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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 2:32 pm
by Serragon
h_p wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 2:29 pm
The lackluster defense is now asking for mistrial without prejudice, which would mean the snakes get another bite at Kyle. The judge rolled over and played dead when the tampered video evidence came to light, and the defense called Kraus on his lies about it. Kraus blamed everybody else: the defense, the video experts, the FBI... But all it takes is just throw out an excuse--the judge will accept literally anything at this point. The defense is still asleep at the wheel, or puts up a brief whimper, then goes back to staring at the table.
The RekietaLaw channel on Youtube has a lawyer joining occasionally who apparently has insight to the defense. Robert Barnes? Maybe he worked for them at some point. He has pointed out how much free help was offered to the defense team, but they turned it all down. They could have had Andrew Branca--the pre-eminent use-of-force expert in the country--on their team, but nope.
Kyle's life is in the hands of 3 dunces and 2 vipers right now. Lord, have mercy on him.
I had heard they also dismissed 2 attorneys whose expertise was in jury selection 1 day before jury selection. Seems like odd behavior.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 2:37 pm
by Serragon
h_p wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 2:29 pm
The lackluster defense is now asking for mistrial without prejudice, which would mean the snakes get another bite at Kyle. The judge rolled over and played dead when the tampered video evidence came to light, and the defense called Kraus on his lies about it. Kraus blamed everybody else: the defense, the video experts, the FBI... But all it takes is just throw out an excuse--the judge will accept literally anything at this point. The defense is still asleep at the wheel, or puts up a brief whimper, then goes back to staring at the table.
The RekietaLaw channel on Youtube has a lawyer joining occasionally who apparently has insight to the defense. Robert Barnes? Maybe he worked for them at some point. He has pointed out how much free help was offered to the defense team, but they turned it all down. They could have had Andrew Branca--the pre-eminent use-of-force expert in the country--on their team, but nope.
Kyle's life is in the hands of 3 dunces and 2 vipers right now. Lord, have mercy on him.
My thought is that the defense thought they had the case won and lost focus. They didn't think the new evidence amounted to anything.
What they failed to understand is that the new evidence was put there to give the woke jury members something to justify their opinion so that they wouldn't be swayed in deliberations. For progressives, the law doesn't matter. But when they can't get away from facts or other people who call out their nonsensical way of thinking, like in a jury deliberation, they can be swayed precisely because they are emotional subjective thinkers. This gives them some semblance of objective truth to hang their hat on to help them not be swayed. An emotional thinker who believes they are acting rationally is almost impossible to sway.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 3:15 pm
by TrueFaith
Piles of bricks are being found mysteriously in Kenosha right now. Probably delivered fresh by the FBI.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... ley-audio/
Also, turns out the prosecution deliberately tampered with the video evidence using "HandBrake" software.
https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/handbrake.html/
Our corrupt government on full display.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 4:15 pm
by markharr
No verdict today.
I am no legal expert but it can't be good that a jury is taking this long for something that should be a clear-cut case of self-defense. I'm guessing that the defense pushed for a mistrial because they are also getting nervous.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 4:17 pm
by markharr
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 4:28 pm
by markharr
Rittenhouse Prosecutor Blames Defense Lawyer for Having Android, Says It Compressed Drone Footage File
https://www.westernjournal.com/rittenho ... LWpep4Kp2o
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 4:34 pm
by Serragon
Just one lie after another.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 4:38 pm
by Serragon
markharr wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:15 pm
No verdict today.
I am no legal expert but it can't be good that a jury is taking this long for something that should be a clear-cut case of self-defense. I'm guessing that the defense pushed for a mistrial because they are also getting nervous.
It is tough to get 12 people to unify on a verdict, especially when everyone has such solid pre-conceived notions about this case. If you have a few ideologues or a few who are scared, it can be really tough as they simply won't budge.
I have a hard time believing that they will ever get 12 people to agree on conviction in a case where all the evidence is in favor of Rittenhouse. The only reason you would vote to convict him at this point would be on ideological grounds or out of fear. I suspect we are headed for a hung jury and we will see another trial in the future.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 5:10 pm
by h_p
Kraus is either lying or hallucinating. Assuming he's been acting in good faith (which I don't believe), he has no idea what happened, and he's just making stuff up, blaming anyone he can think of. Emailing a file does not compress a video. And even if it did, it would have been the sender's email software *before* it was sent, and not at the recipient's end. There's no point in compressing a video once it's already been received, since the only valid reason would be to keep the email under a certain file size. It's also clear that the video was cropped (compare the images markarr posted above). There is no email software in the world that would modify a file attachment like that.
The fact that he's got Handbrake software installed on his laptop implies he knows what it is and how to use it. If he's as ignorant about video modification as he claims, he wouldn't even know what that app is.
Ms. Wisco of the defense team even called him out on his inaccuracies right there in front of the judge, but it went nowhere.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 5:14 pm
by Vision
Serragon wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:38 pm
markharr wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:15 pm
No verdict today.
I am no legal expert but it can't be good that a jury is taking this long for something that should be a clear-cut case of self-defense. I'm guessing that the defense pushed for a mistrial because they are also getting nervous.
It is tough to get 12 people to unify on a verdict, especially when everyone has such solid pre-conceived notions about this case. If you have a few ideologues or a few who are scared, it can be really tough as they simply won't budge.
I have a hard time believing that they will ever get 12 people to agree on conviction in a case where all the evidence is in favor of Rittenhouse. The only reason you would vote to convict him at this point would be on ideological grounds or out of fear. I suspect we are headed for a hung jury and we will see another trial in the future.
I have been a juror 2x in pretty serious crime cases. You never know what your going to get out of people. I wouldn't want to be a juror for this case.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 5:15 pm
by Serragon
Vision wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 5:14 pm
Serragon wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:38 pm
markharr wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:15 pm
No verdict today.
I am no legal expert but it can't be good that a jury is taking this long for something that should be a clear-cut case of self-defense. I'm guessing that the defense pushed for a mistrial because they are also getting nervous.
It is tough to get 12 people to unify on a verdict, especially when everyone has such solid pre-conceived notions about this case. If you have a few ideologues or a few who are scared, it can be really tough as they simply won't budge.
I have a hard time believing that they will ever get 12 people to agree on conviction in a case where all the evidence is in favor of Rittenhouse. The only reason you would vote to convict him at this point would be on ideological grounds or out of fear. I suspect we are headed for a hung jury and we will see another trial in the future.
I have been a juror 2x in pretty serious crime cases. You never know what your going to get out of people. I wouldn't want to be a juror for this case.
I agree. I was on a jury recently. A doctor was also on the jury. After a few hours, he said to me "why do you keep talking about innocent until proven guilty? Where do you get that from?"
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 5:25 pm
by Vision
Serragon wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 5:15 pm
Vision wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 5:14 pm
Serragon wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:38 pm
markharr wrote: ↑November 17th, 2021, 4:15 pm
No verdict today.
I am no legal expert but it can't be good that a jury is taking this long for something that should be a clear-cut case of self-defense. I'm guessing that the defense pushed for a mistrial because they are also getting nervous.
It is tough to get 12 people to unify on a verdict, especially when everyone has such solid pre-conceived notions about this case. If you have a few ideologues or a few who are scared, it can be really tough as they simply won't budge.
I have a hard time believing that they will ever get 12 people to agree on conviction in a case where all the evidence is in favor of Rittenhouse. The only reason you would vote to convict him at this point would be on ideological grounds or out of fear. I suspect we are headed for a hung jury and we will see another trial in the future.
I have been a juror 2x in pretty serious crime cases. You never know what your going to get out of people. I wouldn't want to be a juror for this case.
I agree. I was on a jury recently. A doctor was also on the jury. After a few hours, he said to me "why do you keep talking about innocent until proven guilty? Where do you get that from?"
I had one guy nodding in a approval every time the prosecutors spoke, after the 3rd day of this I challenged him on it and we almost went to blows.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 17th, 2021, 7:10 pm
by h_p
This video evidence issue could be a big deal (should be, at least). You're definitely not going to hear about any of this from the legacy media, but if you're interested in this case at all, I think it'll be important to know, because if something appears to go sideways from this trial, people are not going to understand the seriousness of what happened today, and there will be accusations of misconduct to the judge, calls for blood, and all the usual from the mob. I think Andrew Branca has an excellent summary:
The act of provocation–specifically, the claim that [Kyle] pointed his rifle at others, provoking Joseph Rosenbaum to chase him across the Car Source parking lot–is supported by no other evidence but for this video. Without the video, then, there is no act of provocation, and the prosecution would then have the unlikely-to-win task of attacking Kyle’s claims of self-defense directly.
The prosecution has a Constitutional obligation to provide the defense with the evidence to be used against the defendant in court and failed to substantively meet this obligation by providing the defense with only a low-resolution version of this video, rather than the high-resolution version actually used as evidence before the jury.
Assistant DA Kraus had a laundry list of excuses for why the defense ended up with only a lower-resolution, smaller file size, different file name version of this critical drone video, including blaming everybody but himself–indeed, both this colleague ADA Binger and lead Detective Howard were blamed by Kraus, as well (of course) as the defense itself.
The judge was unconvinced by these excuses and suggested the possibility of putting the prosecution on the witness stand themselves to testify under oath as to how this video mix-up occurred.
Interestingly, a photo purportedly of ADA Kraus’ laptop screen being projected onto the large 4k TV screen in the courtroom shows the presence of an imaging software named Handbrake. I lack any technical expertise or experience with Handbrake software, but apparently, a core purpose is to generate low-definition versions of high-definition videos. This has led to speculation that the provision of the low-resolution video to the defense was not an accident at all, but rather an intentional act of the prosecution. If so, this would be prosecutorial misconduct sufficiently grievous to not only warrant a mistrial with prejudice but certainly misconduct perhaps even malicious prosecution charges.
My take on the judge's reaction was different than his--I felt like the judge didn't do much, but Mr. Branca is an attorney and is a lot more knowledgeable, so I'll defer to him. One can only hope to see those prosecutors in the hot seat over this. But I'm not holding my breath.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 11:12 am
by markharr
MSNBC was barred from the courtroom for the duration of the trial for following the jury bus.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1461386469927534600
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 11:54 am
by tdj
I'm getting rather annoyed with the jury at this point. Maybe they really ARE being meticulous, but it seems like a rather open and shut case to me. Certainly more open and shut then to require three days of deliberations. I had heard that there were a few jurors that were holding it up, but maybe that's just gossip.
I think they are rightfully afraid of the mobs reaction on a not guilty verdict, but every moment spent deliberating is absolute hell for this young man and his family. THAT I do take issue with.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 12:13 pm
by jreuben
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 2:45 pm
by tmac
At this point, I would say a very, very high probability of a hung jury.
And it is probably pretty unlikely that they will ever get anything but a hung jury.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 5:39 pm
by h_p
tdj wrote: ↑November 18th, 2021, 11:54 am
I'm getting rather annoyed with the jury at this point. Maybe they really ARE being meticulous, but it seems like a rather open and shut case to me. Certainly more open and shut then to require three days of deliberations. I had heard that there were a few jurors that were holding it up, but maybe that's just gossip.
I think they are rightfully afraid of the mobs reaction on a not guilty verdict, but every moment spent deliberating is absolute hell for this young man and his family. THAT I do take issue with.
There's a few clues coming out from the jury that the foreman is a mask karen. (Two of the jurors have been masked the entire time, unlike everybody else in the courtroom, which gives a good indication of their political leanings.) She asked to take a copy of the jury instructions home tonight, and at least one of the jurors wanted to scrutinize the infamous lynchpin video allegedly showing Kyle pointing his rifle at the Ziminskis--which of course propelled Our Hero Rosenbaum into action to stop the Active Shooter--on the big 4K monitor. This tells a lot: they're apparently in a deadlock right now, the lynchpin video isn't convincing enough and the foreman and others are arguing for a conviction on one or more charges, and the others are ready to acquit. She'll surely be back in the morning after an evening of internet research (disallowed, but who cares) to bolster her case.
An attorney who got kicked off the defense team paid out of his own pocket to do an opinion survey in Kenosha to get a sense of the incoming jury pool--he found that 80% of the population thinks Kyle is guilty. This attorney was pushing for a very thorough jury selection process because of this, but got voted down and out by lead atty Richards, and the resulting sloppy jury selection allowed at least one person like this Karen in.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 6:14 am
by markharr
Meanwhile: Ghislaine Maxwell's trial has started but, the Rittenhouse trial is a nice distraction
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 8:36 am
by Vision
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 11:15 am
by Godislove
Verdict: Not guilty on all counts
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 11:32 am
by nightlight
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 11:46 am
by jreuben
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 11:52 am
by markharr
Pretty sure he murdered that prosecutor's career.
Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Poll)
Posted: November 19th, 2021, 12:25 pm
by Chip
The brethren… they must be very disappointed.
