My parents are driving me from the faith I once loved.

[LDS Watchman]

Do you know what it means to mock?

The member aren't perfect and there are lots of tares doing all sorts of wicked things, including mocking those who are trying to do what's right. But by and large the true believing members of the church are not mocking people for trying to follow the straight and narrow path. Reluctant Watchman's charge of the church being the great and spacious building is a ridiculous charge to make.

When you ask a question like "do you know what it means to mock?", It is condescending. It is automatically setting yourself up as better than me. It's as if you think I don't know what "To Mock" means.

Condescending: : showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others
Superior: : affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious
Superlicious: : coolly and patronizingly haughty
Haughty: : blatantly and disdainfully proud : having or showing an attitude of superiority and contempt for people or things perceived to be inferior
Disdain: : a feeling of contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior

Here I'll use the dictionary to show how what I've listed out are examples of mocking: To Mock : to treat with contempt or ridicule

Contempt: the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises

Despise: : to look down on with disrespect or aversion despised the weak
2 : to regard as negligible, worthless, or distasteful

Disrespect: : low regard or esteem for someone or something : lack of respect

Ridicule: the act of ridiculing: to make fun of

Derision: : the use of ridicule or scorn to show contempt

Scorn: : open dislike and disrespect or mockery often mixed with indignation
2 : an expression of contempt or derision

Finally I never said the members were perfect. I said most who claim to be Christians are terrible Christians - why? Because they have "haughty" necks - what does Haughty mean, I will requote it: blatantly and disdainfully proud : having or showing an attitude of superiority and contempt for people or things perceived to be inferior We are constantly seeking our own rather than His own. We seek our own life and not His.
. We can not help but parade around our beliefs without being haughty. We are constantly patting ourselves on the back for being a part of the "one true church" If ther eare members in the church and thye don't follow our ways we call them "tares" again implying that we are the wheat and therefore we are superior, that they are not "worthy." This isn't just among the LDS it is everywhere, but it is very prominent in our church. Like I said, we need to check our selves and repent.

I don't consider any of the things you mentioned to be examples of members of the Lord's church mocking those who are trying to follow the straight and narrow path. So if you think what you described is mocking, I don't think you know what it means to mock someone. Which is why I asked if you know what it means.

There's also a difference between being haughty and mocking people.

You're honestly going to say that right after I literally listed out all the definitions?

You in Good conscience can't see someone making fun of someone else because they wear different clothes on sunday as not mocking them? Or mocking somoene as "peter preisthood" or as a "jack mormon." Or making fun of them because they don't watch TV? Especially if where those members are at, it is what they believe they need to do to live authentically before the LOrd? Or running away from someone in the hall and later joking about it with someone else because that person is "awkward" or "smells?

Yes, I'm completely serious.

How often do these things happen? Perhaps by a few immature youth here and there. Certainly not the majority of active youth and definitely not by the adults. I honestly can't recall seeing any of these things happen.

I've never seen someone made fun of for not watching T.V. or being called "Peter Priesthood." Which are the only items on your list that could be construed as mocking someone for trying to hold to the iron rod.

Not saying that none of these things ever happen, but in my experience they rarely if ever happen. There definitely isn't widespread mocking of those who are trying to keep the commandments by active believing members of the church.

[LDS Watchman]

When you ask a question like "do you know what it means to mock?", It is condescending. It is automatically setting yourself up as better than me. It's as if you think I don't know what "To Mock" means.

Condescending: : showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others
Superior: : affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious
Superlicious: : coolly and patronizingly haughty
Haughty: : blatantly and disdainfully proud : having or showing an attitude of superiority and contempt for people or things perceived to be inferior
Disdain: : a feeling of contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior

Here I'll use the dictionary to show how what I've listed out are examples of mocking: To Mock : to treat with contempt or ridicule

Contempt: the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises

Despise: : to look down on with disrespect or aversion despised the weak
2 : to regard as negligible, worthless, or distasteful

Disrespect: : low regard or esteem for someone or something : lack of respect

Ridicule: the act of ridiculing: to make fun of

Derision: : the use of ridicule or scorn to show contempt

Scorn: : open dislike and disrespect or mockery often mixed with indignation
2 : an expression of contempt or derision

Finally I never said the members were perfect. I said most who claim to be Christians are terrible Christians - why? Because they have "haughty" necks - what does Haughty mean, I will requote it: blatantly and disdainfully proud : having or showing an attitude of superiority and contempt for people or things perceived to be inferior We are constantly seeking our own rather than His own. We seek our own life and not His.
. We can not help but parade around our beliefs without being haughty. We are constantly patting ourselves on the back for being a part of the "one true church" If ther eare members in the church and thye don't follow our ways we call them "tares" again implying that we are the wheat and therefore we are superior, that they are not "worthy." This isn't just among the LDS it is everywhere, but it is very prominent in our church. Like I said, we need to check our selves and repent.

I don't consider any of the things you mentioned to be examples of members of the Lord's church mocking those who are trying to follow the straight and narrow path. So if you think what you described is mocking, I don't think you know what it means to mock someone. Which is why I asked if you know what it means.

There's also a difference between being haughty and mocking people.

You're honestly going to say that right after I literally listed out all the definitions?

You in Good conscience can't see someone making fun of someone else because they wear different clothes on sunday as not mocking them? Or mocking somoene as "peter preisthood" or as a "jack mormon." Or making fun of them because they don't watch TV? Especially if where those members are at, it is what they believe they need to do to live authentically before the LOrd? Or running away from someone in the hall and later joking about it with someone else because that person is "awkward" or "smells?

If 'believing' members are actively mocking others... then they could possibly be those in the spacious building. Now, we absolutely can't have that, can we? Once people establish certain core beliefs and are unwilling to change them, nothing else matters. It's the domino effect...

"The 'church' is true, so B, C, and D are also true, and anything that contradicts is wrong because I know the church is true."

Holland gave a talk using this logic, saying that because the BoM is true that Joseph was a prophet aaaaand all the way to the current leaders. Dominos.

Because the Book of Mormon and D&C are true and Joseph Smith was a true prophet, the church is the Lord's only true church upon the face of the whole earth. It is the kingdom of God on earth and it will not fail.

This is true, not because of the domino effect, but rather because the Book of Mormon, D&C, and Joseph Smith all said this is the case.

[Gadianton Slayer]

I don't consider any of the things you mentioned to be examples of members of the Lord's church mocking those who are trying to follow the straight and narrow path. So if you think what you described is mocking, I don't think you know what it means to mock someone. Which is why I asked if you know what it means.

There's also a difference between being haughty and mocking people.

You're honestly going to say that right after I literally listed out all the definitions?

You in Good conscience can't see someone making fun of someone else because they wear different clothes on sunday as not mocking them? Or mocking somoene as "peter preisthood" or as a "jack mormon." Or making fun of them because they don't watch TV? Especially if where those members are at, it is what they believe they need to do to live authentically before the LOrd? Or running away from someone in the hall and later joking about it with someone else because that person is "awkward" or "smells?

If 'believing' members are actively mocking others... then they could possibly be those in the spacious building. Now, we absolutely can't have that, can we? Once people establish certain core beliefs and are unwilling to change them, nothing else matters. It's the domino effect...

"The 'church' is true, so B, C, and D are also true, and anything that contradicts is wrong because I know the church is true."

Holland gave a talk using this logic, saying that because the BoM is true that Joseph was a prophet aaaaand all the way to the current leaders. Dominos.

Because the Book of Mormon and D&C are true and Joseph Smith was a true prophet, the church is the Lord's only true church upon the face of the whole earth. It is the kingdom of God on earth and it will not fail.

This is true, not because of the domino effect, but rather because the Book of Mormon, D&C, and Joseph Smith all said this is the case.

True... according to your biased interpretation, which we have already discussed in various threads. Neither you nor I will convince one another of anything, I will engage in conversation solely as a witness of what I know is true so that others may make a decision of their own with the direction of the Spirit.

[LDS Watchman]

You're honestly going to say that right after I literally listed out all the definitions?

You in Good conscience can't see someone making fun of someone else because they wear different clothes on sunday as not mocking them? Or mocking somoene as "peter preisthood" or as a "jack mormon." Or making fun of them because they don't watch TV? Especially if where those members are at, it is what they believe they need to do to live authentically before the LOrd? Or running away from someone in the hall and later joking about it with someone else because that person is "awkward" or "smells?

If 'believing' members are actively mocking others... then they could possibly be those in the spacious building. Now, we absolutely can't have that, can we? Once people establish certain core beliefs and are unwilling to change them, nothing else matters. It's the domino effect...

"The 'church' is true, so B, C, and D are also true, and anything that contradicts is wrong because I know the church is true."

Holland gave a talk using this logic, saying that because the BoM is true that Joseph was a prophet aaaaand all the way to the current leaders. Dominos.

Because the Book of Mormon and D&C are true and Joseph Smith was a true prophet, the church is the Lord's only true church upon the face of the whole earth. It is the kingdom of God on earth and it will not fail.

This is true, not because of the domino effect, but rather because the Book of Mormon, D&C, and Joseph Smith all said this is the case.

True... according to your biased interpretation, which we have already discussed in various threads. Neither you nor I will convince one another of anything, I will engage in conversation solely as a witness of what I know is true so that others may make a decision of their own with the direction of the Spirit.

How is my interpretation biased? I simply believe what the Book of Mormon, D&C, and Joseph Smith combined say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its divine destiny.

Now, if I tossed out all scriptures and statements by Joseph Smith that didn't fit what I wanted to believe, then I would most certainly be biased.

[Gadianton Slayer]

How is my interpretation biased? I simply believe what the Book of Mormon, D&C, and Joseph Smith combined say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its divine destiny.

[Alexander]

Wait... so there actually are tares within the visible church? You mean, earlier when I said there was a distinction between those actually of the Lord and those of the Devil within the church, it wasn’t just some baseless theory as I was told?

[LDS Watchman]

Wait... so there actually are tares within the visible church? You mean, earlier when I said there was a distinction between those actually of the Lord and those of the Devil within the church, it wasn’t just some baseless theory as I was told?

Is that what you were told? Of course there are both righteous and wicked in the church. I never said there wasn't.

But there isn't a physical church of God and then secret spiritual one completely separate and unrelated to the physical one. That is a baseless theory which cannot be supported from the scriptures and teachings of Joseph Smith.

[Gadianton Slayer]

[LDS Watchman]

I actually do have a sense of humor. I just don't find critics and fault finders of the Lord's church funny. Not my kind of humor I guess.

[John Tavner]

When you ask a question like "do you know what it means to mock?", It is condescending. It is automatically setting yourself up as better than me. It's as if you think I don't know what "To Mock" means.

Condescending: : showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others
Superior: : affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious
Superlicious: : coolly and patronizingly haughty
Haughty: : blatantly and disdainfully proud : having or showing an attitude of superiority and contempt for people or things perceived to be inferior
Disdain: : a feeling of contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior

Here I'll use the dictionary to show how what I've listed out are examples of mocking: To Mock : to treat with contempt or ridicule

Contempt: the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises

Despise: : to look down on with disrespect or aversion despised the weak
2 : to regard as negligible, worthless, or distasteful

Disrespect: : low regard or esteem for someone or something : lack of respect

Ridicule: the act of ridiculing: to make fun of

Derision: : the use of ridicule or scorn to show contempt

Scorn: : open dislike and disrespect or mockery often mixed with indignation
2 : an expression of contempt or derision

Finally I never said the members were perfect. I said most who claim to be Christians are terrible Christians - why? Because they have "haughty" necks - what does Haughty mean, I will requote it: blatantly and disdainfully proud : having or showing an attitude of superiority and contempt for people or things perceived to be inferior We are constantly seeking our own rather than His own. We seek our own life and not His.
. We can not help but parade around our beliefs without being haughty. We are constantly patting ourselves on the back for being a part of the "one true church" If ther eare members in the church and thye don't follow our ways we call them "tares" again implying that we are the wheat and therefore we are superior, that they are not "worthy." This isn't just among the LDS it is everywhere, but it is very prominent in our church. Like I said, we need to check our selves and repent.

I don't consider any of the things you mentioned to be examples of members of the Lord's church mocking those who are trying to follow the straight and narrow path. So if you think what you described is mocking, I don't think you know what it means to mock someone. Which is why I asked if you know what it means.

There's also a difference between being haughty and mocking people.

You're honestly going to say that right after I literally listed out all the definitions?

You in Good conscience can't see someone making fun of someone else because they wear different clothes on sunday as not mocking them? Or mocking somoene as "peter preisthood" or as a "jack mormon." Or making fun of them because they don't watch TV? Especially if where those members are at, it is what they believe they need to do to live authentically before the LOrd? Or running away from someone in the hall and later joking about it with someone else because that person is "awkward" or "smells?

Yes, I'm completely serious.

How often do these things happen? Perhaps by a few immature youth here and there. Certainly not the majority of active youth and definitely not by the adults. I honestly can't recall seeing any of these things happen.

I've never seen someone made fun of for not watching T.V. or being called "Peter Priesthood." Which are the only items on your list that could be construed as mocking someone for trying to hold to the iron rod.

Not saying that none of these things ever happen, but in my experience they rarely if ever happen. There definitely isn't widespread mocking of those who are trying to keep the commandments by active believing members of the church.

Your story is already changing. So with that, I bid you adieu.

[LDS Watchman]

I don't consider any of the things you mentioned to be examples of members of the Lord's church mocking those who are trying to follow the straight and narrow path. So if you think what you described is mocking, I don't think you know what it means to mock someone. Which is why I asked if you know what it means.

There's also a difference between being haughty and mocking people.

You're honestly going to say that right after I literally listed out all the definitions?

You in Good conscience can't see someone making fun of someone else because they wear different clothes on sunday as not mocking them? Or mocking somoene as "peter preisthood" or as a "jack mormon." Or making fun of them because they don't watch TV? Especially if where those members are at, it is what they believe they need to do to live authentically before the LOrd? Or running away from someone in the hall and later joking about it with someone else because that person is "awkward" or "smells?

Yes, I'm completely serious.

How often do these things happen? Perhaps by a few immature youth here and there. Certainly not the majority of active youth and definitely not by the adults. I honestly can't recall seeing any of these things happen.

I've never seen someone made fun of for not watching T.V. or being called "Peter Priesthood." Which are the only items on your list that could be construed as mocking someone for trying to hold to the iron rod.

Not saying that none of these things ever happen, but in my experience they rarely if ever happen. There definitely isn't widespread mocking of those who are trying to keep the commandments by active believing members of the church.

Your story is already changing. So with that, I bid you adieu.

No, my story isn't changing. But I understand why you don't want to continue this conversation.