My parents are driving me from the faith I once loved.

[Althea]

Trust in the Holy Ghost and in the word of God in the scriptures and by the mouth of Joseph Smith.

If a "spirit" tells you something that contradicts these things, then this "spirit" is a false one.

Wow. This is blind allegiance. How can the Spirit be wrong if you humbly ask the Lord for answers? I believe He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It is an incorrect assumption to believe that the Lord would only answer the questions of some with truthfulness and guide others astray. Above all else I would advise the OP to listen to the Spirit, confirm his/her answers with Father, then act upon that revelation if it indeed came from the Spirit. Blind allegiance to the arm of the flesh will only lead you to death.

[Bronco73idi]

You must have missed general conference.

I watched most of it. Didn't see or hear anything related to what the people in the great and spacious building are doing. Do you know know what the scriptures say about the great and spacious building?

I think Nephi was on to something. Great and Spacious = Fine Sanctuaries. Yep, I agree with him.

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

They are laughing and mocking, it is a course of the world. What is the church today, of god or the world?

Almost all of the talks in last conference pointed to Nelson, they pointed very little to the lord. Reminds me of the Catholics, you get to the lord through Nelson. What did Paul say?

1 Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

I just wish they would speak of our lord and savior, they don’t need to tell people what Nelson did to show us that he is OMAS. Abraham Lincoln didn’t introduce himself as “honest Abe”

[LDS Watchman]

I watched most of it. Didn't see or hear anything related to what the people in the great and spacious building are doing. Do you know know what the scriptures say about the great and spacious building?

I think Nephi was on to something. Great and Spacious = Fine Sanctuaries. Yep, I agree with him.

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

Wearing expensive clothing? Haha...
Dude, I know all about the parable. I know where you are going with it. Stop hinting. I get it. The church is off its rocker man. They are the epitome of Isaiah 56:10.

What else are the people in the building doing?

[LDS Watchman]

Trust in the Holy Ghost and in the word of God in the scriptures and by the mouth of Joseph Smith.

If a "spirit" tells you something that contradicts these things, then this "spirit" is a false one.

Wow. This is blind allegiance. How can the Spirit be wrong if you humbly ask the Lord for answers? I believe He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It is an incorrect assumption to believe that the Lord would only answer the questions of some with truthfulness and guide others astray. Above all else I would advise the OP to listen to the Spirit, confirm his/her answers with Father, then act upon that revelation if it indeed came from the Spirit. Blind allegiance to the arm of the flesh will only lead you to death.

There are many false spirits. You have to test them and one way to do that is to compare what they say against what the scriptures and teachings of Joseph Smith say.

[LDS Watchman]

I watched most of it. Didn't see or hear anything related to what the people in the great and spacious building are doing. Do you know know what the scriptures say about the great and spacious building?

I think Nephi was on to something. Great and Spacious = Fine Sanctuaries. Yep, I agree with him.

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

They are laughing and mocking, it is a course of the world. What is the church today, of god or the world?

Almost all of the talks in last conference pointed to Nelson, they pointed very little to the lord. Reminds me of the Catholics, you get to the lord through Nelson. What did Paul say?

1 Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

I just wish they would speak of our lord and savior, they don’t need to tell people what Nelson did to show us that he is OMAS. Abraham Lincoln didn’t introduce himself as “honest Abe”

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

But they are certainly being laughed at and mocked by many.

[Althea]

Trust in the Holy Ghost and in the word of God in the scriptures and by the mouth of Joseph Smith.

If a "spirit" tells you something that contradicts these things, then this "spirit" is a false one.

Wow. This is blind allegiance. How can the Spirit be wrong if you humbly ask the Lord for answers? I believe He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It is an incorrect assumption to believe that the Lord would only answer the questions of some with truthfulness and guide others astray. Above all else I would advise the OP to listen to the Spirit, confirm his/her answers with Father, then act upon that revelation if it indeed came from the Spirit. Blind allegiance to the arm of the flesh will only lead you to death.

There are many false spirits. You have to test them and one way to do that is to compare what they say against what the scriptures and teachings of Joseph Smith say.

Yes, you are correct. I agree with your statement. However, even unholy spirits are bound by eternal laws. If we are meek and lowly in heart, we can pray to the Father to provide us with truth. Once we receive those answers, we must then confirm with Father that they indeed come from Him. The issue is, the adversary will fill us with fear to keep us from seeking truth. We then conflate the adversary's feelings with incorrect answers from the Spirit and think that we are being led astray when the Spirit is actually trying to confirm truth. We have to be careful in discerning that still, small voice. It takes practice. I speak from experience. I'm not new to this. In the church we have taught too many people to be scared to ask tough questions because we're not worthy or because only great men or men in the past are allowed to receive divine counsel from God. That is a false doctrine. The OP is equally able to receive counsel from Father or Christ just as simply as the Brethren.

[randomperson101]

It is interesting to me that you say you are being driven from your faith, but everything you referenced had to do with the church itself.

Perhaps your faith has been in an institution and not properly placed where it should be? Remember that the church is simply a tool meant to help point you to Christ. But often the tool becomes the object of our faith because it is so tangible and present. And because the tool becomes so important, there is potential for it to be used by conspiring men to exert power and control.

Put your faith in Christ. Study the scriptures and the teachings of Joseph. Then study the teachings of the church since then. Discard anything that doesn't coincide with those sources unless given as revelation. Then prayerfully consider that new revelation. Apply the principles you learn from this study to any new situation that arises. Always involve prayer, fasting, and the Spirit.

Well, with the church also comes a lot of doctrine that can really only be done in the church. The main of which is the temple & the covenants that we make therein. If the church is false, then how would any of the covenants inside of the temple be true? Especially considering the fact that yes, there have been updates and changes since the time of Joseph Smith?

The church also has a lot of the missionary work. Like I said, I just served a mission that declares that we have a living prophet on the earth who has called me here... If that's not true... sure, I served people, but is that really what the Lord wanted me to do? Or was it in service of a false church

These are just a few things that come to mind. Of course Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring about my salvation in the end, but is the path clear without the church? That's where I have doubts.

[Althea]

I think Nephi was on to something. Great and Spacious = Fine Sanctuaries. Yep, I agree with him.

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

They are laughing and mocking, it is a course of the world. What is the church today, of god or the world?

Almost all of the talks in last conference pointed to Nelson, they pointed very little to the lord. Reminds me of the Catholics, you get to the lord through Nelson. What did Paul say?

1 Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

I just wish they would speak of our lord and savior, they don’t need to tell people what Nelson did to show us that he is OMAS. Abraham Lincoln didn’t introduce himself as “honest Abe”

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

But they are certainly being laughed at and mocked by many.

I am sorry, but many are. I grew up in Salt Lake City. I know that there are many members who mock those who are humble and trying to do the Lord's will. Specially if they're not wealthy or come from connected families. Our church is filled with vanity and unbelief.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Trust in the Holy Ghost and in the word of God in the scriptures and by the mouth of Joseph Smith.

If a "spirit" tells you something that contradicts these things, then this "spirit" is a false one.

Wow. This is blind allegiance. How can the Spirit be wrong if you humbly ask the Lord for answers? I believe He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It is an incorrect assumption to believe that the Lord would only answer the questions of some with truthfulness and guide others astray. Above all else I would advise the OP to listen to the Spirit, confirm his/her answers with Father, then act upon that revelation if it indeed came from the Spirit. Blind allegiance to the arm of the flesh will only lead you to death.

You are correct, it is blind allegiance. It's quite cult-like. I have no idea how some justify this type of thinking, as it rids us of a need for the Spirit at all. Satanic doctrine, that you must follow a man's counsel no matter what. Even if it was Joseph. Christ taught against this, it's a very simple principle. Oh well, some people like their sacred cows.

If you must ask the Spirit solely for a CONFIRMATION of someone's words, and anything contrary to that is false, then they are your god. There is no need for the Spirit if they cannot lead you astray.

#notsorryatticus #followtheprophet

[Gadianton Slayer]

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

Wow. Bold claim. That's a pretty big rock you've been under, or maybe you've just got some of these on:

[Reluctant Watchman]

I think Nephi was on to something. Great and Spacious = Fine Sanctuaries. Yep, I agree with him.

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

Wearing expensive clothing? Haha...
Dude, I know all about the parable. I know where you are going with it. Stop hinting. I get it. The church is off its rocker man. They are the epitome of Isaiah 56:10.

What else are the people in the building doing?

I don't know, you tell me Lord Atticus. For some reason, many of the Saints have also lost their sense of humor.

[Althea]

It is interesting to me that you say you are being driven from your faith, but everything you referenced had to do with the church itself.

Perhaps your faith has been in an institution and not properly placed where it should be? Remember that the church is simply a tool meant to help point you to Christ. But often the tool becomes the object of our faith because it is so tangible and present. And because the tool becomes so important, there is potential for it to be used by conspiring men to exert power and control.

Put your faith in Christ. Study the scriptures and the teachings of Joseph. Then study the teachings of the church since then. Discard anything that doesn't coincide with those sources unless given as revelation. Then prayerfully consider that new revelation. Apply the principles you learn from this study to any new situation that arises. Always involve prayer, fasting, and the Spirit.

Well, with the church also comes a lot of doctrine that can really only be done in the church. The main of which is the temple & the covenants that we make therein. If the church is false, then how would any of the covenants inside of the temple be true? Especially considering the fact that yes, there have been updates and changes since the time of Joseph Smith?

The church also has a lot of the missionary work. Like I said, I just served a mission that declares that we have a living prophet on the earth who has called me here... If that's not true... sure, I served people, but is that really what the Lord wanted me to do? Or was it in service of a false church

These are just a few things that come to mind. Of course Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring about my salvation in the end, but is the path clear without the church? That's where I have doubts.

I can tell you from personal experience, the path is very clear. If you seek the Lord, the Lord will find you. He will provide you with the answers you seek. I speak from experience. I, like you, began this journey a few months ago. I prayed to Father that He would uncover all false doctrine in my life and allow me to leave behind anything that did not coincide with the Lord's Doctrine. It was not easy. Quite frankly, it was heartbreaking. But I continued on my journey and the Lord has been merciful. He has answered so many of my questions. More than I ever imagined. With these answers came peace and understanding. I still attend church on Sundays because the Spirit told me that I must. It is not easy to attend when I see so many people blindly following our leaders and not exercising their right to ask Father for further light and knowledge. I asked Father why I had been so blessed with so much knowledge recently. He responded that it was simply because I had asked. How merciful is that? I asked, and He provided answers. My faith in Him and in Christ have grown more than ever in these last few months and I have been a member my whole life. I understand the BOM in a way that I never did before. It feels like the illusion has shattered and a new picture has formed. It is absolutely beautiful and amazing to know Christ this way. I can only imagine what additional blessings are in store as I continue seeking Him.

[Serragon]

It is interesting to me that you say you are being driven from your faith, but everything you referenced had to do with the church itself.

Perhaps your faith has been in an institution and not properly placed where it should be? Remember that the church is simply a tool meant to help point you to Christ. But often the tool becomes the object of our faith because it is so tangible and present. And because the tool becomes so important, there is potential for it to be used by conspiring men to exert power and control.

Put your faith in Christ. Study the scriptures and the teachings of Joseph. Then study the teachings of the church since then. Discard anything that doesn't coincide with those sources unless given as revelation. Then prayerfully consider that new revelation. Apply the principles you learn from this study to any new situation that arises. Always involve prayer, fasting, and the Spirit.

Well, with the church also comes a lot of doctrine that can really only be done in the church. The main of which is the temple & the covenants that we make therein. If the church is false, then how would any of the covenants inside of the temple be true? Especially considering the fact that yes, there have been updates and changes since the time of Joseph Smith?

The church also has a lot of the missionary work. Like I said, I just served a mission that declares that we have a living prophet on the earth who has called me here... If that's not true... sure, I served people, but is that really what the Lord wanted me to do? Or was it in service of a false church

These are just a few things that come to mind. Of course Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring about my salvation in the end, but is the path clear without the church? That's where I have doubts.

The church isn't false and it isn't true. It has elements of both.

Inspiration still occurs. You very well could have been called by the Spirit to server where you did. My experience of being in leadership for many years is that there a a few times where the Lord really cares about what calling or assignment someone is given and makes it abundantly clear. But most of the time the Lord really doesn't care where you go are what calling you have. He is most concerned about what you do with the assignment you have been given.

Temple covenants are done through the priesthood, not the church. Those covenants are one of those things you should study and compare to what is in the scriptures and what Joseph taught. The latest changes to the temple covenants are very concerning to me as we have changed fundamental doctrine instead of the delivery mechanism. But I still think there is value and truth in the covenants we make in the temple, and that we still have priesthood authority here on the earth. Pres. Nelson does not need to be a prophet for continue to administer those ordinances. But if he is not a prophet, he has no business altering the covenants we make there.

[LDS Watchman]

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

Wearing expensive clothing? Haha...
Dude, I know all about the parable. I know where you are going with it. Stop hinting. I get it. The church is off its rocker man. They are the epitome of Isaiah 56:10.

What else are the people in the building doing?

I don't know, you tell me Lord Atticus. For some reason, many of the Saints have also lost their sense of humor.

What are the people in the building doing Reluctant?

[Gadianton Slayer]

What are the people in the building doing Reluctant?

He's reluctant, to tell you.

[LDS Watchman]

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

Wow. Bold claim. That's a pretty big rock you've been under, or maybe you've just got some of these on:

Are you trying to prove my point?

[Gadianton Slayer]

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

Wow. Bold claim. That's a pretty big rock you've been under, or maybe you've just got some of these on:

Are you trying to prove my point?

What did I say that was inaccurate? You are either under or a rock or have intentional blinders on to only see what you want. I can go back and find all of the messages from my "believing" family members that are pretty nasty. Or my old bishop who told me I have no life experience. Or the supposed church history buff who claimed I'm going to Hell and look at pornography. Or several of my missionary friends, you know... the representatives of Christ, who have said some crappy things to me. All because I'm sharing ideas and teachings in the scriptures that contradict the beliefs they've held onto their entire lives. Stepped right on the sacred cow, and it shows.

No, the "believing" members are worse than mocking at times.

[Bronco73idi]

I think Nephi was on to something. Great and Spacious = Fine Sanctuaries. Yep, I agree with him.

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

They are laughing and mocking, it is a course of the world. What is the church today, of god or the world?

Almost all of the talks in last conference pointed to Nelson, they pointed very little to the lord. Reminds me of the Catholics, you get to the lord through Nelson. What did Paul say?

1 Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

I just wish they would speak of our lord and savior, they don’t need to tell people what Nelson did to show us that he is OMAS. Abraham Lincoln didn’t introduce himself as “honest Abe”

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

But they are certainly being laughed at and mocked by many.

Your words are mocking me, I go to the LDS church still. I think most people are clueless to what they are really saying or reading. Isaiah and the lord said our leaders where going to fail. The lord didn’t agree with the ones who ran the temple but he still went. We should strive to be dirt, moveable and moldable

[1775peasant]

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

Wow. Bold claim. That's a pretty big rock you've been under, or maybe you've just got some of these on:

Are you trying to prove my point?

What did I say that was inaccurate? You are either under or a rock or have intentional blinders on to only see what you want. I can go back and find all of the messages from my "believing" family members that are pretty nasty. Or my old bishop who told me I have no life experience. Or the supposed church history buff who claimed I'm going to Hell and look at pornography. Or several of my missionary friends, you know... the representatives of Christ, who have said some crappy things to me. All because I'm sharing ideas and teachings in the scriptures that contradict the beliefs they've held onto their entire lives. Stepped right on the sacred cow, and it shows.

No, the "believing" members are worse than mocking at times.

and this whole plandemic has really given them a large soap box, eh?

where would the Church be without the self-righteous, high brow all knowing authoritarians?

closer to the straight & narrow perhaps?

[Serragon]

We should strive to be dirt, moveable and moldable

Ahh! That explains why Jello is an official church treat!

[Gadianton Slayer]

Wow. Bold claim. That's a pretty big rock you've been under, or maybe you've just got some of these on:

Are you trying to prove my point?

What did I say that was inaccurate? You are either under or a rock or have intentional blinders on to only see what you want. I can go back and find all of the messages from my "believing" family members that are pretty nasty. Or my old bishop who told me I have no life experience. Or the supposed church history buff who claimed I'm going to Hell and look at pornography. Or several of my missionary friends, you know... the representatives of Christ, who have said some crappy things to me. All because I'm sharing ideas and teachings in the scriptures that contradict the beliefs they've held onto their entire lives. Stepped right on the sacred cow, and it shows.

No, the "believing" members are worse than mocking at times.

and this whole plandemic has really given them a large soap box, eh?

where would the Church be without the self-righteous, high brow all knowing authoritarians?

closer to the straight & narrow perhaps?

The self-righteousness derived from mask-wearing and getting the shot is astounding. It’s not everyone, but there are a lot.

Apparently Renlund got it wrong when he said wearing a mask is a sign of Christ-like love, it’s really a sign of your worthiness.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Wearing expensive clothing? Haha...
Dude, I know all about the parable. I know where you are going with it. Stop hinting. I get it. The church is off its rocker man. They are the epitome of Isaiah 56:10.

What else are the people in the building doing?

I don't know, you tell me Lord Atticus. For some reason, many of the Saints have also lost their sense of humor.

What are the people in the building doing Reluctant?

They are being reluctant? Oh, they are mocking God by distorting His doctrine. Gotcha. Glad we got that cleared up. Thanks Atti.

[LDS Watchman]

Read what it says about the people in the building. What are the people in the building doing?

They are laughing and mocking, it is a course of the world. What is the church today, of god or the world?

Almost all of the talks in last conference pointed to Nelson, they pointed very little to the lord. Reminds me of the Catholics, you get to the lord through Nelson. What did Paul say?

1 Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

I just wish they would speak of our lord and savior, they don’t need to tell people what Nelson did to show us that he is OMAS. Abraham Lincoln didn’t introduce himself as “honest Abe”

The believing members of the Lord's church are not laughing at and mocking those who are trying to press forward on the straight and narrow path.

But they are certainly being laughed at and mocked by many.

Your words are mocking me, I go to the LDS church still. I think most people are clueless to what they are really saying or reading. Isaiah and the lord said our leaders where going to fail. The lord didn’t agree with the ones who ran the temple but he still went. We should strive to be dirt, moveable and moldable

How were my words mocking you?

[LDS Watchman]

What else are the people in the building doing?

I don't know, you tell me Lord Atticus. For some reason, many of the Saints have also lost their sense of humor.

What are the people in the building doing Reluctant?

They are being reluctant? Oh, they are mocking God by distorting His doctrine. Gotcha. Glad we got that cleared up. Thanks Atti.

No Reluctant, it doesn't say the people in the building are mocking God. Who does it say they are mocking?

[iWriteStuff]

I seem to recall a question being asked by the OP, but darned if I can remember it now....