what would anyone recommend for a sub moa 50 cal outofbox

[firend]

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with Serbu, or barrett, or armalight versions of 50 cal. etc

Any other thoughts on 338 lapua, etc would be helpful. Just don't want to buy the wrong thing

lol. ps. pls don't ask why someone would want a 50 cal lol

[Stumpjumper]

If I had the $$$ laying around I would pick me up a Barrett .50 Cal. Why Not.

[ShawnC]

You are looking at about 5 to 8 grand. Would be nice to have that kind of money laying around. Get a .308 and spend the rest on food storage.

[ktg]

Contact these guys: http://www.gaprecision.net/
I've had them build 2 guns. Both were SWEET!

[reidbump]

Get a .308 and spend the rest on food storage.

Which manufacturer? I have my 40 cal handgun and .223 assault rifle and I'm relatively new to the large caliber realm so I was wondering why you recommend the .308 in lieu of the 50 cal? Also, do you recommend that I get a larger caliber in my gun "portfolio"?

[Col. Flagg]

Get a .308 and spend the rest on food storage.

Which manufacturer? I have my 40 cal handgun and .223 assault rifle and I'm relatively new to the large caliber realm so I was wondering why you recommend the .308 in lieu of the 50 cal? Also, do you recommend that I get a larger caliber in my gun "portfolio"?

40 cal handgun? .223 assault rifle? .308? 50 cal? That's child's play... why not go for a bazooka or one of them new future weapons they feature every week on the Discovery channel?

[firend]

Contact these guys: http://www.gaprecision.net/
I've had them build 2 guns. Both were SWEET!

Thanks KTG. Went to the website, and they look pretty good.

[ShawnC]

Get a .308 and spend the rest on food storage.

Which manufacturer? I have my 40 cal handgun and .223 assault rifle and I'm relatively new to the large caliber realm so I was wondering why you recommend the .308 in lieu of the 50 cal? Also, do you recommend that I get a larger caliber in my gun "portfolio"?

Because the 50 is like 10 bucks a round and the .308 is generally accepted as the all around sniper round. The cops use a remington model 700 I think in their swat teams. I have shot them and generally like them. .50 cal is just overkill unless you are picking off gadiantons at 1.5 miles.

[Blip]

Plan on buying an extrah barrel with any 338 you buy. They are barrel burners. I am a good shot, but the 338 exceeds my skill level and am happy with a 308 30-06 or 7mm. 300 win mags are great too.

I have shot a lot of fifties. Why wouldn't you want one. The ammo is high dollar, but you can plan on being able to take out light armor. Even some medium armor if you hit them right. They are all accurate, but there is a single shot out there that sucks (I heard). It is a bit of a surpise and I can't remember the brand.

[ktg]

You are looking at about 5 to 8 grand. Would be nice to have that kind of money laying around. Get a .308 and spend the rest on food storage.

Unless you have a specific reason to get a .50, I'd agree with ShawnC. I've owned a multitude of different rifle calibers. .223, 22-250, 6mm PPC, .257 STW, 7mm Mag, 300 Mag, 30-06, .308, 338 Lapua, 338 Lapua Imp. and probably some I've forgot. Rifles I now own are a .22, two ar-15's, and a QUALITY .308. Why? The ammo is relatively cheap, available anywhere, kill anything in the US except the big bears, will last nearly forever. Sure, the big boys will shoot further than a .308 but mine will stay supersonic to 1000 yards shooting 175gr SMKs. That's plenty far enough for me. Spend the rest on food storage AND plenty of ammo!

[firend]

Ya, I have been doing some research. Now from the forums and websights i have been on the Serbu 50 cal (around $2200) the Ar50 (low 3000's) and Barrett (upper 3000's to like 10G) are all rated good.

So if I can get a serbu 50 cal that shoots sub-moa for low 2's, why would someone want to pay $3000 plus for a custom built 308, etc.

Any more advice or experience ya'll have would be most helpful.

[Blip]

I got a savage 308 with a heavy barrel that will shoot better than I can. It was about $530 when I got it. And I can shoot about 20 (not great) inch groups at 600 meters with black hills 168 match. That is my max effective range.....right now it could be less. Pick a round and stick to it. The trajectory changes shooting up hill or down for different bullets/calibers and loads. Reload (don't ask me) or get some good ammo. Pay for someone else to reload it and stick with them, or keep the stats on your specific round. I like 30-06 better, but I got more time on the 308. ? So I guess I like the 308 better.

[Blip]

Ya, I have been doing some research. Now from the forums and websights i have been on the Serbu 50 cal (around $2200) the Ar50 (low 3000's) and Barrett (upper 3000's to like 10G) are all rated good.

So if I can get a serbu 50 cal that shoots sub-moa for low 2's, why would someone want to pay $3000 plus for a custom built 308, etc.

Any more advice or experience ya'll have would be most helpful.

Dude get a fifty if you want. It has it's aps. You will have to carry a heavy noticable weapon with heavy rounds. In martial law there will be a lot of light armor vehicles. Who do you think they will go after first? Please take some heat off of me. On the other hand????? The 50 is not practical for a one man operation. Maybe at the outside a 2. And that is pushing it on your group capability. If you got the money then get it.

Good luck trying to get reloads when industry is gone. But it would be nice to have.

[Blip]

Because the 50 is like 10 bucks a round and the .308 is generally accepted as the all around sniper round. The cops use a remington model 700 I think in their swat teams. I have shot them and generally like them. .50 cal is just overkill unless you are picking off gadiantons at 1.5 miles.

A .50 as Blip pointed out, has many more uses (most of which it was designed for) other than sniping (which it isn't really the ideal tool nor was it designed for that as a primary function).

If you want a cheap sniper rifle get a Savage in .300 WSM with the accu-trigger. Short action allows you to maintain cheek weld between shots. The gun and round will out perform .308s costing two or three times as much! Use the savings to stock up on ammo...buy brass, reloading equip, etc.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/011356012906.html

If you want an expensive stick and have plenty of cheese to spare...Cheytac .408

http://www.cheytac.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.408_Chey_Tac
http://www.cheytac.com/White%20Paper2007.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTLsgCH ... re=related

Now if you want to take out trucks, bunkered positions, etc then the .50 is your beast. The Barrett semi-auto is the way to go.

Maybe i need help on this. Isn't it true that all these 30-06 308 300 and so forth are 30 cal? The bullets are interchangeable? The bullets for your reloaders. So you just need the brass for these popular rounds.

[Blip]

Rodger!

That is what I thought.


People need to understand that your group size (may) determines your weapons. A one man operation is deadly and unseen, but the weapons are limited. A 2 man increases your force capablility but limits your stealth. I wouldn't want a 50 till I got in the 6 to 8 man range (depending). It goes up from there. A 1,000 man operation.....well forget it and carry what you want and that would include heavy armor (That can be destroyed and left if needed). Now if the unit has a special op, it changes some. If you have a mission to take out an object that requires a 50 then 2 men might be perfect. But you don't engage the enemy. You simply take out that object and run off. Don't see a whole lot of aps for a 50 with a small foot operation. But when you need one you need it. Just like anything else.

If you are wealthy then get it.

[Blip]

Agreed. If you are worried about Russian light or medium armor then you need to consider a terrain that will defeat this threat. It would be a better strategy to go gorilla warfare. And demorolize the enemy with traps, ambushes and fast moving units in a defensive ground. That is if the Russians invade. Or chinese.

[Blip]

Very true! Not sending out smoke signals and dust clouds with a .50 - that's for sure!

I highly doubt we will see anything on that scale for some time. The scenario I expect is social disorder and collapse. Riots, thuggery, mobs, etc. Perhaps after some period of time and once the government completely collapses - then the world powers at the time may decide to come in and split up the spoils. At that point in time our only ability to withstand them will be via an organized defense (i.e. Zion) with the ability to mass produce the weapons needed.

The other "world" powers will have plenty of problems on their hands too....check out China's drought and the annihilation of their wheat crop! Any society is 3 days and 9 meals away from collapse!

Agreed. Smoke and all.

[ryanjenny1997]

well, I know the mini 14 will do some good work. It shoots about 3 moa with Iron sights, atleast the ones I am around. With a red dot, and 200m or less I think it will work great.

It is gas piston so can fire dirty, otherwise I don't want to pay 2grand for a AR gas piston when I could get the Serbu 50 cal lol.

Ofcourse in my opinion if i could only have one toy, it would be a 22, like a charger 10/22. Can do many jobs quietly, light ammo, light gun, etc.

Does anyone know if any 22 pistols other than charger with a scope can accurately take a squirrel with confidence beyond 50 yards?

[lamanite]

From what I'm told, armor is much thicker than the original 50 cal days and even if the armor is light armor, you'll be needing armor piercing and/or incendiary rounds for it (good luck). I sure wouldn't bet on taking down a tank or helicopter.

[Blip]

From what I'm told, armor is much thicker than the original 50 cal days and even if the armor is light armor, you'll be needing armor piercing and/or incendiary rounds for it (good luck). I sure wouldn't bet on taking down a tank or helicopter.

A fifty will still do a lot of damaged if placed right. Yes of coarse armor piercing. Hum V armor sucks....trust me. Apc's can be taken out with a fifty too.

Go for the blades on the helicopter!

Tails too. The heli is light armor. They can be taken with lighter calibers if you can get past the darned tech.

[jbalm]

Agree about the helicopters. They are fragile

[Toto]

Check out what the Gads got their mitts on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[Blip]

Black Water (Xe)............mmmm. I hate mercs. Always did. They lose all honor when they go to these groups. They would cut their own babies throats if the money was there. Atleast, that is how I view them.

It is made to terrorize in urban warfare. It would be a good trench gun too. Try to get your hands on one.

[Toto]

Yeah the AA-12 is bad....a street sweeper for sure. Check out the Dillon though...
http://yophat.blogspot.com/2009/02/dillon.html

Looks like a great housekeeping implement. Seems like it could clean both House AND Senate in a jiffy!