What do you guys know about hiding sexual abuse in the LDS church?

[notjamesbond003.5]

Oh chin chin Prig-Robin.
We all see you’ve been triggered.
Good job on going after the low level pedo in your ward, and patting yourself on the back about it.

As for George Lee the Native American Indian General Authority, George Lee wrote a letter to the Brethren about their corruption and shortly thereafter was framed, for his dissension-but you’re ignorant of the story and stick w the propaganda of the LDS PR Dept.

That said, how come you never have called out the Satanic Pedos in your British Government, like Jimmy Saville and Heath?

Is it because they were never convicted ?
Hmm.
Pretty high bar you set there mate.

Continue to stick to the LDS Manual and play books’ -standard procedure of denial mate, it’s quite entertaining.

Cheers-
Njb

So, show us this letter George P. Lee wrote to the brethren about their corruption. That should really help us understand what happened. Oh wait.... you don't have it, you've never seen it, it's just hearsay.... but hey, why let that get in the way of a good story.
Remember, you will be judged the way you judge others. Hope you're happy being accused and convicted without evidence.
As for Heath, Savile and Co, I've known about them for years. Read all of David Icke's research and have actually met him. I believed Icke when hardly anyone did, but he presented real evidence not just scattergun accusations like you do. Any fool can do that and you're clearly living proof.
When you wrestle with a pig you both get dirty, but the pig loves it.

Actually I do have a copy of the handwritten letter it’s 10-12 pages.

But that you brought swine into the discussion, I don’t care to engage anymore.
I have zero desire to abuse you or your ilk.

Cheers Mr Defender of The Faith.
I’m done w you.

Njb

[zhang_daqian]

zhang_daqian-

You're on to something and your instincts are correct. There is a massive coverup of sexual abuse in the LDS Church, over the last 50-75 years-many Apostles and General Authorities have been implicated including members of Russell Nelson's own family who were sent on LDS Missions abroad as a Mission President and wife- to keep them out of the spotlight.

There are many on here who are Defenders of the Faith types, who know and who willingly mislead you-on this very topic, on this message board.
There are some who haven't researched honestly and sufficiently and then ignorantly support the LDS Hierarchy.

The LDS Church will usually only prosecute and expose sexual abusers who are low ranking members and low ranking clergy, and go to great lengths protect the General Authorities-for public relation purposes.

One of the reasons the LDS Church hasn't been brought down like the Catholic Church is because the LDS Church has a better Public Relations Dept. Look how they market globally as an example.

Many of the LDS Hierarchy are involved with USA Govt Agencies like the CIA, FBI and other agencies who are run by The Masons, Godless Atheists and Satanists-all Christ deniers.

These in turn have infiltrated the modern LDS Church in Utah.

When a new General Authority is brought brand new into his office: he surrenders his will and allegiance to The Utah Church-he is now paid handsomely by them, and is set financially for life. He is slowly showed the darker side of the workings of The Utah Church but has taken vows in the Temple to never divulge the Church's dirty secrets or talk ill of The Brethren.

The good news is this: Joseph Smith is still a Prophet and the Book of Mormon is indeed true.

You don't have to join the Utah Church to accept those two truths.

Good luck,
NotJamesBond00.35

Yes we have found many accusations against LDS but we don't know how there can be so many and we cannot find a rule in the church saying that the clergy must report it. You can see different reports and news stories and we found a map showing many different cases but we still can't find a rule for reporting by clergy. And we don't know who will report the bishop if the bishop is doing molesting. We do not believe that the size of the congregation makes it ok to say to the bishops do not report or why the congregations won't speak openly to us about it. We believe it is hidden in the church from so many claims and reports.

Aim map

LDS Church claims they don’t have to report sexual abuse cases

Restore Our Humanity

The Mormon Church Has Been Accused of Using a Victims' Hotline to Hide Claims of Sexual Abuse

Driver's ed teacher, Mormon church bishop pleads guilty to sex abuse charges

LDS sex abuse scandal: Here’s what we know so far

Is There Sexual Abuse in Mormon Missionaries?

LDS Church says a second missionary made sexual abuse allegation against former MTC president

Why Is Sexual Abuse So Common in the Mormon Church?

Mormon abuse cases

The Salt Lake Tribune reports that in the 1980s, the president of the LDS Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah took a young woman aside and asked to see her breasts. The woman later revealed that he tried to rape her. While the now 85-year-old perpetrator said he does not remember the incident, he apologized profusely and admitted that he had confessed to the Church many other instances of sexual misconduct.

ABC News reports that families began speaking out against the Church in 2019 based on their experiences with the teenage son of a prominent Mormon family in West Virginia, who also served as a missionary. The families allege that the now-adult sexually abused two young girls they entrusted to his care. The court eventually convicted the man, who received a prison sentence.

In September 2008, LDS Church bishop Timothy McCleve pleaded guilty to sexually molesting children from his ward.[2] He was sentenced in December 2008 to one-to-15 year prison terms for the abuse

In March 2010, former LDS Church bishop, Sr. was charged with 43 felony counts of sex abuse and sexual exploitation of children, and was imprisoned in Wasatch County, Utah. In November 2011, Kennard was sentenced to three terms of five-years-to-life in prison to be served consecutively, after pleading guilty to three first-degree felony counts of aggravated sex abuse of a child for sexually abusing his daughters.

The LDS Church Protects and Recycles Pedophiles

… Excommunicated Pedophiles get New Memberships with no record of prior child abuse
A pedophile who is excommunicated can get a new membership record upon rebaptism which has no reference to the prior history of abuse. (‘Clean-slate’ doctrine at work.)

…On Tracking known Pedophiles within the church
Because of design flaws in the database indexing system, it is impossible for the church to know whether a current member was previously excommunicated for child sexual abuse. This is because a new membership number is issued upon re-baptism and the record does not show any prior record reference numbers.

STORIES ABOUT CHILD/SEXUAL ABUSE IN THE LDS CHURCH

News Stories Involving the LDS Church and Child/Sexual Abuse

Former LDS Bishop Lon Kennard sentenced in sex abuse case. 2nd story here.
Son of local LDS church officials sexually abused 12 children over the course of more than five years. Follow-up story here.
Teen girl was repeatedly abused by Mormon missionary in 1985 in Rancho Mirage and Palm Desert
Utah Man Faces 85 Counts of Child Sexual Abuse
Two Men File Lawsuit Against Mormon Church Alleging Sexual Abuse as Teens by Church Leader on Pineapple Farm in Hawaii
16 men who say they were sexually abused as youngsters by scout leaders in Idaho filed their lawsuit on time against the Boy Scouts of America and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Decades-long search for “Mr. Wonder” ends with arrest
A High Priest’s sexual molestation of young boys for more than a decade according to a Portland, Oregon lawsuit that the church paid $3,000,000.00 to settle
LDS Church fighting to protect bishops and against mandatory laws to report abuse.
A Menifee Mormon bishop was sentenced Wednesday, Dec. 11, to three years in prison for molesting two teenage girls who attended his church which included “two felony counts of sexual battery and sexual penetration with a foreign object.” 2nd story here.
Charges dismissed against Mormon bishop accused of not reporting sex abuse
Important work exposing abuse from Lavina Fielding Anderson’s “Mormon Alliance” project, for which she was excommunicated.
Former Mormon bishop accused of trying to lure teens
Former LDS bishop pleads guilty to sex abuse
Former Utah House House GOP leader and former LDS bishop Kevin Garn paid woman for silence after nude hottubbing with her when she was a minor.
Boston mother sues Mormon church in abuse case.

An LDS bishop was removed from his Idaho post. He faces multiple sexual abuse charges

Families speak out against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints over sex abuse allegations

Mormon church sued for alleged role in Boy Scouts sex abuse

Lawsuit alleges LDS Church, leaders knew of child sex abuse but failed to report it

Mormon Cover Up

[zhang_daqian]

zhang_daqian-

You're on to something and your instincts are correct. There is a massive coverup of sexual abuse in the LDS Church, over the last 50-75 years-many Apostles and General Authorities have been implicated including members of Russell Nelson's own family who were sent on LDS Missions abroad as a Mission President and wife- to keep them out of the spotlight.

There are many on here who are Defenders of the Faith types, who know and who willingly mislead you-on this very topic, on this message board.
There are some who haven't researched honestly and sufficiently and then ignorantly support the LDS Hierarchy.

The LDS Church will usually only prosecute and expose sexual abusers who are low ranking members and low ranking clergy, and go to great lengths protect the General Authorities-for public relation purposes.

One of the reasons the LDS Church hasn't been brought down like the Catholic Church is because the LDS Church has a better Public Relations Dept. Look how they market globally as an example.

Many of the LDS Hierarchy are involved with USA Govt Agencies like the CIA, FBI and other agencies who are run by The Masons, Godless Atheists and Satanists-all Christ deniers.

These in turn have infiltrated the modern LDS Church in Utah.

When a new General Authority is brought brand new into his office: he surrenders his will and allegiance to The Utah Church-he is now paid handsomely by them, and is set financially for life. He is slowly showed the darker side of the workings of The Utah Church but has taken vows in the Temple to never divulge the Church's dirty secrets or talk ill of The Brethren.

The good news is this: Joseph Smith is still a Prophet and the Book of Mormon is indeed true.

You don't have to join the Utah Church to accept those two truths.

Good luck,
NotJamesBond00.35

Yes I think I am going to instruct my family to follow your advice. Thank you notjamesbond003.5. We did not know if LDS had dark ceremonies or not but we do not believe in hiding molestings. The highest president must say to the bishops to report all sex crimes to the government to stay in the Christian spirit as a body of Christian church way. We do not understand why this hasn't been said already by your president russel. We didn't know if the LDS had agents to hide the truth to the public or not. They have agents on this message board to monitor like in China? China also has these but everyone knows they are there.

[notjamesbond003.5]

zhang_daqian-

You're on to something and your instincts are correct. There is a massive coverup of sexual abuse in the LDS Church, over the last 50-75 years-many Apostles and General Authorities have been implicated including members of Russell Nelson's own family who were sent on LDS Missions abroad as a Mission President and wife- to keep them out of the spotlight.

There are many on here who are Defenders of the Faith types, who know and who willingly mislead you-on this very topic, on this message board.
There are some who haven't researched honestly and sufficiently and then ignorantly support the LDS Hierarchy.

The LDS Church will usually only prosecute and expose sexual abusers who are low ranking members and low ranking clergy, and go to great lengths protect the General Authorities-for public relation purposes.

One of the reasons the LDS Church hasn't been brought down like the Catholic Church is because the LDS Church has a better Public Relations Dept. Look how they market globally as an example.

Many of the LDS Hierarchy are involved with USA Govt Agencies like the CIA, FBI and other agencies who are run by The Masons, Godless Atheists and Satanists-all Christ deniers.

These in turn have infiltrated the modern LDS Church in Utah.

When a new General Authority is brought brand new into his office: he surrenders his will and allegiance to The Utah Church-he is now paid handsomely by them, and is set financially for life. He is slowly showed the darker side of the workings of The Utah Church but has taken vows in the Temple to never divulge the Church's dirty secrets or talk ill of The Brethren.

The good news is this: Joseph Smith is still a Prophet and the Book of Mormon is indeed true.

You don't have to join the Utah Church to accept those two truths.

Good luck,
NotJamesBond00.35

Yes I think I am going to instruct my family to follow your advice. Thank you notjamesbond003.5. We did not know if LDS had dark ceremonies or not but we do not believe in hiding molestings. The highest president must say to the bishops to report all sex crimes to the government to stay in the Christian spirit as a body of Christian church way. We do not understand why this hasn't been said already by your president russel. We didn't know if the LDS had agents to hide the truth to the public or not. They have agents on this message board to monitor like in China? China also has these but everyone knows they are there.

Yes, they have agents that are paid and some volunteer.

Good luck,
Njb

[zhang_daqian]

zhang_daqian-

You're on to something and your instincts are correct. There is a massive coverup of sexual abuse in the LDS Church, over the last 50-75 years-many Apostles and General Authorities have been implicated including members of Russell Nelson's own family who were sent on LDS Missions abroad as a Mission President and wife- to keep them out of the spotlight.

There are many on here who are Defenders of the Faith types, who know and who willingly mislead you-on this very topic, on this message board.
There are some who haven't researched honestly and sufficiently and then ignorantly support the LDS Hierarchy.

The LDS Church will usually only prosecute and expose sexual abusers who are low ranking members and low ranking clergy, and go to great lengths protect the General Authorities-for public relation purposes.

One of the reasons the LDS Church hasn't been brought down like the Catholic Church is because the LDS Church has a better Public Relations Dept. Look how they market globally as an example.

Many of the LDS Hierarchy are involved with USA Govt Agencies like the CIA, FBI and other agencies who are run by The Masons, Godless Atheists and Satanists-all Christ deniers.

These in turn have infiltrated the modern LDS Church in Utah.

When a new General Authority is brought brand new into his office: he surrenders his will and allegiance to The Utah Church-he is now paid handsomely by them, and is set financially for life. He is slowly showed the darker side of the workings of The Utah Church but has taken vows in the Temple to never divulge the Church's dirty secrets or talk ill of The Brethren.

The good news is this: Joseph Smith is still a Prophet and the Book of Mormon is indeed true.

You don't have to join the Utah Church to accept those two truths.

Good luck,
NotJamesBond00.35

Yes I think I am going to instruct my family to follow your advice. Thank you notjamesbond003.5. We did not know if LDS had dark ceremonies or not but we do not believe in hiding molestings. The highest president must say to the bishops to report all sex crimes to the government to stay in the Christian spirit as a body of Christian church way. We do not understand why this hasn't been said already by your president russel. We didn't know if the LDS had agents to hide the truth to the public or not. They have agents on this message board to monitor like in China? China also has these but everyone knows they are there.

Yes, they have agents that are paid and some volunteer.

Good luck,
Njb

We didn't know. This is not in the Christian spirit we believe. We do not believe that the LDS clergy is in the Christian way if they are spying on their neighbor and making a brother an offender for a word or lay a snare for the congregation in spying on them. Thank you brother.

[Serragon]

It is interesting that whenever someone posts something that is critical with no evidence to support it, you accept it and decide that it truly represents LDS culture. But whenever people post things that tell you how the church deals with these things or that tell you with evidence that they are not part of our culture, you won't accept it and claim you aren't getting answers to your "research".

Well, personally, I don't think you are doing any sort of real "research" at all. You simply want stories that fit your pre-conceived notions so you can keep your family members or congregants from leaving your congregation and becoming LDS. You have already stated that you would "forbid" them from attending because you have some misguided and completely irrational belief that their kids would be molested and the church would hide it. This is an insane view. This is like not going outside because there is no guarantee you won't get struck by lightning. It doesn't add up.

For the last time.. NO ONE IN THE LDS CHURCH BELIEVES YOU SHOULD HIDE MOLESTINGS! We have layers and layers of processes in place to make sure that doesn't happen! Anyone molesting a child is excommunicated or disfellowshipped and their records are marked for the rest of their lives. They are never again allowed any calling or job that might put them in contact with children. Any research you were doing would have revealed this to you within 10 minutes. Simply read the church handbook of instructions which is available to anyone on the church website.

[zhang_daqian]

It is interesting that whenever someone posts something that is critical with no evidence to support it, you accept it and decide that it truly represents LDS culture. But whenever people post things that tell you how the church deals with these things or that tell you with evidence that they are not part of our culture, you won't accept it and claim you aren't getting answers to your "research".

Well, personally, I don't think you are doing any sort of real "research" at all. You simply want stories that fit your pre-conceived notions so you can keep your family members or congregants from leaving your congregation and becoming LDS. You have already stated that you would "forbid" them from attending because you have some misguided and completely irrational belief that their kids would be molested and the church would hide it. This is an insane view. This is like not going outside because there is no guarantee you won't get struck by lightning. It doesn't add up.

For the last time.. NO ONE IN THE LDS CHURCH BELIEVES YOU SHOULD HIDE MOLESTINGS! We have layers and layers of processes in place to make sure that doesn't happen! Anyone molesting a child is excommunicated or disfellowshipped and their records are marked for the rest of their lives. They are never again allowed any calling or job that might put them in contact with children. Any research you were doing would have revealed this to you within 10 minutes. Simply read the church handbook of instructions which is available to anyone on the church website.

Sir we have already talked about this. We have looked and we can find no rule in the church saying the bishops must report molesting and be removed if they fail. I do not lead a congregation sir. If the LDS Nelson does not believe his congregation should hide molestings then we don't know why he doesn't make a rule in the church to tell bishops to not hide it? We can't make sense of it. We have no desire to fight. We will go peaceably in the Christian spirit.

we do not know if those who rejoin have clean records or not sir. We found this on line

Excommunicated Pedophiles get New Memberships with no record of prior child abuse
A pedophile who is excommunicated can get a new membership record upon rebaptism which has no reference to the prior history of abuse. (‘Clean-slate’ doctrine at work.)

We can find nothing from the LDS saying this is not true so we don't know if it is or not. We understand the spirit of the LDS now sir we have no more desire to speak on the matter.

[Baurak Ale]

It is interesting that whenever someone posts something that is critical with no evidence to support it, you accept it and decide that it truly represents LDS culture. But whenever people post things that tell you how the church deals with these things or that tell you with evidence that they are not part of our culture, you won't accept it and claim you aren't getting answers to your "research".

Well, personally, I don't think you are doing any sort of real "research" at all. You simply want stories that fit your pre-conceived notions so you can keep your family members or congregants from leaving your congregation and becoming LDS. You have already stated that you would "forbid" them from attending because you have some misguided and completely irrational belief that their kids would be molested and the church would hide it. This is an insane view. This is like not going outside because there is no guarantee you won't get struck by lightning. It doesn't add up.

For the last time.. NO ONE IN THE LDS CHURCH BELIEVES YOU SHOULD HIDE MOLESTINGS! We have layers and layers of processes in place to make sure that doesn't happen! Anyone molesting a child is excommunicated or disfellowshipped and their records are marked for the rest of their lives. They are never again allowed any calling or job that might put them in contact with children. Any research you were doing would have revealed this to you within 10 minutes. Simply read the church handbook of instructions which is available to anyone on the church website.

Sir we have already talked about this. We have looked and we can find no rule in the church saying the bishops must report molesting and be removed if they fail. I do not lead a congregation sir. If the LDS Nelson does not believe his congregation should hide molestings then we don't know why he doesn't make a rule in the church to tell bishops to not hide it? We can't make sense of it. We have no desire to fight. We will go peaceably in the Christian spirit.

we do not know if those who rejoin have clean records or not sir. We found this on line

Excommunicated Pedophiles get New Memberships with no record of prior child abuse
A pedophile who is excommunicated can get a new membership record upon rebaptism which has no reference to the prior history of abuse. (‘Clean-slate’ doctrine at work.)

We can find nothing from the LDS saying this is not true so we don't know if it is or not. We understand the spirit of the LDS now sir we have no more desire to speak on the matter.

I agree with Serragon. Coming on to a forum and listening to the evidence-lacking antagonists will feed your assumption-based narrative. If you want to really research the church, then download the leadership handbook (look, I'll get it for you; read here: https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... _number221), go meet local congregants, go see and feel what their meetings are like. See the results of actual litigation remembering that someone should be innocent until proven guilty, etc.

The church is not lacking in these things. When legitimate abuse comes to light (examples have been plentifully mentioned in this forum) the church is swift to cut off the offending limb. The issue for some is that the "when" may not be as soon as desired in every case. I had a family member directly and negatively affected by the sexual advances of a missionary (an elder). She was told (and I believe it) that "the gears of justice in the church grind slowly, but they do grind thoroughly." In the end it was her word versus his word and there's only so much that can be done in those circumstances. If you're looking for a church body on the earth that has the organization of the ancient church of Christ and the required dispensation of authority as prophesied by John in the Book of Revelation (he saw an angel future to his day carrying the gospel to the earth) and which is immaculate without liars in its midst (Christ said there would be wolves in sheep's clothing), you will never end your search.

And what's wrong with a clean slate? Is it not the hope that true repentance brings about a new creature? The state can track sexual crimes for the rest of a person's life, but is that the standard by which Jesus will judge that person? We must be willing to forgive all men if we will be forgiven of our God.

If I found out that someone in the ward was had committed a sexual crime in the past, would I tell the Bishop so that the person is not placed in any callings of a sensitive nature? Yes. When someone is called to a position in the church, the membership is invited to speak up against the calling if they know things that would preclude the person being called from assuming that position of responsibility.

So there are checks and balances in the body, and forgiving does not necessarily mean forgetting, but we are all sinners and in need of the healing power of Christ. Why do you deny this to someone who repented of abuse? They were probably abused themselves. Lord knows.

[zhang_daqian]

It is interesting that whenever someone posts something that is critical with no evidence to support it, you accept it and decide that it truly represents LDS culture. But whenever people post things that tell you how the church deals with these things or that tell you with evidence that they are not part of our culture, you won't accept it and claim you aren't getting answers to your "research".

Well, personally, I don't think you are doing any sort of real "research" at all. You simply want stories that fit your pre-conceived notions so you can keep your family members or congregants from leaving your congregation and becoming LDS. You have already stated that you would "forbid" them from attending because you have some misguided and completely irrational belief that their kids would be molested and the church would hide it. This is an insane view. This is like not going outside because there is no guarantee you won't get struck by lightning. It doesn't add up.

For the last time.. NO ONE IN THE LDS CHURCH BELIEVES YOU SHOULD HIDE MOLESTINGS! We have layers and layers of processes in place to make sure that doesn't happen! Anyone molesting a child is excommunicated or disfellowshipped and their records are marked for the rest of their lives. They are never again allowed any calling or job that might put them in contact with children. Any research you were doing would have revealed this to you within 10 minutes. Simply read the church handbook of instructions which is available to anyone on the church website.

Sir we have already talked about this. We have looked and we can find no rule in the church saying the bishops must report molesting and be removed if they fail. I do not lead a congregation sir. If the LDS Nelson does not believe his congregation should hide molestings then we don't know why he doesn't make a rule in the church to tell bishops to not hide it? We can't make sense of it. We have no desire to fight. We will go peaceably in the Christian spirit.

we do not know if those who rejoin have clean records or not sir. We found this on line

Excommunicated Pedophiles get New Memberships with no record of prior child abuse
A pedophile who is excommunicated can get a new membership record upon rebaptism which has no reference to the prior history of abuse. (‘Clean-slate’ doctrine at work.)

We can find nothing from the LDS saying this is not true so we don't know if it is or not. We understand the spirit of the LDS now sir we have no more desire to speak on the matter.

I agree with Serragon. Coming on to a forum and listening to the evidence-lacking antagonists will feed your assumption-based narrative. If you want to really research the church, then download the leadership handbook (look, I'll get it for you; read here: https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... _number221), go meet local congregants, go see and feel what their meetings are like. See the results of actual litigation remembering that someone should be innocent until proven guilty, etc.

The church is not lacking in these things. When legitimate abuse comes to light (examples have been plentifully mentioned in this forum) the church is swift to cut off the offending limb. The issue for some is that the "when" may not be as soon as desired in every case. I had a family member directly and negatively affected by the sexual advances of a missionary (an elder). She was told (and I believe it) that "the gears of justice in the church grind slowly, but they do grind thoroughly." In the end it was her word versus his word and there's only so much that can be done in those circumstances. If you're looking for a church body on the earth that has the organization of the ancient church of Christ and the required dispensation of authority as prophesied by John in the Book of Revelation (he saw an angel future to his day carrying the gospel to the earth) and which is immaculate without liars in its midst (Christ said there would be wolves in sheep's clothing), you will never end your search.

And what's wrong with a clean slate? Is it not the hope that true repentance brings about a new creature? The state can track sexual crimes for the rest of a person's life, but is that the standard by which Jesus will judge that person? We must be willing to forgive all men if we will be forgiven of our God.

If I found out that someone in the ward was had committed a sexual crime in the past, would I tell the Bishop so that the person is not placed in any callings of a sensitive nature? Yes. When someone is called to a position in the church, the membership is invited to speak up against the calling if they know things that would preclude the person being called from assuming that position of responsibility.

So there are checks and balances in the body, and forgiving does not necessarily mean forgetting, but we are all sinners and in need of the healing power of Christ. Why do you deny this to someone who repented of abuse? They were probably abused themselves. Lord knows.

Sir we thank you. We don't wish to be painful to the LDS. We are not looking for your words though sir. We know about the handbook and we studied carefully to see. But we understand now that the LDS does not require the bishops to report if they are told about a molesting. we found this online sir

Abuse may also violate the laws of society. The Church encourages the reporting of abuse to civil authorities, and Church leaders and members must fulfill all legal obligations to report abuse. In some places, leaders and teachers who serve with children are legally required to report abuse of children to civil authorities.
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... ame=GLOB88

The LDS congregation does not have any rule but only to encourage the bishops. Sir we are not westerners but we are not stupid. We know about a strict public image. This is very important in the east. We believe in forgiveness for all by the precious blood of Jesus but we do not believe in predators not being carefully monitored in the congregations if they rejoin sir. We don't believe that another would want their young one with a molester if they rejoined so we ask they be monitored. We don't believe for LDS Russel Nelson to encourage the bishops is enough. We appreciate your reply thank you sir.

[zhang_daqian]

LDS Leaders Sex Abuse Cover-ups
“The Mormon church has a “culture” that protects sexual predators, Johnson said during the press conference.
“There is a very real, horrendous problem in the church right now,” she said. “That problem is that sexual predators are more protected in the Mormon church than innocent children and vulnerable adults.”

Participants (Native Americans) in the Church-sponsored Indian Student Placement Program have filed at least three sexual-abuse lawsuits.

"An Arizona prosecutor, who says a lawyer for the LDS Church told a bishop he didn’t need to inform police that a child was being sexually abused, has filed a bar complaint against that attorney and his law firm.
An indictment against the child’s parents suggests the abuse went on for a decade...”

President Nelson was involved in a case that was dismissed. It’s possible that Nelson & his daughter are innocent, but then why were Mile’s charges mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with B. Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties” (p. 15 & 20)?? If they were innocent why admit to something so disgustingly shameful?

Utah Highest in Sex Abuse Rates of Children.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46669115/ut ... tervention

This context is why some have concerns over the 2021 youth manual & church situations involving youth.

There’s also reason to not trust Zoom which is displaying images on the world-wide-web of our children, at the insistence of church leaders...

ZOOM EXECUTIVE EXPOSED AS CHINESE COMMUNIST SPY WHO SABOTAGED ANTI-CHINA VIDEO CONFERENCES WITH CHILD PORN AND TERRORISM: DOJ
“Jin provided the Chinese Communist Party with information about users and meetings, even supplying the CCP with IP addresses from anyone who...”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/zoom-empl ... se-spy-doj

More of church leaders covering up child sex abuse...

Mormon church faces 7 new lawsuits for alleged Boy Scouts sex abuse cover-up in Arizona
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormon-churc ... se-arizona



LDS 2021 youth manual



Mormon Church slapped with lawsuit from 6 families over alleged child sexual abuse cover-up (WV)
https://www.christiandaily.com/article/ ... /61648.htm

* The Mormon Church has been accused of using a sexual assault victims hotline to protect the church from lawsuits, VICE News reported Thursday night.
* The way the church's hotline works was revealed in a lawsuit and other documents obtained by the outlet.
* VICE said the documents show that local Mormon leaders were forwarded to the church's law firm instead of being instructed to report allegations to the police.
https://www.insider.com/mormon-church-a ... ims-2019-5

I did not see this reply. Thank you Thinker. We knew that some of the bishops and presidents had been sent to jail by the government for molestings and we knew about Russel's daughter but we didn't know that maybe the LDS have dark images in their instruction material. It does not bother us if his daughter sinned because no man is perfect but do not believe in the spirit of hiding. We didn't know Utah has the highest sex abuse rates of young ones.

[notjamesbond003.5]

LDS Leaders Sex Abuse Cover-ups
“The Mormon church has a “culture” that protects sexual predators, Johnson said during the press conference.
“There is a very real, horrendous problem in the church right now,” she said. “That problem is that sexual predators are more protected in the Mormon church than innocent children and vulnerable adults.”

Participants (Native Americans) in the Church-sponsored Indian Student Placement Program have filed at least three sexual-abuse lawsuits.

"An Arizona prosecutor, who says a lawyer for the LDS Church told a bishop he didn’t need to inform police that a child was being sexually abused, has filed a bar complaint against that attorney and his law firm.
An indictment against the child’s parents suggests the abuse went on for a decade...”

President Nelson was involved in a case that was dismissed. It’s possible that Nelson & his daughter are innocent, but then why were Mile’s charges mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with B. Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties” (p. 15 & 20)?? If they were innocent why admit to something so disgustingly shameful?

Utah Highest in Sex Abuse Rates of Children.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46669115/ut ... tervention

This context is why some have concerns over the 2021 youth manual & church situations involving youth.

There’s also reason to not trust Zoom which is displaying images on the world-wide-web of our children, at the insistence of church leaders...

ZOOM EXECUTIVE EXPOSED AS CHINESE COMMUNIST SPY WHO SABOTAGED ANTI-CHINA VIDEO CONFERENCES WITH CHILD PORN AND TERRORISM: DOJ
“Jin provided the Chinese Communist Party with information about users and meetings, even supplying the CCP with IP addresses from anyone who...”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/zoom-empl ... se-spy-doj

More of church leaders covering up child sex abuse...

Mormon church faces 7 new lawsuits for alleged Boy Scouts sex abuse cover-up in Arizona
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormon-churc ... se-arizona



LDS 2021 youth manual



Mormon Church slapped with lawsuit from 6 families over alleged child sexual abuse cover-up (WV)
https://www.christiandaily.com/article/ ... /61648.htm

* The Mormon Church has been accused of using a sexual assault victims hotline to protect the church from lawsuits, VICE News reported Thursday night.
* The way the church's hotline works was revealed in a lawsuit and other documents obtained by the outlet.
* VICE said the documents show that local Mormon leaders were forwarded to the church's law firm instead of being instructed to report allegations to the police.
https://www.insider.com/mormon-church-a ... ims-2019-5

I did not see this reply. Thank you Thinker. We knew that some of the bishops and presidents had been sent to jail by the government for molestings and we knew about Russel's daughter but we didn't know that maybe the LDS have dark images in their instruction material. It does not bother us if his daughter sinned because no man is perfect but do not believe in the spirit of hiding. We didn't know Utah has the highest sex abuse rates of young ones.

Friend-

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

As stated, they will only prosecute low ranking members only to deflect off of them who are guilty of usually far greater sexual crimes, murder, rape and torture of children and babies.

When good general authorities break rank and threaten to expose the guilty: people like George Lee and Enzio Bushman -they retaliate with attempting to destroy, excommunicate and or marginalize them.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb

[zhang_daqian]

LDS Leaders Sex Abuse Cover-ups
“The Mormon church has a “culture” that protects sexual predators, Johnson said during the press conference.
“There is a very real, horrendous problem in the church right now,” she said. “That problem is that sexual predators are more protected in the Mormon church than innocent children and vulnerable adults.”

Participants (Native Americans) in the Church-sponsored Indian Student Placement Program have filed at least three sexual-abuse lawsuits.

"An Arizona prosecutor, who says a lawyer for the LDS Church told a bishop he didn’t need to inform police that a child was being sexually abused, has filed a bar complaint against that attorney and his law firm.
An indictment against the child’s parents suggests the abuse went on for a decade...”

President Nelson was involved in a case that was dismissed. It’s possible that Nelson & his daughter are innocent, but then why were Mile’s charges mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with B. Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties” (p. 15 & 20)?? If they were innocent why admit to something so disgustingly shameful?

Utah Highest in Sex Abuse Rates of Children.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46669115/ut ... tervention

This context is why some have concerns over the 2021 youth manual & church situations involving youth.

There’s also reason to not trust Zoom which is displaying images on the world-wide-web of our children, at the insistence of church leaders...

ZOOM EXECUTIVE EXPOSED AS CHINESE COMMUNIST SPY WHO SABOTAGED ANTI-CHINA VIDEO CONFERENCES WITH CHILD PORN AND TERRORISM: DOJ
“Jin provided the Chinese Communist Party with information about users and meetings, even supplying the CCP with IP addresses from anyone who...”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/zoom-empl ... se-spy-doj

More of church leaders covering up child sex abuse...

Mormon church faces 7 new lawsuits for alleged Boy Scouts sex abuse cover-up in Arizona
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormon-churc ... se-arizona



LDS 2021 youth manual



Mormon Church slapped with lawsuit from 6 families over alleged child sexual abuse cover-up (WV)
https://www.christiandaily.com/article/ ... /61648.htm

* The Mormon Church has been accused of using a sexual assault victims hotline to protect the church from lawsuits, VICE News reported Thursday night.
* The way the church's hotline works was revealed in a lawsuit and other documents obtained by the outlet.
* VICE said the documents show that local Mormon leaders were forwarded to the church's law firm instead of being instructed to report allegations to the police.
https://www.insider.com/mormon-church-a ... ims-2019-5

I did not see this reply. Thank you Thinker. We knew that some of the bishops and presidents had been sent to jail by the government for molestings and we knew about Russel's daughter but we didn't know that maybe the LDS have dark images in their instruction material. It does not bother us if his daughter sinned because no man is perfect but do not believe in the spirit of hiding. We didn't know Utah has the highest sex abuse rates of young ones.

Friend-

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

As stated, they will only prosecute low ranking members only to deflect off of them who are guilty of usually far greater sexual crimes, murder, rape and torture of children and babies.

When good general authorities break rank and threaten to expose the guilty: people like George Lee and Enzio Bushman -they retaliate with attempting to destroy, excommunicate and or marginalize them.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

Njb

Thank you brother. We will walk in Christ on the Christian path. We couldn't tell the spirit in the LDS but now we are beginning to see him. The bishops hide the molestings sometimes and Russel will not set a rule against them but many of the congregation do not care or do not know. We don't know why the LDS will not ask their president to set a rule for clergy to report all molestings and discuss among themselves in the congregation to petition for a rule. We don't know about the darker ceremonies but we can't take risks. We believe Jesus will come soon from heaven with the holy angels in judgement. We know about George Lee but we didn't know about Enzio Bushman and we will research. We did research for a long time and we showed the websites are in the board posts so we don't know why some say we didn't research the LDS rules. We thank you brother.

[Juliet]

You can read a book called "Healing Broken Wings" by Sharon Reece.

[zhang_daqian]

You can read a book called "Healing Broken Wings" by Sharon Reece.

Thank you sister. We will research into this book in the future.

[Niemand]

Oh chin chin Prig-Robin.
We all see you’ve been triggered.
Good job on going after the low level pedo in your ward, and patting yourself on the back about it.

As for George Lee the Native American Indian General Authority, George Lee wrote a letter to the Brethren about their corruption and shortly thereafter was framed, for his dissension-but you’re ignorant of the story and stick w the propaganda of the LDS PR Dept.

That said, how come you never have called out the Satanic Pedos in your British Government, like Jimmy Saville and Heath?

Is it because they were never convicted ?
Hmm.
Pretty high bar you set there mate.

Continue to stick to the LDS Manual and play books’ -standard procedure of denial mate, it’s quite entertaining.

Cheers-
Njb

So, show us this letter George P. Lee wrote to the brethren about their corruption. That should really help us understand what happened. Oh wait.... you don't have it, you've never seen it, it's just hearsay.... but hey, why let that get in the way of a good story.
Remember, you will be judged the way you judge others. Hope you're happy being accused and convicted without evidence.
As for Heath, Savile and Co, I've known about them for years. Read all of David Icke's research and have actually met him. I believed Icke when hardly anyone did, but he presented real evidence not just scattergun accusations like you do. Any fool can do that and you're clearly living proof.
When you wrestle with a pig you both get dirty, but the pig loves it.

Ironically when Icke was talking about these folk, he didn't mention much about Savile at least initially. However, he did talk about Heath a lot. As we were talking about the other day, Lord Mountbatten was probably partly killed by the IRA because of things he did to little boys. The IRA are not kind people, but even they have moral limits.

I think in these scenarios, preventation is the best cure. If it's already happened, it can't be undone - unless you count therapy and even that is a long and not entirely fruitful process for many people. Yes, I like the idea of rooms having a window on each door in our chapels - that alone is good sense. We also tend to place our nursery away from the main doors so people can't just come in off the street and waltz out with children.

As for the accusations, I think they are hard to prove as I said above. I know, for example, that one of my male schoolfriends was in a sexual relationship with one of our female teachers. He would have been underage for at least some of it - can I prove it? No, because it's years after and he would have to agree, back up the claims etc, and he won't. They were very discrete and I only found out about it after I left school. Although he consented apparently, the scenario should never have happened to begin with, because it is an abuse of trust. If the genders had been reversed, then it would be viewed very differently by the people he told.

I also know someone from years ago who has become one of the highest profile abuse cases in Scotland, since she waived her right to privacy. I was very upset about it, because of my personal connection. One of the people involved is now dead - Nicholas Fairbairn - but has been proven to be an abuser by others, and by his own admission was a rapist of women, calling them "temptresses".

[Robin Hood]

Oh chin chin Prig-Robin.
We all see you’ve been triggered.
Good job on going after the low level pedo in your ward, and patting yourself on the back about it.

As for George Lee the Native American Indian General Authority, George Lee wrote a letter to the Brethren about their corruption and shortly thereafter was framed, for his dissension-but you’re ignorant of the story and stick w the propaganda of the LDS PR Dept.

That said, how come you never have called out the Satanic Pedos in your British Government, like Jimmy Saville and Heath?

Is it because they were never convicted ?
Hmm.
Pretty high bar you set there mate.

Continue to stick to the LDS Manual and play books’ -standard procedure of denial mate, it’s quite entertaining.

Cheers-
Njb

So, show us this letter George P. Lee wrote to the brethren about their corruption. That should really help us understand what happened. Oh wait.... you don't have it, you've never seen it, it's just hearsay.... but hey, why let that get in the way of a good story.
Remember, you will be judged the way you judge others. Hope you're happy being accused and convicted without evidence.
As for Heath, Savile and Co, I've known about them for years. Read all of David Icke's research and have actually met him. I believed Icke when hardly anyone did, but he presented real evidence not just scattergun accusations like you do. Any fool can do that and you're clearly living proof.
When you wrestle with a pig you both get dirty, but the pig loves it.

Ironically when Icke was talking about these folk, he didn't mention much about Savile at least initially. However, he did talk about Heath a lot. As we were talking about the other day, Lord Mountbatten was probably partly killed by the IRA because of things he did to little boys. The IRA are not kind people, but even they have moral limits.

I think in these scenarios, preventation is the best cure. If it's already happened, it can't be undone - unless you count therapy and even that is a long and not entirely fruitful process for many people. Yes, I like the idea of rooms having a window on each door in our chapels - that alone is good sense. We also tend to place our nursery away from the main doors so people can't just come in off the street and waltz out with children.

As for the accusations, I think they are hard to prove as I said above. I know, for example, that one of my male schoolfriends was in a sexual relationship with one of our female teachers. He would have been underage for at least some of it - can I prove it? No, because it's years after and he would have to agree, back up the claims etc, and he won't. They were very discrete and I only found out about it after I left school. Although he consented apparently, the scenario should never have happened to begin with, because it is an abuse of trust. If the genders had been reversed, then it would be viewed very differently by the people he told.

I also know someone from years ago who has become one of the highest profile abuse cases in Scotland, since she waived her right to privacy. I was very upset about it, because of my personal connection. One of the people involved is now dead - Nicholas Fairbairn - but has been proven to be an abuser by others, and by his own admission was a rapist of women, calling them "temptresses".

You're right, Icke never mentioned Savile in his books. However, he did expose him during his live presentations at least as far back as 2000.

[Niemand]

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

I think your language suggests you haven't spent much time in and around the LDS. Yes, most members are good people who sleepwalk through life, but we don't have pastors, and very few chapels have basements. Most of the ones in the UK are on a single floor - I can think of one or two exceptions, Dunfermline has a first floor (that's second floor to Americans), and I remember vaguely Bath does or did (because it was a converted building.) Hyde Park Chapel does, because it is a bespoke design... but those are the exceptions. This is partly due to disabled access issues.

Since the LDS are notorious for building most of their chapels to one or two blueprints - brickwork, spike out the front and single level - wherever they are, basements are conspicuous by their general absence. If abuse is going on, it will rarely be in a basement for that very reason.

Temples maybe, but it is harder to get in and out of a temple without being noticed than a chapel.

[Niemand]

Oh chin chin Prig-Robin.
We all see you’ve been triggered.
Good job on going after the low level pedo in your ward, and patting yourself on the back about it.

As for George Lee the Native American Indian General Authority, George Lee wrote a letter to the Brethren about their corruption and shortly thereafter was framed, for his dissension-but you’re ignorant of the story and stick w the propaganda of the LDS PR Dept.

That said, how come you never have called out the Satanic Pedos in your British Government, like Jimmy Saville and Heath?

Is it because they were never convicted ?
Hmm.
Pretty high bar you set there mate.

Continue to stick to the LDS Manual and play books’ -standard procedure of denial mate, it’s quite entertaining.

Cheers-
Njb

So, show us this letter George P. Lee wrote to the brethren about their corruption. That should really help us understand what happened. Oh wait.... you don't have it, you've never seen it, it's just hearsay.... but hey, why let that get in the way of a good story.
Remember, you will be judged the way you judge others. Hope you're happy being accused and convicted without evidence.
As for Heath, Savile and Co, I've known about them for years. Read all of David Icke's research and have actually met him. I believed Icke when hardly anyone did, but he presented real evidence not just scattergun accusations like you do. Any fool can do that and you're clearly living proof.
When you wrestle with a pig you both get dirty, but the pig loves it.

Ironically when Icke was talking about these folk, he didn't mention much about Savile at least initially. However, he did talk about Heath a lot. As we were talking about the other day, Lord Mountbatten was probably partly killed by the IRA because of things he did to little boys. The IRA are not kind people, but even they have moral limits.

I think in these scenarios, preventation is the best cure. If it's already happened, it can't be undone - unless you count therapy and even that is a long and not entirely fruitful process for many people. Yes, I like the idea of rooms having a window on each door in our chapels - that alone is good sense. We also tend to place our nursery away from the main doors so people can't just come in off the street and waltz out with children.

As for the accusations, I think they are hard to prove as I said above. I know, for example, that one of my male schoolfriends was in a sexual relationship with one of our female teachers. He would have been underage for at least some of it - can I prove it? No, because it's years after and he would have to agree, back up the claims etc, and he won't. They were very discrete and I only found out about it after I left school. Although he consented apparently, the scenario should never have happened to begin with, because it is an abuse of trust. If the genders had been reversed, then it would be viewed very differently by the people he told.

I also know someone from years ago who has become one of the highest profile abuse cases in Scotland, since she waived her right to privacy. I was very upset about it, because of my personal connection. One of the people involved is now dead - Nicholas Fairbairn - but has been proven to be an abuser by others, and by his own admission was a rapist of women, calling them "temptresses".

You're right, Icke never mentioned Savile in his books. However, he did expose him during his live presentations at least as far back as 2000.

... which always surprised me. I always suspected his knowledge of these things came from working in the BBC himself at one point. I'm so old I can remember as a sports reporter and Green Party campaigner.

I don't remember him saying anything about Frank Bough either. Uncle Frank turned out to have a sordid lifestyle, although it appeared to be consensual and with adults. Apparently Uncle Frank would have been the person to report if the balloon went up. I can just imagine him sitting there in his bunker, line of coke to his side, telling us to duck and dive under our couches.

[notjamesbond003.5]

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

I think your language suggests you haven't spent much time in and around the LDS. Yes, most members are good people who sleepwalk through life, but we don't have pastors, and very few chapels have basements. Most of the ones in the UK are on a single floor - I can think of one or two exceptions, Dunfermline has a first floor (that's second floor to Americans), and I remember vaguely Bath does or did (because it was a converted building.) Hyde Park Chapel does, because it is a bespoke design... but those are the exceptions. This is partly due to disabled access issues.

Since the LDS are notorious for building most of their chapels to one or two blueprints - brickwork, spike out the front and single level - wherever they are, basements are conspicuous by their general absence. If abuse is going on, it will rarely be in a basement for that very reason.

Temples maybe, but it is harder to get in and out of a temple without being noticed than a chapel.

Nieman

You should quit while you’re behind.
I was speaking to the poster in familiar language like Ammon did in the Book of Mormon.

I’ve forgotten more about my Mormon Faith that you ever have learned in this life and probably the next.

I know more about Satanic Ritualistic Abuse committed and covered up by the Brethren that you’d be able to comprehend at your present level of understanding.

About 15 -25 per cent of the meeting houses have basements in No America.

Most Temples do, even the SLC Temple did until recently, where witnesses have came forward and testified seeing Tommy Monson as an Apostle eat and cannabalize babies in the 1970s.

There are also stories of Dr and President Russell Nelson performing abortions in that Temple basement. Hmmm..

Interesting they had to rid of that basement in the SLC Temple though, but I digress.

Njb

[Niemand]

They practice the dark rituals in secret only among a few, sometimes in basements of Temples and meeting houses.
All in secret, until a surviving victim speaks out. Then they are mocked and gaslit.

The vast majority of LDS are goodly ppl, but most sleep walk thru life and trust the Pastors more then develop a relationship w Christ.

I think your language suggests you haven't spent much time in and around the LDS. Yes, most members are good people who sleepwalk through life, but we don't have pastors, and very few chapels have basements. Most of the ones in the UK are on a single floor - I can think of one or two exceptions, Dunfermline has a first floor (that's second floor to Americans), and I remember vaguely Bath does or did (because it was a converted building.) Hyde Park Chapel does, because it is a bespoke design... but those are the exceptions. This is partly due to disabled access issues.

Since the LDS are notorious for building most of their chapels to one or two blueprints - brickwork, spike out the front and single level - wherever they are, basements are conspicuous by their general absence. If abuse is going on, it will rarely be in a basement for that very reason.

Temples maybe, but it is harder to get in and out of a temple without being noticed than a chapel.

Nieman

You should quit while you’re behind.
I was speaking to the poster in familiar language like Ammon did in the Book of Mormon.

I’ve forgotten more about my Mormon Faith that you ever have learned in this life and probably the next.

I know more about Satanic Ritualistic Abuse committed and covered up by the Brethren that you’d be able to comprehend at your present level of understanding.

About 15 -25 per cent of the meeting houses have basements in No America.

Most Temples do, even the SLC Temple did until recently, where witnesses have came forward and testified seeing Tommy Monson as an Apostle eat and cannabalize babies in the 1970s.

There are also stories of Dr and President Russell Nelson performing abortions in that Temple basement. Hmmm..

Interesting they had to rid of that basement in the SLC Temple though, but I digress.

Quit while I'm behind? You're the one talking about "pastors".

I’ve forgotten more about my Mormon Faith that you ever have learned in this life and probably the next.

No idea how you estimated that, but you can at least get basic details right. Mormon bishops don't wear mitres or use shepherd's crooks. You might want to remember that bit too.

[notjamesbond003.5]

^*poster preceding this post- has been triggered^

[Seeker of Truth]

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This really has nothing to do with Hiding sexual abuse but since so many had been commenting on RMN I thought I might share it.
This is an excerpt from RMN's biography. It is talking about the death of his first wife. The story goes that it was un expected since she was in relative good heath for her old age. RMN has been an advocate for Western medicine all his life. He knows what awesome equipment and tools they have to help resuscitate people but he says here that he did not call the paramedics to come and help instead he tried to resuscitate her himself. A young healthy individual could not do CPR on anyone for more than ten minuets without passing out, yet he says he did it more than twenty then he took time out to call a friend for suggestions. This also ignores the fact that CPR is not used to resuscitate people it only keeps blood moving to carry oxygen to the brain. The only way to resuscitate is to use a defibrillator.
He never called the paramedics, if I understand correctly he declared her dead not a coroner. An autopsy was never conducted.
My question is how did she really die? He is a lover of medical system why did he not call for help? As a General Authority they probably have their own paramedics close by.

[Niemand]

^*poster preceding this post- has been triggered^

Deflection... I called you out because you write like someone who has never been a member of the LDS.

Also if you care about people so much - as you pretend to, stop using stupid words like "triggered". What are you? Thirteen? You can't even get that right either. No doubt these stories are just a source of entertainment for you.

[Robin Hood]

IMG_0029.JPG
This really has nothing to do with Hiding sexual abuse but since so many had been commenting on RMN I thought I might share it.
This is an excerpt from RMN's biography. It is talking about the death of his first wife. The story goes that it was un expected since she was in relative good heath for her old age. RMN has been an advocate for Western medicine all his life. He knows what awesome equipment and tools they have to help resuscitate people but he says here that he did not call the paramedics to come and help instead he tried to resuscitate her himself. A young healthy individual could not do CPR on anyone for more than ten minuets without passing out, yet he says he did it more than twenty then he took time out to call a friend for suggestions. This also ignores the fact that CPR is not used to resuscitate people it only keeps blood moving to carry oxygen to the brain. The only way to resuscitate is to use a defibrillator.
He never called the paramedics, if I understand correctly he declared her dead not a coroner. An autopsy was never conducted.
My question is how did she really die? He is a lover of medical system why did he not call for help? As a General Authority they probably have their own paramedics close by.

Yes it is rather odd. In fact, as a trained first aider myself we are instructed to call 999 or ensure that someone else does, as an absolute priority. CPR is practically worthless unless the paramedics are on their way. CPR only keeps blood flowing sufficiently to keep them technically alive until help arrives.
RMN did the wrong thing and had 0% chance of saving his wife.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Oh, wow, that info on RMN and the death of his wife just makes you say, "Hmmmmmmmmmm, that doesn't seem right."