Boyd K. Packer to speak to Draper, UT Stake tomorrow

[kathyn]

What we do need is urgent calm.

Wow, JPYC, that is so profound! Urgent calm is exactly what we need.

[believer]

Thanks Col. for sharing that with us. Was there anything more specific? Did he say why Draper was picked out?

Could it be that Utah and Arizona are being warned because of problems with Mexico?

A similar proposition as prop. 8 in Calif., passed in Arizona as well. Could those be the reasons?

It is so interesting these times we live in. I am so very glad to have the gospel, the scriptures, a prophet, apostles, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. I am extremely grateful for those things. I am also glad to have the knowledge that the Lord is in control. That gives me a lot of comfort.

believer

[lundbaek]

If "Pres. Packer told the Stake membership that the time of trouble ahead of us was going to be deeper and wider than we are being led to believe." we better try to understand what "deeper and wider" means, an dprepare accordingly. I understand "deeper" to mean that the magnitude of the calamities will be greater than many expect. And I understand "wider" to mean that the duration of the calamities will be longer than many expect.

[JustPullinYourChain]

And I understand "wider" to mean that the duration of the calamities will be longer than many expect.

I understand "wider" to mean that it will affect more people than what we may imagine.

[pjbrownie]

All of this poses a philosophical question for me: What event will trigger the prophets into warning the Church and the world in a dramitic fashion of things to come? Or will they? We know that General Conferences have changed over the years. There used to be times of fire and brimstone, utterance of prophecy, exposition of complex doctrine, and the such. Lately, it has been simple, powerful, repetitive calls to use the atonement, serve, keep the commandments, etc - Sunday picnic topics that raise little eyebrow if one does not have the ears to hear. I wonder what it will take for the tone to be more somber, dire, ultimative, ramped up, or back to prophetic, fire and brimstone, etc. Or will it?

Why does President Packer and some other use local stakes to level these warnings and not to the general public. I wonder if there are some repercussions they want to avoid as long as possible. Despite what some on this board think, fighing the LDG's has not been recommended in scripture, but to let the Lord take justice into his own hands.

[The Red Pill]

IMO, the brethren are trying to prepare us for some very disturbing, troubling and challenging times ahead for not just us as Saints, but also this nation. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the time is soon coming when the wheat will be separated from the tares within the ranks of the church and that as a nation, we are approaching a time of financial and economic turmoil the likes of which we've never seen before, all thanks to modern day LDG's (government officials, bankers, multi-national corporations and the military-industrial complex) as part of Satan's plan of gaining power and control over the nations of the earth

IMO, you are correct in your assessment. I especially liked your frankness about who is responsible. You are absolutely spot on the mark.

We live in a time of great deception: a time when people pretend to be what they are not; a time when people are paid to infiltrate and deceive; a time when apologists for those in high places are paid for their loyalty to the beast.

As you said, a separation is coming (wheat and tares)—A time when the tares will be exposed. Don't anyone be surprised when you find them where you least expected...

Keep telling it like it is Col. Flag, you're doing God's work.

[Col. Flagg]

Col,
Thanks so much for the update.

You're welcome.

I'm getting so excited for general conference.

Me too... always do.

Just hearing the words of the apostles and prophets is comforting and inspiring, especially in these troubling times.

Amen!

[Col. Flagg]

Thanks Col. for sharing that with us.



Was there anything more specific? Did he say why Draper was picked out?

Not according to my Mom.

Could it be that Utah and Arizona are being warned because of problems with Mexico?

That's a good question. To be honest, I don't know why Utah and Arizona have been singled out to receive these warnings from Pres. Packer, but I guess we just have to have faith that a higher power is at work here.

A similar proposition as prop. 8 in Calif., passed in Arizona as well. Could those be the reasons?

It is so interesting these times we live in. I am so very glad to have the gospel, the scriptures, a prophet, apostles, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. I am extremely grateful for those things. I am also glad to have the knowledge that the Lord is in control. That gives me a lot of comfort.

Me too.

believer

[bobhenstra]

Ok, I was wrong, but a good guess? "Urgent calm!" WHAT'S THAT???

bOB

[kathyn]

Our stake conference is in a couple of weeks. I haven't heard yet who might visit us, but I plan to take notes anyhow. It will be interesting to see the flavor of the conference. And I can hardly wait for General Conference. I always enjoy the Spirit and hope I'll be able to catch the really important points this time around.

[Col. Flagg]

And I understand "wider" to mean that the duration of the calamities will be longer than many expect.

I understand "wider" to mean that it will affect more people than what we may imagine.

I have to agree here lundbaek... deeper to me obviously means worse than most think, but wider would seem to indicate that this engineered financial/economic crisis will affect more people around the world than thought, which makes sense considering our global economy.

[kathyn]

"Urgent calm!" WHAT'S THAT???

My take is that it means you prepare more quickly, but yet calmly. Just my 2 cents. (In other words, don't panic, but do get busy.)

[Mahonri]

I just talked to a good friend of mine who is "awake" and lives in the Stake and was there today, and he said that it wasn't has hyped as what is being reported here, but that we need to pay our tithing and if we do that no one will starve.

He said the Brethren are all over the world, and they are not afraid, so we should not be either.

We really need to stop hiding in our caves and start at least doing what we are told, and then maybe start being engaged in a good cause of our own free will, not being commanded in all things.

[Col. Flagg]

All of this poses a philosophical question for me: What event will trigger the prophets into warning the Church and the world in a dramitic fashion of things to come? Or will they? We know that General Conferences have changed over the years. There used to be times of fire and brimstone, utterance of prophecy, exposition of complex doctrine, and the such. Lately, it has been simple, powerful, repetitive calls to use the atonement, serve, keep the commandments, etc - Sunday picnic topics that raise little eyebrow if one does not have the ears to hear. I wonder what it will take for the tone to be more somber, dire, ultimative, ramped up, or back to prophetic, fire and brimstone, etc. Or will it?

Why does President Packer and some other use local stakes to level these warnings and not to the general public. I wonder if there are some repercussions they want to avoid as long as possible. Despite what some on this board think, fighing the LDG's has not been recommended in scripture, but to let the Lord take justice into his own hands.

Good questions pj. I don't know what, if any, kind of warning we would get from the brethren of a pending calamity, plague, disaster, etc. that was going to have a tremendous adverse effect on us all as Saints? IMO, we have plenty of warnings in the scriptures, from the Savior himself, lately from Boyd K. Packer and even former prophets have had documented visions of what was to befall the earth in the last days. On the flip side, look at what happened in Noah's day... the Lord gave his people about 100 years to repent or they would be wiped off the earth and the warnings came from Noah for most of that time period, with few heeding the call to repent... hence, the waters and flood came. The bottom line is that if we are prepared, we shall not fear.

[will]

but that we need to pay our tithing and if we do that no one will starve

I thought is was that we will not burn? I cannot find any promise linked with tithing and starving, I am not saying you are mistaken but could you please elaborate why you feel this way?

[Col. Flagg]

IMO, the brethren are trying to prepare us for some very disturbing, troubling and challenging times ahead for not just us as Saints, but also this nation. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the time is soon coming when the wheat will be separated from the tares within the ranks of the church and that as a nation, we are approaching a time of financial and economic turmoil the likes of which we've never seen before, all thanks to modern day LDG's (government officials, bankers, multi-national corporations and the military-industrial complex) as part of Satan's plan of gaining power and control over the nations of the earth

IMO, you are correct in your assessment. I especially liked your frankness about who is responsible. You are absolutely spot on the mark.

Thanks for the kudos.

We live in a time of great deception: a time when people pretend to be what they are not; a time when people are paid to infiltrate and deceive; a time when apologists for those in high places are paid for their loyalty to the beast.

I'll say.

As you said, a separation is coming (wheat and tares)—A time when the tares will be exposed. Don't anyone be surprised when you find them where you least expected...

Keep telling it like it is Col. Flag, you're doing God's work.

Thank you, but now you've held me to a higher standard here in the forum... not sure I can live up to it?

[Col. Flagg]

I just talked to a good friend of mine who is "awake" and lives in the Stake and was there today, and he said that it wasn't has hyped as what is being reported here, but that we need to pay our tithing and if we do that no one will starve.

Hyped? Trust me, the last thing my Mom is is 'hyped'. She took notes and everything I indicated in my earlier report about what was said is what she wrote down.

He said the Brethren are all over the world, and they are not afraid, so we should not be either.

Why should they or we be? The Lord is on our side. I sure would hate to be a Latter-Day Gadianton right about now.

[reidbump]

Last week we had out stake conference which was a broadcast from SLC for all of Northern California. Pres. Uchtdorf presided with Elder Ballard and and Elder Lance Wickman (70) present.

Elder Wickman basically said don't leave California because Zion is wherever there is a stake of Zion and that if we want to move to another state for peace and security we won't find it.

Neither Uchtdorf nor Ballard provided anything to cause concern re the economic crisis but Uchtdorf did mention sacrifice. Unfortunately, most members came away thinking that this economic crisis is not going to be as bad as perhaps we initially thought. In all honesty, if I didn't know better I would have thought the same thing. They really didn't seem too concerned.

[reidbump]

On another note, Elder Oaks presided at my aunt's stake conference in Mesa, AZ earlier this year and basically said that the coming depression would be unlike any other. I have no idea what his exact words were, but that is what she "heard" either with her ears or her spirit.

[Poltax]

What is the name of the Stake in Draper that this talk by Elder Packer was given?

[Mahonri]

but that we need to pay our tithing and if we do that no one will starve

I thought is was that we will not burn? I cannot find any promise linked with tithing and starving, I am not saying you are mistaken but could you please elaborate why you feel this way?

That is what Elder Packer said at this Stake Conference.

[The Red Pill]

Despite what some on this board think, fighing the LDG's has not been recommended in scripture, but to let the Lord take justice into his own hands.

If you mean to go on the offensive against them with guns and knives, then I would agree that would be wrong. The Book of Mormon makes it clear that we should never start an offensive war. (any politicians listening)

However, if you meant not to get involved in trying to stop evil, sit on the sidelines and let the Lord handle it, then I would strongly disagree.

Ether 8:24-26 makes it clear. "Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when you shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, BECAUSE of this secret combination which SHALL be among you...For it cometh to pass that whosoever buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; ant it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people...Wherefore, I Moroni, am COMMANDED to write these things that evil may be done away."

If we know the truth of our awful situation, then we are commanded by the Lord to do something about it. Warn your family and neighbors, expose the lies (not hard to do these days). Fight for things that are right and true. Defend and be supportive of truth. Get involved and do what you can in your circle of influence.

Anyone who has tried knows how difficult this can be. We are never to force, but only to teach those willing to listen, much like being on a mission.

In the end, truth will prevail. The only question will be what we individually stood for when times were tough. Were we too concerned what others thought of us, our job, our standing in the community or ward to get involved?

The Church, as an institution, does not have the time or resources to fight the beast. It must put all of its energies and resources into teaching and spreading the truth. But we as individuals can and must take a stand.

President Packer is out there telling it like it is. Whoever has eyes to see and ears to hear will get his message and act accordingly. Unfortunately, many that are too distracted by the cares of the world will not.

[ShawnC]

A time when the tares will be exposed. Don't anyone be surprised when you find them where you least expected...

Like on this forum?

[Mahonri]

Despite what some on this board think, fighing the LDG's has not been recommended in scripture, but to let the Lord take justice into his own hands.

Really, then what did Moroni mean when he said not to let them to get above you? What did the Lord mean when he said to wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness? And the many other admonitions?

Go ahead everyone, hide in your caves and think all is going to be well. Let's see how well that works in regards to your gardens. Where there is no sowing, there is no reaping.

[The Red Pill]

A time when the tares will be exposed. Don't anyone be surprised when you find them where you least expected...

Like on this forum?

How perceptive of you "Master Yoda"...

If you were Satan, would you not especially target this forum?

Below is a brief excerpt of an article by Mike Whitney, notice the date.

Never forget the stated objective in bold as you surf the web.


The Pentagon’s War on the Internet

By Mike Whitney

02/13/06 "ICH' -- -- "The Pentagon has developed a comprehensive strategy for taking over the internet and controlling the free flow of information. The plan appears in a recently declassified document, “The Information Operations Roadmap”, which was provided under the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) and revealed in an article by the BBC…

The Pentagon’s plans for engaging in “virtual warfare” are impressive. As BBC notes: “The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks.” (BBC)

The enemy, of course, is you, dear reader, or anyone who refuses to accept their role as a witless-cog in the new world order. Seizing the internet is a prudent way of controlling every piece of information that one experiences from cradle to grave; all necessary for an orderly police-state…

The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial commentary. The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative…"