We are not a church of truth!

[SPIRIT]

This is true. But it wasn't the prophet that led us astray. We went astray over same-sex marriage and homosexuality and then the Lord gave us the prophet we wanted. It makes me want to cry.

it WAS - "the prophets that led us astray" over the years. (The Drunkards of Ephraim - church leaders) Isa. 28

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Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

"The leaders of these people have misled them, and those who are led are confused” (Isaiah 9:13–16).

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They make the decisions (not revelations received) for the church,
and have led the church "astray" and to where it is now - IN TOTAL APOSTASY;
and it was long before same-sex marriage etc.
which - btw - Nelson lied about - being a revelation.

Years ago when Nelson said that the new gay policy on same-sex marriage was a revelation.

I copied some comments made about this

"I find it interesting that we now find out this was a revelation received by Monson, which was declared by Nelson, after being "clarified" by Church PR, after explained by Christofferson, after published by an apostate, after leaked by an anonymous source, after published in a document most members can't see.
God's work is mysterious indeed."

"The Lord does not work in secret or in the dark. He does not reveal a "revelation" by secretly putting it in a handbook that .2% of members can read, then clarify that "revelation" by sending a PR release, then an apostle to explain, then finally, weeks later, to have it declared revelation in a university fireside. The Lord's course is an eternal round. He does not change, nor vary to the right nor the Left."

"IF it was a revelation, then where is the revelation? Where is the revelation in the Two "Official Declarations" in the back of our D&C? Where is the text from the Lord? Why does He work in plainness to the Nephites, but not to us? Do we not need it? In this day and age of sin, iniquity and mass media, where is His voice!?! "
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"No prophet since Joseph Smith has really prophesied, acted as a seer or provided any significant revelation, except things like reversing Joseph Smith's polygamy revelations or reversing Brigham Young's (and succeeding prophets') ban on blacks receiving the priesthood. If we, as Latter-day Saints, believe Joseph Smith restored the gospel and was the first in a long line of prophets, then why have prophets since then not exhibited all of the same gifts that Joseph demonstrated and that the current Church teaches that existing prophets should have?"
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prophets and blacks and the priesthood.
http://www.mormonthink.com/prophetsweb.htm
http://www.mormonthink.com/blackweb.htm

I'm a member of Jesus Christs Church. I'm not a member of Pres. Nelsons Church. I'm not led astray, I have the Priesthood and The Holy Spirit for my guide. I don't give a dam who said what or did whatever. I focus on me. Again, I'm trying to stay spiritually clean that I might have the Spirit within me to testify of truth. If I am not sure about something I ask the Lord for a manifestation the Holy Ghost as to whether or not I need to follow what has been put in front of me. I also have common sense to which I use. My Church will always be Jesus Christs Church. Gay Marriage is an abomination. If Nelson or anyone else endorses it they'll be held accountable to Jesus Christ for it. I follow Christ and his teachings and the man who speaks with the power of the Spirit.

That's great - that you're a member of Jesus Christ's church,
and led by HIS SPIRIT - *

D&C 10
67 Behold, this is my doctrine—whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church.

* and not a member of the LDS church - which IS NOT Jesus Christ's church.

68 Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me,
but is against me; therefore he is not of my church.
69 And now, behold, whosoever is of my church, and endureth of my church to the end,
him will I establish upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.

now where have I heard that before - "rock" "and upon this rock I will build my church"
Matthew 16
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood
hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

* "every time "church" is mentioned in the New Testament,
it refers only to the people who believe in Christ"

so the Lord is saying,
WHOEVER repents, and comes to Him IS His church, (ANYONE)
and He will build His church - with those that come to Him,
the same way how it was revealed to Peter that He was the Christ -
that is - through the rock of revelation - His spirit - the Holy Ghost.

[Thinker]

There are two churches! One is the church of the Lamb of God, the other is the church of the devil! Our hearts determine which of the two we fall in, regardless of any organization or lack thereof! We are either following in the footsteps of Cain, even Master Mahan, or our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! Our Lord is determined by the dictates and intents of our hearts and minds! Lucifer, and Master Mahan would have us believe that the so-called "vaccine" is safe even though it is more dangerous than even the "mark of the beast". This one is intended to de-populate to save the precious polar ice caps! Although they would have us be out of work so that we can neither buy nor sell without giving our allegiance to the father of all lies, even satan the adversary of our souls! I say these things in the name of our true Lord and Saviour, even Jesus Christ who comes quickly! Amen!

I agree that the experimental shots (aka “covid vax”) are not good.

From a superficial perspective, it may seem that it’s all or nothing. Church leaders have taught bipolar/either-or thinking like “The church is either true or not” & “You are either on the Lord’s side or you’re not.” But this is distortion. Reality is a mess of both - “opposition in ALL things.” When people think in polarized extremes is when they tend to treat themselves & or others in extreme ways when really we all have good and bad.

Sorry to be the bearer of hard truth but our church’s name is based on Heaven’s Reward Fallacy and goes against Christ’s teachings (Eg Luke 17:20-21). In the psychological & spiritual battle we are being attacked with, the worst thing you could do is be deceived into thinking anyone else would come and save all & do that which only can be done by us - with God’s help.