CRT in October talk by Oaks

[TrueFaith]

From October, 2021 talk, "The Need for a Church" by Dallin H Oaks:

In a church we don’t just serve alone or by our own choice or at our convenience. We usually serve in a team. In service we find heaven-sent opportunities to rise above the individualism of our age. Church-directed service helps us overcome the personal selfishness that can retard our spiritual growth.
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Our members’ religious faith and Church service have taught them how to work in cooperative efforts to benefit the larger community. That kind of experience and development does not happen in the individualism so prevalent in the practices of our current society. In the geographic organization of our local wards, we associate and work with persons we might not otherwise have chosen, persons who teach us and test us.
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... ame=GLOB88

I thought this choice of word was bizarre when I heard it because it seems inappropriate for what he's describing. What he's defining is "atomization", or "isolation", not "individualism" which is defined as the embodiment of individual rights and responsibility.

Now I know why he used it. CRT is going hard-core on trashing individualism and he's a disciples of their dogma. From the new Marxist AMA document:

"Individualism is a philosophy and group of ideas, expressed in symbols, practices, and stories that supports a belief that self-sufficient individuals are rational beings that freely make consumer-like choices, independent of political influences, living conditions or historical context. Among these ideas is the concept of meritocracy, a social system in which advancement in society is based on an individual’s capabilities and merits rather than on the basis of family, wealth or social background. Individualism is problematic in obscuring the dynamics of group domination, especially socioeconomic privilege and racism. In health care, this narrative appears as an over-emphasis on changing individuals and individual behavior instead of the institutional and structural causes of disease."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americ ... ace-theory

Need any more proof our leaders are not simply pushing this for money or to "make friends with Babylon"? They are hard-core perpetrators of cultural Marxism. They are leaders in spreading this Satanic cult.

[Gadianton Slayer]

You are straying from the collective, TrueFaith. Be careful. This sounds like a baseless conspiracy theory, which we are warned against by the beloved leaders. (Handbook: 38.8.40)

[Sirius]

Not surprising, seeing how crap like this continues to dominate church owned media.

While presenting as part of the district's weeklong campaign to celebrate Veterans Day, Larry Law, a veteran and P.E. teacher at Dry Creek Elementary School in Lehi, detailed his military service before a person who saw the presentation said he pivoted to denouncing the COVID-19 vaccine and socialism.

In an image provided to the Deseret News, Law is seen in uniform, speaking in front of a slide that reads: "Many college students think socialist/communist ideas sound appealing ... Talk to someone who has escaped a socialist country. Ask them about how corrupt the government is, how they control your life, how they harm and kill innocent children."

"If we don't teach our students the truth about our Constitution, they will end up slaves to bullies," the slide reads.

A Dry Creek Elementary parent who asked not to be identified said Law made several references to fighting bullies, including COVID-19 vaccine mandates, and showed images of dictators of predominantly Asian descent as an example of what a bully looks like. The parent called it a "pro-fighting platform."

"It was just basically full of anti-Asian rhetoric talking about how people getting free handouts like food from the grocery store is anti-American and for lazy people," the parent said.

So the school district deems this political activism, but requiring CRT be taught in schools is not? KSL is a joke, and so are their so called "journalists". Marxism, the ideology of cowards.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50280126/di ... -socialism

[Sirius]

From October, 2021 talk, "The Need for a Church" by Dallin H Oaks:

In a church we don’t just serve alone or by our own choice or at our convenience. We usually serve in a team. In service we find heaven-sent opportunities to rise above the individualism of our age. Church-directed service helps us overcome the personal selfishness that can retard our spiritual growth.
...
Our members’ religious faith and Church service have taught them how to work in cooperative efforts to benefit the larger community. That kind of experience and development does not happen in the individualism so prevalent in the practices of our current society. In the geographic organization of our local wards, we associate and work with persons we might not otherwise have chosen, persons who teach us and test us.
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... ame=GLOB88

I thought this choice of word was bizarre when I heard it because it seems inappropriate for what he's describing. What he's defining is "atomization", or "isolation", not "individualism" which is defined as the embodiment of individual rights and responsibility.

Now I know why he used it. CRT is going hard-core on trashing individualism and he's a disciples of their dogma. From the new Marxist AMA document:

"Individualism is a philosophy and group of ideas, expressed in symbols, practices, and stories that supports a belief that self-sufficient individuals are rational beings that freely make consumer-like choices, independent of political influences, living conditions or historical context. Among these ideas is the concept of meritocracy, a social system in which advancement in society is based on an individual’s capabilities and merits rather than on the basis of family, wealth or social background. Individualism is problematic in obscuring the dynamics of group domination, especially socioeconomic privilege and racism. In health care, this narrative appears as an over-emphasis on changing individuals and individual behavior instead of the institutional and structural causes of disease."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americ ... ace-theory

Need any more proof our leaders are not simply pushing this for money or to "make friends with Babylon"? They are hard-core perpetrators of cultural Marxism. They are leaders in spreading this Satanic cult.

Isn't it interesting how everything of God relates to individualism and raising each to it's highest form. Ordinances, covenants, revelation, blessings...etc, all are individual based. The individual is paramount to God's plan. God has put a pattern in ALL things so we won't be deceived. It's time people start recognizing those patterns for themselves.

[nightlight]

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

[whitesalamander]

"Isn't it interesting how everything of God relates to individualism and raising each to it's highest form. Ordinances, covenants, revelation, blessings...etc, all are individual based. The individual is paramount to God's plan. God has put a pattern in ALL things so we won't be deceived. It's time people start recognizing those patterns for themselves."

This poster needs to view Jeffrey Thayne's presentation given at this years FAIR conference, "FAIR Conference Podcast #64 – Jeffrey Thayne, “Worldview Apologetics: Revealing the Waters in Which We Swim." I think the poster would be surprised at how Mormon apologetics views individualism. Mr. Thayne's presentation presents the Mormon worldview as being definitely anti-capitalist and could be argued, even beyond Marxism. What his Mormon worldview sounded like to me resembled more of a North Korean type regime. He even parroted Mr. Oaks recent speech in his conclusion. If you think Mormonism, and by association, it's worldview and doctrine is individualistic, your are definitely out of step with your dogma.

As an aside, your comments about CRT is a red-herring. It has nothing to do with your argument.

[Chip]

"Isn't it interesting how everything of God relates to individualism and raising each to it's highest form. Ordinances, covenants, revelation, blessings...etc, all are individual based. The individual is paramount to God's plan. God has put a pattern in ALL things so we won't be deceived. It's time people start recognizing those patterns for themselves."

This poster needs to view Jeffrey Thayne's presentation given at this years FAIR conference, "FAIR Conference Podcast #64 – Jeffrey Thayne, “Worldview Apologetics: Revealing the Waters in Which We Swim." I think the poster would be surprised at how Mormon apologetics views individualism. Mr. Thayne's presentation presents the Mormon worldview as being definitely anti-capitalist and could be argued, even beyond Marxism. What his Mormon worldview sounded like to me resembled more of a North Korean type regime. He even parroted Mr. Oaks recent speech in his conclusion. If you think Mormonism, and by association, it's worldview and doctrine is individualistic, your are definitely out of step with your dogma.

As an aside, your comments about CRT is a red-herring. It has nothing to do with your argument.

Just run the mental simulation. How would the church govern if it were in control?

It would be autocratic and unassailable. You would be encouraged to gain a testimony that whatever it does is correct. Your local leader would take strict orders from the man just above him, and so on, up the chain, because to do otherwise would be suicide. It would absolutely suck. Of course, that's not how it is supposed to work, but that's how it's working nowadays.

[TrueFaith]

This statement by Oaks, when you ponder it, is just false on its face:

"Our members’ religious faith and Church service have taught them how to work in cooperative efforts to benefit the larger community. That kind of experience and development does not happen in the individualism so prevalent in the practices of our current society. In the geographic organization of our local wards, we associate and work with persons we might not otherwise have chosen, persons who teach us and test us."

Joseph Smith could have never even established any church at all if not for individualism: the right to assemble, the right of association, and the right of religious practice. Individualism creates an environment where cooperative effort can thrive. Communist societies hinder cooperation because they force people together who do not and cannot work together effectively.

The United States of America Constitution was founded on the bedrock of individualism. God instituted this program so His Church could be restored. Oaks' ideas couldn't be further from the truth, nothing would have succeeded in this Church without individualism.

This is just blatant Communism. It always sounds good on paper, but it never, ever works in practice. These kind of societies always fall apart, and our country is falling apart now because of this Satanic medical marxism and critical race theory so prevalent now in our schools, churches, and governments.

[Sirius]

"Isn't it interesting how everything of God relates to individualism and raising each to it's highest form. Ordinances, covenants, revelation, blessings...etc, all are individual based. The individual is paramount to God's plan. God has put a pattern in ALL things so we won't be deceived. It's time people start recognizing those patterns for themselves."

This poster needs to view Jeffrey Thayne's presentation given at this years FAIR conference, "FAIR Conference Podcast #64 – Jeffrey Thayne, “Worldview Apologetics: Revealing the Waters in Which We Swim." I think the poster would be surprised at how Mormon apologetics views individualism. Mr. Thayne's presentation presents the Mormon worldview as being definitely anti-capitalist and could be argued, even beyond Marxism. What his Mormon worldview sounded like to me resembled more of a North Korean type regime. He even parroted Mr. Oaks recent speech in his conclusion. If you think Mormonism, and by association, it's worldview and doctrine is individualistic, your are definitely out of step with your dogma.

As an aside, your comments about CRT is a red-herring. It has nothing to do with your argument.

I see franklin is back. lucky us

[TrueFaith]

"Isn't it interesting how everything of God relates to individualism and raising each to it's highest form. Ordinances, covenants, revelation, blessings...etc, all are individual based. The individual is paramount to God's plan. God has put a pattern in ALL things so we won't be deceived. It's time people start recognizing those patterns for themselves."

This poster needs to view Jeffrey Thayne's presentation given at this years FAIR conference, "FAIR Conference Podcast #64 – Jeffrey Thayne, “Worldview Apologetics: Revealing the Waters in Which We Swim." I think the poster would be surprised at how Mormon apologetics views individualism. Mr. Thayne's presentation presents the Mormon worldview as being definitely anti-capitalist and could be argued, even beyond Marxism. What his Mormon worldview sounded like to me resembled more of a North Korean type regime. He even parroted Mr. Oaks recent speech in his conclusion. If you think Mormonism, and by association, it's worldview and doctrine is individualistic, your are definitely out of step with your dogma.

As an aside, your comments about CRT is a red-herring. It has nothing to do with your argument.

This Marxist BS is pretty new in the Church. Go back to Brown, McKay, Smith, Benson, and most others in the 20th century. They were open and very explicitly against Communism, Marxism, Socialism and all the rest of it. They said you could not even be saved if you were supporting these things.

And they were absolutely right.

This crap is all Luciferian. You cannot have Satan's politics and Christ's religion at the same time.

As for your last sentence, go read the AMA PDF from the Fox News link. You can download it right there. They go hard in support of anti-racism in the document (Anti-Racism is code word for Satanic Critical Race Theory).

Fundamentally it's all based on the idea of shared responsibility. IE, you are in charge of someone else's safety, feelings, poverty, and morality. CRT, vaccine mandates, wealth redistribution, are all branches in that tree.