Why we should not tolerate democrats, especially in our neighborhoods

[nightlight]

I just showed where that statement is demonstrably false.

I don't know that it is. If the Nephite people followed D&C 98, they didn't go to battle without the Lord's permission. We don't have that and so as of right now, our primary mission is to spread the gospel.

This is completely false. We're commanded to protect this Promised Land-even unto bloodshed.
We're command is abolish an unconstitutional government
Etc

Unless you believe our founding documents aren't from God

[lundbaek]

I think a case can be made that "We're commanded to protect this Promised Land-even unto bloodshed, and that "We're command is abolish an unconstitutional government". However, I'm pretty certain that the current Prophet & Co. would vehemently oppose any effort to rally Church members to battle against the corrupt government of the United States unless the Lord directed him to do so.

Past latter-day prophets, and more recently, President Oaks, have tried to motivate, yea, even commanded, Latter-day Saints to learn, uphold, and abide by the inspired principles of the U.S. Constitution. And, for the most part, we couldn't even do that much.

[nightlight]

"Now they were desirous that salvation should be declared to every creature, for they could not bear that any human soul should perish; yea, even the very thoughts that any soul should endure endless torment did cause them to quake and tremble. "28.3

That is how we should approach mankind.
Lol if you think you know who's deserving , look in the mirror.

But this doesn't mean that there's not lines in sand.
Once you try to take my life or liberty....that's when we talk with swords if words don't work

[markharr]

I just showed where that statement is demonstrably false.

I don't know that it is. If the Nephite people followed D&C 98, they didn't go to battle without the Lord's permission. We don't have that and so as of right now, our primary mission is to spread the gospel.

This is completely false. We're commanded to protect this Promised Land-even unto bloodshed.
We're command is abolish an unconstitutional government
Etc

Unless you believe our founding documents aren't from God

So, you want me to believe you over D&C 98?

[Sunain]

It is pretty clear that democrats hate freedom. So, considering that the Q15 are largely socialist, Marxist, satanist, democrat, the question is: Were these people among the third part that chose to follow Lucifer with a body? Or in other words, were the Q15 evil the day they were born?

There is definitely a group of people that knew enough in the premortal existence that they'd be damned to follow Satan but still agreed with many of the things he proposed. Unfortunately, we have to deal with them here.

[Fred]

This short video is telling:

https://utahpatriots.org/videos/Democra ... e-evil.mp4

[Serragon]

I think a case can be made that "We're commanded to protect this Promised Land-even unto bloodshed, and that "We're command is abolish an unconstitutional government". However, I'm pretty certain that the current Prophet & Co. would vehemently oppose any effort to rally Church members to battle against the corrupt government of the United States unless the Lord directed him to do so.

Past latter-day prophets, and more recently, President Oaks, have tried to motivate, yea, even commanded, Latter-day Saints to learn, uphold, and abide by the inspired principles of the U.S. Constitution. And, for the most part, we couldn't even do that much.

Yes, those abstract calls to support constitutional principles while they are simultaneously trading away our individual rights to associate for the institutional right is very inspiring.

Almost as inspiring as the speech he gave with the BLM moniker on the screen in a blatant attempt to pander to the progressives and get on the white supremacy bandwagon.

Lundbaek.. I appreciate you, but statements like those you are referencing are meant for people like you.. to appease them. The church doesn't actually want you to try and live and uphold the principles of the constitution because the church itself isn't interested in doing so.

[Fred]

I think a case can be made that "We're commanded to protect this Promised Land-even unto bloodshed, and that "We're command is abolish an unconstitutional government". However, I'm pretty certain that the current Prophet & Co. would vehemently oppose any effort to rally Church members to battle against the corrupt government of the United States unless the Lord directed him to do so.

Past latter-day prophets, and more recently, President Oaks, have tried to motivate, yea, even commanded, Latter-day Saints to learn, uphold, and abide by the inspired principles of the U.S. Constitution. And, for the most part, we couldn't even do that much.

Yes, those abstract calls to support constitutional principles while they are simultaneously trading away our individual rights to associate for the institutional right is very inspiring.

Almost as inspiring as the speech he gave with the BLM moniker on the screen in a blatant attempt to pander to the progressives and get on the white supremacy bandwagon.

Lundbaek.. I appreciate you, but statements like those you are referencing are meant for people like you.. to appease them. The church doesn't actually want you to try and live and uphold the principles of the constitution because the church itself isn't interested in doing so.

In fact, the church does not believe in the Constitution at all, not even a little bit. It was inspired by God and they know it and hate it for that reason alone. They refused to support the Constitution when KSL stopped selling guns in the classifieds and turned it over to the Utah Gun Exchange.

Socialists do NOT believe in or follow the Constitution. Socialists are all without exception, disciples of satan. The Q15 are socialists. It was clearly stated as I was growing up that socialism is of the devil. Now the church embraces the devil, socialism, WEF, UN, abortion, fags, and every despicable thing that is evil.

[Mamabear]

Fred, I think they have fallen for the ideas of Babylon like the rest of the world. No they weren’t born that way. No one is born evil. Children cannot be evil. We know that once we stop listening to the Holy Ghost and put our worldly desires first, then Satan enters in. The love of money and lack of revelation is a big part of the downfall. If someone like Moroni was the prophet right now, he would stand up for freedom, call out secret combinations and communist governments, and rebuke sin like nobody’s business. He would be hated by the world and their leaders. No government officials or other religions would desire to meet with him. His life would be sought after as all ancient prophets experienced.

You are mistaken. A third part of the spirits followed Lucifer and was cast out. A third part realized that Jesus was correct about God's plan. The other third part. Hmmm. Do you suppose they were just plain stupid? Of course not. Some wanted to follow Lucifer because they really did believe that forcing people was the correct way. These spirits were evil to the core before they were born. They decided to take the best of both worlds. Get a body and follow Lucifer that way.

Now we know for 100% certainty that you are totally wrong about there not being evil spirits in heaven before birth because Lucifer was there along with a third part of evil spirits that followed him. Are you silly enough to believe that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve?

How utterly ridiculous. Are you also silly enough to believe that a spirit changes from evil to good the day it is born. Total foolishness. We are exactly the same person after birth as we was before. We just had a memory lapse.

You better wake up and accept truth!

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
D&C 93:38

But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
Moroni 8:12

I don’t recall ever saying there were no evil spirits in heaven. Or that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve.

After children are in a state of innocence for a time, they are then allowed to be tempted by the devil. That is when they willingly choose evil in this life. Yes, they have an eternal identity but their choices here on this earth are what dictates their reward or condemnation. That’s all I’m saying.

[Fred]

Fred, I think they have fallen for the ideas of Babylon like the rest of the world. No they weren’t born that way. No one is born evil. Children cannot be evil. We know that once we stop listening to the Holy Ghost and put our worldly desires first, then Satan enters in. The love of money and lack of revelation is a big part of the downfall. If someone like Moroni was the prophet right now, he would stand up for freedom, call out secret combinations and communist governments, and rebuke sin like nobody’s business. He would be hated by the world and their leaders. No government officials or other religions would desire to meet with him. His life would be sought after as all ancient prophets experienced.

You are mistaken. A third part of the spirits followed Lucifer and was cast out. A third part realized that Jesus was correct about God's plan. The other third part. Hmmm. Do you suppose they were just plain stupid? Of course not. Some wanted to follow Lucifer because they really did believe that forcing people was the correct way. These spirits were evil to the core before they were born. They decided to take the best of both worlds. Get a body and follow Lucifer that way.

Now we know for 100% certainty that you are totally wrong about there not being evil spirits in heaven before birth because Lucifer was there along with a third part of evil spirits that followed him. Are you silly enough to believe that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve?

I don’t recall ever saying there were no evil spirits in heaven. Or that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve.

How utterly ridiculous. Are you also silly enough to believe that a spirit changes from evil to good the day it is born. Total foolishness. We are exactly the same person after birth as we was before. We just had a memory lapse.

You better wake up and accept truth!

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
D&C 93:38

But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
Moroni 8:12

After children are in a state of innocence for a time, they are then allowed to be tempted by the devil. That is when they willingly choose evil in this life. Yes, they have an eternal identity but their choices here on this earth are what dictates their reward or condemnation. That’s all I’m saying.

They are innocent because they have not sinned. How can an infant sin? Does not mean that they did not fully intend to follow satan.

Everyone is born with the light of Christ. So what? Big deal? Some do not follow it. Even Cain was born with the light of Christ. He was also born innocent because he had not sinned upon being born. But Cain was evil alright, a true follower of satan since before he was born. He just had not got old enough for his true self to show when he was only a child. There are evil spirits born everyday. Thousands, perhaps millions. When they see the democrat party, they recognize their master satan is behind it and become a full fledged member. Even donating personal funds to perform abortions like Uchtdorf did.

Serial murderers, rapists, people that call the clot shot a godsend, and others are evil. They intend to do harm. They have lost the light of Christ. They have chosen to follow a different master. The same one they followed before birth. And it was not Jesus or God.

[markharr]

It's clear in multiple scriptures that we will be persecuted in the last days before Zion. This persecution has started is ongoing and is likely to get much worse before it gets better.

I trust the Lord that he will destroy the secret combinations and their secret works as he promised in 2 Nephi 10:15. If he calls on me to be a part of that either by direct revelation or through one of his servants, I will consider it to be an honor, and will be happy to accept the call. I suspect that we have to go through a lot more persecution first.

[lundbaek]

I also believe that we have to go through a lot more persecution first. It didn't have to be. I believe that if LDSs had done as commanded by past prophets and apostles, the Lord would have supported our efforts such that our current situation would be at least not nearly so bad as it is now. And I don't know but what that prophecy about "this people" saving the Constitution would be fulfilled by now. I still believe it will be fulfilled, but at a much higher cost to us now.

[Aprhys]

So where do you draw the line? I believe that only extreme right wing fascists should exist. If you aren't a right wing fascist then you don't belong in my neighborhood. If you know anyone with brown eyes or even the hint of melanin in their skin then they shouldn't belong in my neighborhood. Perhaps we should build camps to concentrate these people in. And if they can't be re-educated then we should come up with some sort of plan to deal with them. I don't have all of the exact ideas to deal with these wicked people so help me out here.

[markharr]

Personally, I think the song stinks but they make a good point with the title.

It’s Hard to Be Religious When Certain People Are Never Incinerated by Bolts of Lightning,

[Fred]

So where do you draw the line? I believe that only extreme right wing fascists should exist. If you aren't a right wing fascist then you don't belong in my neighborhood. If you know anyone with brown eyes or even the hint of melanin in their skin then they shouldn't belong in my neighborhood. Perhaps we should build camps to concentrate these people in. And if they can't be re-educated then we should come up with some sort of plan to deal with them. I don't have all of the exact ideas to deal with these wicked people so help me out here.

I suppose you jest.

It is totally Christlike to exclude pricks, evil doers, and the opposition from your group. Discrimination is a wonderful thing. Why do you think that certain people are excluded from attending the temple? Duh!

People that do not meet the standards set by the community should be and are excluded daily. Even some gated communities with rules will make you agree to the rules or you can't live there. Any homeowners association whether gated or not. Only the most evil of pricks are against discrimination.

It injures no one. No one is forced to live where they do not want to. It is a wonderful thing.

If you expect to be graced by my presence, you will first be approved to be worthy. Or maybe I will just consider you riff raff and just ignore you.

Zion will not be Zion if a democrat is allowed in.

[Fred]

If someone like Moroni was the prophet right now, he would stand up for freedom, call out secret combinations and communist governments, and rebuke sin like nobody’s business. He would be hated by the world and their leaders. No government officials or other religions would desire to meet with him. His life would be sought after as all ancient prophets experienced.

Sounds like Trump, to be honest

[Mamabear]

Fred, I think they have fallen for the ideas of Babylon like the rest of the world. No they weren’t born that way. No one is born evil. Children cannot be evil. We know that once we stop listening to the Holy Ghost and put our worldly desires first, then Satan enters in. The love of money and lack of revelation is a big part of the downfall. If someone like Moroni was the prophet right now, he would stand up for freedom, call out secret combinations and communist governments, and rebuke sin like nobody’s business. He would be hated by the world and their leaders. No government officials or other religions would desire to meet with him. His life would be sought after as all ancient prophets experienced.

You are mistaken. A third part of the spirits followed Lucifer and was cast out. A third part realized that Jesus was correct about God's plan. The other third part. Hmmm. Do you suppose they were just plain stupid? Of course not. Some wanted to follow Lucifer because they really did believe that forcing people was the correct way. These spirits were evil to the core before they were born. They decided to take the best of both worlds. Get a body and follow Lucifer that way.

Now we know for 100% certainty that you are totally wrong about there not being evil spirits in heaven before birth because Lucifer was there along with a third part of evil spirits that followed him. Are you silly enough to believe that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve?

I don’t recall ever saying there were no evil spirits in heaven. Or that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve.

How utterly ridiculous. Are you also silly enough to believe that a spirit changes from evil to good the day it is born. Total foolishness. We are exactly the same person after birth as we was before. We just had a memory lapse.

You better wake up and accept truth!

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
D&C 93:38

But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
Moroni 8:12

After children are in a state of innocence for a time, they are then allowed to be tempted by the devil. That is when they willingly choose evil in this life. Yes, they have an eternal identity but their choices here on this earth are what dictates their reward or condemnation. That’s all I’m saying.

They are innocent because they have not sinned. How can an infant sin? Does not mean that they did not fully intend to follow satan.

Everyone is born with the light of Christ. So what? Big deal? Some do not follow it. Even Cain was born with the light of Christ. He was also born innocent because he had not sinned upon being born. But Cain was evil alright, a true follower of satan since before he was born. He just had not got old enough for his true self to show when he was only a child. There are evil spirits born everyday. Thousands, perhaps millions. When they see the democrat party, they recognize their master satan is behind it and become a full fledged member. Even donating personal funds to perform abortions like Uchtdorf did.

Serial murderers, rapists, people that call the clot shot a godsend, and others are evil. They intend to do harm. They have lost the light of Christ. They have chosen to follow a different master. The same one they followed before birth. And it was not Jesus or God.

All who came to this earth kept their first estate. Those who did not, were cast out and did not obtain a body.

“First Estate. The premortal life. As Thirteenth President Ezra Taft Benson explained to a general conference audience, “I testify that all those who come into mortality accepted our Father’s plan. (See Abr. 3:26.) Having proved faithful in their first estate in heaven, they are now subject to the test of mortality in this second estate” (“I Testify,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1988, p. 86).
“What do the terms first estate and second estate mean in Abraham 3:26? (First estate refers to the premortal life, and second estate refers to our mortal life. We kept our first estate by choosing to follow Jesus Christ instead of Lucifer.)” (Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, p. 5).”

[markharr]

Fred, it isn't our job to condemn anyone to hell. We are supposed to help save people from hell. It isn't even the role of the Savior to condemn people to hell. The saviors role is the advocate. Only the father can condemn people to hell and the time appointed for that is still over 1000 years away. The idea of sending people to meet their creator in their sins made captain Moroni feel sorrow. It should do the same for all of us. Perhaps that is why the Lord knows that we are not ready.

[Fred]

You are mistaken. A third part of the spirits followed Lucifer and was cast out. A third part realized that Jesus was correct about God's plan. The other third part. Hmmm. Do you suppose they were just plain stupid? Of course not. Some wanted to follow Lucifer because they really did believe that forcing people was the correct way. These spirits were evil to the core before they were born. They decided to take the best of both worlds. Get a body and follow Lucifer that way.

Now we know for 100% certainty that you are totally wrong about there not being evil spirits in heaven before birth because Lucifer was there along with a third part of evil spirits that followed him. Are you silly enough to believe that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve?

I don’t recall ever saying there were no evil spirits in heaven. Or that Lucifer did not become evil until he met Adam and Eve.

How utterly ridiculous. Are you also silly enough to believe that a spirit changes from evil to good the day it is born. Total foolishness. We are exactly the same person after birth as we was before. We just had a memory lapse.

You better wake up and accept truth!

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
D&C 93:38

But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
Moroni 8:12

After children are in a state of innocence for a time, they are then allowed to be tempted by the devil. That is when they willingly choose evil in this life. Yes, they have an eternal identity but their choices here on this earth are what dictates their reward or condemnation. That’s all I’m saying.

They are innocent because they have not sinned. How can an infant sin? Does not mean that they did not fully intend to follow satan.

Everyone is born with the light of Christ. So what? Big deal? Some do not follow it. Even Cain was born with the light of Christ. He was also born innocent because he had not sinned upon being born. But Cain was evil alright, a true follower of satan since before he was born. He just had not got old enough for his true self to show when he was only a child. There are evil spirits born everyday. Thousands, perhaps millions. When they see the democrat party, they recognize their master satan is behind it and become a full fledged member. Even donating personal funds to perform abortions like Uchtdorf did.

Serial murderers, rapists, people that call the clot shot a godsend, and others are evil. They intend to do harm. They have lost the light of Christ. They have chosen to follow a different master. The same one they followed before birth. And it was not Jesus or God.

All who came to this earth kept their first estate. Those who did not, were cast out and did not obtain a body.

“First Estate. The premortal life. As Thirteenth President Ezra Taft Benson explained to a general conference audience, “I testify that all those who come into mortality accepted our Father’s plan. (See Abr. 3:26.) Having proved faithful in their first estate in heaven, they are now subject to the test of mortality in this second estate” (“I Testify,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1988, p. 86).
“What do the terms first estate and second estate mean in Abraham 3:26? (First estate refers to the premortal life, and second estate refers to our mortal life. We kept our first estate by choosing to follow Jesus Christ instead of Lucifer.)” (Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, p. 5).”

All first estate means is that they didn't get kicked out. Everyone, even the most evil of spirits, that did not follow Lucifer out the door kept their first estate.

By not getting kicked out, they automatically get to come to earth for mortal life.

So what you wrote is about as important as Jack in the Beanstalk. It means nothing. Of course, the evil spirits kept their first estate. They didn't get kicked out. They decided to get a body to follow Lucifer with instead. They are still incredibly evil spirits. They were evil the day they were born. They are evil now. Otherwise, they would not be a democrat, socialist, Marxist, or other follower of satan.

[Fred]

Fred, it isn't our job to condemn anyone to hell. We are supposed to help save people from hell. It isn't even the role of the Savior to condemn people to hell. The saviors role is the advocate. Only the father can condemn people to hell and the time appointed for that is still over 1000 years away. The idea of sending people to meet their creator in their sins made captain Moroni feel sorrow. It should do the same for all of us. Perhaps that is why the Lord knows that we are not ready.

I did not condemn anyone to hell. What makes you even say such a thing?

[Mamabear]

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
D&C 93:38

But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
Moroni 8:12

After children are in a state of innocence for a time, they are then allowed to be tempted by the devil. That is when they willingly choose evil in this life. Yes, they have an eternal identity but their choices here on this earth are what dictates their reward or condemnation. That’s all I’m saying.

They are innocent because they have not sinned. How can an infant sin? Does not mean that they did not fully intend to follow satan.

Everyone is born with the light of Christ. So what? Big deal? Some do not follow it. Even Cain was born with the light of Christ. He was also born innocent because he had not sinned upon being born. But Cain was evil alright, a true follower of satan since before he was born. He just had not got old enough for his true self to show when he was only a child. There are evil spirits born everyday. Thousands, perhaps millions. When they see the democrat party, they recognize their master satan is behind it and become a full fledged member. Even donating personal funds to perform abortions like Uchtdorf did.

Serial murderers, rapists, people that call the clot shot a godsend, and others are evil. They intend to do harm. They have lost the light of Christ. They have chosen to follow a different master. The same one they followed before birth. And it was not Jesus or God.

All who came to this earth kept their first estate. Those who did not, were cast out and did not obtain a body.

“First Estate. The premortal life. As Thirteenth President Ezra Taft Benson explained to a general conference audience, “I testify that all those who come into mortality accepted our Father’s plan. (See Abr. 3:26.) Having proved faithful in their first estate in heaven, they are now subject to the test of mortality in this second estate” (“I Testify,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1988, p. 86).
“What do the terms first estate and second estate mean in Abraham 3:26? (First estate refers to the premortal life, and second estate refers to our mortal life. We kept our first estate by choosing to follow Jesus Christ instead of Lucifer.)” (Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, p. 5).”

All first estate means is that they didn't get kicked out. Everyone, even the most evil of spirits, that did not follow Lucifer out the door kept their first estate.

By not getting kicked out, they automatically get to come to earth for mortal life.

So what you wrote is about as important as Jack in the Beanstalk. It means nothing. Of course, the evil spirits kept their first estate. They didn't get kicked out. They decided to get a body to follow Lucifer with instead. They are still incredibly evil spirits. They were evil the day they were born. They are evil now. Otherwise, they would not be a democrat, socialist, Marxist, or other follower of satan.

Can you provide scriptures/doctrine to support this?

[markharr]

Fred, it isn't our job to condemn anyone to hell. We are supposed to help save people from hell. It isn't even the role of the Savior to condemn people to hell. The saviors role is the advocate. Only the father can condemn people to hell and the time appointed for that is still over 1000 years away. The idea of sending people to meet their creator in their sins made captain Moroni feel sorrow. It should do the same for all of us. Perhaps that is why the Lord knows that we are not ready.

I did not condemn anyone to hell. What makes you even say such a thing?

Sure felt like it. I am sorry if I misunderstood.

[Lizzy60]

John 8.

Jesus tells the self-righteous churchmen that their father is the devil.
Well, he certainly didn’t give them any room for repentance, or a change of heart, and why not?
Because Christ knows his sheep. The sheep know their master.

We don’t know, yet, but people who support abortion and sodomy certainly seem to have the devil as their father, or else they will experience an Alma the Younger type interruption of their path.

It seems reasonable that I don’t want abortion and sodomy sycophants leading my ward, stake, or worldwide church.

[Fred]

They are innocent because they have not sinned. How can an infant sin? Does not mean that they did not fully intend to follow satan.

Everyone is born with the light of Christ. So what? Big deal? Some do not follow it. Even Cain was born with the light of Christ. He was also born innocent because he had not sinned upon being born. But Cain was evil alright, a true follower of satan since before he was born. He just had not got old enough for his true self to show when he was only a child. There are evil spirits born everyday. Thousands, perhaps millions. When they see the democrat party, they recognize their master satan is behind it and become a full fledged member. Even donating personal funds to perform abortions like Uchtdorf did.

Serial murderers, rapists, people that call the clot shot a godsend, and others are evil. They intend to do harm. They have lost the light of Christ. They have chosen to follow a different master. The same one they followed before birth. And it was not Jesus or God.

All who came to this earth kept their first estate. Those who did not, were cast out and did not obtain a body.

“First Estate. The premortal life. As Thirteenth President Ezra Taft Benson explained to a general conference audience, “I testify that all those who come into mortality accepted our Father’s plan. (See Abr. 3:26.) Having proved faithful in their first estate in heaven, they are now subject to the test of mortality in this second estate” (“I Testify,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1988, p. 86).
“What do the terms first estate and second estate mean in Abraham 3:26? (First estate refers to the premortal life, and second estate refers to our mortal life. We kept our first estate by choosing to follow Jesus Christ instead of Lucifer.)” (Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, p. 5).”

All first estate means is that they didn't get kicked out. Everyone, even the most evil of spirits, that did not follow Lucifer out the door kept their first estate.

By not getting kicked out, they automatically get to come to earth for mortal life.

So what you wrote is about as important as Jack in the Beanstalk. It means nothing. Of course, the evil spirits kept their first estate. They didn't get kicked out. They decided to get a body to follow Lucifer with instead. They are still incredibly evil spirits. They were evil the day they were born. They are evil now. Otherwise, they would not be a democrat, socialist, Marxist, or other follower of satan.

Can you provide scriptures/doctrine to support this?

It is in the Bible. They teach it in church. They always have. No surprises. Cain was the son of the devil or similar words. He was evil before he was born, during birth, after birth, and he proved it by killing Abel. Maybe someone else can run down the scriptures for you. I just know it to be true.

[Subcomandante]

I have said many times that democrats are evil to the core. In a decent society they would be discarded as buffoons or relegated to insane asylums. It isn't just that they have a differing opinion any more than satan has a differing opinion. They do after all worship satan. As they did before they were born. God allowed these scum to come to earth, giving them the opportunity to see the light and repent. It is possible. Some actually do.

Nothing they ever do is good. They never have even a good idea. There is absolutely nothing good about them. These are the people that should be discriminated against. Not skin color. But ideology. They are evil. That is why there will not be a single one in the Celestial Kingdom.

Tucker Carlson shows them as they are.

It is pretty clear that democrats hate freedom. So, considering that the Q15 are largely socialist, Marxist, satanist, democrat, the question is: Were these people among the third part that chose to follow Lucifer with a body? Or in other words, were the Q15 evil the day they were born?

Everyone that is born in this earth was born for good, not for evil. As Mr. Miyagi of Karate Kid fame once said, "There's no such thing as a bad student. But there are bad teachers."

Keep in mind that there are lots of good things that Democrats have done over the years. Today's group of Democrats, especially those of them that identify with the progressive leftist and woke ideas, definitely are bad news for any decent society. But there are other Democrats out there that certainly do not identify with those ideas. A good 20 percent of them decided to jump ship in VA and NJ and vote for the Republican candidate for governor in their respective states. It was just enough in VA and not quite enough in NJ.

John F. Kennedy had a few revolutionary ideas; last I checked he was a Democrat, though if he were living today, undoubtedly he would identify as a Republican.

Go to the moon (today's Democrats would say let's take care of Earth first instead of exploring for new worlds).
Treat people equally no matter their race, color, or sex. (This is a FAR cry from what WOKEISM dictates in which preferential treatment is given to different "disadvantaged" social classes).
Asking people what they could do for their country, not what their country can do for them (this likewise is a FAR cry from what today's Democrats demand from their country without expecting any sacrifice for the country).

The current makeup of the Q15 is majority Republican, with Uchtdorf and perhaps Gong leaning Democrat. I do NOT think Ulises Soares is an American citizen.