LDS Freedom Forum

HVDC wrote: ↑August 28th, 2021, 5:52 pm Arnold comes from an interesting family. I wonder how he was able to immigrate to the United States?

Sir H

Subcomandante wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 4:54 am The concept which Mr. Schwarzenegger comes from here, is the idea that with freedom comes personal obligation and responsibility. Not very different from Elder Oaks' and Elder Rasband's interpretation of this exact same idea.

Many people understand rights as being connected with responsibilities and obligations.

Even others that argue for a more individualistic take on rights, would argue that one's rights end when another's rights are affected by you exercising your rights.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 4:54 am The concept which Mr. Schwarzenegger comes from here, is the idea that with freedom comes personal obligation and responsibility. Not very different from Elder Oaks' and Elder Rasband's interpretation of this exact same idea.

Many people understand rights as being connected with responsibilities and obligations.

Even others that argue for a more individualistic take on rights, would argue that one's rights end when another's rights are affected by you exercising your rights.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 7:09 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 4:54 am The concept which Mr. Schwarzenegger comes from here, is the idea that with freedom comes personal obligation and responsibility. Not very different from Elder Oaks' and Elder Rasband's interpretation of this exact same idea.

Many people understand rights as being connected with responsibilities and obligations.

Even others that argue for a more individualistic take on rights, would argue that one's rights end when another's rights are affected by you exercising your rights.

"Freedom comes from personal obligation".

That statement contradicts itself. Freedom is the absence of obligation. Freedom is an inalienable right that comes from God. No man has the moral authority to arbitrarily restrict it or put requirement on it as Arnold Schwarzenegger did.

I only have the right to protect myself. I don't have any right to force someone else to protect me. When I drive through an intersection, I am responsible only for my own safety. If someone else chooses to run a red light, I must be prepared to be vigilant and drive defensively to prevent an accident. I cannot force that person to drive the way I want them to drive.

Seatbelts are immoral, so are airport and security scans. They break natural rights of human beings. Everyone should be able to choose.

If someone comes to work sick, I must take my own precautions to protect myself. I am morally and legally unjustified in forcing someone else to behave a certain way.

I can petition a just government to establish law to restrict the liberty of others as long as those individuals have been tried and convicted of a crime through judge and jury. That is how it is done.

Shaming, mandating, pushing requirements, etc, outside of a legal framework is immoral. You need a good reason and a warrant to search someone and a jury conviction to restrict liberty. Period.

That is the highest LAW of the United States under the Constitution.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 4:54 am The concept which Mr. Schwarzenegger comes from here, is the idea that with freedom comes personal obligation and responsibility. Not very different from Elder Oaks' and Elder Rasband's interpretation of this exact same idea.

Many people understand rights as being connected with responsibilities and obligations.

Even others that argue for a more individualistic take on rights, would argue that one's rights end when another's rights are affected by you exercising your rights.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 8:19 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 4:54 am The concept which Mr. Schwarzenegger comes from here, is the idea that with freedom comes personal obligation and responsibility. Not very different from Elder Oaks' and Elder Rasband's interpretation of this exact same idea.

Many people understand rights as being connected with responsibilities and obligations.

Even others that argue for a more individualistic take on rights, would argue that one's rights end when another's rights are affected by you exercising your rights.

Except that's not what this is. This is guilty until proven innocent. Antithetical to any free society.

markharr wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 10:03 am In some ways, this whole Covid thing was a blessing because we are finding out who is really on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.

markharr wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 10:03 am In some ways, this whole Covid thing was a blessing because we are finding out who is really on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.

libertasbella wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 3:00 pm

markharr wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 10:03 am In some ways, this whole Covid thing was a blessing because we are finding out who is really on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.

Who would have guessed every celebrity would be on the side of tyranny with the exception of James Woods, Ted Nugent and the cast of Duck Dynasty?

Subcomandante wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 4:54 am The concept which Mr. Schwarzenegger comes from here, is the idea that with freedom comes personal obligation and responsibility. Not very different from Elder Oaks' and Elder Rasband's interpretation of this exact same idea.

Many people understand rights as being connected with responsibilities and obligations.

Even others that argue for a more individualistic take on rights, would argue that one's rights end when another's rights are affected by you exercising your rights.

markharr wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 10:03 am In some ways, this whole Covid thing was a blessing because we are finding out who is really on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.

Niemand wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 3:38 am The boundaries of personal freedom are sketchy, but to give you another example, I have had issues with noisy neighbours in the past who get blind drunk and hold loud parties/karaoke at all hours. I have never tried to force them to stop drinking but if they deprive me of my right to some peace at night then that is a violation. (I can tolerate it occasionally but not when I need to get up early.)

One of the few good things about this mess is that I used to get people coughing all over me on public transport, often a few feet away from my face and with no effort to cover their mouths. I really don't miss that. I remember one man had a really vile cough and I complained to him - he thought he was doing nothing wrong and then within a week or two I got the flu (almost certainly from him.)

I think that is an issue of basic hygiene. Covid regs have improved that in some cases, it's just the rest I can't stand.

Sunain wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 6:37 am

markharr wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 10:03 am In some ways, this whole Covid thing was a blessing because we are finding out who is really on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.

Indeed. He and others that say freedom is bad is really sifting who aligns with Satan's plan. Freedom is the Lord's plan.

Arnold sounds like a Nazi...

markharr wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 7:33 am If you think about it, acting is professional deception. No sure why anyone would want to take advice from someone who has risen so far up the ranks of the art of deception. How do you even know if it's his real personal opinion or something he was paid to say?

HVDC wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 8:37 am

Sunain wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 6:37 am

markharr wrote: ↑August 30th, 2021, 10:03 am In some ways, this whole Covid thing was a blessing because we are finding out who is really on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.

Indeed. He and others that say freedom is bad is really sifting who aligns with Satan's plan. Freedom is the Lord's plan.

Arnold sounds like a Nazi...

A stereotypical Hollywood NAZI indeed.

And then there is this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Schwarzenegger

His father was a Nazi, just like almost everyone else at that time, in those countries. But apparently not a stereotypical Hollywood one

Sir H

Schwarzenegger voluntarily applied to join the Austrian National Socialist Party on 1 March 1938, eleven days before the country was annexed. Austria became part of Nazi Germany after being annexed on 12 March 1938.[2] A separate record obtained by the Wiesenthal Center indicates he sought membership before the annexation, but was only accepted in January 1941.

Niemand wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 10:46 am

markharr wrote: ↑August 31st, 2021, 7:33 am If you think about it, acting is professional deception. No sure why anyone would want to take advice from someone who has risen so far up the ranks of the art of deception. How do you even know if it's his real personal opinion or something he was paid to say?

Yes, but that depends on whether you consider Arnie an actor. I've enjoyed some of his films in the past (which I'm embarrassed to admit), but the man's not known for his range or line delivery (he could barely speak English at one point.)

But with other actors that definitely applies. They're paid to be someone else, played to screw around (literally) and play characters they don't like.