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just watched a vid where 4 renderings of Western US Temple’s display no Moroni’s?

if true, the fleeing from all things “Mormon” by the RMN regime marches onward???


https://youtu.be/MSGYCDqvpSg

There are many temples that don't have the statue. Even old temples like the St. George temple.

Cardston Alberta Temple
Hamilton New Zealand Temple
Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple
Laie Hawaii Temple
Logan Utah Temple
Manti Utah Temple
Mesa Arizona Temple
Oakland California Temple
Paris France Temple
Port-au-Prince Haiti Temple
St. George Utah Temple

They'll probably just stick a great big neon cross on them.

Just for reference her is a link to the web page refers to https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... western-us

I really think this is just an architectural choice being made here some semple have Maroni Statues and others do not and it has been that way for a long time. Some temples such as the Kansas City Temple have statues that are out of scale to the rest of the building.

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:41 am There are many temples that don't have the statue. Even old temples like the St. George temple.

Cardston Alberta Temple
Hamilton New Zealand Temple
Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple
Laie Hawaii Temple
Logan Utah Temple
Manti Utah Temple
Mesa Arizona Temple
Oakland California Temple
Paris France Temple
Port-au-Prince Haiti Temple
St. George Utah Temple

given the totality of circumstances here...... since RMN's dawning as President, 43 renderings have no Moroni......and the vid says that RMN left the ones already rendered before him but yet to be constructed alone?

quite the contrast given the numbers & time involved, eh?

Might as well put a rainbow flag on top. Or maybe a giant mask, or make the steeple into a needle pointing to heaven.

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:47 am


since RMN's dawning as President, 43 renderings have no Moroni......and the vid says that RMN left the ones already rendered before him but yet to be constructed alone?

quite the contrast given the numbers & time involved, eh?

Over the past 20 years or so, they have added the angel to some temples and removed it from others.

https://www.ldsliving.com/the-number-of ... tems...%20

That article is from 2020. The newsroom link that it references no longer exists. I found a cached version.

http://web.archive.org/web/201906290646 ... ds-temples

That press release also says this.

Several temples have received angels after their dedications. The first was the Idaho Falls Idaho Temple, which had an angel Moroni statue added in 1983, almost 40 years after its dedication. As a part of renovation projects in the 2000s, the Church added angel Moroni statues to several of the originally statueless temples, including the Freiberg Germany (2001), Ogden Utah (2002), Provo Utah (2003), São Paulo Brazil (2003), Tokyo Japan (2004), Bern Switzerland (2005) and London England (2008) Temples.

"Occasionally building codes, possible cultural misconceptions, or architectural designs preclude the use of an angel Moroni statue."

Just because there isn't a statue on the rendering it doesn't necessarily mean that there will be no statue on the finished temple. Just because there isn't one at the dedication it doesn't mean that the temple will not eventually have a statue.

I did find this interesting though.

I had no idea that most of the statues are fiberglass.

In 1978 the Church commissioned Karl A. Quilter to fashion a new angel Moroni statue. Together Karl Quilter and LaVar Wallgren developed a process of casting fiberglass that made it possible to create lightweight statues less expensively. Quilter and Wallgren constructed two original molds, one for a 10-foot statue and the other for a 7-foot statue. The resulting statues weighed about 350 pounds.

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:57 am

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:47 am


since RMN's dawning as President, 43 renderings have no Moroni......and the vid says that RMN left the ones already rendered before him but yet to be constructed alone?

quite the contrast given the numbers & time involved, eh?

Over the past 20 years or so, they have added the angel to some temples and removed it from others.

https://www.ldsliving.com/the-number-of ... tems...%20

That article is from 2020. The newsroom link that it references no longer exists. I found a cached version.

http://web.archive.org/web/201906290646 ... ds-temples

That press release also says this.

Several temples have received angels after their dedications. The first was the Idaho Falls Idaho Temple, which had an angel Moroni statue added in 1983, almost 40 years after its dedication. As a part of renovation projects in the 2000s, the Church added angel Moroni statues to several of the originally statueless temples, including the Freiberg Germany (2001), Ogden Utah (2002), Provo Utah (2003), São Paulo Brazil (2003), Tokyo Japan (2004), Bern Switzerland (2005) and London England (2008) Temples.

"Occasionally building codes, possible cultural misconceptions, or architectural designs preclude the use of an angel Moroni statue."

Just because there isn't a statue on the rendering it doesn't necessarily mean that there will be no statue on the finished temple. Just because there isn't one at the dedication it doesn't mean that the temple will not eventually have a statue.

so just an oversight perhaps, hmmmmm?

let's re-visit this in 3, 5, 10 years and see, eh? i know where my wager would be placed, given the complete removal of the use of the term "Mormon", the multiple & ongoing Temple changes in 3 years, and the other widespread changes since RMN took up the mantel.......

so be sure and take ur vitamins, and get that "literal Godsend" of a jab along the way!

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:05 am

so just an oversight perhaps, hmmmmm?

let's re-visit this in 3, 5, 10 years and see, eh? i know where my wager would be placed, given the complete removal of the use of the term "Mormon", the multiple & ongoing Temple changes in 3 years, and the other widespread changes since RMN took up the mantel.......

so be sure and take ur vitamins, and get that "literal Godsend" of a jab along the way!

I'm trying to be better about making assumptions regarding decisions when I was not there and do not know the reasoning behind it. I was recently burned on this.

If you want to make assumptions go ahead.

For all I know they never include the statue in any rendering and make the decision later.

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:00 am I did find this interesting though.

I had no idea that most of the statues are fiberglass.

In 1978 the Church commissioned Karl A. Quilter to fashion a new angel Moroni statue. Together Karl Quilter and LaVar Wallgren developed a process of casting fiberglass that made it possible to create lightweight statues less expensively. Quilter and Wallgren constructed two original molds, one for a 10-foot statue and the other for a 7-foot statue. The resulting statues weighed about 350 pounds.

nearly all denominations Church steeple's, which the statue of Moroni would also be considered by industry have been made from fiberglass for 30+ years

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:11 am

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:05 am

so just an oversight perhaps, hmmmmm?

let's re-visit this in 3, 5, 10 years and see, eh? i know where my wager would be placed, given the complete removal of the use of the term "Mormon", the multiple & ongoing Temple changes in 3 years, and the other widespread changes since RMN took up the mantel.......

so be sure and take ur vitamins, and get that "literal Godsend" of a jab along the way!

I'm trying to be better about making assumptions regarding decisions when I was not there and do not know the reasoning behind it. I was recently burned on this.

If you want to make assumptions go ahead.

For all I know they never include the statue in any rendering and make the decision later.

in the video, it mentions that RMN left the renderings that had Moroni in them alone, that where in the works BEFORE his call to Prophet

Not surprising when the plan has been to "standardise" the interiors of some old temples.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:50 am Might as well put a rainbow flag on top. Or maybe a giant mask, or make the steeple into a needle pointing to heaven.

or at least put a mask on Moroni? maybe they didn't think that 1 through thoroughly, given the Leadership's devotion to masking?

would of made quite the appeal to the World......

I don't know RMN but based on alot of his actions I'd guess he enjoys keeping people off balance.

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 6:56 am just watched a vid where 4 renderings of Western US Temple’s display no Moroni’s?

if true, the fleeing from all things “Mormon” by the RMN regime marches onward???


https://youtu.be/MSGYCDqvpSg

I hope they take them off every temple.

tribrac wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:23 am I don't know RMN but based on alot of his actions I'd guess he enjoys keeping people off balance.

forgive me for being critical, but imo.....there is NO balance to those scales anymore, they've shifted all the counter weight to 1 side

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:15 am

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:11 am

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:05 am

so just an oversight perhaps, hmmmmm?

let's re-visit this in 3, 5, 10 years and see, eh? i know where my wager would be placed, given the complete removal of the use of the term "Mormon", the multiple & ongoing Temple changes in 3 years, and the other widespread changes since RMN took up the mantel.......

so be sure and take ur vitamins, and get that "literal Godsend" of a jab along the way!

I'm trying to be better about making assumptions regarding decisions when I was not there and do not know the reasoning behind it. I was recently burned on this.

If you want to make assumptions go ahead.

For all I know they never include the statue in any rendering and make the decision later.

in the video, it mentions that RMN left the renderings that had Moroni in them alone, that where in the works BEFORE his call to Prophet

He also said that it was something that "He must have been inspired to do" We are all making assumptions about the reasoning.

They didn't start adding statues to most new temples until early 80s.

The early temples had the weather vanes and it was never even stated whether it was Moroni or just a generic angel

Salt lake introduced the Moroni statue. From Salt Lake to the Atlanta temple in the early 80s the statue was almost never added.


It's clearly not something that the Lord required, it is something that we did. Maybe the prophet just realized that they could have built an additional temple with what they spent on the statues but I am making assumptions just like everyone else.

They should make a ship-based temple that can go to any port in the world.

If the Israelites could make a mobile temple out of a tent why can't we make a mobile temple?

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:41 am There are many temples that don't have the statue. Even old temples like the St. George temple.

Cardston Alberta Temple
Hamilton New Zealand Temple
Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple
Laie Hawaii Temple
Logan Utah Temple
Manti Utah Temple
Mesa Arizona Temple
Oakland California Temple
Paris France Temple
Port-au-Prince Haiti Temple
St. George Utah Temple

Didn’t the original Navou temple had a weather vein that had an old version of Moroni on it?

sandman45 wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:49 am

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:41 am There are many temples that don't have the statue. Even old temples like the St. George temple.

Cardston Alberta Temple
Hamilton New Zealand Temple
Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple
Laie Hawaii Temple
Logan Utah Temple
Manti Utah Temple
Mesa Arizona Temple
Oakland California Temple
Paris France Temple
Port-au-Prince Haiti Temple
St. George Utah Temple

Didn’t the original Navou temple had a weather vein that had an old version of Moroni on it?

Nauvoo and Kirtland had the weather vane. At that time, it was common to put weathervanes on the tallest building in the community.

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 6:56 am just watched a vid where 4 renderings of Western US Temple’s display no Moroni’s?

if true, the fleeing from all things “Mormon” by the RMN regime marches onward???


https://youtu.be/MSGYCDqvpSg

I actually love the not including the Moroni atop temples. I get the meaning but these are houses of worship but they are also beacons and, for better or worse, symbols of belief to the outside world. Having a gold angel, without context, can be mispresented or misinterpreted to our true beliefs. Christ is the center of our worship and our temples. Someone mocked a cross in a comment but in my mind an empty cross would more accurately convey the purpose of the temple.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:50 am or make the steeple into a needle pointing to heaven.

Well done!

Moroni on the temples is a symbol for spreading the restored gospel in the last days. Since the church is no longer doing that, and spreading fear instead, it is appropriate that God removes them.

Theosis wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 9:04 am

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 6:56 am just watched a vid where 4 renderings of Western US Temple’s display no Moroni’s?

if true, the fleeing from all things “Mormon” by the RMN regime marches onward???


https://youtu.be/MSGYCDqvpSg

I actually love the not including the Moroni atop temples. I get the meaning but these are houses of worship but they are also beacons and, for better or worse, symbols of belief to the outside world. Having a gold angel, without context, can be mispresented or misinterpreted to our true beliefs. Christ is the center of our worship and our temples. Someone mocked a cross in a comment but in my mind an empty cross would more accurately convey the purpose of the temple.

Reminded me of a funny story.

My grandparents spent every weekend in the mountains near their home cutting trees for firewood, hunting and fishing. The decorations in their home reflected their love of the wilderness.

One was a little deer that appeared to be some kind of brass or other shiny gold colored metal. When we went to visit a few years ago one of my younger children pulled me aside and whispered "Why do they have a golden calf?" We laughed about that for days.

After my grandmother's death my mom showed up at my house with the "golden calf" for us to remember her by.