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The kids? Really the children?


These shots will kill and damage kids. The disease has killed practically zero kids.

So Iam scared. Either the F15 wants to harm kids or they know of something far more terrible that is coming. I am terrified.

Wish I had spiritual guidance. I am in the worst possible possition...that is a place of indecision.

Remember as I previously shared 120 kids will die for every 1 that MIGHT be saved (even if the figure, as he said, is off by a factor of 10 or 100 it is STILL far too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!):

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@BuffaloGirl faucci does a lot more in the way of strange facial twitches, blinks and more at other points during the video. His body language in every way (arms and more) speak volumes.

94 children out of 1,900,000 who caught Covid have died in the USA. That is 1 out of 20,000.

mRNA injection death rates for children yet to be determined.

Read this obnoxious letter from a Catholic leader. He's more or less commanding people to get vaxxed. At the end, he resorts to the same sophistries that our leaders have used.

Father Newman is a capital "T" Tool.

For those unfamiliar with Urban Dictionary:
TOOL > 1.) A guy with a hugely over-inflated ego, who in an attempt to get un-due attention for himself, will act like a @#!!$#!%, because, in his deluded state, he will think it's going to make him look cool, or make others want to be like him. The person may even insincerely apologize later on, but only in an attempt to get more attention, or to excuse his blatantly intentional, and unrepentantly tool-ish behavior.

Texas father lost his 16 year old son bears his testimony against the evil authorities, church leaders and anyone that thinks the "vaccines" are ok:

MY GOVERNMENT LIED TO ME... QUIT PUSHING THIS ON OUR CHILDREN!... IT WASN'T WORTH THE RISK.

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1455743667927502853

jreuben wrote: ↑November 4th, 2021, 9:33 am Texas father lost his 16 year old son bears his testimony against the evil authorities, church leaders and anyone that thinks the "vaccines" are ok:

MY GOVERNMENT LIED TO ME... QUIT PUSHING THIS ON OUR CHILDREN!... IT WASN'T WORTH THE RISK.

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1455743667927502853

People like us and many doctors, heads of the field, warned them over and over and over again. They didn't listen.

Imagine being the kind of person who believes the government has your best interest by jabbing an untested needle in your arm or your child's arm. I can't imagine being someone that dumb.

Do I have sympathy for him? About as much sympathy for a father who encouraged his son to go drunk driving...

The sympathy point is a curious one. I agree in the sentiment about stupidity, but we most certainly have been able to discern these things from our perspective of the gospel. Every saint is or at least should be a "conspiracy theorist" by modern definition. It is a point of revelation, obedience and simple education for us and if you're not then you really are not an actual follower of Christ. It has been repeatedly manifest that the governments at large and of the world are simply evil and never have our best interest in any decisions they make. It was true 8,000+ years ago, 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 200 years ago and it is true now.

I will say though on this point of sympathy: the Savior has set a precedent and example that even those who lack faith and are ignorant can still call upon the priesthood for blessings and healing as long as faith is manifest at the time of request. I have to also believe sympathy may be similar and I do feel bad for this dad. I feel bad for him in many ways and he will never forgive himself and may himself die an early death from the strain of his decisions (if the vaxxxxx doesn't kill him first).

Authorities show again that no one should get "vaccinations": Groundbreaking Israeli Study Shows How COVID Proteins Attack The Heart And Blood Vessels

We see a very high incidence of vascular disease and blood clotting, for example, stroke and heart attack among COVID patients...

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/groundbreaking-israeli-study-shows-how-covid-proteins-attack-heart-and-blood-vessels

I absolutely have sympathy for those who have lost a loved one to the shot, or who experienced serious side effects (themselves or their loved ones). I think if we shout Stupid! and are unkind, God just might point to our own stupidity when we stand before him in judgement, and gently point out that we don't meet the requirements because we are judged how we judged others. Sorry. That's the way it is. Slam.

And if we don't think we are stupid in one way or another, we have a shock coming when we see what we really are and how we have really acted in our lives.

https://patriots.win/p/13zzoWmdAf/sen-r ... e-is-il/c/

@SilverPie indeed we are judged with the kind of judgements we ourselves meet out. We must, however, remember that it is a goal and commandment of life to learn to judge righteously. Too often Christian people generally misunderstand (understandably so by corrupt translation) that we are not to judge at all, but that is not at all the case.

And yes indeed, we are stupid, childish (in bad ways) and so ignorant of so incredibly much. We are all absolute fools and a fraction of eternity is not yet manifested to any of us really and if it has been, we likely will not share much of it due to its sacredness or unpreparedness of others en masse.

If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.

Attendees at any events on Temple Square are required to wear masks and be vaccinated if in the eligible age categories.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

Is this the first LDS vax mandate to attend an event? Not sure if there was a temple mandate?

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:39 am If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.

Attendees at any events on Temple Square are required to wear masks and be vaccinated if in the eligible age categories.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

Another big HAH to tall those who don't think the church will eventually mandate it for all.

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:39 am If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.

Attendees at any events on Temple Square are required to wear masks and be vaccinated if in the eligible age categories.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

Wow, just wow!! So the Church/First Presidency has set forth these "vaccination" mandates thus far -

* ALL people attending ANY events on Temple Square are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL members of the Tabernacle Choir are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL stake patriarchs and their wives (scribes) are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries entering any of the MTC's are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries going on foreign missions (regardless of the country they are going to) are required to be "vaccinated".

Have I missed any?

The Church/First Presidency has issued more "vaccine" mandates than even the Satanic, evil government. Just wow.

Any yet there are still some people on this forum that insist the Church isn't mandating "vaccines". Astonishing.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:54 am

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:39 am If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.

Attendees at any events on Temple Square are required to wear masks and be vaccinated if in the eligible age categories.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

Wow, just wow!! So the Church/First Presidency has set forth these "vaccination" mandates thus far -

* ALL people attending ANY events on Temple Square are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL members of the Tabernacle Choir are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL stake patriarchs and their wives (scribes) are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries entering any of the MTC's are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries going on foreign missions (regardless of the country they are going to) are required to be "vaccinated".

Have I missed any?

The Church/First Presidency has issued more "vaccine" mandates than even the Satanic, evil government. Just wow.

Any yet there are still some people on this forum that insist the Church isn't mandating "vaccines". Astonishing.

Patriarchs and their wives have to be jabbed? Where is that info? My dad is a patriarch, and he and my mom have gotten it, but I never knew it was required of them. Yikes

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 4:19 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:54 am

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:39 am If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.

Attendees at any events on Temple Square are required to wear masks and be vaccinated if in the eligible age categories.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

Wow, just wow!! So the Church/First Presidency has set forth these "vaccination" mandates thus far -

* ALL people attending ANY events on Temple Square are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL members of the Tabernacle Choir are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL stake patriarchs and their wives (scribes) are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries entering any of the MTC's are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries going on foreign missions (regardless of the country they are going to) are required to be "vaccinated".

Have I missed any?

The Church/First Presidency has issued more "vaccine" mandates than even the Satanic, evil government. Just wow.

Any yet there are still some people on this forum that insist the Church isn't mandating "vaccines". Astonishing.

Patriarchs and their wives have to be jabbed? Where is that info? My dad is a patriarch, and he and my mom have gotten it, but I never knew it was required of them. Yikes

We talked about this quite a bit on another thread - not sure which one - was awhile ago. But yes, my best friend is the wife of our stake patriarch - and she informed me she and her husband had to be fully vaxxed before he could resume giving blessings (and she, to act as his scribe). I expressed astonishment, and she assured me it came from the president of the church, via our Area Authority, and that all patriarchs and their wives had to be vaxxed or be released from their calling. Serragon and a few others gave 2nd, 3rd witnesses that this is true.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 4:24 pm

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 4:19 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:54 am

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:39 am If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.



https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

Wow, just wow!! So the Church/First Presidency has set forth these "vaccination" mandates thus far -

* ALL people attending ANY events on Temple Square are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL members of the Tabernacle Choir are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL stake patriarchs and their wives (scribes) are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries entering any of the MTC's are required to be "vaccinated".
* ALL missionaries going on foreign missions (regardless of the country they are going to) are required to be "vaccinated".

Have I missed any?

The Church/First Presidency has issued more "vaccine" mandates than even the Satanic, evil government. Just wow.

Any yet there are still some people on this forum that insist the Church isn't mandating "vaccines". Astonishing.

Patriarchs and their wives have to be jabbed? Where is that info? My dad is a patriarch, and he and my mom have gotten it, but I never knew it was required of them. Yikes

We talked about this quite a bit on another thread - not sure which one - was awhile ago. But yes, my best friend is the wife of our stake patriarch - and she informed me she and her husband had to be fully vaxxed before he could resume giving blessings (and she, to act as his scribe). I expressed astonishment, and she assured me it came from the president of the church, via our Area Authority, and that all patriarchs and their wives had to be vaxxed or be released from their calling. Serragon and a few others gave 2nd, 3rd witnesses that this is true.

Wow! I will have to ask and report back.

jreuben wrote: ↑November 4th, 2021, 4:47 pm @SilverPie indeed we are judged with the kind of judgements we ourselves meet out. We must, however, remember that it is a goal and commandment of life to learn to judge righteously.

Yes. I have zero problem with judging the things we should judge. I just think it's dangerous to judge someone stupid or murderer or something else harsh for being ignorant of truth (buying into the shot propaganda; being so dumb that they don't make the connections between the jab and their serious reaction to it). If they wake up after seeing a loved one's death or after seeing a serious reaction, I think the waking up should be lauded, and the bad thing that happened should be treated with sympathy, not loathing or cruel words.

Too often Christian people generally misunderstand (understandably so by corrupt translation) that we are not to judge at all, but that is not at all the case.

And yes indeed, we are stupid, childish (in bad ways) and so ignorant of so incredibly much. We are all absolute fools and a fraction of eternity is not yet manifested to any of us really and if it has been, we likely will not share much of it due to its sacredness or unpreparedness of others en masse.

True and true.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 4:24 pm We talked about this quite a bit on another thread - not sure which one - was awhile ago. But yes, my best friend is the wife of our stake patriarch - and she informed me she and her husband had to be fully vaxxed before he could resume giving blessings (and she, to act as his scribe). I expressed astonishment, and she assured me it came from the president of the church, via our Area Authority, and that all patriarchs and their wives had to be vaxxed or be released from their calling. Serragon and a few others gave 2nd, 3rd witnesses that this is true.

I remember that thread, but I don't recall the name of it.

Sirius wrote: ↑November 5th, 2021, 11:39 am If you plan on going to see the lights at Temple Square, you'll be required to be vaccinated and masked.

Attendees at any events on Temple Square are required to wear masks and be vaccinated if in the eligible age categories.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... quare-2021

I know the Church's requirements for this and other activities is not buying and selling, but this vaccine passport keeps reminding me of this scripture (and it sure as heck fits in some states and some countries, though I understand a few countries are backing off, and some states are resisting):

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 13

So, if you're right-handed and are holding the V passport, the mark is in your right hand. Not sure about the forehead part. If you don't have a job, you don't have money to buy. If your business is closed down, you can't sell. If they won't let you into a store, you can't buy, either.

And "causing" is right. Manipulated, fear-mongered, guilt-tripped, chased down and jabbed, bribed, coerced, jailed, and so on. Getting religious leaders to help with forcing it on people is a big part of it, also.

Our only safety is God. We have to be on his side. We have to be humble, teachable, and we have to avoid anger and contention because the other end of that stick in this world is the violence and death that will wipe out societies (the Book of Mormon shows this clearly).

Hi Info Warrior. I appreciated thoughts in this post, ,,, but my reply here is on a light hearted note. The gif flic of pole vaulter , made me laugh. Put a smile on my face. i copied the gif and sent it to an associate, just for a laugh. It's funny when you realize he ended up right back where he started. lol.

one way or another, all this covid nonsense will end.
For me, a key factor to remember is the detail in D&C section 34, paraphrase; the second coming of the Lord , is coming relatively soon, BUT, BEFORE that day comes, the event will occur wherein 'the sun shall be darkened , and the moon shall be turned into blood, and great destructions will occur. The same event is mentioned in Joel chapter 2. Moroni even quoted this passage to young Joseph Smith (JS Hist) . In other words, a major cataclysmic event of destruction will precede the second coming. And from what the scriptures say , we can see that the following the destruction event, there will still be a number years, i guess and estimate , something like about 15 or 20 years, before the Lord returns.

i know, all this seems off topic, but. Look at it this way: all this current insanity, well, it helps to still enjoy life and laugh a bit,, further, the destruction event will certainly knock covid nonsense off the table.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑September 5th, 2021, 9:38 pm

tribrac wrote: ↑September 5th, 2021, 8:41 pm

TrueFaith wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2021, 12:49 pm And during the complete destruction of our civil liberties, our worldwide church is absolutely silent. Deafening silence. What the hell is the point of a church if not to speak out against this?

Maybe the church's point is to survive all this madness.

There are scriptural examples of the prophets being told to sit back and watch after the peeople have gone too far.

Except they're not sitting back and watching. They're actively engaged in this whole fiasco. Not just... "active". But pole vaulting into the Great and Spacious Building.

well at my zoom stake conference today the SP talked about sustaining the leaders. It was an ok talk, but then he got into his fight with masks (he hates them and thinks them evil). He said he prepared a letter to the stake saying "do as you please" but was trapped for 16 hour in a SA airport and the spirit told him to follow the prophet. He changed up his letter. He never said to wear one but said we should heed prophet's counsel. Now he's a SP and has to be seen as a leader I guess, but was worried about fighting the prophet's counsel in public.

This is were I told my wife I diverged from his POV. I don't see the FP mask stuff as prophetic or in any way prophetic counsel, just pleasing PR words masked as suggestion (I know many feel weak people will follow and it will be bad). I'm not debating masking here, but wanted to say that I disagreed with the SP because he feels the statements and counsel must be followed to be sanctified. He even said that he told his kids that he would dance on his head if the prophet counselled him to do so.

I think this is were I have the issue (not masks but Q15 statements). What the SP says may make sense if he said "thus saith the Lord" or he received a vision or something that is him formally speaking for the Lord, I would pray of course and decide for myself but if the prophet spoke that way, I'd get serious before ignoring it. But, when he speaks as a man, I wouldn't find it ever binding or Lord's counsel, sort of like my own father's counsel.

Anyway, left me again shaking my head and saying that I do believe there are people who will be blessed for following the spirit and those that will be blessed for following the prophet, but I feel the blessings for the latter group are not to the point of exaltation but merely to basic salvation. Again, concept of good, better and best. Good gets Terrestrial, better CK joint heirs and best exaltation within CK IMO.