They Know.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

[LDS Watchman]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

[tmac]

You're right, here it goes again.

But just trying to connect a few dots, Atticus, do you work for Kirton McConkie?

[LDS Watchman]

You're right, here it goes again.

But just trying to connect a few dots, Atticus, do you work for Kirton McConkie?

No, just a true believing member of the Lord's church trying to save a few souls from being led astray down forbidden paths.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Cognitive dissonance.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

It will never apply to the people you don’t want it to.

You just admitted to me that it can easily refer to an apostle, who the church considers prophets, yet I seem to recall Rasband telling us all that if we follow the prophets we will “NEVER” be led astray.

If it’s something that can never happen, why would we be taught it in scripture by Christ?

[Reluctant Watchman]

"And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.

But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.

Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings."

[InfoWarrior82]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

Are our church leaders who have the title "Prophets, Seers, and Revelators" a different breed of PSRs? Like a "mini Prophet"? Or "Prophet-Lite"? Why and when did this get introduced? Do we have any citation from Jesus Christ explaining this phenomenon?

[Gadianton Slayer]

Those verses in Ammon clarify exactly who is being spoken about in verses 46-47. We have prophets, we have revelators, and we have seers.

If someone is seeing for us, they are obviously a seer who “know(s) of things which are past, and also of things which are to come”...

As I recall, the brethren claim to be prophets, seers, and revelators.

[TruthSeeker77]

You're right, here it goes again.

But just trying to connect a few dots, Atticus, do you work for Kirton McConkie?

No, just a true believing member of the Lord's church trying to save a few souls from being led astray down forbidden paths.

"SAVE?"

I have a Savior.

You aren't Him.

[Gadianton Slayer]

You're right, here it goes again.

But just trying to connect a few dots, Atticus, do you work for Kirton McConkie?

No, just a true believing member of the Lord's church trying to save a few souls from being led astray down forbidden paths.

"SAVE?"

I have a Savior.

You aren't Him.

There’s the gospel of the brethren and the gospel of Christ, he is saving you from the latter

[LDS Watchman]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

It will never apply to the people you don’t want it to.

You just admitted to me that it can easily refer to an apostle, who the church considers prophets, yet I seem to recall Rasband telling us all that if we follow the prophets we will “NEVER” be led astray.

If it’s something that can never happen, why would we be taught it in scripture by Christ?

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

[Luke]

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

This isn't how it works. If they have already led you astray before being excommunicated, then you have been led astray nonetheless.

What is your opinion on the Adam-God Doctrine?

[Gadianton Slayer]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

It will never apply to the people you don’t want it to.

You just admitted to me that it can easily refer to an apostle, who the church considers prophets, yet I seem to recall Rasband telling us all that if we follow the prophets we will “NEVER” be led astray.

If it’s something that can never happen, why would we be taught it in scripture by Christ?

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

They will never be excommunicated because they can “never lead you astray.”

Their words, not mine.

[LDS Watchman]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

Are our church leaders who have the title "Prophets, Seers, and Revelators" a different breed of PSRs? Like a "mini Prophet"? Or "Prophet-Lite"? Why and when did this get introduced? Do we have any citation from Jesus Christ explaining this phenomenon?

Not even sure what you are asking, but it was Joseph Smith who first had the saints sustain the entire first presidency and quorum of the 12 apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators.

"I then made a short address, and called upon the several quorums, and all the congregation of saints to acknowledge the Presidency as prophets, and seers, and uphold them by their prayers. They all covenanted to do so by rising.
I then called upon the quorums and congregations of saints to acknowledge the Twelve Apostles, who were present, as prophets and Seers, <​Revelators​> and special witnesses to all the nations of the earth, holding the keys of the kingdom, to unlock it or cause it to be done among them, and uphold them by their prayers, which they assented to by rising."

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper ... /170#facts

[LDS Watchman]

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

It will never apply to the people you don’t want it to.

You just admitted to me that it can easily refer to an apostle, who the church considers prophets, yet I seem to recall Rasband telling us all that if we follow the prophets we will “NEVER” be led astray.

If it’s something that can never happen, why would we be taught it in scripture by Christ?

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

They will never be excommunicated because they can “never lead you astray.”

Their words, not mine.

Those are your words. They never said that. Please don't lie.

[LDS Watchman]

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

This isn't how it works. If they have already led you astray before being excommunicated, then you have been led astray nonetheless.

What is your opinion on the Adam-God Doctrine?

That's exactly how it works.

[Gadianton Slayer]

It will never apply to the people you don’t want it to.

You just admitted to me that it can easily refer to an apostle, who the church considers prophets, yet I seem to recall Rasband telling us all that if we follow the prophets we will “NEVER” be led astray.

If it’s something that can never happen, why would we be taught it in scripture by Christ?

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

They will never be excommunicated because they can “never lead you astray.”

Their words, not mine.

Those are your words. They never said that. Please don't lie.

They said that a prophet “cannot lead you astray.”

If a prophet cannot lead you astray then why would they need to be excommunicated?

[Luke]

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

This isn't how it works. If they have already led you astray before being excommunicated, then you have been led astray nonetheless.

What is your opinion on the Adam-God Doctrine?

That's exactly how it works.

Obviously it is though. Because if they have led you astray before they have been excommunicated for leading you astray, then it's too late because you have already been led astray.

Also can you answer my question re the Adam-God Doctrine.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Blood atonement would be another one to get Atti's opinion on.

[InfoWarrior82]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

Here we go again. More false charges against leaders of the Lord's church.

Those verses don't say that the eye is a seer, the greatest of all prophets. That's your private interpretation.

46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This could just as easily be referring to any church leader. Could be a bishop, EQ president, Stake president, Area Seventy, or even an Apostle. All of these individuals have been excommunicated in the past. And if Nelson were to commit some sin worthy of excommunication he would be removed, too.

Are our church leaders who have the title "Prophets, Seers, and Revelators" a different breed of PSRs? Like a "mini Prophet"? Or "Prophet-Lite"? Why and when did this get introduced? Do we have any citation from Jesus Christ explaining this phenomenon?

Not even sure what you are asking, but it was Joseph Smith who first had the saints sustain the entire first presidency and quorum of the 12 apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators.

"I then made a short address, and called upon the several quorums, and all the congregation of saints to acknowledge the Presidency as prophets, and seers, and uphold them by their prayers. They all covenanted to do so by rising.
I then called upon the quorums and congregations of saints to acknowledge the Twelve Apostles, who were present, as prophets and Seers, <​Revelators​> and special witnesses to all the nations of the earth, holding the keys of the kingdom, to unlock it or cause it to be done among them, and uphold them by their prayers, which they assented to by rising."

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper ... /170#facts

I'm asking why our modern prophets don't do what prophets in the scriptures do. Some of those things are found in Elder Hugh B. Brown's talk called "The Profile of a Prophet". Have you read it? What do you think about the 11 minimum requirements he lays out that each man claiming to be a prophet needs to have?

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... t?lang=eng


It seems to me that our current prophets don't meet the requirements, so perhaps they are a different kind of "prophet"? If they are a different kind of prophet, what is this sub-classification? Do we have any citation from Jesus Christ describing this new kind of prophet?

[SPIRIT]

You're right, here it goes again.

But just trying to connect a few dots, Atticus, do you work for Kirton McConkie?

actually I think there's a few in this forum that work for the church and have been sent here. *
(too much truth told here - bringing to light the church's lies and follies - showing their apostasy)
that the church needs to try to do something about it.
* Of course if you asked them - they would probably lie and say they didn't. but what can you expect.

[LDS Watchman]

You're right, here it goes again.

But just trying to connect a few dots, Atticus, do you work for Kirton McConkie?

No, just a true believing member of the Lord's church trying to save a few souls from being led astray down forbidden paths.

"SAVE?"

I have a Savior.

You aren't Him.

Never said I was.

But the Lord said the following about the members of his church.

9 For they were set to be a light unto the world, and to be the saviors of men;

D&C 103:9

That's what I'm striving to do.

[SPIRIT]

Guys, think about this.

This is the church heading of JST Mark 9:

Jesus compares cutting off an offending hand or foot to discontinuing associations that may lead one astray.

What’s missing?

The eye, the seer. Verses 46-47. They intentionally left out the fact that the greatest of all prophets can lead us astray, literally in the header using the same phrase: “lead one astray”.

They know without a doubt that they are teaching false doctrine.

the church has made so may changes to the scriptures - hiding many things - no wonder why members are misled
and have a hard time finding the truth.

[LDS Watchman]

If any church leader, including an apostle, is excommunicated for serious transgression, then they aren't able to lead anyone astray are they?

They will never be excommunicated because they can “never lead you astray.”

Their words, not mine.

Those are your words. They never said that. Please don't lie.

They said that a prophet “cannot lead you astray.”

If a prophet cannot lead you astray then why would they need to be excommunicated?

For serious transgression or attempting to lead the people astray.