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Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 14th, 2021, 7:38 pm
by kirtland r.m.
Mad scientists run amuck. Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern.
Imagine pigs with human hearts or mice whose brains have a spark of human intelligence. Scientists are cultivating a flock of such experimental creations, called chimeras, by injecting potent human cells into mice, rats, pigs and cows. They hope the new combinations might one day be used to grow human organs for transplants, study human illnesses or to test new drugs.
In the latest advance, researchers in the U.S. and China announced earlier this month that they made embryos that combined human and monkey cells for the first time. So far, these human-monkey chimeras (pronounced ky-meer-uhs) are no more than bundles of budding cells in a lab dish, but the implications are far-reaching, ethics experts say. The use of primates so closely related to humans raises concerns about unintended consequences, animal welfare and the moral status of hybrid embryos, even if the scientific value of the work may be quite high.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/creation-o ... od=ff_0521
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 14th, 2021, 7:47 pm
by JuneBug12000
I've considered the posibility for some time that pigs are actually already human animal chimeras created before the flood.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 15th, 2021, 12:44 am
by abijah`
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:47 pm
I've considered the posibility for some time that pigs are actually already human animal chimeras created before the flood.
Me too. Especially considering how the evil spirits of the NT are nephilim spirits. "We are Legion", we are warriors, gibborim,
"mighty men".
And why when the pigs get possessed they
drown themselves in the waters.
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Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 15th, 2021, 3:49 am
by inho
If you want to read about someone who really was a mad scientist, read about Ilya Ivanovich:
The Russian Scientist Who Tried To Create A Human-Chimp Hybrid (In The Worst Way Possible)
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 17th, 2021, 3:40 pm
by Silver Pie
Not about chimeras, as these were human clones, but a fictional movie about clones on an island who think they are the real people, but they were created for body parts. Quite a disturbing movie. I would not watch it again.
The Island
kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:38 pm
Mad scientists run amuck. Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern.
Imagine pigs with human hearts or mice whose brains have a spark of human intelligence. Scientists are cultivating a flock of such experimental creations, called chimeras, by injecting potent human cells into mice, rats, pigs and cows. They hope the new combinations might one day be used to grow human organs for transplants, study human illnesses or to test new drugs.
In the latest advance, researchers in the U.S. and China announced earlier this month that they made embryos that combined human and monkey cells for the first time. So far, these human-monkey chimeras (pronounced ky-meer-uhs) are no more than bundles of budding cells in a lab dish, but the implications are far-reaching, ethics experts say. The use of primates so closely related to humans raises concerns about unintended consequences, animal welfare and the moral status of hybrid embryos, even if the scientific value of the work may be quite high.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/creation-o ... od=ff_0521
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 17th, 2021, 3:44 pm
by Silver Pie
kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:38 pmThe use of primates so closely related to humans raises concerns about unintended consequences, animal welfare and the moral status of hybrid embryos, even if the scientific value of the work may be quite high.
I always wondered how the apes became intelligent (and could talk) in Planet of the Apes.
Wow!
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 17th, 2021, 3:53 pm
by JuneBug12000
abijah` wrote: ↑August 15th, 2021, 12:44 am
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:47 pm
I've considered the posibility for some time that pigs are actually already human animal chimeras created before the flood.
Me too. Especially considering how the evil spirits of the NT are nephilim spirits. "We are Legion", we are warriors, gibborim,
"mighty men".
And why when the pigs get possessed they
drown themselves in the waters.
oink oink
A couple more points on pigs: more than one religion doesn't eat them by commandment. Pigs are intelligent and can be used to make insulin for humans. They are also used to create human body parts. Last and the worst, I think it is Treasure Island where they confirm that pigs and people taste the same.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 17th, 2021, 3:59 pm
by Silver Pie
Six days after the monkey embryos had been created at the State Key Laboratory of Primate Biomedical Research in Kunming, researchers injected each one with 25 human stem cells labeled with a fluorescent red protein.
“We put them together in a petri dish in the laboratory, to see how they interact with one another,” says Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, director of the Salk gene expression laboratory, who led the research effort. The next day, the monkey embryos glowed. Human cells had become integrated into all of them, far more effectively than in previous experiments with embryos from other species such as pigs, they reported on April 15 in Cell.
So far, these human-monkey chimeras can’t survive longer than 19 days. “It’s never been our intention and never will be to create a living chimera in a monkey host,” says Dr. Izpisua Belmonte.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 17th, 2021, 4:01 pm
by Silver Pie
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 17th, 2021, 3:53 pm Last and the worst, I think it is Treasure Island where they confirm that pigs and people taste the same.
I do remember hearing that South Sea islanders called humans "long pigs" when cannibalism was common there.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: August 17th, 2021, 4:04 pm
by Silver Pie
A couple of quotes:
He started off slowly, creating a zedonk (from a zebra and a donkey), a rat-mouse (self-explanatory), a guinea pig-mouse, and some abomination made from an antelope and a cow.
He arrived at the facility to do what he did best: transferring semen from one animal to another. In 1926, he and Serge Voronoff transplanted a human ovary into a chimp, before attempting to inseminate her with human sperm. He attempted this two more times without success.
You might have hoped at this juncture he'd admit defeat, but instead Ivanov pitched an alternative (and considerably more horrific) approach: to take sperm from chimpanzees and implant it into African women without their knowledge or consent. The plan was to pretend that the insemination of a chimpanzee was merely a medical examination, letting them find out months afterwards when they gave birth to an exceptionally hairy and suspiciously good at climbing baby. Thankfully, the French governor said no to the idea, and he traveled to Abkhazia, with 20 apes in tow.
He still wasn't done. One way or another, he intended to get himself a hairy humanzee, so he began recruiting Soviet women who were willing to do their half for science. Amazingly (again) - and it really would be amazing to see how this guy pitched, humanity clearly lost a great ad man to unhinged ape experiments - he was able to convince people to go along with it.
Five women or more volunteered for his experiment. Un/fortunately, no apes survived long at the ape nursery and, though he had women, he found himself out of sperm. Before he could ship in more, the Soviet Academy of Sciences heard about his plans to inseminate women in Africa without consent, and all support for the project was taken away on the grounds that it "[M]ight undermine the trust of Africans in European researchers and doctors and make problematic any further expeditions of Russian scientists to Africa".
Before he found a new way to carry on his work, he was exiled in an unrelated purge of scientists by the government and died soon afterwards, completely monkey-manless.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 11th, 2021, 4:09 pm
by britjas
I wonder if the female gorilla who tried to egg Larry Elder was one of those human-monkey hybrids? LOL
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 17th, 2021, 2:58 am
by Niemand
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:47 pm
I've considered the posibility for some time that pigs are actually already human animal chimeras created before the flood.
The human body (as opposed to the soul) is like an ape trying to turn into a pig.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 17th, 2021, 3:00 am
by Niemand
abijah` wrote: ↑August 15th, 2021, 12:44 am
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:47 pm
I've considered the posibility for some time that pigs are actually already human animal chimeras created before the flood.
Me too. Especially considering how the evil spirits of the NT are nephilim spirits. "We are Legion", we are warriors, gibborim,
"mighty men".
And why when the pigs get possessed they
drown themselves in the waters.
oink oink
Remember when the prodigal son reaches his low point, he eats pig's food and works with them. Not good in Jewish terms.
I eat pig meat, but I must admit they are creatures which simultaneously endear and revolt me.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 17th, 2021, 3:11 am
by Say what?
Have you watch the story on youtube about Dr. Mary’s monkey? In Louisiana she discovered that in the lab they were were creating ways to develop fast cancers. Her arm was electrocuted and then she has taken back to her apartment where a staged murder took place. They had to take her out to hide the investigation in the lab to keep the secrecy of their work.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 17th, 2021, 9:50 pm
by abijah`
Niemand wrote: ↑September 17th, 2021, 3:00 am
Remember when the prodigal son reaches his low point, he eats pig's food and works with them. Not good in Jewish terms.
I eat pig meat, but I must admit they are creatures which simultaneously endear and revolt me.
There used to be a poster here Fiannan who posited the theory that pigs are the result of pre-Flood genetic engineering, given how similar they are to humans in respect to DNA.
I do indeed think Jesus is speaking to a larger theological point in specifying how the prodigal son ate with the pigs.
It would certainly fit. Satan's methods have a way of hinging on the inappropriate
melding between man and beast.
Because that's how the scriptures portray a fallen human - as
becoming like an animal:
Daniel 4
Let his mind be changed from a man’s, and
let a beast’s mind be given to him; and let seven periods of time pass over him.
Michael Heiser
suggests that the entire purpose of the Law (including pork eating) was God's response to and way of dealing with the aftermath of the forsworn watchers, which would be very interesting:
Gal 3
Why then the law? It was added because of
transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through
angels by an intermediary.
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 18th, 2021, 2:51 am
by Niemand
The usual explanation is that pigs are highly capable of passing on diseases and parasites to human hosts. That is certainly true, but yes, there is a weird closeness to humans.
I'll cut and paste this from elsewhere:
TWO KINDS OF SEED/TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS (Lev 19:19)
Jews know this verse well (as "shatnez"), Christians not so much and don't observe it. But it strikes me as relevant to genetic modification and cyborgs/human-machines.
I will break this one down, because it is a long verse. See also Deuteronomy 22:9.
Middle part -
"....You shall not let your animals breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed..." (NRSV),
"...Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed..." (KJV)
"...Do not crossbreed your livestock... " (CEB)
This is not something much observed by Christians. However, this does put me in mind of gene-splicing which is where genes from one species are put into another. While this can sound a great idea, what works in one species can produce unexpected results in another.
in 2010, Professor Derrick Rossi of Harvard University made glow-in-the-dark mice, with firefly genes. We have also seen tomatoes with genes from soil bacteria and viruses put into them. (See footnote)
Besides gene-splicing, this also resembles transhumanism with its idea of blending people with machines (two different lineages).
Re: Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern, ya think?
Posted: September 18th, 2021, 3:51 pm
by Peeps
kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑August 14th, 2021, 7:38 pm
Mad scientists run amuck. Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern.
Imagine pigs with human hearts or mice whose brains have a spark of human intelligence. Scientists are cultivating a flock of such experimental creations, called chimeras, by injecting potent human cells into mice, rats, pigs and cows. They hope the new combinations might one day be used to grow human organs for transplants, study human illnesses or to test new drugs.
In the latest advance, researchers in the U.S. and China announced earlier this month that they made embryos that combined human and monkey cells for the first time. So far, these human-monkey chimeras (pronounced ky-meer-uhs) are no more than bundles of budding cells in a lab dish, but the implications are far-reaching, ethics experts say. The use of primates so closely related to humans raises concerns about unintended consequences, animal welfare and the moral status of hybrid embryos, even if the scientific value of the work may be quite high.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/creation-o ... od=ff_0521
This reminded me of a childhood book I read a long ago called "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Fr ... ts_of_NIMH
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