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John Tavner
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Re: Working on the Railroad

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HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:40 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:27 pm

You are taking offense where none was intended. Scriptures should teach us to reach towards God, to strive to be better and have a different perspective.

So a question (non accusatory) Are you more worried about you, or about seeking first the Kingdom of God? Each person must answer for themselves.

1) No one is saying they want Chaos at teh border
2) No one is "invading" at the moment - they are pawns, they have no other purpose than attempting to improve their lot in life- They are as much victims as we are in different ways- they are victims of corrupt governments, just like we are.
3) Why can't we handle the human trafficking in our own country? They are a small portion. Atlanta has one of hte highest rates of human trafficking in the world. No one is saying there should be an open border.
Actually, they are thieves. They want to improve their life by theft, lying, and bring satanic socialist mindsets with them. They do not want to be Americans. They want to steal and have a life they did not earn. The very first thing they do is apply for welfare.

Like I said before, stop the incentives and the illegals will stay home. That, in and of itself proves what scum they are. Now if they would come without any incentives and agree to never beg or apply for welfare, and study the constitution and learn English, it might be a different story. But without the free money and food, they would not come. They are thieves.
I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:54 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:59 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:40 pm

Actually, they are thieves. They want to improve their life by theft, lying, and bring satanic socialist mindsets with them. They do not want to be Americans. They want to steal and have a life they did not earn. The very first thing they do is apply for welfare.

Like I said before, stop the incentives and the illegals will stay home. That, in and of itself proves what scum they are. Now if they would come without any incentives and agree to never beg or apply for welfare, and study the constitution and learn English, it might be a different story. But without the free money and food, they would not come. They are thieves.
I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
You are saying that they are far too stupid to realize that they are stealing. That is another reason we do not want them. We have enough stupid people.

If they were not so incredibly stupid, they would wonder where the money comes from or what is the trick? The money is NOT free. We are paying a hefty price for every nickel these scum get. They are too stupid to see that they did not earn the money. That they do not deserve it.

That is why no one has ever heard of anything that a latino invented. Thinking is not their strong suit.

Just because they are pawns is no reason to tolerate them. Get out! Go home.
You called it the free money, that is what they see as well. Most of the world hasn't grown up with an American mindset.

You should just look up Latino inventions.
The ones I found were Americans of Latino descent. Quite a bit different than what you likely meant for me to believe.

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John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:51 pm
farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:54 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:40 pm

Actually, they are thieves. They want to improve their life by theft, lying, and bring satanic socialist mindsets with them. They do not want to be Americans. They want to steal and have a life they did not earn. The very first thing they do is apply for welfare.

Like I said before, stop the incentives and the illegals will stay home. That, in and of itself proves what scum they are. Now if they would come without any incentives and agree to never beg or apply for welfare, and study the constitution and learn English, it might be a different story. But without the free money and food, they would not come. They are thieves.
I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
R u kidding right now? Thry have been on welfare in Washington state since the 90s.. they vote...they get drivers licenses. They forge documents they dont have so they can get benefits. You do agree the root cause is the border then?
No the root cause is our own government and the mexican government.
Ok..strange but that's what I said many. Times over...the root cause is corruption in the government...so I guess we agree to disagree.. lol
Edit to add..I mean disagree to agree.. maybe you think that the cartels really run the open border....if you do you'd be right...cuz that's what corrupt governments let happen.....come back at me with some stronger arguments....and tell us all how anything is compassionate about this issue...anyone?,

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:56 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:40 pm

Actually, they are thieves. They want to improve their life by theft, lying, and bring satanic socialist mindsets with them. They do not want to be Americans. They want to steal and have a life they did not earn. The very first thing they do is apply for welfare.

Like I said before, stop the incentives and the illegals will stay home. That, in and of itself proves what scum they are. Now if they would come without any incentives and agree to never beg or apply for welfare, and study the constitution and learn English, it might be a different story. But without the free money and food, they would not come. They are thieves.
I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.
They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H

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John Tavner
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Re: Working on the Railroad

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Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 7:11 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:54 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:59 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm

I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
You are saying that they are far too stupid to realize that they are stealing. That is another reason we do not want them. We have enough stupid people.

If they were not so incredibly stupid, they would wonder where the money comes from or what is the trick? The money is NOT free. We are paying a hefty price for every nickel these scum get. They are too stupid to see that they did not earn the money. That they do not deserve it.

That is why no one has ever heard of anything that a latino invented. Thinking is not their strong suit.

Just because they are pawns is no reason to tolerate them. Get out! Go home.
You called it the free money, that is what they see as well. Most of the world hasn't grown up with an American mindset.

You should just look up Latino inventions.
The ones I found were Americans of Latino descent. Quite a bit different than what you likely meant for me to believe.
What? They were born in Mexico, or Brazil, or Chile, or Argentina or Peru. They lived there and often times died there.

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:25 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:56 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm

I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.
They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H
Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 7:33 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:51 pm
farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:54 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm

I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
R u kidding right now? Thry have been on welfare in Washington state since the 90s.. they vote...they get drivers licenses. They forge documents they dont have so they can get benefits. You do agree the root cause is the border then?
No the root cause is our own government and the mexican government.
Ok..strange but that's what I said many. Times over...the root cause is corruption in the government...so I guess we agree to disagree.. lol
Edit to add..I mean disagree to agree.. maybe you think that the cartels really run the open border....if you do you'd be right...cuz that's what corrupt governments let happen.....come back at me with some stronger arguments....and tell us all how anything is compassionate about this issue...anyone?,
I've never interacted with you before on this topic - you make it seem as if you and I have had this discussion many times. It appeared to me as if you were blaming hte victims, and I was making sure the victim's weren't being blamed and the correct group received your ire.
Your question doesn't make any sense. If you want to rephrase it maybe I can answer it. Are you saying it is not loving or compassionate to do as instructed in MOsiah 4 to give to a beggar as Mangus did? or do you feel you are above the scriptures and your point of view trumps scripture?
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Re: Working on the Railroad

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John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:33 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:25 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:56 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm

They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.
They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H
Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.
We are all suffering from their presence.

You just cannot see how it all ties together.

It's not only them.

Plenty of others slaying America.

They are just the largest most visible group.

But not to worry.

The situation is fatal.

But not serious.

Sir H

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John Tavner
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Re: Working on the Railroad

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HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:39 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:33 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:25 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:56 pm

Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.
They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H
Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.
We are all suffering from their presence.

You just cannot see how it all ties together.

It's not only them.

Plenty of others slaying America.

They are just the largest most visible group.

But not to worry.

The situation is fatal.

But not serious.

Sir H
In your case it is serious but hopefully not fatal.

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:37 pm
farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 7:33 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:51 pm
farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:54 pm

R u kidding right now? Thry have been on welfare in Washington state since the 90s.. they vote...they get drivers licenses. They forge documents they dont have so they can get benefits. You do agree the root cause is the border then?
No the root cause is our own government and the mexican government.
Ok..strange but that's what I said many. Times over...the root cause is corruption in the government...so I guess we agree to disagree.. lol
Edit to add..I mean disagree to agree.. maybe you think that the cartels really run the open border....if you do you'd be right...cuz that's what corrupt governments let happen.....come back at me with some stronger arguments....and tell us all how anything is compassionate about this issue...anyone?,
I've never interacted with you before on this topic - you make it seem as if you and I have had this discussion many times. It appeared to me as if you were blaming hte victims, and I was making sure the victim's weren't being blamed and the correct group received your ire.
Your question doesn't make any sense. If you want to rephrase it maybe I can answer it. Are you saying it is not loving or compassionate to do as instructed in MOsiah 4 to give to a beggar as Mangus did? or do you feel you are above the scriptures and your point of view trumps scripture?
You obviously didn't read what I posted throughout the interchange with tmac.....ilm saying that our governments action on the border has caused nothing but misery...that the people here shouldn't be here if they are illegal...that our laws should be enforced.....our border secured.....the woman who got her feet broken shouldn't have been here in the first place....thats what I'm saying.....the woman is a victim of sorts but also complicit because she broke the law yet we are to care for them...i also mentioned that my family took in a 9 year old illegal immigrant who was brought here by her brothers who we all call our little sister in my family and stayed with my parents ten years..........tmac brought in malum in se and malum prohibitum.....I disagree that it is a natural right for people to cross the border and come into the country........i said it's not compassionate to allow people into the country who are not documented...i also said that we need a better way to get people here to work on h2 visas....which our politicians don't have the will to do......i said it's not compassionate to have people inan apt with 19 people......I asked the question to anyone commenting how this is compassionate to allow this to happen on the border.....you would know this if you had bothered to read my posts..and there is no ire...it's just plain facts and common sense we protect our border.....it's not loving people to allow them to be abused and used at the border. It's also not loving anyone to allow the rule of law to be selectively applied......I do wonder if you have any comprehension skills....your last question am I above the scriptures is quite amusing....would Jesus ask me that question because of my position that the open border is causation for all the horrible things happening to people there? Maybe check back on the thread before you ask irrelevant questions.....you have no understanding of what anyone here is saying......i really did paint a house today and I really do work that most Americans won't do....i did take a water break and write a post...lol....seriously there is no ire and no offense.......most people have absolutely no common sense when it comes to the border and are seriously ignorant of the facts....as we have seen with the arguments presented and the scriptures posted....

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:33 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:25 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:56 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm

They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.
They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H
Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.
I didn't see this post till just now.....would Jesus have said this to someone? I think your the one who is feeling the ire and offense and projecting it on anyone who you feels disagrees even though you don't understand the context of the comment....

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Re: Working on the Railroad

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farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 10:27 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:33 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:25 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 6:56 pm

Why are you condemning them? Why do you feel justified in your condemnation? They aren't the cause, what we are seeing are symptoms.
They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H
Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.
I didn't see this post till just now.....would Jesus have said this to someone? I think your the one who is feeling the ire and offense and projecting it on anyone who you feels disagrees even though you don't understand the context of the comment....
Believe as you wish. How you read it is how you perceive it whether or not your perception is correct or not is a judgment you will have to make. I suppose if I were to make a correction I would remove "from these individuals." So it would read "I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from" and I would leave the rest of the statements "as is."

James 3:2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.

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Mangus MacLeod wrote: August 30th, 2022, 10:29 pm Since I have been known to share stories in this thread, rather than start another thread for this story -- which seems like it would be a waste anyway, I'm going to be loyal to this thread and share it here.

Within the past week, I was traveling along I-15 through Utah from Arizona to Idaho. I needed a few things, so I stopped at the Costco in Spanish Fork, and than swung over by the nearby Walmart. As I was pulling through the parking lot, I noticed what appeared to be a hispanic woman, sitting in a wheelchair, with braces on both legs, pan-handling. She was in a weird spot, at the side of the Walmart parking, right in front of the Petco dumpsters.

Well, for whatever reason, I have a soft spot for pan-handlers. I know that some of them are scammers, so I virtually always talk to them to find out what their story is, and then discern for myself whether or not I think they are worthy of a donation. And, if I conclude they are, I usually try to be as generous as I can be, in hopes that it will be enough that they can then go do what it is they need to do, whether it be buy a tank of gas, or whatever.

In this case, I made a mental note of this woman, and then went into Walmart, with the intention of going and talking to her when I was done, which I did.

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She was sitting out in the sun in a hot, black parking lot in the middle of the afternoon, without any shade, food or water. She didn't speak a word of English. But between my poor Spanish and our cell phone translation apps, we were able to communicate, and she told me her story. She said that she had come from Ecuador to the U.S./Mexican border in hopes of crossing. She had come with her "man," leaving three children in Ecuador with her mother, hoping to eventually send for them. Well, at the border, she made it over the wall, but badly broke both her ankles when she landed on the U.S., side of the border, requiring extensive reconstructive surgery, including plates and screws, etc. But her man didn't make it over the wall, and was detained in Mexico. This all happened about two months ago, and she hasn't heard from him since. But she recently made it to Provo, where she has a friend, who she is staying with.

Because I have been scammed/burnt before, including recently in the worst such scam I have ever experienced, I took a trust but verify approach with her, and actually asked her to take off her braces and show me her ankles, which she did. At that point, I was quite embarrassed that I had been so jaded. I got her some food and water, gave her a generous donation, and got her contact information.

On my way back from Idaho, I checked in on her, at her residence, with her friends, in Provo, just to see how everyone was doing. There were nine people in a two bedroom apartment, for which they all pool their money earned mostly from working for Door Dash, and pay $1900/month for rent. She told me that because of her broken ankles, obviously there's not much work she can do, so that's why she panhandles, because she is obligated both for her share of the living expenses, and to send some money back home for her children. She said that panhandling beats sitting home bored in the apartment. But since they live in a second floor apartment, someone has to take her wheelchair, while someone else carries her on their back down the stairs.

I asked her how much money she typically receives per half-day pan-handling session. I was shocked when she told me that it is usually only $20-30, and never more than $50 (except the day I came by).

I'll be honest, I am still kind of floored, that right in the heart of so-called "Zion," people are that self-absorbed and blind to the needs around them.

I am still floored. Should I be? What is wrong with me that I should even care about something like this?
I posted this a few weeks ago.

CHARITY - " I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness"

Over the years, and mostly because of my circumstance - needing the help from others,
I have had the unique opportunity to experience first hand how so many are,
(especially most members of the church), about being charitable to others.
And now I know why the Lord said what He said to us about charity.

We as Gentiles and members of the church have been so blessed -
receiving the gospel and blessed with abundance in so many ways;
especially those that live in this "choice land" of AMERICA.
Just look how blessed YOU are.

Like those in the Book of Mormon - that had received the gospel and were so blessed with riches,
but became proud, and did not have charity for their fellow man,
we have become the same, and now, like them, will lose EVERYTHING; even the gospel.


I once told a friend -
that my sister - who was a good member of the church,
and who lived in a 4M dollar house - traveled all over the World;
I once told him, that even though - compared to my sister, and so many members who have so much,
that I was still thankful, that I had what I had,
and could eat the crumbs from their table; - (because I had to go to the D. I. Deseret Ind. to buy things.


Ether 12
28 Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness,
and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me—the fountain of all righteousness.


"When the Gentiles come unto Christ, he shows them their weakness; yet his grace suffices for those who humble themselves. Faith, hope, and charity bring the Gentiles of Christ, the fountain of all righteousness.
The Lord saves the righteous Gentiles both temporally and spiritually."


Ether 12
34 And now I know that this love which thou hast had for the children of men is charity;
wherefore, except men shall have charity they cannot inherit that place which thou hast prepared
in the mansions of thy Father.
35 Wherefore, I know by this thing which thou hast said, that if the Gentiles have not charity,
because of our weakness, that thou wilt prove them, and take away their talent,
yea, even that which they have received, and give unto them who shall have more abundantly.

36 And it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord that he would give unto the Gentiles grace,
that they might have charity.


37 And it came to pass that the Lord said unto me: If they have not charity it mattereth not unto thee, thou hast been faithful; wherefore, thy garments shall be made clean. And because thou hast seen thy weakness thou shalt be made strong, even unto the sitting down in the place which I have prepared in the mansions of my Father.

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ALL THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SO BLESSED AND FORTUNATE ENOUGH - TO RECEIVE ALL THE BLESSINGS
OF LIVING IN THIS "CHOICE LAND" OF AMERICA -
PLEASE READ THIS -
BECAUSE IT WON'T LAST LONG; AS THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES ARE COMING TO AN END.


COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS



If you woke up this morning with more health than illness...
you are more blessed than the one million
who will not survive this week.

If you have never experienced the danger of battle,
the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture,
or the pangs of starvation...
you are ahead of 500 million people in the world.

If you can attend a church or synagogue without
fear of harassment, arrest, torture, or death...
you are more blessed than three million people
in the world.

If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your back,
a roof overhead, and a place to sleep,
you are richer than 75% of the world.

If you have money in the bank, in your wallet,
and spare change in a dish someplace...
you are among the top 8% of the world's wealthy.

If your parents are still alive and still married...
you are very rare, even in the United States.

If you hold up your head with a smile on your face
and are truly thankful... you are blessed
because the majority can, but most do not.

If you can hold someone's hand, hug them
or even touch them on the shoulder...you are blessed
because you can offer a healing touch.

If you can read this message, you just received
a double blessing in that someone was thinking of you,
and furthermore, you are blessed than over two billion people
in the world that cannot read at all.

Have a good day, COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS,
and pass this along to remind everyone else
just how blessed we all are.

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20 But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another,
wherefore the world lieth in sin.
D&C 49

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Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:16 pm
Atrasado wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:05 pm
Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 10:02 am They don't come because they love freedom. the constitution. or to become Americans. They hate us. They came to get freebies, rape women, draw graffiti, and be parasites and divide us. They create a divide by not learning English. They have few if any skills. They are socialists and therefore satanic. When the welfare runs out, we will either kill them or they will kill us.

We owe them nothing. Zero. Zip. They are criminals the second they step on our soil.

It is American complacency. laziness, cowardice, and satanic comfort that allow it. I was in line at the Post Office behind a deputy sheriff when at the front of the line was an obvious criminal. He spoke no English, was holding up the line and wanted to get his mail. I asked the deputy "Why don't you arrest the obvious criminal?" She said that nobody cares. If we lock him up no one will come get him and we will have to feed him forever.

There are millions of those commie pricks here now. They contribute nothing.
I've known illegal immigrants and most of them would work any of us under the table.
God gave everyone talents. Some of us are smart. Some of us are laborers.

Of course there are good things a person might say about them. But criminally breaking into our country to hasten our bankruptcy and destruction is not one of them.
unfortunately Fred,
it's members like you - and all other proud Gentiles that will be swept off this "choice land" - of America,
because as a Gentile, you have forgotten - forgotten that this land of America is not yours (you're a tourist)
but given to The House of Israel, and YOU - do not have care for them
or care about the covenant the Lord has made with them.
The only thing you can say about them is bad.

THIS IS YOU FRED **********

don't you believe in theses scriptures ?
READ THEM !

Have we forgotten the covenant the Lord made with
The House of Israel ? YES ! but The Lord hasn't.
The Lord WILL remember it !
3 Nephi 16:11,12, 10
11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people,
O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles SHALL NOT have POWER over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.



D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;

29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.

30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness
shall cover the land.


"And upon my house shall it begin"
D&C 112:24-26
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.
(This blasphemy includes false doctrines.)

3 Nephi 21
12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

21 And I will execute vengeance and fury upon them, even as upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.


This is a comment I made to someone.

ya it's a ... a little hard to stop scripture from being fulfilled isn't it.

do you read The Book of Mormon ?

quote
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"These Gentiles have no charity for their fellow beings.
They don't thank the Jews nor Lehi's descendants for the scriptures they have received from them.

Instead, they curse and hate them and will not recover them.

The Lord lengthens out his arm to the Gentiles all the day long.
But they mar the Lord's servant who brings forth His words.
Their rejecting the Lord's servant and their rejecting the gospel doubly testifies of their apostasy; Nephi, therefore, offers no hope for the Gentiles unless they reconcile themselves to Christ.

Although the Gentiles know God's decrees on this land, many allow secret combinations to get above them. Drunken with iniquity and all manner of abominations, they suffer woes- God's covenant curse. When they reject his words, the Lord cuts them off from his people. He removes the fullness of his gospel from among the wicked, giving it to those who will receive it. With the wicked Gentiles' apostasy and its aftermath, the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The Lord turns the iniquities of the Gentiles upon their own heads. He comes out in justice against them. The wicked Gentiles bring down the fullness of God's wrath, just as the Jaredites and Nephites did. The Lord visits the Gentiles "with thunder and with earthquake, and with a great noise, and with storm, and with tempest, and with the flame of devouring fire". The sword of justices falls on the wicked Gentiles. He destroys the Gentiles; cities and chariots and executes vengeance and fury upon them.
He covers their land with a desolating sickness. A scourge consumes the wicked.
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power.
Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces.
Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities.
The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish."


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(taken from another post of mine)

actually, this "choice land" - where Zion will be built, has been given to the remnants of Jacob, and the House of Israel.
There will be very few Gentiles - members after the cleansing that will help the Lord's people and build Zion.
We (members - Gentiles) are only assistants to them- "shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob,"
to the remnant of Jacob and House of Israel;

3 Nephi 21 ("they" is us Gentiles)
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations in preparing the way whereby his people
may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.


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This "choice land" has been given to the remnants of Jacob, and the House of Israel.

3 Nephi 20

10 And it came to pass that when they had all given glory unto Jesus, he said unto them: Behold now I finish
the commandment which the Father hath commanded me concerning this people, who are a remnant of the house of Israel.

14 And the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you this land, for your inheritance.

15 And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people—

16 Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

17 Thy hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

18 And I will gather my people together as a man gathereth his sheaves into the floor.

19 For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it.

20 And it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that the sword of my justice shall hang over them at that day; and except they repent it shall fall upon them, saith the Father, yea, even upon all the nations of the Gentiles.

21 And it shall come to pass that I will establish my people, O house of Israel.

22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem.
And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.


It's interesting when the Lord says "my people" he means
"the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel"
and not us, the Gentiles (The church and it's members.)
Why isn't it the other way around - If we are favored and are
the Lord's chosen people.?
3 Nephi 21:23,24 and other scriptures above

3 Nephi 21
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations
in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.

3 Nephi 21:
12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles,
yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest,
as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who,if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

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why do the scriptures say " build up the waste places of Zion " ?
because America will be swept clean.

Isaiah 51:3 2 Nephi 8:3

3 For Jehovah is comforting Zion,
bringing solace to all her ruins;
he is making her wilderness like Eden,
her desert as the garden of Jehovah.
Joyful rejoicing takes place there,
thanksgiving with the voice of song.

"In the millennial age of peace that follows the mission of Jehovah’s servant, promised lands—a second chief covenant blessing after offspring—transform into a new Paradise (Isaiah 11:1-9; 55:4-13; 65:17-25). Ruins are rebuilt by Jehovah’s elect in Zion who receive inheritances of land (Isaiah 44:26; 58:11-12; 61:4). To those who heed the voice of Jehovah’s servant (Isaiah 28:23; 50:10; 58:1), whose righteousness resembles his righteousness (v 1), all attests to covenant curses—ruins, wilderness, and desert—joyously reversing into covenant blessings" (Isaiah 32:15-20; 35:1-2, 6-7; 58:12)."


D&C 103
11 But verily I say unto you, I have decreed that your brethren which have been scattered shall return to the lands of their inheritances, and shall build up the waste places of Zion.

D&C 101
17 Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.
18 They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion—

2 Nephi 15:17 Isaiah 5:17
17 Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.
“Jehovah will have compassion on Jacob and once again choose Israel; he will settle them in their own land, and proselytes will adhere to them and join the house of Jacob”

Isaiah 58:12
12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

"Jehovah’s returnees to Zion rebuild the ancient ruins under the direction of his servant: “Who fulfills the word of his servant, accomplishes the aims of his messengers, who says of Jerusalem, ‘It shall be reinhabited,’ and of the cities of Judah, ‘They shall be rebuilt, their ruins I will restore’” (Isaiah 44:26); “They will rebuild the ancient ruins, raise up the old waste places; they will renew the desolate cities demolished generations ago” (Isaiah 61:4); “Jehovah is comforting Zion, bringing solace to all her ruins; he is making her wilderness like Eden, her desert as the garden of Jehovah.” (Isaiah 51:3).

Isaiah 52:9
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

"A time of comfort and rejoicing arrives when Jehovah’s people who expiate their iniquities see covenant curses turn into blessings and their desolate circumstances transformed (Isaiah 40:1-2; 49:8-13; 51:3; 61:1-3). With the empowerment of Jehovah’s servant and his associates, a new day dawns for those who ascend to the Zion/Jerusalem level and levels higher. Jehovah “comforts” them in their distress when he “redeems” them—when he releases them from bondage and gathers them home in a new exodus to Zion" (vv 3, 11-12; Isaiah 35:9-10; 43:1-2; 48:20-21; 51:9-12; 54:5-8; 66:12-13).

Very few members will be left after the cleansing
and will be (allowed) to "assist" the remnants of Jacob,
and House of Israel who's land this has been given to;
" to build up the waste places of Zion— "
to be numbered with them; the House of Israel, to build up the New Jerusalem.

3 Nephi 21
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.
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HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:40 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:27 pm

You are taking offense where none was intended. Scriptures should teach us to reach towards God, to strive to be better and have a different perspective.

So a question (non accusatory) Are you more worried about you, or about seeking first the Kingdom of God? Each person must answer for themselves.

1) No one is saying they want Chaos at teh border
2) No one is "invading" at the moment - they are pawns, they have no other purpose than attempting to improve their lot in life- They are as much victims as we are in different ways- they are victims of corrupt governments, just like we are.
3) Why can't we handle the human trafficking in our own country? They are a small portion. Atlanta has one of hte highest rates of human trafficking in the world. No one is saying there should be an open border.
Actually, they are thieves. They want to improve their life by theft, lying, and bring satanic socialist mindsets with them. They do not want to be Americans. They want to steal and have a life they did not earn. The very first thing they do is apply for welfare.

Like I said before, stop the incentives and the illegals will stay home. That, in and of itself proves what scum they are. Now if they would come without any incentives and agree to never beg or apply for welfare, and study the constitution and learn English, it might be a different story. But without the free money and food, they would not come. They are thieves.
I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.
DON'T BELONG HERE !
NOT THEIR HOUSE ! ! !

more like - NOT YOUR HOUSE.

I suggest you read the things I just posted - all the scriptures in my comment to Fred

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Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:11 am
Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:16 pm
Atrasado wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:05 pm
Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 10:02 am They don't come because they love freedom. the constitution. or to become Americans. They hate us. They came to get freebies, rape women, draw graffiti, and be parasites and divide us. They create a divide by not learning English. They have few if any skills. They are socialists and therefore satanic. When the welfare runs out, we will either kill them or they will kill us.

We owe them nothing. Zero. Zip. They are criminals the second they step on our soil.

It is American complacency. laziness, cowardice, and satanic comfort that allow it. I was in line at the Post Office behind a deputy sheriff when at the front of the line was an obvious criminal. He spoke no English, was holding up the line and wanted to get his mail. I asked the deputy "Why don't you arrest the obvious criminal?" She said that nobody cares. If we lock him up no one will come get him and we will have to feed him forever.

There are millions of those commie pricks here now. They contribute nothing.
I've known illegal immigrants and most of them would work any of us under the table.
God gave everyone talents. Some of us are smart. Some of us are laborers.

Of course there are good things a person might say about them. But criminally breaking into our country to hasten our bankruptcy and destruction is not one of them.
rant
Well, for you and the sub that chose to live in Mexico, it is not hard to see brain melt. Let's not forget white and delightsome. Some are and some are not. Wasn't your choice or mine. God wanted people classified. And so they are.

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Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:16 am
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Fred wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:40 pm

Actually, they are thieves. They want to improve their life by theft, lying, and bring satanic socialist mindsets with them. They do not want to be Americans. They want to steal and have a life they did not earn. The very first thing they do is apply for welfare.

Like I said before, stop the incentives and the illegals will stay home. That, in and of itself proves what scum they are. Now if they would come without any incentives and agree to never beg or apply for welfare, and study the constitution and learn English, it might be a different story. But without the free money and food, they would not come. They are thieves.
I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.
DON'T BELONG HERE !
NOT THEIR HOUSE ! ! !

more like - NOT YOUR HOUSE.

I suggest you read the things I just posted - all the scriptures in my comment to Fred
LOL.

You posted something.

And I better read it.

Or something will happen.

Sure.

Mexicans and the rest of the peoples of South America are not the remnant of Jacob.

They are a mix of Asian, European and Negro blood.

They do not live in the lands of promise.

But they would like too.

Neither do you know who the real House of Israel are.

Hint.

It ain't those who call themselves Jews.

You are a nut.

Believing that you understand the scriptures.

So smart.

Lots of people like you.

They come and go.

But God never changes.

Drink up.

Apparently your favorite beverage.
Sir H

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John Tavner wrote: September 4th, 2022, 7:24 am
farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 10:27 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:33 pm
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:25 pm

They are not innocent victims.

They are the victimizers.

They are an army of criminals.

They hide and provide cover for the criminal activities of their family members.

They hate us.

They hate you.

And while their predations are symptomatic of our enslaved state.

They are not our sainted replacements.

As individuals they are neither necessarily good nor bad.

But as a group operating on the fringes.

They are responsible for a plethora of societal ills.

They cost more than they contribute.

And are destroying the country.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the support of Big Government, Zionist Banksters and bleeding heart religionists.

All of whom prospers from them via taxpayer theft.

Why do I feel justified in asking them to be deported?

Because they don't belong here.

Simple.

Sir H
Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.
I didn't see this post till just now.....would Jesus have said this to someone? I think your the one who is feeling the ire and offense and projecting it on anyone who you feels disagrees even though you don't understand the context of the comment....
Believe as you wish. How you read it is how you perceive it whether or not your perception is correct or not is a judgment you will have to make. I suppose if I were to make a correction I would remove "from these individuals." So it would read "I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from" and I would leave the rest of the statements "as is."

James 3:2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
Lol....do the scriptures really mean anything to you? You throw them around loosely....

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farmerchick wrote: September 4th, 2022, 12:59 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 4th, 2022, 7:24 am
farmerchick wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 10:27 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 9:33 pm

Wow, it sounds like your life is pretty tough. I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from these individuals. I hope you are able to survive this hell you live in.
I didn't see this post till just now.....would Jesus have said this to someone? I think your the one who is feeling the ire and offense and projecting it on anyone who you feels disagrees even though you don't understand the context of the comment....
Believe as you wish. How you read it is how you perceive it whether or not your perception is correct or not is a judgment you will have to make. I suppose if I were to make a correction I would remove "from these individuals." So it would read "I can only imagine the trauma you must be suffering from" and I would leave the rest of the statements "as is."

James 3:2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
Lol....do the scriptures really mean anything to you? You throw them around loosely....
Proverb 9:10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

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Fred wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:46 am
Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:11 am
Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:16 pm
Atrasado wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:05 pm
I've known illegal immigrants and most of them would work any of us under the table.
God gave everyone talents. Some of us are smart. Some of us are laborers.

Of course there are good things a person might say about them. But criminally breaking into our country to hasten our bankruptcy and destruction is not one of them.
rant
Well, for you and the sub that chose to live in Mexico, it is not hard to see brain melt. Let's not forget white and delightsome. Some are and some are not. Wasn't your choice or mine. God wanted people classified. And so they are.
sorry Fred, but Mexico has nothing to do with it, and doesn't influence how I feel or look at this at all.
I felt the way I do, many many years ago, long before I ever even went to Mexico;
because of what the scriptures say about the Lord's people - The House of Israel and Lehi's descendants;
which I believe could be many of those that are South of the border.
And even if they're not, why are you racist Fred ?
You seem to believe that whites are superior. They're not.
In fact, in many ways - the Gentiles - who are predominately white - and according to what the scriptures say -
are in many ways inferior and secondary to the Lord's people - The House of Israel.
" The Lord has ordained no salvation or plan of salvation outside of the covenant with His people Israel"
US as Gentiles - Our only hope is to be numbered with The House of Israel - the Lord's covenant people.

Do you really think that God sees YOU above or better than others just because of the color of your skin !
- that He really favors whites over others ?
(You probably think Jesus is white. lol. )

God looks only on the heart - and the desires of.
And “for where your treasure is - there will be your heart also”

If God classifies people, it's only to separate them from those that believe and serve Him,
and those who do not.

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HVDC wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:49 am
Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:16 am
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm
John Tavner wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm

I agree, stop the incentives, but it doesn't make them a thief when it is common and expected and given. Their actions are symptoms, not the disease. I think you are painting with a very broad brush. Perhaps the newer generation of illegals are doing this, I don't know, but the most of the ones about 10-20 years ago were not on welfare and worked many jobs. Again, if the money is free, they aren't stealing in their eyes - the governments are the true thieves, they are filled with the Gads - what is happening is a symptom, not the cause..
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.
DON'T BELONG HERE !
NOT THEIR HOUSE ! ! !

more like - NOT YOUR HOUSE.

I suggest you read the things I just posted - all the scriptures in my comment to Fred
LOL.

You posted something.

And I better read it.

Or something will happen.

Sure.

Mexicans and the rest of the peoples of South America are not the remnant of Jacob.

They are a mix of Asian, European and Negro blood.

They do not live in the lands of promise.

But they would like too.

Neither do you know who the real House of Israel are.

Hint.

It ain't those who call themselves Jews.

You are a nut.

Believing that you understand the scriptures.

So smart.

Lots of people like you.

They come and go.

But God never changes.

Drink up.

Apparently your favorite beverage.
Sir H
ya, ya, ya.
Mexicans and the rest of the peoples of South America are not the remnant of Jacob.
well if they're not, then I don't know who is.

like I said to one person -
if it's the Indians,
please tell me how they could possible fulfill this scripture -
Indians being so so few, while there are Millions of Mexicans -
"among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them ".

to repeat myself -

who else could it be -- got any ideas ?
who else would fit better ? to you.
who would fulfill what the scriptures are saying about the House of Israel, and what they will do ?

WHO ELSE ARE AMONG US - IN THE MIDST OF THEM -- in the U.S. -- the Gentiles ? ? ?

3 Nephi 21:
12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles,
yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest,
as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who,if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

The sword of justices falls on the wicked Gentiles. He destroys the Gentiles; cities and chariots and executes vengeance and fury upon them.
He covers their land with a desolating sickness. A scourge consumes the wicked.
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power.
Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces.
Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities.
The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish."

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Leftist propaganda is not the gospel of Jesus Christ no matter how hard you try.......the myopic view is tantalizing to the destroyers who love to take whatever is there to the detriment of themselves in the long run....once the destroyer uses it all up its gone.....the creator/ builders however see the vision of what could be and does the hard things to acheive their goals for their own benefit and others as well.....there are no limits to the creation and it continurs as long as the principles that allowed it to flourish are in place.....one consumes...one produces...which one are you? All acriptires aside...since we are all sinners anyway......that's what this boils down to...ill stick with Fred and sir h....lol....have a great sunday...im.going to enjoy my creations....

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Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 2:39 pm
HVDC wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:49 am
Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:16 am
HVDC wrote: September 3rd, 2022, 5:49 pm

They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.

They cause lots of problems.

They are breaking the law.

Enforce the law.

Why are you defending them?

Cause Jesus?

No border, no country.

They are a nation.

We are not.

Sir H
They are illegal.

This is not their house.

They don't belong here.
DON'T BELONG HERE !
NOT THEIR HOUSE ! ! !

more like - NOT YOUR HOUSE.

I suggest you read the things I just posted - all the scriptures in my comment to Fred
LOL.

You posted something.

And I better read it.

Or something will happen.

Sure.

Mexicans and the rest of the peoples of South America are not the remnant of Jacob.

They are a mix of Asian, European and Negro blood.

They do not live in the lands of promise.

But they would like too.

Neither do you know who the real House of Israel are.

Hint.

It ain't those who call themselves Jews.

You are a nut.

Believing that you understand the scriptures.

So smart.

Lots of people like you.

They come and go.

But God never changes.

Drink up.

Apparently your favorite beverage.
Sir H
ya, ya, ya.
Mexicans and the rest of the peoples of South America are not the remnant of Jacob.
well if they're not, then I don't know who is.

like I said to one person -
if it's the Indians,
please tell me how they could possible fulfill this scripture -
Indians being so so few, while there are Millions of Mexicans -
"among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them ".

to repeat myself -

who else could it be -- got any ideas ?
who else would fit better ? to you.
who would fulfill what the scriptures are saying about the House of Israel, and what they will do ?

WHO ELSE ARE AMONG US -- in the THE U.S. -- the Gentiles ? ? ?

3 Nephi 21:
12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles,
yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest,
as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who,if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

The sword of justices falls on the wicked Gentiles. He destroys the Gentiles; cities and chariots and executes vengeance and fury upon them.
He covers their land with a desolating sickness. A scourge consumes the wicked.
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power.
Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces.
Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities.
The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish."
That's kinda sad.

To have it all figured out.

Because you ran all the numbers.

And presumably asked the Lord.

And all of your calculations say that the Mexican invaders are the ones.

To curse the evil Gentiles.

Guess what.

You are wrong.

They are certainly a curse.

Mixed race nations are a mass of confusion.

And they don't breed true.

But.

You don't even know who the Gentiles really are.

Keep digging.

You'll get there.

Eventually.

Surprise!

Sir H

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Being There wrote: September 4th, 2022, 9:11 am
Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:16 pm
Atrasado wrote: September 1st, 2022, 5:05 pm
Fred wrote: September 1st, 2022, 10:02 am They don't come because they love freedom. the constitution. or to become Americans. They hate us. They came to get freebies, rape women, draw graffiti, and be parasites and divide us. They create a divide by not learning English. They have few if any skills. They are socialists and therefore satanic. When the welfare runs out, we will either kill them or they will kill us.

We owe them nothing. Zero. Zip. They are criminals the second they step on our soil.

It is American complacency. laziness, cowardice, and satanic comfort that allow it. I was in line at the Post Office behind a deputy sheriff when at the front of the line was an obvious criminal. He spoke no English, was holding up the line and wanted to get his mail. I asked the deputy "Why don't you arrest the obvious criminal?" She said that nobody cares. If we lock him up no one will come get him and we will have to feed him forever.

There are millions of those commie pricks here now. They contribute nothing.
I've known illegal immigrants and most of them would work any of us under the table.
God gave everyone talents. Some of us are smart. Some of us are laborers.

Of course there are good things a person might say about them. But criminally breaking into our country to hasten our bankruptcy and destruction is not one of them.
unfortunately Fred,
it's members like you - and all other proud Gentiles that will be swept off this "choice land" - of America,
because as a Gentile, you have forgotten - forgotten that this land of America is not yours (you're a tourist)
but given to The House of Israel, and YOU - do not have care for them
or care about the covenant the Lord has made with them.
The only thing you can say about them is bad.

THIS IS YOU FRED **********

don't you believe in theses scriptures ?
READ THEM !

Have we forgotten the covenant the Lord made with
The House of Israel ? YES ! but The Lord hasn't.
The Lord WILL remember it !
3 Nephi 16:11,12, 10
11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people,
O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles SHALL NOT have POWER over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.



D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;

29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.

30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness
shall cover the land.


"And upon my house shall it begin"
D&C 112:24-26
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.
(This blasphemy includes false doctrines.)

3 Nephi 21
12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

21 And I will execute vengeance and fury upon them, even as upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.


This is a comment I made to someone.

ya it's a ... a little hard to stop scripture from being fulfilled isn't it.

do you read The Book of Mormon ?

quote
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"These Gentiles have no charity for their fellow beings.
They don't thank the Jews nor Lehi's descendants for the scriptures they have received from them.

Instead, they curse and hate them and will not recover them.

The Lord lengthens out his arm to the Gentiles all the day long.
But they mar the Lord's servant who brings forth His words.
Their rejecting the Lord's servant and their rejecting the gospel doubly testifies of their apostasy; Nephi, therefore, offers no hope for the Gentiles unless they reconcile themselves to Christ.

Although the Gentiles know God's decrees on this land, many allow secret combinations to get above them. Drunken with iniquity and all manner of abominations, they suffer woes- God's covenant curse. When they reject his words, the Lord cuts them off from his people. He removes the fullness of his gospel from among the wicked, giving it to those who will receive it. With the wicked Gentiles' apostasy and its aftermath, the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The Lord turns the iniquities of the Gentiles upon their own heads. He comes out in justice against them. The wicked Gentiles bring down the fullness of God's wrath, just as the Jaredites and Nephites did. The Lord visits the Gentiles "with thunder and with earthquake, and with a great noise, and with storm, and with tempest, and with the flame of devouring fire". The sword of justices falls on the wicked Gentiles. He destroys the Gentiles; cities and chariots and executes vengeance and fury upon them.
He covers their land with a desolating sickness. A scourge consumes the wicked.
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power.
Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces.
Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities.
The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish."


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(taken from another post of mine)

actually, this "choice land" - where Zion will be built, has been given to the remnants of Jacob, and the House of Israel.
There will be very few Gentiles - members after the cleansing that will help the Lord's people and build Zion.
We (members - Gentiles) are only assistants to them- "shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob,"
to the remnant of Jacob and House of Israel;

3 Nephi 21 ("they" is us Gentiles)
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations in preparing the way whereby his people
may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.


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This "choice land" has been given to the remnants of Jacob, and the House of Israel.

3 Nephi 20

10 And it came to pass that when they had all given glory unto Jesus, he said unto them: Behold now I finish
the commandment which the Father hath commanded me concerning this people, who are a remnant of the house of Israel.

14 And the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you this land, for your inheritance.

15 And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people—

16 Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

17 Thy hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

18 And I will gather my people together as a man gathereth his sheaves into the floor.

19 For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it.

20 And it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that the sword of my justice shall hang over them at that day; and except they repent it shall fall upon them, saith the Father, yea, even upon all the nations of the Gentiles.

21 And it shall come to pass that I will establish my people, O house of Israel.

22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem.
And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.


It's interesting when the Lord says "my people" he means
"the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel"
and not us, the Gentiles (The church and it's members.)
Why isn't it the other way around - If we are favored and are
the Lord's chosen people.?
3 Nephi 21:23,24 and other scriptures above

3 Nephi 21
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations
in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.

3 Nephi 21:
12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles,
yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest,
as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who,if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

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why do the scriptures say " build up the waste places of Zion " ?
because America will be swept clean.

Isaiah 51:3 2 Nephi 8:3

3 For Jehovah is comforting Zion,
bringing solace to all her ruins;
he is making her wilderness like Eden,
her desert as the garden of Jehovah.
Joyful rejoicing takes place there,
thanksgiving with the voice of song.

"In the millennial age of peace that follows the mission of Jehovah’s servant, promised lands—a second chief covenant blessing after offspring—transform into a new Paradise (Isaiah 11:1-9; 55:4-13; 65:17-25). Ruins are rebuilt by Jehovah’s elect in Zion who receive inheritances of land (Isaiah 44:26; 58:11-12; 61:4). To those who heed the voice of Jehovah’s servant (Isaiah 28:23; 50:10; 58:1), whose righteousness resembles his righteousness (v 1), all attests to covenant curses—ruins, wilderness, and desert—joyously reversing into covenant blessings" (Isaiah 32:15-20; 35:1-2, 6-7; 58:12)."


D&C 103
11 But verily I say unto you, I have decreed that your brethren which have been scattered shall return to the lands of their inheritances, and shall build up the waste places of Zion.

D&C 101
17 Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.
18 They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion—

2 Nephi 15:17 Isaiah 5:17
17 Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.
“Jehovah will have compassion on Jacob and once again choose Israel; he will settle them in their own land, and proselytes will adhere to them and join the house of Jacob”

Isaiah 58:12
12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

"Jehovah’s returnees to Zion rebuild the ancient ruins under the direction of his servant: “Who fulfills the word of his servant, accomplishes the aims of his messengers, who says of Jerusalem, ‘It shall be reinhabited,’ and of the cities of Judah, ‘They shall be rebuilt, their ruins I will restore’” (Isaiah 44:26); “They will rebuild the ancient ruins, raise up the old waste places; they will renew the desolate cities demolished generations ago” (Isaiah 61:4); “Jehovah is comforting Zion, bringing solace to all her ruins; he is making her wilderness like Eden, her desert as the garden of Jehovah.” (Isaiah 51:3).

Isaiah 52:9
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

"A time of comfort and rejoicing arrives when Jehovah’s people who expiate their iniquities see covenant curses turn into blessings and their desolate circumstances transformed (Isaiah 40:1-2; 49:8-13; 51:3; 61:1-3). With the empowerment of Jehovah’s servant and his associates, a new day dawns for those who ascend to the Zion/Jerusalem level and levels higher. Jehovah “comforts” them in their distress when he “redeems” them—when he releases them from bondage and gathers them home in a new exodus to Zion" (vv 3, 11-12; Isaiah 35:9-10; 43:1-2; 48:20-21; 51:9-12; 54:5-8; 66:12-13).

Very few members will be left after the cleansing
and will be (allowed) to "assist" the remnants of Jacob,
and House of Israel who's land this has been given to;
" to build up the waste places of Zion— "
to be numbered with them; the House of Israel, to build up the New Jerusalem.

3 Nephi 21
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.
quote

"When the Lord lifts up his hand to the Gentiles, they serve as an "ensign/standard" to the house of Israel.
The house of Israel receives the Book of Mormon through the fullness of the Gentiles.
That involves, additionally, the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon.
"Other books" go forth from the righteous Gentiles to the house of Israel.
These books convince the house of Israel of the truthfulness of the gospel
and they are blessed again under the covenant.
The Lord softens many Gentiles' hearts toward Lehi's descendants.
Many care for the house of Israel and sorrow for their destruction and serve as fathers and mothers to them.
They minister the gospel's fullness to Lehi's descendants.
The Lord consecrates the Gentiles' riches to the poor of the house of Israel.
Thus are the natural branches grafted back into the olive tree.
When the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, the Jews again gather to Jerusalem.
The righteous Gentiles assist the house of Israel in gathering them from dispersion;
they carry the house of Israel to the lands fo their inheritance.
They assist Lehi's descendants to gather to the New Jerusalem.
They help Lehi's descendants build the city. The Lord's promises are great to the Gentiles.
The Lord blesses the righteous Gentiles by numbering them with the house of Israel.
The Lord numbers many Gentiles with Lehi's descendants.
The Lord has promised this land to Lehi's descendants.
Like them, the righteous Gentiles are blessed on this land forever.
Like them, these Gentiles come down captive no more.
The righteous Gentiles also are the covenant people of the Lord."

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