.....which is also obscene.....government creates the problem and proposed a worse solution....over and over again.....all in the name of Compassion....

[BeNotDeceived]

It all comes down to this....give a man a fish...he eats for a day....teach a man to fish he can feed himself for a lifetime. The idea that anyone can solve the worlds hunger is ridiculous.....corrupt political forces are causing people in some places to starve and in the United states we have the opposite problem. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a store check out line behind someone who easily weighs three hundred plus pounds leaning on a heaping cart full of junk food and sometimes two heaping carts...of course they are paying with food stamps.........what is the answer? More corruption and dollars???? Maybe less dollars and less corruption and more teaching correct principles would make a difference......obesity in the US is obscene......throwing more money at it just brings in the corrupt officials who skim off the top and little changes....addicts go to the Indian casinos here and somehow trade food stamp cards for money....North Korea is starving to death while the leaders skim all the cream.....which is also obscene.....government creates the problem and proposed a worse solution....over and over again.....all in the name of Compassion....

Food prices should reflect the total costs, and most importantly the cost of consumption. Adding 1 penny for each net-carb would be a good place to start, and would at least cover the price of all the dialysis machines and insulin. Remember net-carbs subtracts fiber grams from total carbs.

[1775peasant]

It all comes down to this....give a man a fish...he eats for a day....teach a man to fish he can feed himself for a lifetime. The idea that anyone can solve the worlds hunger is ridiculous.....corrupt political forces are causing people in some places to starve and in the United states we have the opposite problem. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a store check out line behind someone who easily weighs three hundred plus pounds leaning on a heaping cart full of junk food and sometimes two heaping carts...of course they are paying with food stamps.........what is the answer? More corruption and dollars???? Maybe less dollars and less corruption and more teaching correct principles would make a difference......obesity in the US is obscene......throwing more money at it just brings in the corrupt officials who skim off the top and little changes....addicts go to the Indian casinos here and somehow trade food stamp cards for money....North Korea is starving to death while the leaders skim all the cream.....which is also obscene.....government creates the problem and proposed a worse solution....over and over again.....all in the name of Compassion....

Food prices should reflect the total costs, and most importantly the cost of consumption. Adding 1 penny for each net-carb would be a good place to start, and would at least cover the price of all the dialysis machines and insulin. Remember net-carbs subtracts fiber grams from total carbs.

the 5 Blue Zones strung across the globe utilize complex carbohydrates extensively, for some the bulk of their diet is from complex carbohydrates…..

the longest existing civilizations on the planet exist mainly off complex carbohydrates……Asian-rice, Peruvian-potatoes & Mayan-corn/maize

D & C 89 prescribes complex carbohydrates as the bulk, fresh fruits & vegetables weren’t storable…..”in the season thereof”……while grains, legumes & root crops can be stored…..

sugar cane & sorghum/cane where used for centuries to make molasses with no effectual detriment associated

processed foods, that produce SIMPLE carbohydrates is the #1 diet problem…..another instance of man perverting God’s creation for gain

[Niemand]

If you hunt around, there are some good discussions on how charity can be counterproductive sometimes. If a lot of free stuff is brought in, that means someone who produces whatever for a living is undermined.