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Primary Outcast wrote: ↑October 29th, 2021, 11:20 pm Supreme Court refuses to block Maine's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for health care workers

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/suprem ... re-workers


Gorsuch wrote. "Where many other States have adopted religious exemptions, Maine has charted a different course. There, healthcare workers who have served on the front line of a pandemic for the last 18 months are now being fired and their practices shuttered. All for adhering to their constitutionally protected religious beliefs."

And yet the DC district court issued an injunction against the Biden admin against any action in the fed. Vax mandate.

And the above isn't the end of the story, the case is still alive the temp. Injunction is not

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 3:45 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 17th, 2021, 11:09 pm Personally I'm 100% fine with people not getting vaxxed as long as they're never in public again. I think the supreme court agrees with me there (as long as states make it a law, which most americans are in favor of)

Don't have a vaxx? Stay home, get food delivered, do grocery pickup. Just stop participating in society if you think you don't need to be considerate of those around you.

This has got to be a wind up.
No one could be that imbecilic. He's just playing with us... must be.

What I cannot understand is why the vaccinated think the unvaccinated are a threat to them. It defies logic and reason, which anyone with a functioning brain cell on active duty can understand. This is why it's obvious that hamandcheeseman is playing devil's advocate.

If I'm wrong, then he has my sympathy as the lobotomy clearly went seriously wrong.

It only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work. Yes all vaccines. No this one isn't much different from any of the other ones, just cooler technology.

Vaccines lower the chance you'll get seriously ill, and they lower the chance that you'll be able to spread any virus you come in contact with. Emphasis on "lower the chance." Pretending vaccines have ever been used for 100% invincibility is a straw man, which is what you seem to be doing here. The "chance" that matters here is to spread the virus. If we all had antibodies (whether through natural immunity or a vaccine) the virus would have such a low chance of spreading, it would just die out. Just like all the other diseases we've successfully eradicated with inoculation.

The first time the US supreme court ruled on vaccines was 1905. They ruled a state can "force" you to get a vaccine. I put force in quotes because some of y'all around here like to claim that laws are taking away your agency, that's not how laws work, since you can choose to break them.

This virus is seriously impeding the lives of many Americans, 724k of which have had their lives seriously impeded through, you know, DEATH.

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

What pathetic nonsense.

What horrible evil feelings you have for your fellow man (and woman, no doubt) that you ignore their independence, their God given independence and individuality.

And you believe the nonsense as to how many deaths have been falsely attributed to the alleged ... COVIDS!!!

You are caught up in the worship of this new god, this false god, covids.

Come back to reality, and your humanity, before it's too late.
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Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 3:45 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 17th, 2021, 11:09 pm Personally I'm 100% fine with people not getting vaxxed as long as they're never in public again. I think the supreme court agrees with me there (as long as states make it a law, which most americans are in favor of)

Don't have a vaxx? Stay home, get food delivered, do grocery pickup. Just stop participating in society if you think you don't need to be considerate of those around you.

This has got to be a wind up.
No one could be that imbecilic. He's just playing with us... must be.

What I cannot understand is why the vaccinated think the unvaccinated are a threat to them. It defies logic and reason, which anyone with a functioning brain cell on active duty can understand. This is why it's obvious that hamandcheeseman is playing devil's advocate.

If I'm wrong, then he has my sympathy as the lobotomy clearly went seriously wrong.

If the vaccine doesn’t make it way less likely that you will contract a disease, then it’s not very effective.

anonymous91 wrote: ↑October 6th, 2021, 6:53 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 5th, 2021, 8:20 pm

anonymous91 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2021, 7:42 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 5th, 2021, 4:03 pm It has been said by some that getting the mask and the vaccine are examples of Christlike charity, which very well may be true.

Part of this Christlike charity, though, is to recognize that not all can, or want, to get the vaccine and the masks, and NOT make their lives a living hell for their choices, especially if they're part of the demographic that generally WON'T be severely affected by the pandemic much less die. It does not mean you rob them of their livelihood.

Definitely not Christlike, just the opposite. Wearing a mask is literally showing your subservience to Satan, not a Christlike thing to do.

Christ literally healed the sick, he didn't use science to do it. He sure could have, if he so desired to though.

Oh, Christ used science all right. But only a science that was known to Him and to those that have been able to wield priesthood power under His direction to heal.

Wearing a mask is by no means subservience. Some people need to wear them, albeit not necessarily to prevent COVID. These masks are very useful to protect against seasonal allergies where the pollen won't be able to penetrate the mask.

...and I suppose in your world that the ice bucket challenge isn't an inversion of baptism either?

Wearing a mask is literally one of the first initiation steps taken to show your subservience to Satan (ask anyone that practices Satanism).

Since masks absolutely, unequivocally do not work. Then, why are we being pressured to wear masks? The answer is very simple. Satan is mocking God, and having the majority of people unwittingly wearing the mask that symbolizes their subservience to the God of this world.

Christ didn't use Science, he used Faith. Science is created by men and is fallible. Faith is eternal and has the power to move mountains. The problem I see, is too many people are putting their faith in Science, and not in God. SMH

God simply is not beyond science, he just has better science than the rest of us. Science is a process in logic. That is what it is, that is what it is meant for. People do need to realize that there is pseudoscience, which is when people go off the process with faulty logic or get compromised by being too far invested in a logical outcome.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 26th, 2021, 7:16 am

Primary Outcast wrote: ↑September 25th, 2021, 7:43 am Exemptions and negative tests not good enough in San Fran to attend events... Only the vax will do.

"At large and mega indoor events, all patrons 12 and older must be vaccinated at this time," the department’s statement said, according to SFGate. "Under the current order, if unvaccinated, they cannot enter indoor areas regardless of the reason they are unvaccinated and cannot test out of this requirement even if they have a medical or religious exemption. This same rule applies to performers and players employed by the host at large and mega indoor events who are covered by the vaccination requirements of the Health Order."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nba-andr ... s-religion

It will be needed to get on buses or get your haircut.

This is actually discrimination if someone has a medical exemption.

Well it doesn’t seem like the bigwigs acknowledge any need for medical exemption, and that’s the part that made me skeptical.

anonymous91 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2021, 7:42 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 5th, 2021, 4:03 pm It has been said by some that getting the mask and the vaccine are examples of Christlike charity, which very well may be true.

Part of this Christlike charity, though, is to recognize that not all can, or want, to get the vaccine and the masks, and NOT make their lives a living hell for their choices, especially if they're part of the demographic that generally WON'T be severely affected by the pandemic much less die. It does not mean you rob them of their livelihood.

Definitely not Christlike, just the opposite. Wearing a mask is literally showing your subservience to Satan, not a Christlike thing to do.

Christ literally healed the sick, he didn't use science to do it. He sure could have, if he so desired to though.

Notice the big reason why people take their masks off, to make it easier to hear and understand what they are saying.

We have a deaf member in our ward. Taking the mask off shows Christlike charity so the guy can lipread what you're saying.

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 amIt only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work…

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 amIt only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work…

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 amIt only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work…

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

In this case, covid is much less dangerous, by a long shot, than smallpox or anthrax. If you think you need a jab to protect you from dangerous covid, you have bought into the Big Lie.

"What Vaccines Do I Need for North and West Africa?
The PHAC and WHO recommend the following vaccinations for travellers to North and West Africa: hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, cholera, yellow fever, rabies and meningitis.
Some routine vaccinations are also recommended, this includes: measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis (Tdap), influenza, chickenpox, shingles, pneumonia and polio." - result of a search for "africa travel vaccines"

The problem is that while everyone, from government officials and health care workers, call the Covid-19 shot a vaccine, it is clearly not treated as such. When you want to go and visit Africa, the above mentioned vaccines are usually given to protect you while you are there. You don't get off the plane and still put on a mask and social distance from the people you meet. Some of them might have any one of the diseases for which you have been vaccinated. Doesn't matter, you are protected. When you return home, you are not put in isolation for a time, and people don't freak out saying you might now spread the diseases here at home. You are protected. Any germ or virus that entered your body while you were on vacation in Africa, has been destroyed by the anti-bodies created by the vaccines. That's the way vaccines are supposed to work.

Now look at the Covid-19 shot. You get vaccinated. But, for some reason you still need to wear a mask, you still need to social distance, and so on. If this vaccine is supposed to work the same as all of the other vaccines, then you should be able to stand in a room full of unvaccinated people, some with Covid-19, and still be protected. You should still be able to go home to your family in perfect safety, knowing that any COVID-19 viruses that entered your body are being taken care of by your anti-bodies. You shouldn't have to wear a mask or social distance. You should not have to follow any restrictions at all.

But, that is not what we see happening around the world. For some reason, not being shared with us, this COVID-19 is different. Either the virus is unique among all other viruses, including any previous Corona viruses. Or, the vaccine is not really a vaccine in the same way all previous vaccines are. This is why some many people don't trust our leaders. The only issue should be, will the unvaccinated overwhelm our hospitals. Maybe, but those who are already vaccinated should be left alone to carry on their normal lives.

Now, I've been vaccinated. I did my research and waited a few month to see what would happen in Europe, and I'm satisfied that, while different, this "vaccine" is not going to kill me. And I know enough about end-time prophecy to know that this "vaccine" is not the Mark of the Beast. That's a whole other subject. People are hungry for the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy, and from time to time, pin their hopes on some symbolic mark or action as the "Mark". Just as the 666 Bar Code faded away, so will this COVID-19 Mark do the same.

It could be that in the initial rush to combat the COVID-19 virus, most governments went a little crazy. They destroyed our economies and ruined our communities. At the same time they acquired more power over the people, power they are reluctant to give up. And then they discovered the virus wasn't as bad as they thought. No way they will admit that. So they put on this elaborate stage act of masks and distancing, to pretend something is being done. An act that allows them to hold on to their new found powers.

It could be that the COVID-19 vaccine doesn't work at all, but having spent billions of dollars buying million of doses, they're not going to admit that either. So, again, they stage this elaborate act of masks and distancing. Probably hoping to scale back so slowly that people don't see that it was all for nothing.

Anyway, that's some of my thoughts on the subject. Great posts from everyone. Coming to this forum and reading the messages is an activity I always enjoy. Special thanks to those who link to other websites of LDS history and documentation.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:28 am

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 amIt only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work…

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

In this case, covid is much less dangerous, by a long shot, than smallpox or anthrax. If you think you need a jab to protect you from dangerous covid, you have bought into the Big Lie.

Indeed it is much less dangerous, but apparently chicken pox wasn’t considered safe and the fatality rate for that was low, even without any vaccine.

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 17th, 2021, 11:09 pm Personally I'm 100% fine with people not getting vaxxed as long as they're never in public again. I think the supreme court agrees with me there (as long as states make it a law, which most americans are in favor of)

Don't have a vaxx? Stay home, get food delivered, do grocery pickup. Just stop participating in society if you think you don't need to be considerate of those around you.

How far? to what limit?

Same, if you are over 70 years old? I mean, chances at that point are very high you could be driving and have a heart attack.

Same, if you have the flu? have allergies and are sneezing? are passing gas? pick your nose? haven't showered that day? if you are 40 lbs overweight? I could go on and on and on...

Daily shower passports? Fingernail swab tests? I could go on and on and on.

Inane and insane.

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 amIt only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work…

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

Yes, however still, natural immunity is the basis by which vaccines work! And they’re ignoring natural immunity!

91 Clinical Research Studies ALL CONFIRMED That NATURAL IMMUNITY Provides Same, If Not Better Protection Against the Virus Than Covid-19 Vaccines
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... rate-rema/

"Is there a point at which the unvaccinated need to be prosecuted?"

https://www.theblaze.com/news/wapo-unva ... -reactions

Thinker wrote: ↑November 13th, 2021, 10:41 am

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am

hamandcheeseman wrote: ↑October 18th, 2021, 9:15 amIt only defies logic if you don't know how vaccines work…

Now that we have a safe and effective vaccine, if you choose not to get it, then in my honest opinion, you've chosen to stop participating in society. No more of us need to die because of your stupidity and selfishness. Stay home.

Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

Yes, however still, natural immunity is the basis by which vaccines work! And they’re ignoring natural immunity!

91 Clinical Research Studies ALL CONFIRMED That NATURAL IMMUNITY Provides Same, If Not Better Protection Against the Virus Than Covid-19 Vaccines
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... rate-rema/

The problem is that in some of this, the assumption is that the antigen alone is what does it. Why not a full virus that has been deactivated? It sounds in simple terms like shooting for a shortcut when the usual method is what works better when you get a full virus in some way, most complete when it’s a live virus from which you develop the immunity.

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 14th, 2021, 7:15 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 13th, 2021, 10:41 am

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am
Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

Yes, however still, natural immunity is the basis by which vaccines work! And they’re ignoring natural immunity!

91 Clinical Research Studies ALL CONFIRMED That NATURAL IMMUNITY Provides Same, If Not Better Protection Against the Virus Than Covid-19 Vaccines
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... rate-rema/

The problem is that in some of this, the assumption is that the antigen alone is what does it. Why not a full virus that has been deactivated? It sounds in simple terms like shooting for a shortcut when the usual method is what works better when you get a full virus in some way, most complete when it’s a live virus from which you develop the immunity.

Again… Natural immunity is the science by which vaccines are based. WHY IS NATURAL IMMUNITY BEING IGNORED?

This is the biggest, most obvious of all the red flags.

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 10:58 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:28 am

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am
Apparently you don’t know how vaccines work. They are IMITATIONS OF NATURAL IMMUNITY.

• ”vaccine: A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen“

Vaccines are attempts to replicate the intelligent design mechanisms of having fought off a virus (etc) & not having to fight it off again because the body remembers it.

Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

In this case, covid is much less dangerous, by a long shot, than smallpox or anthrax. If you think you need a jab to protect you from dangerous covid, you have bought into the Big Lie.

Indeed it is much less dangerous, but apparently chicken pox wasn’t considered safe and the fatality rate for that was low, even without any vaccine.

Chicken pox isn't the big problem, apart from scarring, shingles is.

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

Like everything nowadays, it is another way not to accept that humans are made in the image of God and that our immune system was created by him for our protection. Just like the natural disasters we are having now, they blamed it on mother nature and now climate change. If they accept it as a judgement from God, they lose their power and authority to rule because there is someone higher than them and they won't accept that.

Niemand wrote: ↑November 14th, 2021, 11:38 am

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 10:58 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:28 am

Benjamin_LK wrote: ↑November 11th, 2021, 8:08 am

The other reason for a vaccine is concerns that the natural exposure might be more dangerous than the shot (smallpox, anthrax, etc)

In this case, covid is much less dangerous, by a long shot, than smallpox or anthrax. If you think you need a jab to protect you from dangerous covid, you have bought into the Big Lie.

Indeed it is much less dangerous, but apparently chicken pox wasn’t considered safe and the fatality rate for that was low, even without any vaccine.

Chicken pox isn't the big problem, apart from scarring, shingles is.

Then you haven't seen the ads for the chicken pox, lol:
"Your child could look like THIS-> [picture of child with scarred face] if they don't get the shot!"

Sunain wrote: ↑November 14th, 2021, 11:46 am

Thinker wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2021, 10:59 am Why is natural immunity being ignored - even though it is far superior to the imitation shots & are often harmful & unconstitutionally medically coerced?

Like everything nowadays, it is another way not to accept that humans are made in the image of God and that our immune system was created by him for our protection. Just like the natural disasters we are having now, they blamed it on mother nature and now climate change. If they accept it as a judgement from God, they lose their power and authority to rule because there is someone higher than them and they won't accept that.

It really comes down to trusting in God (Intelligent Design of our bodies) or men (who often have ulterior motives with investing in pharmacy). I’m not suggesting give up medicine for religion - no way! What I’m referring to is God is a god of TRUTH. Anything that is intelligent & good - is of God. Our bodies’ natural immune systems have shown to be incredibly intelligent - really it’s not difficult to have faith when there’s so much evidence. I understand some who are immune-compromised may not see this evidence. However it is likely all of us - to some extent - can increase health (diet, exercise & faith). And this coronavirus (common cold) is showing to be comparable to seasonal flu - as more reports show covid being blamed for other causes of death.

God is a god of truth. Satan is the father of lies. This plandemic has been filled with lies to destroy faith and instill fear. The placebo effect (aka faith with physical influence) is so strong that it is used to test medicine effectiveness. We need to build up faith in God, ourselves, our bodies & good.

Primary Outcast wrote: ↑November 13th, 2021, 10:16 pm "Is there a point at which the unvaccinated need to be prosecuted?"

https://www.theblaze.com/news/wapo-unva ... -reactions

How about the people who recovered from full blown symptoms?

We have found in 2020 that those who got the 2003 SARS
are still immune 17 years later but it’s not exactly the same virus, so we don’t know how much different the outcome will be. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if a similar phenomenon happened in this case. But there is still the point that other illnesses have counted recovery from the sickness as an immunity.

we realize that Eve, after eating the fruit given to her by satan, was then told to go get Adam to eat.

she told Adam that things would not be normal as she would be kicked out of the garden. She told him it was desirable and pleasant to the taste. She had been told by satan that it was the only way. This is just a general parable regarding sin. First, someone participates in the sin as tempted by satan. Then they ask other people to participate as well.

some people claim that they are tempted by satan but he is not directly tempting them. He tempts them through other people. What a world. Why did we come here? Oh one reason was to learn the difference between good and evil. Lots of lessons in these days. More lessons to come.

a scourge is a whip used to beat a person and even used on Christ before his crucifiction. Translators of Isaiah claim that this scourge in this scripture is an army sent to whip us. We have been warned through scriptures given to phophets by God that disease will cover the whole earth. That is a significant sign of his close coming. Better repent now. May God have mercy

It certainly is "in the eyes".