What do you guys know about hiding sexual abuse in the LDS church?

[Niemand]

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This really has nothing to do with Hiding sexual abuse but since so many had been commenting on RMN I thought I might share it.
This is an excerpt from RMN's biography. It is talking about the death of his first wife. The story goes that it was un expected since she was in relative good heath for her old age. RMN has been an advocate for Western medicine all his life. He knows what awesome equipment and tools they have to help resuscitate people but he says here that he did not call the paramedics to come and help instead he tried to resuscitate her himself. A young healthy individual could not do CPR on anyone for more than ten minuets without passing out, yet he says he did it more than twenty then he took time out to call a friend for suggestions. This also ignores the fact that CPR is not used to resuscitate people it only keeps blood moving to carry oxygen to the brain. The only way to resuscitate is to use a defibrillator.
He never called the paramedics, if I understand correctly he declared her dead not a coroner. An autopsy was never conducted.
My question is how did she really die? He is a lover of medical system why did he not call for help? As a General Authority they probably have their own paramedics close by.

Yes it is rather odd. In fact, as a trained first aider myself we are instructed to call 999 or ensure that someone else does, as an absolute priority. CPR is practically worthless unless the paramedics are on their way. CPR only keeps blood flowing sufficiently to keep them technically alive until help arrives.
RMN did the wrong thing and had 0% chance of saving his wife.

What are the options?
* He panicked under pressure. (Unlikely for a heart surgeon)
* She let him know she wanted to go soon. (Possible)
* He thought she was too old to save. (Possible)
* He wanted her out of the way. (Horrible if true)

Did she die from an argument they had (causing heart failure)? Or was it just old age?

Whichever one of these it was, he seemed to waste little time in marrying Wendy, which he did about a year later.

[Seeker of Truth]

It seems that the wicked ones have to put things out in plain sight to show their fellow conspirators. in this case he knew that if he put it out there no one would suspect him because of his position In the church. In the last 2 years he has been demonstrating who he really is. It is no wonder that he says that her death nearly un did him. Knowing that I killed the mother of my children would do the same to me.

[Seeker of Truth]

Dantzel died February 12, 2005
RMN married Wendy April 6 2006 (the anniversary of the organization of the church) Was that date coordinated?
My grandpa lived 15+ years alone and the thought of even dating another woman disturbed him. RMN was over it quickly!

[zhang_daqian]

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

I think your language suggests you haven't spent much time in and around the LDS. Yes, most members are good people who sleepwalk through life, but we don't have pastors, and very few chapels have basements. Most of the ones in the UK are on a single floor - I can think of one or two exceptions, Dunfermline has a first floor (that's second floor to Americans), and I remember vaguely Bath does or did (because it was a converted building.) Hyde Park Chapel does, because it is a bespoke design... but those are the exceptions. This is partly due to disabled access issues.

Since the LDS are notorious for building most of their chapels to one or two blueprints - brickwork, spike out the front and single level - wherever they are, basements are conspicuous by their general absence. If abuse is going on, it will rarely be in a basement for that very reason.

Temples maybe, but it is harder to get in and out of a temple without being noticed than a chapel.

Nieman

You should quit while you’re behind.
I was speaking to the poster in familiar language like Ammon did in the Book of Mormon.

I’ve forgotten more about my Mormon Faith that you ever have learned in this life and probably the next.

I know more about Satanic Ritualistic Abuse committed and covered up by the Brethren that you’d be able to comprehend at your present level of understanding.

About 15 -25 per cent of the meeting houses have basements in No America.

Most Temples do, even the SLC Temple did until recently, where witnesses have came forward and testified seeing Tommy Monson as an Apostle eat and cannabalize babies in the 1970s.

There are also stories of Dr and President Russell Nelson performing abortions in that Temple basement. Hmmm..

Interesting they had to rid of that basement in the SLC Temple though, but I digress.

Njb

We are finding this very odd b/c we believe the rumors are causing a dark spirit in the congregation of hiding but we appreciate for you being open to tell us so we can be safe. We researched online to see and we found a letter from a bishop named Glenn Pace of the LDS. He wrote it in a secret manner to the committee strengthening the members. We do concern about the letter becasue bishop Glenn says he met 60 from the congregation who told him about the dark ceremonies that are very violent and perverse and they were forced into and they are all the same ceremonies. You can see the letter here in case some on the message board say we have not researched and say falsely there is no hiding in the church of LDS.

Bishop Glen L. Pace Ritual Satanic Abuse Memo
Memo Page 1
Memo Page 2

And we see in your holy book of mormon are many prophecies about dark ceremonies in the congregation to bind them to Satan. We will study to know the prophecies if they are true. Thank you njb for being open to us when we ask our questions. We do see that president Thomas Monson made an announcement to say all abuse is not from God and we believe this is in the Christian spirit but we do not know if he is practicing the ceremonies also.

[zhang_daqian]

Dantzel died February 12, 2005
RMN married Wendy April 6 2006 (the anniversary of the organization of the church) Was that date coordinated?
My grandpa lived 15+ years alone and the thought of even dating another woman disturbed him. RMN was over it quickly!

Ok Seeker of Truth we will research into it. We do not know why your president russel did not call the government very quickly on a phone to say to them to come help. We are wondering if you are suggesting to say if he was sending message to other dark ceremonies practicers by killing his wife when he did not call the medics to come? We do know in the east they work by dark messages and signs to identify a brother to another if they are in hiding. We do not know if this is true but we will do research to know and pray on the holy book of mormon.

[notjamesbond003.5]

Friend-
President Nelson is one of the dark spirits that has covered up SRA Practices in the LDS Church for decades.
He has participated and covered up for members of the Church and own family.

His minions continue to cover up for him here, wittingly and unwittingly.

That reason alone should cause you to Run to Christ and run from the mainline LDS Church.

Njb

[notjamesbond003.5]

^*poster preceding this post- has been triggered^

Deflection... I called you out because you write like someone who has never been a member of the LDS.

Also if you care about people so much - as you pretend to, stop using stupid words like "triggered". What are you? Thirteen? You can't even get that right either. No doubt these stories are just a source of entertainment for you.

No Einstein-

I was writing to the poster who is Asian and not LDS, that’s why I used the term Pastor and not Bishop, than you inserted yourself into the conversation calling me out on semantics only shows you as a low IQ lazy learning mainstream LDS dolt.

I used Ammon and King Lamoni example where Ammon referred to Heavenly Father as “the Great Spirit” where the LDS culture understands the Father of having a corporal body of resurrected flesh and bones: but you still missed that, fully demonstrating your obtuseness.

Njb

[Niemand]

^*poster preceding this post- has been triggered^

Deflection... I called you out because you write like someone who has never been a member of the LDS.

Also if you care about people so much - as you pretend to, stop using stupid words like "triggered". What are you? Thirteen? You can't even get that right either. No doubt these stories are just a source of entertainment for you.

No Einstein-

I was writing to the poster who is Asian and not LDS, that’s why I used the term Pastor and not Bishop, than you inserted yourself into the conversation calling me out on semantics only shows you as a low IQ lazy learning mainstream LDS dolt.

I used Ammon and King Lamoni example where Ammon referred to Heavenly Father as “the Great Spirit” where the LDS culture understands the Father of having a corporal body of resurrected flesh and bones: but you still missed that, fully demonstrating your obtuseness.

Njb

I didn't "insert myself into the conversation". This is a public forum and you revealed yourself to be a tourist.

Also, stop projecting.

[zhang_daqian]

Friend-
President Nelson is one of the dark spirits that has covered up SRA Practices in the LDS Church for decades.
He has participated and covered up for members of the Church and own family.

His minions continue to cover up for him here, wittingly and unwittingly.

That reason alone should cause you to Run to Christ and run from the mainline LDS Church.

Njb

Yes sir we fear that you understand maybe the dark purposes. We believe the one saying Chinese whispers and others on the board chat are agents for the LDS to monitor and lay a snare but we do not know who they are tell the spying to. We do not know for sure but we believe they want to suppress the dark practices so no one knows becasue they will not state plainly the rules and try to change the subject sir. We believe this is a grave error in the spirit of Christ to hide any molestatings so to have a strict public image by hiding any darkness. We believe it is a bad omen that Russel will not set a rule in the church to show he does not want the molestings hidden after so much time because we understand that the hidden letter was in 1990 but now it is 2021! So we ask why he wont' set a rule but they will not answer only they will talk down to us. It is a dark spirit we believe sir.

[notjamesbond003.5]

^*poster preceding this post- has been triggered^

Deflection... I called you out because you write like someone who has never been a member of the LDS.

Also if you care about people so much - as you pretend to, stop using stupid words like "triggered". What are you? Thirteen? You can't even get that right either. No doubt these stories are just a source of entertainment for you.

No Einstein-

I was writing to the poster who is Asian and not LDS, that’s why I used the term Pastor and not Bishop, than you inserted yourself into the conversation calling me out on semantics only shows you as a low IQ lazy learning mainstream LDS dolt.

I used Ammon and King Lamoni example where Ammon referred to Heavenly Father as “the Great Spirit” where the LDS culture understands the Father of having a corporal body of resurrected flesh and bones: but you still missed that, fully demonstrating your obtuseness.

Njb

I didn't "insert myself into the conversation". This is a public forum and you revealed yourself to be a tourist.

Also, stop projecting.

You did:


Friend-

…The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb


The conversation was between the poster and me who I referred to as Friend, public forum or not -and you jumped in like an uniformed moron.

Njb

[EvanLM]

it's hidden, making all of these allegations false because they are not hidden.

[EvanLM]

The best sexual abuse hidden in the church is done by the numerous missionaries that are sent out and not worthy to go. The bishops are suppose to take care of the youth. Unfortunately, the teach them to answer the call unworthily instead of teaching them about repentance.

If anyone try to maintain the priesthood. . . which is missionary work, too. . in any degree of unrighteousness. . .

Wed teach our youth to answer the call, worthy or not

[Niemand]

Deflection... I called you out because you write like someone who has never been a member of the LDS.

Also if you care about people so much - as you pretend to, stop using stupid words like "triggered". What are you? Thirteen? You can't even get that right either. No doubt these stories are just a source of entertainment for you.

No Einstein-

I was writing to the poster who is Asian and not LDS, that’s why I used the term Pastor and not Bishop, than you inserted yourself into the conversation calling me out on semantics only shows you as a low IQ lazy learning mainstream LDS dolt.

I used Ammon and King Lamoni example where Ammon referred to Heavenly Father as “the Great Spirit” where the LDS culture understands the Father of having a corporal body of resurrected flesh and bones: but you still missed that, fully demonstrating your obtuseness.

Njb

I didn't "insert myself into the conversation". This is a public forum and you revealed yourself to be a tourist.

Also, stop projecting.

You did:


Friend-

…The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb


The conversation was between the poster and me who I referred to as Friend, public forum or not -and you jumped in like an uniformed moron.

Hard lines. You got caught out! I love the way you call me a "uniformed moron". Shows how little you know about me. Or about anything else.

You obviously aren't what you pretend to be, but are willing to accuse other people here of all kinds of things. Have a word with yourself...

[Thinker]

Since the LDS are notorious for building most of their chapels to one or two blueprints - brickwork, spike out the front and single level - wherever they are, basements are conspicuous by their general absence. If abuse is going on, it will rarely be in a basement for that very reason.

Temples maybe, but it is harder to get in and out of a temple without being noticed than a chapel.

Good point about no basements.
Still, reminded me… again…



I was thinking about how people define evidence differently - especially when cognitive bias comes into play. Eg: Nobody can prove 100% that covid paranoid was an excuse to deny constitutional rights - but there’s quite a bit of evidence to suggest so. Similarly, nobody can prove the intentions of child porn symbols on the youth manual, putting our children on Zoom when it’s spied on and spammed with child porn, or many cases of child-sex-abuse cover up or that they used tunnels for nefarious reasons - but some evidence suggests so.


“... The maze of rooms under the tabernacle was way more interesting.

“There have been many rumors of not just tunnels, but secret rooms where satanic rituals are done by the highest bishops. Don't believe it? Above the north door on the east wall of the temple is an upside-down pentagram.
There are also rumors of tunnels connecting temple square to Dugway military base and other under ground military bases throughout the United States.
The problem is, the only people who would know of these tunnels are a very small hand full of people, the elite of the LDS church that would includ the president and a few others. So if your not any of them, you would have know clue no matter how far up the ladder you are.”



“I was on a tunnel kick there for a while and went around exploring what tunnels I could find in the Salt Lake Valley. A pretty popular tunnel is the old (early 1900s) tunnel that runs from the City and County building across the street to the new County library. The library was built where the old county jail used to be. The tunnel was used to safely transport convicted criminals from the courts in the City and County building across the street to the jail. I believe they used it for utilities and such as well. They have replaced this tunnel with a new cement tunnel that still goes across the street, but is far less creepy.
There are also tunnels connecting the Boston and Newhouse buildings as well as the Commercial Club and the Exchange. Most of these were steam tunnels but were also used for other various things. There used to be tunnels running up state street from the City and County building up towards temple square. One used to run under the Alpha graphics building before it was redone. Remnants of the tunnels from the city and county building that go south can still be seen, but they are sealed.”

“I used to work on Social Hall Avenue, back when the ZCMI Mall was still breathing and before all the condos, and in the back of our warehouse there was an access door to the fabled tunnels. I had heard so much about them so naturally I was curious. One day 3 or 4 of us grabbed some flashlights and broke in. We wandered around a bit but it seemed on either end of the block the tunnel was closed off by big locked gates. They looked like they went pretty far east as well as under State Street. I had heard rumors that those tunnels (these were dusty, unlit, and unused for years) went all the way up to the University. I wish we had broken in and gone farther. I'd really like to know just how extensive they really are.”
https://newcitymovement.typepad.com/new ... lds_u.html

“In “Satanic Ritual Abuse and Mormonism” (Tanners), 60 victims in the Mormon church discuss seeing or participating in alleged ritual abuse activities (this number could possibly include 800 total participants, the number of people in each survivors’ story added together).” (Warning: heartbreaking drawings of children who were abused. Other cases have mentioned areas underground from Temple Square.) https://www.auricmedia.net/tag/ritual-abuse/

[Thinker]

LDS Leaders Sex Abuse Cover-ups
“The Mormon church has a “culture” that protects sexual predators, Johnson said during the press conference.
“There is a very real, horrendous problem in the church right now,” she said. “That problem is that sexual predators are more protected in the Mormon church than innocent children and vulnerable adults.”

Participants (Native Americans) in the Church-sponsored Indian Student Placement Program have filed at least three sexual-abuse lawsuits.

"An Arizona prosecutor, who says a lawyer for the LDS Church told a bishop he didn’t need to inform police that a child was being sexually abused, has filed a bar complaint against that attorney and his law firm.
An indictment against the child’s parents suggests the abuse went on for a decade...”

President Nelson was involved in a case that was dismissed. It’s possible that Nelson & his daughter are innocent, but then why were Mile’s charges mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with B. Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties” (p. 15 & 20)?? If they were innocent why admit to something so disgustingly shameful?

Utah Highest in Sex Abuse Rates of Children.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46669115/ut ... tervention

This context is why some have concerns over the 2021 youth manual & church situations involving youth.

There’s also reason to not trust Zoom which is displaying images on the world-wide-web of our children, at the insistence of church leaders...

ZOOM EXECUTIVE EXPOSED AS CHINESE COMMUNIST SPY WHO SABOTAGED ANTI-CHINA VIDEO CONFERENCES WITH CHILD PORN AND TERRORISM: DOJ
“Jin provided the Chinese Communist Party with information about users and meetings, even supplying the CCP with IP addresses from anyone who...”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/zoom-empl ... se-spy-doj

More of church leaders covering up child sex abuse...

Mormon church faces 7 new lawsuits for alleged Boy Scouts sex abuse cover-up in Arizona
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormon-churc ... se-arizona



LDS 2021 youth manual



Mormon Church slapped with lawsuit from 6 families over alleged child sexual abuse cover-up (WV)
https://www.christiandaily.com/article/ ... /61648.htm

* The Mormon Church has been accused of using a sexual assault victims hotline to protect the church from lawsuits, VICE News reported Thursday night.
* The way the church's hotline works was revealed in a lawsuit and other documents obtained by the outlet.
* VICE said the documents show that local Mormon leaders were forwarded to the church's law firm instead of being instructed to report allegations to the police.
https://www.insider.com/mormon-church-a ... ims-2019-5

I did not see this reply. Thank you Thinker. We knew that some of the bishops and presidents had been sent to jail by the government for molestings and we knew about Russel's daughter but we didn't know that maybe the LDS have dark images in their instruction material. It does not bother us if his daughter sinned because no man is perfect but do not believe in the spirit of hiding. We didn't know Utah has the highest sex abuse rates of young ones.

Friend-

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

As stated, they will only prosecute low ranking members only to deflect off of them who are guilty of usually far greater sexual crimes, murder, rape and torture of children and babies.

When good general authorities break rank and threaten to expose the guilty: people like George Lee and Enzio Bushman -they retaliate with attempting to destroy, excommunicate and or marginalize them.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb

I’ve had the impression that one of the reasons Catholic priests were allowed to continue abusing children even after discovered by Catholic authorities - and similar cases with the lds church (just seemingly a lesser magnitude) - is because it helps promote homosexuality, which contributes to depopulation (one of their main goals). Not all who were sexually abused develop homosexual preferences but research suggests most people who’ve developed homosexual preferences were sexually abused. Statistically, (not all, but many) homosexual lifestyles lead to sickness & premature death, & of course no reproduction - so basically homosexuality is pushed to shorten & prevent lives - depopulate. Not exactly “loving.”

From the 1987 Homosexual Manifesto - some say this was meant as satire except many of their “satirical” goals have already been accomplished...
“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups…

… legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.…

… We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators,your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men...
-Michael Swift - Boston Gay Community News - February 15-21, 1987
(From the Traditional Values Coalition Special Report, Vol. 18., No. 10)
http://blessedcause.org/protest/Gay%20Manifesto.htm

[notjamesbond003.5]

No Einstein-

I was writing to the poster who is Asian and not LDS, that’s why I used the term Pastor and not Bishop, than you inserted yourself into the conversation calling me out on semantics only shows you as a low IQ lazy learning mainstream LDS dolt.

I used Ammon and King Lamoni example where Ammon referred to Heavenly Father as “the Great Spirit” where the LDS culture understands the Father of having a corporal body of resurrected flesh and bones: but you still missed that, fully demonstrating your obtuseness.

Njb

I didn't "insert myself into the conversation". This is a public forum and you revealed yourself to be a tourist.

Also, stop projecting.

You did:


Friend-

…The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb


The conversation was between the poster and me who I referred to as Friend, public forum or not -and you jumped in like an uniformed moron.

Hard lines. You got caught out! I love the way you call me a "uniformed moron". Shows how little you know about me. Or about anything else.

You obviously aren't what you pretend to be, but are willing to accuse other people here of all kinds of things. Have a word with yourself...

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Who sent you, pretender ?

njb

[Niemand]

I didn't "insert myself into the conversation". This is a public forum and you revealed yourself to be a tourist.

Also, stop projecting.

You did:


Friend-

…The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb


The conversation was between the poster and me who I referred to as Friend, public forum or not -and you jumped in like an uniformed moron.

Hard lines. You got caught out! I love the way you call me a "uniformed moron". Shows how little you know about me. Or about anything else.

You obviously aren't what you pretend to be, but are willing to accuse other people here of all kinds of things. Have a word with yourself...

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Who sent you, pretender ?

What's your point, caller? That I joined this year? That's not exactly a secret.

Who sent me? I did. I don't work for anyone else, was not sent here by anyone else and am sick of what I see in the church just now.

I couldn't give a monkeys if you joined in 2008. You're still full of it. You were caught out there and had to backtrack. I know people who have suffered horrible abuse in real life and hollowheads like you do them no service by using them for your own entertainment.

Now away and boil your head, sir...

[notjamesbond003.5]

Nobody backtracked at all, and the question was rhetorical-but you answered it in earnest.

You doubled down on your obtuseness and tone deafness while I steered a Believer of Christ towards the truth, while you ranted and continue to spiral downward.

You’re dismissed newbie.

Point NJB.

[Niemand]

Nobody backtracked at all.

You only doubled down on your obtuseness and tone deafness while I steered a Believer of Christ towards the truth, while you ranted and continue to spiral downward.

You’re dismissed newbie..

We need an emoji on here for psychological projection. Z tier stuff. You have nothing to offer me, or probably anyone else... let alone anyone who is dealing with actual abuse trauma, and you were caught out as an obvious phoney.

[notjamesbond003.5]

Do you mean “called out”, mr independent rouge operator?

Njb

[Alananat]

I probably know more than most. It may not be popular to hear, but I've experienced 3 inappropriate worthiness interviews, and my daughter was assaulted by a church leader at age 11. I've done a lot of research regarding policies, culture, doctrine, and litigation with the church. The best podcasts I've come across regarding this issue is A Thoughtful Faith Podcast. These are the ones I started with. Definitely listen to the one with Tom Stollings.

https://www.athoughtfulfaith.org/288-bo ... m-kosnoff/
https://www.athoughtfulfaith.org/270-se ... -juliette/

And also this list, if you haven't seen it yet. It is a compilation
of abuse articles with the church involved as well as legal documents.
https://archive.org/details/INSTANCESOF ... ESUSCHRIST

[Alananat]

I think you and the others are missing the bigger picture. While the top brass may not be molesting children themselves, they have created and maintained policies which silence, even harass victims in a religious sense to forgive the perp, often a church leader, to absolve the church of legal liability. There has never--ever--been a legal case where the church took the side of the victim. Leaders just want abuse to go away. They don't acknowledge it within the church if they don't have to, and they certainly don't apologize when they ARE liable. They use a scorched-earth method in litigation regarding victims, certainly not the pastoral, Christlike approach. Listen to this podcast. There are many more.

https://www.athoughtfulfaith.org/258-ta ... m-kosnoff/

[Alananat]

A friend of mine had a YW come to him as a bishop and tell him that her father was abusing her. This bishop brought the father in and asked him a few questions, never accusing the man. This father is a wealthy and influential member in the area. The bishop is then contacted by an area 70 who begins to question him about his meeting with the father, ultimately being very unkind. Word gets around, and the verbal abuse from members in his area gets bad enough that he decides to move his family. He received his excommunication letter on the way out the door, no church court. This is in SW Idaho.

Instances like this may seem insignificant to some, but I don't think so.
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What most members don't realize is the patterns which occur within the church regarding abuse and accountability. There is none, not even with the top brass. They don't want to acknowledge it, and they sure don't want to change policy, which makes all of this possible. If you want a deeper understanding of the legal or corporate aspect of abuse, start listening to these podcasts.

https://www.athoughtfulfaith.org/258-ta ... m-kosnoff/

[Alananat]

"I tend towards the sceptical. I'm reasonably long in the tooth and have seen these kind of stories come and go over the years. At the root there is usually someone with an axe to grind who either makes it up out of whole cloth, or manipulates the story to be more sensational and shocking. It's just the way it is.
Show me a court case and a conviction and I'll believe. The Catholics have had their problems and there is a whole string of convictions and priests in jail to prove it. I need more than hearsay and Chinese whispers."

There are reasons you don't hear of more victims coming forward. You don't understand the legal and cultural machine victims encounter when they come forward. i experienced 3 inappropriate bishops interviews as a teen--by 3 different bishops--I still speak out about it, and consistently, I am accused of "misunderstanding" what the bishop said, or berated for accusing/criticizing a church leader or being unfaithful in some way. No young person wants to hear that throughout their membership in the church. The real problem is in existing policy and the refusal of leaders to impress upon its members the seriousness of CRIME in the church, vs. an issue of sin.

There are a ton of these podcasts with lawyers detailing the problems in the church regarding this issue.
https://www.athoughtfulfaith.org/258-ta ... m-kosnoff/