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The lost Psalm 151 & Book of Mormon

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I discussed the Book of Tobit here and some parallels to the Book of Mormon and New Testament (which may quote it)

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Psalm 151 is not found in western Bibles, including the Roman Catholic ones or the usual Apocrypha. It is only accepted as canonical by Orthodox churches. It is in the LXX/Septuagint but not Hebrew canon, however it has turned up in the Dead Sea scrolls in Hebrew. Some people also think it is two lost psalms combined.

It was supposedly written by David after killing Goliath.

This is the NRSV translation of Ps. 151:
1 I was small among my brothers,
and the youngest in my father’s house;
I tended my father’s sheep.
2 My hands made a harp;
my fingers fashioned a lyre.
3 And who will tell my Lord?
The Lord himself; it is he who hears [everything].
4 It was he who sent his messenger [angel]
and took me from my father’s sheep,
and anointed me with his anointing oil.
5 My brothers were handsome and tall,
but the Lord was not pleased with them.
6 I went out to meet the Philistine,
and he cursed me by his idols.
7 But I drew his own sword; I beheaded him,
and took away disgrace from the people of Israel.
As you can see there isn't a whole lot of new doctrine in this. The NSRV translator could have worked on his/her English style too.

First thing I notice here is the hidden meaning of how we should be like little children to overcome the giant problems which confront us:
Matthew 18: 3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
3 Nephi 9.22: Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
Revelation 21: 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
There is also a big parallel here to Nephi and his brothers and how they would bully and assault him.

Other points:
* Verse 3 - the Lord hears everything
* Verse 4 - anointing
* Verse 6 - idols, false gods
* Verse 7 - Beheading, as found in the Book of Judith and 1 Nephi 4:18
Therefore I did obey the voice of the Spirit, and took Laban by the hair of the head, and I smote off his head with his own sword.
While there is little new or fresh in the doctrine, it doesn't contradict the other scriptures in any way. The only issue I can see is that it appears to be combined from two psalms. Whether it was written by David is another matter.

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Link to discussion of Laodiceans
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Latest Apocrypha:
1 Esdras
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2 Esdras (the most relevant book in the Apocrypha?)
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Bel and the Dragon viewtopic.php?t=69261

Prayer of Azarias and Hymn of the Three Children
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Prayer of Mannases
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Apocryphal additions to Esther
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Book of Susanna
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Book of Judith
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Wisdom of Solomon
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The Book of Sirach, Ecclesiasticus, the NT, the BOM and the other Jesus
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Book of Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy/Jeremiah
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1 Maccabees
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2 Maccabees, Nephi and prayers for the dead
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3 Maccabees
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The Book of Odes - this is an Eastern Orthodox work of limited interest, but included for the sake of completeness.
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Theres a psalm of David that is almost identical to a Hym of the Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaten whom believed in the one true God...
Psalm 104....

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TheChristian wrote: January 24th, 2023, 1:49 pm Theres a psalm of David that is almost identical to a Hym of the Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaten whom believed in the one true God...
Psalm 104....
Yes I've heard this discussed and don't know what to make of it.

Akhenaten is a curious figure. I don't know what to make of him either.

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As you know he believed in one God and rid Egypt of its numerous Gods, alas when his reign was over, the Pagan priests sought to eradicate his memory, no doubt much of his works, writings, beliefs to.

Heres a Hym of Akhenaten,

"God is Almighty; He is One.
There is none other than Him. He is one.
He is the creator of every being, a spirit God, an invisible spirit.
God existed in the beginning; He was the only being.
He was there when nothing was there.
He created everything. His eternal existence will continue forever. He is hidden; no one has seen him.
He always remains a secret to humans and His creations."

The above Hym is a very Mosiac description of the One God.

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Latest Apocrypha
4 Maccabees
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TheChristian wrote: January 25th, 2023, 6:44 am As you know he believed in one God and rid Egypt of its numerous Gods, alas when his reign was over, the Pagan priests sought to eradicate his memory, no doubt much of his works, writings, beliefs to.

Heres a Hym of Akhenaten,

"God is Almighty; He is One.
There is none other than Him. He is one.
He is the creator of every being, a spirit God, an invisible spirit.
God existed in the beginning; He was the only being.
He was there when nothing was there.
He created everything. His eternal existence will continue forever. He is hidden; no one has seen him.
He always remains a secret to humans and His creations."

The above Hym is a very Mosiac description of the One God.
Aye they hated him. I think it's the usual problem. People don't like losing their jobs. Even priests. They'll do anything to protect them.

I think Akhenaten was on the right track. I don't know if he got there. The LDS don't like the idea of a Divine Spirit, except maybe the Holy Ghost.

The Muslims say something like 20,000 prophets have been sent out to the world. Most of them are forgotten. I think there are a lot we don't know about.

Zoroaster's not a household name, but his religion once filled the Persian Empire. The only remnants now are a few folk like Freddie Mercury's family. I did a thread on whether Z. may have been a true prophet whose teachings have been distorted. (Most of Buddha's teachings were only taken down centuries later so maybe the original ones were closer to the gospel.)

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Outside the Western and Eastern Orthodox Canon...

The Ethiopian canon. This includes brief info on the books of Sinodos, Ethiopian Clement, Ethiopian Covenant, and Didascalia as well as a list of other works in the canon.
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The Book of Jubilees aka Leptogenesis or Little Genesis
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3 Corinthians (Armenian canon)
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I have discussed Psalm 151 a bit more on the post on four additional Apocryphal Psalms - 152, 153, 154, 155
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The Epistle of Barnabas (NT Apocrypha) - link between OT and NT, or not?
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The Didache or Teachings of the Apostles
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The Gospel of Nicodemus or Acts of Pilate, as tested on Mennonites
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Ethiopian canon
The Book of Enoch
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1 Meqabyan (Ethiopian canon), another lost book?
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2 Meqabyan (Ethiopian canon) - the return of Tsirutsaydan
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And
Antilegomena: the books which barely made it into the Bible - Revelation, Esther, Song of Songs, James etc
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Is Q canonical? How about the Gospel of Thomas? The answer's more complicated than you think.
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The LDS Bible Dictionary on Lost Books and non-canonical works referred to in the Bible.
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The Samaritans, their canon and its significance
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Underrated Bible stories #3: Habakkuk's Hair-raising Experience (from Bel & the Dragon in the KJV Apocrypha)
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Ethiopian Canon...
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The First and Second Books of Adam and Eve (the Conflict with Satan)
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My thread on a bizarre Middle Eastern sect and their beliefs. Are the Yezidis of the Middle East an ancient Satanist group or a lost Jewish tribe? And what is the connection between their religion and today's rainbow flag? Is this strange group simply misunderstood?
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Niemand wrote: January 24th, 2023, 6:23 pm
TheChristian wrote: January 24th, 2023, 1:49 pm Theres a psalm of David that is almost identical to a Hym of the Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaten whom believed in the one true God...
Psalm 104....
Yes I've heard this discussed and don't know what to make of it.

Akhenaten is a curious figure. I don't know what to make of him either.
Some say Mosiach's real egyptian name was akhenaten.

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Latest Apocrypha etc
Will the real Book of Jasher please stand up? At least a dozen works are claimed to be the Book of Jasher, but did it ever exist in the first place?
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The Ascension of Isaiah, visions of Christ and Antichrist
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The Book of the Cock – an unfortunately named gospel still in current use in Ethiopia.
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The Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians, an early endorsement of Paul or a forgery?
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The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus - a beautiful short epistle about the relations of Christians and non-Christians, and the Tree of Knowledge
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End Times Prophecy in Apocrypha/Pseudepigrapha: A guide
Includes discussions of 2 Esdras, (1) Enoch, Nicodemus, Ascension of Isaiah, Gad the Seer and the Shepherd of Hermas
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New Age Bibles: Urantia, Oahspe, Kolbrin, Oera Linda, Crowley's Book of the Law, a Course in Miracles etc. These works, usually channelled, provide a very different take on spirituality yet are strangely similar to one another. How should we approach these new works and are they just demonic?
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