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A mainstream women's magazine at least had the guts to print this.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study ... id-vaccine

Study Shows That Up To 8 In 10 Women Had A Miscarriage After Getting The Covid Vaccine Before The Third Trimester

A recent study in The New England Journal of Medicine has some shocking results about pregnant women who received the Covid vaccine early in their pregnancy.

BY JANE SWIFT
Sep 22nd 2021· 4 min read

The June 2021 study called “Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons” purports to study the effects that the Covid vaccine has on pregnancies, including miscarriages, stillbirths, anomalies, and live births.

The study tracked 3,958 women who received the vaccine before and during pregnancy (the group was a mix of Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna recipients). Among the women, 92 participants (2.3%) had received the vaccine before conception, 1132 (28.6%) received the vaccine in the first trimester, 1714 (43.3%) in the second trimester, and 1019 (25.7%) in the third trimester.

This is what the study found: “Among 827 participants who had a completed pregnancy, the pregnancy resulted in a live birth in 712 (86.1%), in a spontaneous abortion in 104 (12.6%), in stillbirth in 1 (0.1%), and in other outcomes (induced abortion and ectopic pregnancy) in 10 (1.2%). A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.”

Niemand wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 6:23 am A mainstream women's magazine at least had the guts to print this.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study ... id-vaccine

Study Shows That Up To 8 In 10 Women Had A Miscarriage After Getting The Covid Vaccine Before The Third Trimester

A recent study in The New England Journal of Medicine has some shocking results about pregnant women who received the Covid vaccine early in their pregnancy.

BY JANE SWIFT
Sep 22nd 2021· 4 min read

The June 2021 study called “Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons” purports to study the effects that the Covid vaccine has on pregnancies, including miscarriages, stillbirths, anomalies, and live births.

The study tracked 3,958 women who received the vaccine before and during pregnancy (the group was a mix of Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna recipients). Among the women, 92 participants (2.3%) had received the vaccine before conception, 1132 (28.6%) received the vaccine in the first trimester, 1714 (43.3%) in the second trimester, and 1019 (25.7%) in the third trimester.

This is what the study found: “Among 827 participants who had a completed pregnancy, the pregnancy resulted in a live birth in 712 (86.1%), in a spontaneous abortion in 104 (12.6%), in stillbirth in 1 (0.1%), and in other outcomes (induced abortion and ectopic pregnancy) in 10 (1.2%). A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.”

Let's break down these numbers:

Pre conception: 92
First Trimester: 1132
Second Trimester: 1714
Third Trimester: 1019

Total: 3957.

Vaccines taken: Pfizer and Moderna (the mRNA vaccines, unspecified quantity of people that took either vaccine).

Completed pregnancies: 827 (meaning that the 3130 remaining people in the study were still in pregnancy, which makes sense considering the vaccines are spaced apart approximately 3 weeks to a month).

Of the 827 completed pregnancies we have:

712 Live births
104 Spontaneous Abortions
1 Stillbirth
10 Induced Abortions or Ectopic Pregnancies

96 of the 104 Spontaneous Abortions happened in the First Trimester.

700 of 712 Live Birth pregnancies happened in the Third Trimester. So assuming that all 8 spontaneous abortions happened in the Third Trimester, that leaves the possibility of 4 Induced Abortions or Ectopic Pregnancies or Stillbirth.

The data that nearly 1 in 10 (not 8 in 10) of the First Trimester vaccine takers is concerning and would indicate that the vaccines in question should NOT be offered to people in the first three months of pregnancy. The limitation on this study is that we don't have exact numbers of people who took the Pfizer shot or the Moderna shot. Nor do we have data on the other vaccines.

Luckily, my local government has seen these data and do NOT vaccinate people who are pregnant (in any stage).

I had someone tell me that our government doesn't recommend it to pregnant women. I pointed out that they do. They even have radio adverts here to get women to do so. One of them had the line "midwives say"...

Whenever I hear something like that, I want to ask 'which midwives? Name them?". As bad as those lines "scientists say" or "science says' we hear all the time, which are equally meaningless.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 12:33 pm I had someone tell me that our government doesn't recommend it to pregnant women. I pointed out that they do. They even have radio adverts here to get women to do so. One of them had the line "midwives say"...

Whenever I hear something like that, I want to ask 'which midwives? Name them?". As bad as those lines "scientists say" or "science says' we hear all the time, which are equally meaningless.

What I try to point out on these types of threads is that we need a MUCH higher degree of statistical literacy. Bringing out statistics that are sensationalist in the title and then proven to be sensationalistic upon further review, is easy pickings for a lazy fat checker that might through his refutal, say that the vaccines are completely safe (which is also a wrong assertion).

What we have to do is to break down the statistics into their individual parts, relate them all, discuss any limitations in the statistics, and the like. That's how the breakdown becomes 1 out of 10 instead of 8 out of 10.

That 1 out of 10 miscarrying is more than sufficient grounds to raise a concern and investigate further the two vaccine makers in similar studies brought about. Any drug that was under review from an impartial drug agency would have to be counterindicated against pregnant people taking it if it was found that 1 in 10 people had a miscarriage in the first trimester. This was precisely what Mexico's drug board did: They counterindicated the application of the vaccines (there are eight vaccines currently being used in Mexico to combat coronavirus) to pregnant women in ANY stage; that is, if you are pregnant, you have to wait for your baby to be born before getting the shot.

Numbers aren't my strongpoint, but there is more than enough in there to raise the alarm.

There are some obvious lies being told. The WHO had an advert saying the shots are 100% safe and proven by scientists. Both claims are blatantly untrue. Not even a saline drip is 100% safe

Niemand wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 2:08 pm Numbers aren't my strongpoint, but there is more than enough in there to raise the alarm.

There are some obvious lies being told. The WHO had an advert saying the shots are 100% safe and proven by scientists. Both claims are blatantly untrue. Not even a saline drip is 100% safe

This is sheer and irresponsible laziness. Something that is 100% safe would not have side effects, much less catastrophic side effects resulting in death.

A much better thing would be to say, "The vaccines do this, this, this, and that. We recommend its usage to all adults 18 and up, but consult with your physician before taking the vaccination as each case may be different." This essentially is what President Nelson did when he came out with the social media post regarding vaccination to COVID all the way back in January. I only got the shot which I got after consulting with my doctors who went through the ingredients; they did not want to induce a medical allergy, like what I got previously from a painkiller. Then, and only then, did I get the shot.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 2:20 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 2:08 pm Numbers aren't my strongpoint, but there is more than enough in there to raise the alarm.

There are some obvious lies being told. The WHO had an advert saying the shots are 100% safe and proven by scientists. Both claims are blatantly untrue. Not even a saline drip is 100% safe

This is sheer and irresponsible laziness. Something that is 100% safe would not have side effects, much less catastrophic side effects resulting in death.

A much better thing would be to say, "The vaccines do this, this, this, and that. We recommend its usage to all adults 18 and up, but consult with your physician before taking the vaccination as each case may be different." This essentially is what President Nelson did when he came out with the social media post regarding vaccination to COVID all the way back in January. I only got the shot which I got after consulting with my doctors who went through the ingredients; they did not want to induce a medical allergy, like what I got previously from a painkiller. Then, and only then, did I get the shot.

... curious, Will you be getting the booster shot?

Subcomandante wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 11:36 am

Niemand wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 6:23 am A mainstream women's magazine at least had the guts to print this.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study ... id-vaccine

Study Shows That Up To 8 In 10 Women Had A Miscarriage After Getting The Covid Vaccine Before The Third Trimester

A recent study in The New England Journal of Medicine has some shocking results about pregnant women who received the Covid vaccine early in their pregnancy.

BY JANE SWIFT
Sep 22nd 2021· 4 min read

The June 2021 study called “Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons” purports to study the effects that the Covid vaccine has on pregnancies, including miscarriages, stillbirths, anomalies, and live births.

The study tracked 3,958 women who received the vaccine before and during pregnancy (the group was a mix of Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna recipients). Among the women, 92 participants (2.3%) had received the vaccine before conception, 1132 (28.6%) received the vaccine in the first trimester, 1714 (43.3%) in the second trimester, and 1019 (25.7%) in the third trimester.

This is what the study found: “Among 827 participants who had a completed pregnancy, the pregnancy resulted in a live birth in 712 (86.1%), in a spontaneous abortion in 104 (12.6%), in stillbirth in 1 (0.1%), and in other outcomes (induced abortion and ectopic pregnancy) in 10 (1.2%). A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.”

Let's break down these numbers:

Pre conception: 92
First Trimester: 1132
Second Trimester: 1714
Third Trimester: 1019

Total: 3957.

Vaccines taken: Pfizer and Moderna (the mRNA vaccines, unspecified quantity of people that took either vaccine).

Completed pregnancies: 827 (meaning that the 3130 remaining people in the study were still in pregnancy, which makes sense considering the vaccines are spaced apart approximately 3 weeks to a month).

Of the 827 completed pregnancies we have:

712 Live births
104 Spontaneous Abortions
1 Stillbirth
10 Induced Abortions or Ectopic Pregnancies

96 of the 104 Spontaneous Abortions happened in the First Trimester.

700 of 712 Live Birth pregnancies happened in the Third Trimester. So assuming that all 8 spontaneous abortions happened in the Third Trimester, that leaves the possibility of 4 Induced Abortions or Ectopic Pregnancies or Stillbirth.

The data that nearly 1 in 10 (not 8 in 10) of the First Trimester vaccine takers is concerning and would indicate that the vaccines in question should NOT be offered to people in the first three months of pregnancy. The limitation on this study is that we don't have exact numbers of people who took the Pfizer shot or the Moderna shot. Nor do we have data on the other vaccines.

Luckily, my local government has seen these data and do NOT vaccinate people who are pregnant (in any stage).

1 out of 10 is the miscarriage rate in the general populace (the best approximation of a control we have for this study), so this study indicates that there is no increased risk or miscarriage.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... c-20354298

BroJones wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 3:20 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 2:20 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 2:08 pm Numbers aren't my strongpoint, but there is more than enough in there to raise the alarm.

There are some obvious lies being told. The WHO had an advert saying the shots are 100% safe and proven by scientists. Both claims are blatantly untrue. Not even a saline drip is 100% safe

This is sheer and irresponsible laziness. Something that is 100% safe would not have side effects, much less catastrophic side effects resulting in death.

A much better thing would be to say, "The vaccines do this, this, this, and that. We recommend its usage to all adults 18 and up, but consult with your physician before taking the vaccination as each case may be different." This essentially is what President Nelson did when he came out with the social media post regarding vaccination to COVID all the way back in January. I only got the shot which I got after consulting with my doctors who went through the ingredients; they did not want to induce a medical allergy, like what I got previously from a painkiller. Then, and only then, did I get the shot.

... curious, Will you be getting the booster shot?

There is no plan in place for getting booster shots in Mexico. In addition, SINOVAC does not offer boosters to begin with.

The article explains how it’s 8/10 and not 1/10:

“However, this study is focusing specifically on how the Covid vaccine impacts pregnancy, including by trimester. So to more precisely calculate the miscarriage rate, we have to remember that miscarriages, by definition, occur before the 20-week gestation mark. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage. So really, 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage. This means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.9%, or 8 out of 10 women – way, way above the national average.”

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 5:45 pm The article explains how it’s 8/10 and not 1/10:

“However, this study is focusing specifically on how the Covid vaccine impacts pregnancy, including by trimester. So to more precisely calculate the miscarriage rate, we have to remember that miscarriages, by definition, occur before the 20-week gestation mark. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage. So really, 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage. This means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.9%, or 8 out of 10 women – way, way above the national average.”

The study involved 1132 women in their first trimester, not 127.

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 5:45 pm The article explains how it’s 8/10 and not 1/10:

“However, this study is focusing specifically on how the Covid vaccine impacts pregnancy, including by trimester. So to more precisely calculate the miscarriage rate, we have to remember that miscarriages, by definition, occur before the 20-week gestation mark. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage. So really, 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage. This means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.9%, or 8 out of 10 women – way, way above the national average.”

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franklinbluth wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 6:05 pm

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 27th, 2021, 5:45 pm The article explains how it’s 8/10 and not 1/10:

“However, this study is focusing specifically on how the Covid vaccine impacts pregnancy, including by trimester. So to more precisely calculate the miscarriage rate, we have to remember that miscarriages, by definition, occur before the 20-week gestation mark. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage. So really, 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage. This means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.9%, or 8 out of 10 women – way, way above the national average.”

The study involved 1132 women in their first trimester, not 127.

True, the article is a little misleading. The statistic used to calculate a non-anomalous miscarriage rate utilized only that portion of the study population that "completed" pregnancy, namely, 827 pregnancies with 104 "spontaneous abortions," which gives us 12.6%. Okay, sure. But then the article attempts to paint the kicker as when you narrow the definition of "spontaneous abortion" to a miscarriage within the first half of pregnancy (technically a miscarriage as opposed to a stillbirth), the population narrows to 127 but the 104 remains, leading to a miscarriage percentage of 81.9%. But this is sort of like saying that all fatalities occurring in vehicles happened on paved roads; of course "completed" pregnancies within 2 – 3 weeks of the first trimester will not be normal births.

In other words, what's the national average of miscarriages among women who "complete" their pregnancies sometime during the first half of normal gestation? Well, excluding normal gestational births in that way, the national average is probably also 81.9%!

This does have to be taken with a grain of salt, however, as it is not known yet how many of the mothers who were vaccinated in the first trimester will actually go on to have a normal birth. As the study itself says:

"A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation. No denominator was available to calculate a risk estimate for spontaneous abortions, because at the time of this report, follow-up through 20 weeks was not yet available for 905 of the 1224 participants vaccinated within 30 days before the first day of the last menstrual period or in the first trimester."

Wisely, the study states that a firm conclusion on the effects of early-pregnancy vaccination cannot be made given the data:

"Early data from the v-safe surveillance system, the v-safe pregnancy registry, and the VAERS do not indicate any obvious safety signals with respect to pregnancy or neonatal outcomes associated with Covid-19 vaccination in the third trimester of pregnancy. Continued monitoring is needed to further assess maternal, pregnancy, neonatal, and childhood outcomes associated with maternal Covid-19 vaccination, including in earlier stages of pregnancy and during the preconception period."

This is all to say that time will tell what the damage of these vaccines will be to the human body, whether it is in affected pregnancies or other ways.

The spirit's protecting influence is not to be vindicated by any one study or graph, though the church's guiding committees would beg to differ.