Is this the literal mark of the beast?

[LukeAir2008]

It can't be the mark of the beast unless you are put to death for refusing it.

And required to make an oath to worship the Beast…

[markharr]

Look back at any nation that attempted to conquer the world and what was their tactic?

March from nation to nation with a massive demonstration of force hoping that the show of force will just intimidate the citizens of the nation you are conquering into surrendering. Those who surrender are now forced to take an oath of allegiance to the nation AND its economy.

If the citizens of the nation that is being conquered do not surrender the conquering nation starts the work of bloodshed until the surviving members of the nation being conquered surrender and swear allegiance. The fighting-age males are then forcibly conscripted into the army and it marches on to the next nation.

[mes5464]

While I was sitting in sacrament meeting I had a voice tell me that the vax is the mark of the beast. I'm acting on that.

[JLHPROF]

While I was sitting in sacrament meeting I had a voice tell me that the vax is the mark of the beast. I'm acting on that.

Except it literally meets zero of the descriptions of the mark in Revelation 13.

[Niemand]

When I read this short article I thought: “Is this the literal mark of the beast that will be displayed on the forehead and hand that will qualify one to buy and sell in the market place?” What do you think?

Virginia introduces QR codes to verify COVID-19 vaccination

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/v ... ggregators

I definitely feel that at the very least, it is preparation for the mark.

It is a precursor at the very least. It is being us to condition people to it.

[Niemand]

While I was sitting in sacrament meeting I had a voice tell me that the vax is the mark of the beast. I'm acting on that.

Except it literally meets zero of the descriptions of the mark in Revelation 13.

I'm afraid as part of a greater system it does.

In one respect, no, since no one can take the mark involuntarily and this has happened in this instance.

However there are several massive red flags - it is being used to control economic activity and it is global

Is it taken in the right hand or forehead?

A: the Greek word used for "hand" is cheir, which can also mean an "arm"
viewtopic.php?t=62525

The forehead is more problematic- but nasal sprays may be the answer.

Does it contain 666 or 616?
A: Not exactly but there are a number of connections to 6s - Covid is a part anagram of DCVI which means 606. There sre also more complicated matters.

Is it a mark?
A: the Greek is Charagma which is related to the word for a stake. I don't know how much of a mark it leaves, but the QR code is a mark.

As for who or what the beast is, that is another matter.

[Niemand]

The christians were adamant that the bible says people choose to mark themselves.

I guess I'm not familiar with that scripture, where is It?

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger..."

In other words, not only do you need to get the mark, you have to worship the beast and the image.

[JLHPROF]

The christians were adamant that the bible says people choose to mark themselves.

I guess I'm not familiar with that scripture, where is It?

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger..."

In other words, not only do you need to get the mark, you have to worship the beast and the image.

[Niemand]

The christians were adamant that the bible says people choose to mark themselves.

I guess I'm not familiar with that scripture, where is It?

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger..."

In other words, not only do you need to get the mark, you have to worship the beast and the image.

It partly depends on the identification of the false prophet. Some would say the Pope but you could easily say it was the internet or mass media too.

[EvanLM]

you must really not believe revelation concerning the beast. it is explained literally. No symbolism . . .no mystery. . .it hasn't happened yet and Gates likes to mess with people and the vax and the number 606060was put on the patent for more scare power.

either you don't believe what this scripture says to look for or you are in the habit of stretching a revelation to meet your ideas. It's not the mark but it is being used by Satanists.

A type of mind control experiment to see if people will obey or not

could be the locust. we're seeing the river flow over its banks and into the world now. A group of nations are combining together against the gentiles and the river of people overflowing into gentile countries. The militaries are even in our cities with more on the way.

time to build Zion

[EvanLM]

white horse prophecy, I think JS says they will come with nothing more than small bags

[abijah`]

The beast system will be a spiritual (or perhaps digital) hivemind, a supraorganism; just like Lady Zion (us).

Babalon is made up of "burnt bricks" to compose a larger fortress. Whereas we are "living stones" built up unto the house of Christ.

The simple fact is, if all the good guys are atomised and spread out - all it takes is for some bad guys to band together (strength via confederacy) and take advantage of all the "individuals" who are scattered. Aka secret combinations, or on a more universal scale something like the Babel Tower project.

The Christ pattern is that we all cohere together to form a corporate, collective Identity, a Body of covenant superstructure and supraorganism of worship, wherein the identity and agency of the distinct individuals remain seamlessly intact (something the Beast system is incapable of).

The grand Temple is not composed of material stones, but of covenant Christians, who function as "living stones" that compose the quintessential Temple, the Body of Christ.

The Gathering of Israel, and forming of the covenant Body of Christ are -- by simple nature of what they are -- collectivist objectives.

Its about creating a superidentity. Individual pieces coming together to compose a corporate whole, the collective Identity superceding the individuals.

The difference between the Beast and Lady Zion? Agency.

It will come when the world is about to be deluged in fire, when the day burns like an oven, like the one Shadrach Meshac and Abednago were thrown in, and only those like them will be able to stand the heat and flame.

2 Peter 3
6 Whereby the world that then was, being flooded with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Taking the mark = getting onboard satan's Ark for the incoming Fire`Flood. Getting onboard, just like all them animals. Difference between Noah and antichrist? Noah isnt a hunter.

Dan 4
Let his mind be changed from a man’s, and let a beast’s mind be given to him; and let seven periods of time pass over him.

To become the animals who get herded onto a devil`boat, bound for shipwreck in the sea of fire.

Ezek 9
And the LORD said to him, “Pass through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it.”

He with an ear to hear let him hear:

Fr. Stephen: We have an example, or at least I have a favorite example to use, which is that of a tower. So if you have a tower, someone builds a tower, this tower serves as a tower. The matter that makes up a tower is being a tower. Centuries pass; the tower crumbles. The tower no longer exists. There is no longer a tower. There is a pile of rubble, and that pile of rubble contains most of the matter that was part of the tower, but it’s no longer a tower; now it’s being a pile of rubble. So “being” is a verb.
Fr. Andrew: Yes! Which is why I threw out that whole “human being, human doing” thing at the beginning.
Fr. Stephen: So the same matter is now being a pile of rubble, and someone could come and take stones and wood from that pile of rubble and go and turn it into something else, place it in a new order and set it up in a new set of relationships, and it could become a table or a wall or something else. And then that matter, the same matter, will be being that.
Fr. Andrew: “It will be being.” [Laughter]
Fr. Stephen: It will be being a table or a wall. That’s what it will be doing. It will be being a—whatever it is.
Fr. Andrew: Yeah, and I just have to throw a bone out there for those who think that this podcast has something to do with J.R.R. Tolkien—you know who you are, up there in Minnesota. So it’s interesting. You mentioned the image of the tower and the pile of stones. Tolkien actually uses exactly that image in his image called, “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics,” in which he is complaining about the way critics look at Beowulf, this epic poem in Old English, and they just want to look at the parts and the influences and that sort of thing. And for them, that’s what Beowulf is. He’s like: no, no, no, no. Beowulf is this poem as it is; that the bones that you put into the soup are maybe interesting, but the point is the soup.
He talks specifically about a tower and how people came and knocked down the tower because they wanted to analyze which stones came from an old house nearby and which were those quarried from here or there, but he said, but he could see the ocean from the tower. So he’s making the point—he’s talking about story-telling and literature, but he’s making the point in another way, that the way that this story functions, by being Beowulf, that’s what it is. Certainly we can look at all the influences that went into it and so forth, and that can maybe deepen our understanding, but if that’s all we think it is, then we’re missing the thing that it actually is.

[sushi_chef]

graphene oxide may form the base for the photonic barcodes?!

barcode "graphene oxide"
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=bar ... 2&ei=UTF-8
"photonic barcodes" bluetooth
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=%22 ... h&ei=UTF-8

"ASTRA ZENECA VACCINATION BLUETOOTH CONNECTIVITY EVERYWHERE. 5-23-21
"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/upxjSdQPacyt/

human commodity barcode 666
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/image/search ... 6&ei=UTF-8

"worship the image of the beast" may mean to have total allegiance to usa (nazismized usa, 4th reich ...," one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: "(13:3) == nazi germany) presidents.
that is, to follow the order by presidents, for lds members to follow the president of church (1st presidency), in this case, to have mask and vax.

"Our "Leaders" Have Taken Blood Oaths
September 21, 2021

The blood oath is fundamental. Biden and most of his cabinet and most courts and congress have probably taken it. That's why they are excluded from mandatory vaccines.

These people swore an oath or to represent citizens, but their true loyalty is to Satan (Communism.). They are traitors and should be treated as such.

Worldwide the vaccine passports is leading to a Chinese Communist social credit system where your every word and move are monitored for political correctness. ...

"
https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/09/comm ... oaths.html?

"Rise of the Fourth Reich continues in the United States - The ...

2019/8/6 -Indeed, the U.S. government so admired the Nazi regime that following the second World War, it secretly recruited Hitler's employees, adopted ..
"
4th reich usa
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=4th ... a&ei=UTF-8

[abijah`]

But what kind of loyalty? It matters..

John 13
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

vs.

imagine a brotherhood that instead of being bound by mutual loyalty & love, its bound by mutual distrust and assured retribution.

Dan 2
but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

[Niemand]

you must really not believe revelation concerning the beast. it is explained literally. No symbolism . . .no mystery. . .it hasn't happened yet and Gates likes to mess with people and the vax and the number 606060was put on the patent for more scare power.

either you don't believe what this scripture says to look for or you are in the habit of stretching a revelation to meet your ideas. It's not the mark but it is being used by Satanists.

A type of mind control experiment to see if people will obey or not

could be the locust. we're seeing the river flow over its banks and into the world now. A group of nations are combining together against the gentiles and the river of people overflowing into gentile countries. The militaries are even in our cities with more on the way.

time to build Zion

It is a "type" (in the prophetic sense) of the Mark. One of possibly several dry runs.

It does have several hallmarks of it though, which is why we should be very concerned. There are numerous instances of 6 connected with it. I know some will crop up naturally but we can see:
* That patent.
* vi in Covid
* DCVI in Covid (606, the Reset code)
* Six month lockdowns
* 66th anniversary of the Bilderbergers in May.
* 6 years since Gates' TED talk.
* 666 encoded into the World Economic Forum logo in Arabic numerals (the ones we tend to use)
* 666 encoded into the World Health Organisation logo in both its Greek and Roman numeral forms.
* no more than six people allowed in a gathering (the case here during some of lockdown)
* no more than sixty people allowed in some premises or church meetings.
* Corona has a connection to 666 in English gematria (where a = 1, b = 2 etc).

There are a few more, but there seems to be a lot of them.

[sushi_chef]

that loyaly could be imperfect men's imperfect one...

sushi_ still kinda understands nephi's warning is the best for lds members,

"4: 34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.

"28: 31 Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.

that john was appointed as the leader for lost ten tribes, while the leader for the earthmen was joseph but was rejected through secret society's machination.

thus moroni's warning ...
"8: 23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

possibly gentile's times ending will be when north lost tribes return and defeat England or the nation of Great Britain and when then after Lamanites blossom as the rose. (... that vengeance partly through lost tribes ... nwo secret society hq might have been in england for centuries)

❝When Samuel Smith of Brigham City visited Card on 21 January 1887, Card discussed his northern venture, arguing that "the land of refuge is the north." To his surprise, Smith related that he had been present at an 1843 priesthood meeting in the basement of the Nauvoo Temple when Joseph Smith prophesied that:

"England or the nation of Great Britain, would be the last nation to go to pieces. She would be instrumental in aiding to crush other nations, even this nation of the United States, and she would only be overthrown by the Ten Tribes from the north. She would never persecute the Saints as a nation. She would gather up great treasures of gold and yet we should seek refuge in her dominion." (Charles Ora Card Journal, 21 Jan. 1887)❞

"49: 23 Wherefore, be not deceived, but continue in steadfastness, looking forth for the heavens to be shaken, and the earth to tremble and to reel to and fro as a drunken man, and for the valleys to be exalted, and for the mountains to be made low, and for the rough places to become smooth and all this when the angel shall sound his trumpet.

24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.

25 Zion shall flourish upon the hills and rejoice upon the mountains, and shall be assembled together unto the place which I have appointed."

"the earth to tremble and to reel to and fro as a drunken man, and for the valleys to be exalted, and for the mountains to be made low, ..."
== >>
"133: 31 And the boundaries of the everlasting hills shall tremble at their presence."

everlasting hills == rockies and andes mountains

[Godislove]

Interestingly enough....on a fairly recent purchase I made (baby formula) I noticed right next to the barcode was depicted a small picture of a hand that was being scanned....it showed kind of like a cross-mark over the hand placed between the thumb and the forefinger like that area was being scanned. If I knew how to post and upload the photo here, I would do it so you could see what it looks like.
The fact that this was depicted right next to the barcode shows me how near this is.
I also find it interesting because I recently watched a video of a man who had dreamed about being forced to take it and he said that this area between the thumb and forefinger is where they were putting it, if I understood correctly.

Here is the photo. Notice the depiction of the hand to the immediate right hand side of the barcode with the scanning between thumb and forefinger.

[markharr]

Here is the photo. Notice the depiction of the hand to the immediate right hand side of the barcode with the scanning between thumb and forefinger.

That is an RFID tag. Likely used for inventory control. This is what triggers the alarm when you leave the store after some employee neglected to disable it. Note how it is in its own plastic case. If you cut it open, you will see something similar to this.



Since the hand has the trademark logo next to it, I suspect that this is the logo for the company that makes the tag. My guess is that it is supposed to portray the company targeting a shoplifter. The hand portraying the act of lifting the item. Who knows, maybe they had more nefarious intentions with the design.

[EmmaLee]

It can't be the mark of the beast unless you are put to death for refusing it.

Some would like to do that now -

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/0 ... -stab-eve/

FDA Employee: Feds Need to Create a ‘Nazi-Germany’ Style Registry of Unvaccinated Americans, “Go Door to Door and Stab Everyone”

[abijah`]

It is a "type" (in the prophetic sense) of the Mark. One of possibly several dry runs.

It does have several hallmarks of it though, which is why we should be very concerned. There are numerous instances of 6 connected with it. I know some will crop up naturally but we can see:
* That patent.
* vi in Covid
* DCVI in Covid (606, the Reset code)
* Six month lockdowns
* 66th anniversary of the Bilderbergers in May.
* 6 years since Gates' TED talk.
* 666 encoded into the World Economic Forum logo in Arabic numerals (the ones we tend to use)
* 666 encoded into the World Health Organisation logo in both its Greek and Roman numeral forms.
* no more than six people allowed in a gathering (the case here during some of lockdown)
* no more than sixty people allowed in some premises or church meetings.
* Corona has a connection to 666 in English gematria (where a = 1, b = 2 etc).

There are a few more, but there seems to be a lot of them.

And don't forget!

[Jason]

In Preparation for Monday Vaccination Deadline, Governor Hochul Releases Comprehensive Plan to Address Preventable Health Care Staffing Shortage

In preparation for Monday's vaccination deadline, Governor Kathy Hochul today released a comprehensive plan to address preventable staffing shortages in hospitals and other health care facilities statewide.

"We are still in a battle against COVID to protect our loved ones, and we need to fight with every tool at our disposal," Governor Hochul said. "I am monitoring the staffing situation closely, and we have a plan to increase our health care workforce and help alleviate the burdens on our hospitals and other health care facilities. I commend all of the health care workers who have stepped up to get themselves vaccinated, and I urge all remaining health care workers who are unvaccinated to do so now so they can continue providing care."

The plan includes preparing to sign an executive order if necessary to declare a state of emergency that seeks to increase workforce supply and allow qualified health care professionals licensed in other states or countries, recent graduates, retired and formerly practicing health care professionals to practice in New York State.

The Department of Labor has issued guidance to clarify that workers who are terminated because of refusal to be vaccinated are not eligible for unemployment insurance absent a valid doctor-approved request for medical accommodation.

Other options include deployment of medically-trained National Guard members, and partnering with the federal government to deploy Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMATs) to assist local health and medical systems. Additionally, Governor Hochul plans to work with the federal government and other state leaders to explore ways to expedite visa requests for medical professionals.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/prepar ... an-address

[abijah`]

Mark of the Animal correlates with what God gives Cain after his fall/exile.

Cain's fall in Genesis 4 mirrors Adam and Eve's in Gen 3.

God exiles them, and in order to help them survive the effects of said fall - He makes them skins of beasts:

Genesis 3
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.

Just as the "animal skins", to help them protect from the conditions of the lone and dreary world - God gives Cain a mark (an animal mark) to protect him from the effects of his fall:

Genesis 4
"Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
Then the LORD said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him.

How do we know its an Animal mark?

Genesis 4
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.”

[Niemand]

The Mark of Cain is not quite what most people think it is. For one, people think it was just to condemn Cain, but ithe scripture says, strangely enough that it was partly there to protect Cain. Cain was the first murderer, but maybe God was trying to stop the cycle of revenge and death continue, or Cain was protected to be an example to others...

[Prana]

Christian scripture has been around for quite some time. If I were an evil mastermind, I would say thanks for the great ideas and work towards them regardless of how exact they fit the book.

[abijah`]

The Mark of Cain is bot quite what most people think it is. For one, people think it was just to cindemn Cain, but ithe scripture says, strangely enough that it was partly there to protect Cain. Cain was the first murderer, but maybe God was trying to stop the cycle of revenge and death continue, or Cain was protected to be an example to others...

Yeah true.

God exiles Adam & Eve. Gives them beast skins to protect them.

God exiles Cain. Gives him a beast mark to protect him.

Tim: Also it could be about future beast. What does it mean to now be born of the snake? We have to wait for the Cain and Abel story which is going to answer that question for us. Remember, in Cain and Abel - what do you call that? Teaser? Spoiler alert - Cain gives into a beastly temptation. A temptation described as an animal.

Jon: He strikes down the heel of his brother.

Tim: He kills his brother. Be giving into the animal that is sin. So Cain becomes the model figure of the seed of the serpent. Someone who gives in to the power and influence

of beastly...the subhuman temptation to act in subhuman ways instead of ruling the beast. Man, these narratives are so packed and profound.

In Genesis 3, it's that a beast deceives the humans in to overstepping their bounds. "You could be Elohim. You don't have to settle for this mortal, depending on God's generosity, depending on God's wisdom. You can define good and evil on your own and transcend your mortal limitations. Doesn't that sound great?"

Jon: "Yeah, it sounds good."

Tim: Totally. That's what the beast does to the humans there. But once the humans do that, then they're expelled from the cosmic garden mountain. Then the next narrative is about a human also being ruled by a beast. In the Cain story is the firstborn who's angry that God has chosen his younger brother to accept his offering. Then that places Cain into decision, and what he ends up doing is acting like an animal because of sin is crouching like an animal at the door. So you have another animal crouching, trying to lure a human. And it succeeds and it results in the first act of violence.

Genesis 3 and 4 are really connected here in this humans ruling the animals or humans being ruled by them.

Jon: So humans are supposed to rule the animals. You get a story of an animal deceiving and kind of asserting power and authority over the humans and...

Tim: ...succeeds.

Jon: Then in the next story, you get a story about God choosing to bless the second born child instead of the first. It makes the first angry, Cain. So God tells Cain, "Hey, look, there's an animal who is crouching and he wants to take you out."

Tim: It's called sin.

Jon: And He calls it sin. Tim: Not snake but sin.

Jon: And Cain decides he's going to take matters into his own hands, and sin comes, takes him out, which causes him to take his brother out and kill him. So he gives into this animal nature.

Tim: Yeah, he becomes less than human. He believes that his life can only flourish at the expense now of his brother's life.

Jon: Interesting. If you're out in the field like Abel was, the beast that could get you is probably like a snake could sneak up and bite you.

Tim: Yeah, that's interesting.
Jon: So, Cain does sneak up and he strikes Abel.

Tim: But it ends up being another human acting like an animal. I've never quite thought of this before. But again, if the Genesis 1 ideal is, "Listen, you and I can both flourish. There's plenty of food for us here. We can find a way to flourish together," then that's how I exert my rule and authority as an image of God. But in the Cain story—

Jon: "You're getting hooked up, I'm not."

Tim: "You're flourishing; I think I'm not."

Jon: "I need what you have. I'm just going to get rid of you."

Tim: Yeah, that's right. For me to flourish as a human, you have to die.

Jon: It is a zero-sum kind of way of viewing reality.

Tim: That's right. In the biblical narrative, that the fundamental portrait of a human stepping off the shared divine throne or ruling the world. Once humans choose to redefine good and evil in that kind of way, we are no longer participating in the divine rule of creation. We are asserting a beastly and animal-like rule.

Jon: So the divine rule is a nonzero sum, generous, cooperative way of life?

Tim: Yeah. Genesis 1.

Jon: Genesis 1?
Tim: Yeah.

Jon: Where when you say a beastly way to live, living like animals, is territorial and exerts power through violence. What else would you say?

Tim: I guess in the biblical vision it's a short-sighted view of flourishing, where if I define my own tribe and families flourishing, even if it's at the expense of another, "Oh, well, my tribes flourishing," that's a subhuman form of existence. If humans are called to be the image of God, that's a sub-human way of existing.

[00:24:54]

Tim: Just notice, again, now in Genesis 1 through 4, how much humans’ relationship to animals and the creative developments of those images, how significant these are. They are really fundamental images in the biblical story.

Here's another one from Genesis 3. This is interesting. After the humans are told that there's going to be this hostility between people who give into the serpent and the seed of the woman...Let's pause real quick on that again. What that's telling us is there's going to be a future human who comes to strikes the serpent, and that human's going to be, however, in hostility with people who give into the serpent.

So there's going to be a line of humans who preserve this true humaneness, and that line's always going to be in hostility with people who are acting like animals, giving into the serpent. That's telling you that's what the whole story is going to be.

But eventually, there will be one human who will deal not just with the seed of the serpent but deal with the serpent itself. There you go. Then you just have to keep reading. That's about a Son of Man who will come.

Another point in Genesis 3 is what the consequences that God assigns to the man in Genesis 3:18 where he says, "Cursed is the ground on account of you. It will sprout thorns and thistles and you will eat the grass of the field."

Jon: That's what the animals do.

Tim: That's the diet of the animals in Genesis 1. Jon: That's right.
Tim: In Genesis 1, humans get the fruit trees and— Jon: And they get the seeds of the—

Tim: And vegetables. - what they farm and stuff. And the animals get the green plants of the field. Now, you're driven out into the wilderness and you're going to be forced to eat like animals.

Jon: Wow.

Tim: So humans give into an animal in Genesis 3, they are assigned to the realm of the animals, they take on the diet of animals, and then in Genesis 4 in the Cain story, they begin to act like violent animals.

Jon: This is how Nebuchadnezzar is depicted in Daniel.

Tim: Exactly right.

Jon: His hair gets long, his nails get long and he's out just eating.

Tim: He eats the grass. It's the same thing. He eats the grass of the fields.

Jon: It's the same phrase?

Tim: Yeah. Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel is being depicted as a new Adam figure who just replays Genesis 1 to 3.

Jon: And he thinks he's being like the true powerful human.

Tim: He elevates himself.

Jon: And in reality, he's becoming an animal.

Tim: Then God humbles him and makes him what he really is acting like, which is an animal in the field.

[00:28:19]

Tim: Real quick, from the Genesis 3 and 4 stuff we just did, let's just sketch through the rest of Genesis 3 and 11, which is the biblical fall narrative as a whole. Cain is expelled further—

Jon: After he kills Abel.

Lamech sees this and is like "hehehe, I'll one-up Cain, and get even more":

Tim: Yeah, after he kills Abel he's expelled and goes further east and the first thing he does is build a city. He built the city, has lots of kids, and then the seventh generation from his line is a guy named Lamech.

Jon: What does his name mean?

Tim: Well, it's not a name. There's a couple of clues here. When you read the name Lamech, and you look it up in concordance, there are only two Lamechs in the whole Bible. And it's this Lamech and then the Lamech that comes from his other brother's line.

Jon: It's not a common name.

Tim: It's not a common name. Then if you stare at it longer, in Hebrew, it's both the vowels and the letters of the Hebrew noun for king just turned backwards - inside out.

Jon: The inverted king.

Tim: He's a perverted king. He's a backwards king or the anti-king in other words. This guy Lamech, what does he do? He says, "Listen, Cain killed the guy and God put up with him."

Jon: Go put up with him and He protected him.

Tim: "So you know what? I murdered this kid the other day and I declare that God has to also put up with me seventy times seven." More or less. I'm paraphrasing. But he rewrites God's forgiveness of Cain so to speak and uses it as license for even greater murder. This is all in the context of the first human city. So there's that happening. So all of a sudden you're watching this—

Jon: That's not the kind of neighbor you want.
Tim: Totally. If Cain was becoming an animal by killing his brother, this guy, he's just like... Jon: That guy needs to be on a watch list.

Tim: He's hell on wheels. You know what I mean? He's become less than human. He believes now that his honor is exalted by needlessly murdering another human. It's different than Cain where it's like," Oh, I'm angry I'm jealous. I think I should have what you get." But here Lamech's just like absurd violence. It's an animal.

Jon: He turned up to eleven.

Tim: Totally. So contrast that. Then the narrative goes back. That's the line that comes from Cain. Genesis 5 gives us the line that comes from Cain's younger brother who's born in the place of the brother he murdered that is named Seth.

From Seth you get a genealogy - your favorite part of the Bible to read. Through the line of Seth, you get to the 10th generation from Adam and you get to a guy named Noah. Noah. When Noah is born, page 11—

Jon: Noah for those English speakers out there.

Tim: That's right. Noah's dad says...Actually, oh, yeah. Noah's dad, his name is Lamech too. He's the other Lamech. That's interesting.

Jon: That's interesting.

Tim: He names Noah and says, "I name him Noah, for this one will nacham us from the work and pain of our hands from the ground that the Lord has cursed.” So he names Noah after the comfort. Nacham is brings to comfort or relief.

Jon: It's a wordplay.

Tim: It's a wordplay. Yeah, that's right. So we're thinking like, "Oh, well, if Lamech that came from Cain is the image of the seed of the serpent, humans acting like animals, then here's the seed of the woman - a human who is going to bring relief and comfort from the curse and from all of this.”

So you get Noah - and the story of Noah and the ark is famous. God's going to bring judgment on the rebellious world, but He instructs know to make an ark. Tevah is what's called in Hebrew. The Tevah is described as a micro Eden. It's a little micro Eden.

Jon: What do you mean? Because animals are going to be in there?

Tim: Yeah. In chapter 6 verse 19, God tells Noah, "Of every living creature of all flesh, you shall bring two every kind into the ark to keep them alive with you. Male and female of birds after their kind, of the beasts, animals after they're kind, of every creeping thing on the ground after its kind. Two of every kind will come to you so you can keep them alive." So those categories of beings, you have the birds, the sky flyers, the land walkers, and the creepers.

Jon: Creepers, that's a new addition.
Tim: Oh, no, they are in Genesis 1. The creepers. Jon: The creepers are?

Tim: Yeah. Or the crawlers. The only category not represented is the creatures in the water. They're going to be fine. So you have a human here who is going to rule the animals, which in this case means to save them. To save them. Where? In the ark.

Jon: Incubator.

Tim: So this ark becomes a little Eden 2.0, little mini Eden of the—

Jon: Little floating Eden.

Tim: The human with the animals in the divinely protected space. Then it falls along the waters and then is deposited on the mountain just like Eden in Genesis 2. In other words, Noah is becoming a possible restart of the ideal. All went downhill when human started acting like animals. But here's a human who peacefully coexist with the animal.

Jon: And he's given a new little Eden, and then we'll wipe everything clean and try again.