LDS Freedom Forum

Not my prophet.

What are the chances this becomes a temple Recommend question?

I just replied to them to pray harder but without their biases. Echoed what is said above that cloth masks don't (cannot) work, and the vaccines aren't proven safe as they say as they are experimental and have been shown to be ineffective. I'll probably get called in to see the bishop soon??? This message with no substantiation and the Eyring video portend that they don't see COVID as it is, or they do and they expect us to play along.

Staying in the boat, hoping the ship rights itself, waiting for the Lord's guidance; but wearing my drysuit under my life jacket and busy blowing up my personal life boat while standing next to the guardrail.

This statement is on the top of the lds.org landing page, and it’s being reported that a mass email is going out containing this statement to every person that the church has an email for.

Good, because my husband, less than an hour ago (before I saw this) told me to quit showing him negative stuff from the church. Okay. He can just find out for himself. I am sure the bishop will make sure he knows.

How do you know when he is speaking for the Lord and when he his speaking as a man?

Heleman 7:4-5

4 And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men;
5 Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills


How is it that we have this very clear warning, but because our current government officials are dressed in suits and ties with a smile on their face, and not a leopard skin tunic like an old time gaddianton robber, we don't recognize the true evil and wickedness that drives their actions? Why would we go along with anything they're pushing, when deep down, it just doesn't feel right, it defies common sense, and it's contrary to so much evidence? How is it that we now have 1.5 years worth of evidence that masks do nothing to impact transmission levels, yet that exact behavior is being pushed as part of the fix? It's so discouraging to see this.

Trucker wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:31 pm How do you know when he is speaking for the Lord and when he his speaking as a man?

When he is speaking as a man, it's all UN slogans, taglines, and propaganda.

Chip wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:20 pm Cliff High believes this entire push will blow off in a few weeks.

https://usawatchdog.com/biden-desperate ... clif-high/

Just a few minutes in, but the first few minutes of this video is a must watch.

One of the main goals here is for us to quit these institutions. This was exactly what they wanted to happen with the Boy Scouts. Right now they are doing it to the military and Christian churches.

Here's the deep red pill: Church leadership wants the church to fall apart. They want us mad and to walk away. We can't let them allow that. We must come back and defeat them. These are not prophets, they are infiltrators, there to rip the church apart, not to build it.

It explains everything from canceling pageants to home teaching to home church. These changes have proven to be detrimental in every respect....just the way they want it.

They locked replies on their twitter announcement.

I got the email.

Get this though "... if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of ....government leaders." It is going a long way to suggest our government leaders (at least my governor, county exec, Biden, Fauci, et....) are wise and thoughtful.

BTW in Wa the governor said all healthcare workers needed the vax. My wife is opposed but may then loose her job thanks to our wise and thoughtful government leaders.

I responded to that email. I said their statement is false and to contact the drug companies website. They said an agent would contact me shortly.

HeberC wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:39 pm I responded to that email. I said their statement is false and to contact the drug companies website. They said an agent would contact me shortly.

government agent, comrade?

Don't quit anything. Stay where you are and refuse the vaccine. This may blow over in a couple of weeks, before the vaccination deadlines.

Well I don't know what is worse for me today, prepping for my colonoscopy or hearing this news.

I am a Disciple of Christ. I know the voice of the Lord. I Hear Him.

I don't know what to do about church, but I do know how to listen and follow Him.

Edit:

I am so glad I prayed again two nights ago about this very thing. I told the Lord to please let me know if I have been deceived and if I and my family should get the shot or not. Now I am not being blown about. I feel so firm and grounded on the rock of Christ right now.

I had a dream of Jesus coming and comforting me and helping me after that prayer. The second in two months.

The first He confirmed I was His disciple and that He was helping me. We were walking up a hill together, just the two of us, though there were houses and people along the road we were walking. After at time He said he needed to go ahead to prepare something and told me to keep walking and He would be back soon to walk with me again.

I will keep walking and wait for His return.

I am heart-broken. I cannot handle the spiritual abuse. May the Lord protect us through His atoning sacrifice. We need His mercy.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:43 pm I am a Disciple of Christ. I know the voice of the Lord. I Hear Him.

I don't know what to do about church, but I do know how to listen and follow Him.

You and me both sistah! When you've heard His call there is no mistaking the Master or His call for anything else. I respond to Him and His spirit. I worship and serve Him, and Him alone.

Ignore them. Go to church maskless even if they require them. If you are inactive, return to church maskless to protest.

No need to be rude or combative. Go with a smile, make them tell you to leave face to face. This is the very LAST thing they want.

This makes certain decisions much easier.

Cognitive dissonance levels just went up for many Church members.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:50 pm Ignore them. Go to church maskless even if they require them. If you are inactive, return to church maskless to protest.

No need to be rude or combative. Go with a smile, make them tell you to leave face to face. This is the very LAST thing they want.

It would actually be against the commandment of Jesus Christ Himself.

I can't get the online scriptures to work right now, but Christ told the Nephites at his visit (3 Nephi) not to kick anyone out of the meetings they held, even if they didn't allow them to take the sacrament.

Edit to add scripture reference:

3 Nephi 18
22 And behold, ye shall ameet together oft; and ye shall not forbid any man from coming unto you when ye shall meet together, but suffer them that they may come unto you and forbid them not;

23 But ye shall apray for them, and shall not cast them out; and if it so be that they come unto you oft ye shall pray for them unto the Father, in my name.

24 Therefore, hold up your alight that it may shine unto the world. Behold I am the blight which ye shall hold up—that which ye have seen me do. Behold ye see that I have prayed unto the Father, and ye all have witnessed.

25 And ye see that I have commanded that anone of you should go away, but rather have commanded that ye should come unto me, that ye might bfeel and see; even so shall ye do unto the world; and whosoever breaketh this commandment suffereth himself to be led into temptation.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:50 pm Ignore them. Go to church maskless even if they require them. If you are inactive, return to church maskless to protest.

No need to be rude or combative. Go with a smile, make them tell you to leave face to face. This is the very LAST thing they want.

Where I live, if you go to Church services, you won't even be let in the building if you don't have a mask on. They also check your temperature at the door and if you are 37.5C or above you will not be let in.

Now that we are on an orange alert, Church services have been suspended.

For those of you still contemplating their prophetic ability and good intentions...

Welp.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:54 pm

TrueFaith wrote: ↑August 12th, 2021, 1:50 pm Ignore them. Go to church maskless even if they require them. If you are inactive, return to church maskless to protest.

No need to be rude or combative. Go with a smile, make them tell you to leave face to face. This is the very LAST thing they want.

It would actually be against the commandment of Jesus Christ Himself.

I can't get the online scriptures to work right now, but Christ told the Nephites at his visit (3 Nephi) not to kick anyone out of the meetings they held, even if they didn't allow them to take the sacrament.

My personal revelation has been to go, maskless and vax-less, until I'm cast out.

the facebook comment section is a flat our brawl. members at each others throats or singing praise

my responce on facebook:

we are not at war with a virus. You cannot be at war with a virus. You can cope, and adapt to a virus. But it is not a war. So stop speaking that way.

Let me explain why this kind of rhetoric is stupid and possibly dangerous.

We have been shutting down economies. Not ramping them up to meet a challenge.
we have been isolating people, not banding them together to join forces in the cause.
In the church itself there has been breeding contention between individuals who question the common state narrative and church leadership.

Church members have mask shamed people who criticize the narrative. The churches use of common coronavirus talking points has actually lead to greater contention inside the church itself.

Once the church that would’ve told people to “study the facts out and make their own choices”, quickly became a church that told members what to do and then imbued their timely commentary with religious tones.

The effect of this has been to instill one group of members of the church with a sense of unearned righteousness and the others as sense of questioning the leadership.

All this at a time where the church messages is unity and brotherhood...oh by the way put your mask on or else you are technically violating counsel

The church leader ship might as well ask people to wear cleansing crystals and burn incense. Both of those methods will be equally effective as masks... but, that might be seen as occult sounding.

They use the meaningless term “good global citizens”. When there is no such thing as a global citizen. You are a member of a family and a community and a state. But you are not a global citizen.

Therefore the concern of each member of the church needs to be with the activities and issues that impact their families and communities first and foremost.

And if the individual members feel governments in their local areas is taking actions which are rightly deemed to be unconstitutional or violation of personal liberty and they are involved in civic actions to questions take state authority...the church should have no comment about those members of the church standing up for their rights. Especially in states where the courts have found that the government leaders violated rights and constitution

( like here in Kentucky where the governor violated state law and then just recently defied the state courts to issue mask mandates).

Why should The Saints support and follow government leaders, when those government leaders have proven that they do not respect the rule of law?

Since when did our worship of safety and peoples feelings trump some core issues that the prophets of the church championed for more than a century?

In these cases, the Saints have a right and responsibility to stand up for the rule of law...To not do so would be in blatant contradiction of the council of previous prophets.

Here is the biggest problem with Calling this a war. War time rhetoric and especially war Powers are used to silence opposition.

Remember the “You’re either with us or against us” rhetoric of the Bush years?
Or FDR seeking to silence critics by discouraging newspapers and universities from publishing anything critical of involvement in the war?

So if you want to be blacklisted for expressing an opinion contrary to the governmental narrative, a wartime rhetoric is precisely the right thing.

Military-style mobilization language tends to render public opposition to governments almost impossible. In a state of war, the perception of an immediate outside threat transforms the civic virtue of skepticism into untimely dissidence.

Precisely at the time when critics are needed most, like now when there are deep and profound questions about the use of government authority, tolerance for their questioning of authority is diminished.

Once criticism is labeled as “anti” safety or a threat to heath it’s a slippery slope toward authoritarianism.

We see this now with anyone critical of the Covid response, even in the church it is discouraged!! So the church that was once the subject of vast state persecution is now enabling a system that perpetuates it?

we once had prophets with strident invoices for freedom and now we have church leaders that want to show the government how compliant we can be.

While other churches were standing up for their rights to gather as a congregation, while the governor of Kentucky was sending the state police to churches to take peoples personal information and force them into quarantine for violating the state mandate (which was recognized to be a blatant violation of the Bill of Rights) the LDS church went along with it.

“look, we’re good global citizens. Never mind the fact that the states are violating their own Constitution and laws to enforce these restrictions, go along with it. If your business is destroyed be a good cheer, here is a platitude speech spoken in hushed and reverent tones”

Other Christians were standing up for their rights, this church told its members to conform.
And then wrapped their language in religious tones to manipulate anyone who contradicted their stance.

I live in a state where our governor violated the rights of its citizens. Where one out of every four small businesses was destroyed at the hand of government officials and thousands were forced onto welfare where they never received assistance... and the church tells me to be compliant?

And my intelligence is routinely insulted by the manipulative and platitude filled rhetoric of church leaders in response to coronavirus.