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Everyone is making guesses about the church's intentions. If the church is at fault here it is because they aren't doing a good enough job of communicating why the statues were excluded.

Less Angel Moronis means less chance of a trumpet drop. Which means less speculation on what the trumpet drop actually means.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 7:43 am They'll probably just stick a great big neon cross on them.

"Kids Eat Free" is what will be just below..

Gazelem wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 9:50 am Less Angel Moronis means less chance of a trumpet drop. Which means less speculation on what the trumpet drop actually means.

Everyone remembers the trumpet drop but they forget the lighting strike at the Oquirrh mountain temple a few years earlier. The lightning strike that left the trumpet and the arm that holds it blackened.

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 10:21 am

Gazelem wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 9:50 am Less Angel Moronis means less chance of a trumpet drop. Which means less speculation on what the trumpet drop actually means.

Everyone remembers the trumpet drop but they forget the lighting strike at the Oquirrh mountain temple a few years earlier. The lightning strike that left the trumpet and the arm that holds it blackened.

The image of a Book of Mormon prophet cursed with a skin of darkness. How appropriate for our time.

I started a thread on this very topic last year. It seemed to have more meaning with the viewpoints of Alaris back then: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55389

No doubt there is some symbolism being ignored, just as inside the temple with veils off followed by veils on.

1775peasant wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 6:56 am just watched a vid where 4 renderings of Western US Temple’s display no Moroni’s?

if true, the fleeing from all things “Mormon” by the RMN regime marches onward???


https://youtu.be/MSGYCDqvpSg

Some have them and others do not. My local temple currently under construction, announced by President Nelson, will have one.

I can nevercan tell if the posters on ldsff are messing with me or not.

Every city and town has an ordinance to limit the height of store signs, number of billboards, etc.

Part of the building codes, so we can build a temple within the codes then sometimes the Moroni is left off.

Denver temple took forever to build bacuse of objections by the local citizens. Toole didn't want a temple either. Most citizens in towns and cities don't want even a lds church house built. This is my personal experience, not opinion or speculation.

Too bad you guys don't realize that our leaders face more trials from this world than you do in regards to decisions to build. and, personally, they get as much trials in this world as you. God does not let the prophets be exempt from the trials and hate thrown at them. sometimes this hate from a coimmunity has been caused by the local LDS.

Of course, no one on LDSFF is a part of that, right?

Anyway, this used to be more of a law and constitution type of forum. It has become a forum for throwing the apostles and "church" as you call it, under the bus over absolutely nothing.

EvanLM wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 4:36 pm It has become a forum for throwing the apostles and "church" as you call it, under the bus over absolutely nothing.

To be fair, this is true. There is a lot of needless criticism. However, it's not good to bury your head in the sand either.

I just want to be careful about making accusations without knowing everything that is happening behind the scenes.

I don't want to be one of those latter-day false accusers that Paul warned us about in his second epistle to Timothy. I'm sure I already check enough of those boxes.

markharr wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 8:00 am I did find this interesting though.

I had no idea that most of the statues are fiberglass.

In 1978 the Church commissioned Karl A. Quilter to fashion a new angel Moroni statue. Together Karl Quilter and LaVar Wallgren developed a process of casting fiberglass that made it possible to create lightweight statues less expensively. Quilter and Wallgren constructed two original molds, one for a 10-foot statue and the other for a 7-foot statue. The resulting statues weighed about 350 pounds.

Glad you mentioned this. Just recently I have been wondering about just that. I remember watching the Jordan River Temple being built as a wee lad and the Moroni statue being quite heavy. But I couldn't imagine them being too heavy in case of storms, cracking, or structural damage.

Interesting that Washington D.C has the only 18ft statue. Most are 7 or 10 ft.

I guess Babylon needed an extra loud warning.

yeah, just a "casting lots" kinda deal, huh?

“Organizations are always looking at rebranding if they think the current brand is antiquated, if it no longer is valid or in favor,” says Allen Roberts, a Salt Lake City architect who worked on many temple exterior designs. “I suppose they are trying to Christianize a church that claims to be Christ-centered. They would want to gradually pull away from images that don’t seem to reinforce that.”

Such messaging, he says, “gives the church a wider appeal.”

The architect believes the Utah-based faith is backing away from symbolism, he says. “If you are insecure about your identity, then you are insecure about using symbols to signal that identity.”

Looks like they will remove the Angel Moroni from the Provo temple. The Smithfield Utah Temple also seems like it won't have it either.

The new design is similar to the Orem Utah Temple design featuring arched windows and a golden topped spire. Like most new temples, Provo’s spire will no longer feature a statue of the Angel Moroni, according to the renderings.
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/ ... ds-church/

Does anyone have any info as to why they aren't adding Moroni to the temples anymore?

Sunain wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:09 pm Looks like they will remove the Angel Moroni from the Provo temple. The Smithfield Utah Temple also seems like it won't have it either.

The new design is similar to the Orem Utah Temple design featuring arched windows and a golden topped spire. Like most new temples, Provo’s spire will no longer feature a statue of the Angel Moroni, according to the renderings.
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/ ... ds-church/

Does anyone have any info as to why they aren't adding Moroni to the temples anymore?

Seems like the new leadership wants to get rid of the old symbols.

Mamabear wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:15 pm

Sunain wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:09 pm Looks like they will remove the Angel Moroni from the Provo temple. The Smithfield Utah Temple also seems like it won't have it either.

The new design is similar to the Orem Utah Temple design featuring arched windows and a golden topped spire. Like most new temples, Provo’s spire will no longer feature a statue of the Angel Moroni, according to the renderings.
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/ ... ds-church/

Does anyone have any info as to why they aren't adding Moroni to the temples anymore?

Seems like the new leadership wants to get rid of the old symbols.

I'm opposed to our statues. All of them. I think this is a good call. I hope the statues come off all the temples. I also hope the Cristus statues are ground to dust. Not that you asked my opinion.

4Joshua8 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:18 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:15 pm

Sunain wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:09 pm Looks like they will remove the Angel Moroni from the Provo temple. The Smithfield Utah Temple also seems like it won't have it either.

The new design is similar to the Orem Utah Temple design featuring arched windows and a golden topped spire. Like most new temples, Provo’s spire will no longer feature a statue of the Angel Moroni, according to the renderings.
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/ ... ds-church/

Does anyone have any info as to why they aren't adding Moroni to the temples anymore?

Seems like the new leadership wants to get rid of the old symbols.

I'm opposed to our statues. All of them. I think this is a good call. I hope the statues come off all the temples. I also hope the Cristus statues are ground to dust. Not that you asked my opinion.

Also, IMO, the temples look better and feel better without the statues.

4Joshua8 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:19 pm Also, IMO, the temples look better and feel better without the statues.

I feel completely the opposite. Without the Angel Moroni statue there, it seems to me that something is missing, a similar feeling I've had with the church in general lately. This forums logo is even the Angel Moroni's statue. The statue being placed on the top of the temple has been an occasion to celebrate that a temple is nearing completion since the Salt Lake Temple with thousands coming in attendance. It's also a conversation starter for non-members wondering who it is and their significance.

As President Gordon B. explained in the October 1997 general conference, “The figure of Moroni, atop many of our temples, is a constant reminder of the vision of John the Revelator: ‘And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people’ “Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters” (Rev. 14:6–7). (“Look to the Future,” Ensign, November 1997, p.67).

I feel as though this is more significant that we think and maybe tied to Moroni dropping his trumpet. Perhaps that vision has now been fulfilled as many of us have discussed and it may be another indication that the time of the gentiles is over.

Mamabear wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 7:15 pm Seems like the new leadership wants to get rid of the old symbols.

It does indeed but they can get rid of that new 'Catholicized' bathtub Jesus logo if they want to get rid of something.

But it has arches. No, not the golden arches from MacDonald's, the Christus arch from our new logo.

tribrac wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 8:51 pm But it has arches. No, not the golden arches from MacDonald's, the Christus arch from our new logo.

Arcs are the keystone of our religion.

Or Arcs have keystones, or something like that, the last time I checked.

I am absolutely done with this apostate (and I hesitate using that term because I'm not sure they ever had legitimate authority to apostatize from, I'm not sure they carried the church after Joseph's passing) corporate social group.

I will never get married in one of their temples. The Holy Book of Mormon condemns their organization.

EvanLM wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 4:36 pm I can nevercan tell if the posters on ldsff are messing with me or not.

Every city and town has an ordinance to limit the height of store signs, number of billboards, etc.

Part of the building codes, so we can build a temple within the codes then sometimes the Moroni is left off.

Denver temple took forever to build bacuse of objections by the local citizens. Toole didn't want a temple either. Most citizens in towns and cities don't want even a lds church house built. This is my personal experience, not opinion or speculation.

Too bad you guys don't realize that our leaders face more trials from this world than you do in regards to decisions to build. and, personally, they get as much trials in this world as you. God does not let the prophets be exempt from the trials and hate thrown at them. sometimes this hate from a coimmunity has been caused by the local LDS.

Of course, no one on LDSFF is a part of that, right?

Anyway, this used to be more of a law and constitution type of forum. It has become a forum for throwing the apostles and "church" as you call it, under the bus over absolutely nothing.

I noticed this when I visited the Tower of America in Oklahoma City. There they have a picture of the view from the observation deck, and the temple is very noticeable, but goes unmarked as to what it is.

I googled it and articles surfaced about how demonstrations were held that tried to prevent it from being built. Now it’s as though their head is in the preverbial sand. Soon after visiting the tower my small party paid the memorial a visit, and captured an amazing photo at an even more amazing time.

search.php?keywords=38ii will show said photo, and it’s interpretation that came years later, when Moroni landed his instrument at another amazing time, that may easily be seen for those with the eyes to see it, that haven’t buried their head in the sand.

The tower and the memorial will certainly make for a memorable event, should OKC fall within your event horizon, especially on March 8th or 18th. July 2023 is also said to look very interesting on Stelarium. I made a virtual geocache near the memorial, when I found what I call a giant coin, but is more properly identified as a round object.

some cities and towns have ordinances that even business signs can only be placed at a certain height and they have to be a certain size as by ordinance. The temple is a tomb.
Hope Moroni is not on top of a tomb to call people to die. . . just kidding about the call. But, again the temple is a tomb. . . houses corpses. . . .you know dead people

EvanLM wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 5:18 am some cities and towns have ordinances that even business signs can only be placed at a certain height and they have to be a certain size as by ordinance. The temple is a tomb.
Hope Moroni is not on top of a tomb to call people to die. . . just kidding about the call. But, again the temple is a tomb. . . houses corpses. . . .you know dead people

Never thought of the temple in the light of being a 'tomb' ...definitely provides a new perspective and thoughts

EvanLM wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 5:18 am some cities and towns have ordinances that even business signs can only be placed at a certain height and they have to be a certain size as by ordinance. The temple is a tomb.
Hope Moroni is not on top of a tomb to call people to die. . . just kidding about the call. But, again the temple is a tomb. . . houses corpses. . . .you know dead people

Sadly if you'd seen some of our local temple workers, that would be about right. Some of them were so frail they had trouble raising their arms. I imagine many of them would have been scared stiff of Covid too.