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Authorities, asmorities - who cares if little authorities like the BRITISH GOVERNMENT say vaccines are horrible and should be avoided?
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-covid-vaccines-will-keep-you/comments
URGENT: Covid vaccines will keep you from acquiring full immunity EVEN IF YOU ARE INFECTED AND RECOVER
Don’t take it from me, I don’t even get to tweet anymore.

Take it from a little place I call the British government. Which admitted today, in its newest vaccine surveillance report, that:

“N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)

What’s this mean? Several things, all bad. We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated).

What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.

This means vaccinated people will be far more vulnerable to mutations in the spike protein EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND RECOVERED ONCE (or more than once, probably).

It also means the virus is likely to select for mutations that go in exactly that direction, because those will essentially give it an enormous vulnerable population to infect. And it probably is still more evidence the vaccines may interfere with the development of robust long-term immunity post-infection.



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White House Targets 28 Million US Children with Bioweapon Injections!!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-10-22- ... paign.html#

Please read article!

How is the First Presidency going to react to Gov wanting to put dangerous injections into our children?
Well, in their August comment they said....

"We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful
recommendations of medical experts and government leaders."

Well, these "medical experts and government leaders" are giving us shots that have hurt and killed a lot of people!
And now they want our children, and that will be more of the same, and I bet our Church leaders won't admit to that either!!

How can our Church Leaders not see the death and destruction?? Is Satan telling them to shut up???

So, despite the failure of our Church Leaders to identify what Satan is doing to us and our families, we must resist, we must expose Satan's plans......and things are not Well In Zion!!!

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moonwhim wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 3:27 pm White House Targets 28 Million US Children with Bioweapon Injections!!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-10-22- ... paign.html#

Please read article!

How is the First Presidency going to react to Gov wanting to put dangerous injections into our children?
Well, in their August comment they said....

"We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful
recommendations of medical experts and government leaders."

Well, these "medical experts and government leaders" are giving us shots that have hurt and killed a lot of people!
And now they want our children, and that will be more of the same, and I bet our Church leaders won't admit to that either!!

How can our Church Leaders not see the death and destruction?? Is Satan telling them to shut up???

So, despite the failure of our Church Leaders to identify what Satan is doing to us and our families, we must resist, we must expose Satan's plans......and things are not Well In Zion!!!
This is really frustrating if you believe they have good intentions...

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AUTHORITIES suspend Moderna shot INDEFINITELY in Sweden due to it killing people:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sweden-suspends-moderna-shot-indefinitely-after-vaxxed-patients-develop-crippling-heart

It is important to recognize that nearly EVERYTHING the church leaders are encouraging people to do today when it comes to medicine, food, science and even history is COMPLETELY contrary to the gospel of Christ and is completely contrary to true prophets' teachings. It is SO important to recognize how fallen the leadership is and how deep this apostasy runs!

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I will try to lay out below a miracle I feel my family received. I am stating it here as the last couple posts made me think about vaxes and immunity.

I will start with a question that I will propose an answer to by way of my interactions with the Lord, my wife and my illness. So, I wonder about immunity. I'm surely not vaxed, but what if a person who had COVID and obtains immunity gets the jab? Would the jab destroy the antibodies? or would the antibodies mute the vax? Or would the vax have no effect as the body already has the antibodies?

I ask as I have been pondering my personal situation. I have stated how the Lord commanded me not to vax unless it meant undue hardship, in which case I was to seek PH blessing against the vax (not Covid) and the Lord would bless me. Well, the urgency was my wife, who had to either vax or give up her health care job, which would really be a terrible blow to our family (I'm not concerned with the money aspects as they are trivial with her salary) and my wife's personal life and contribution to the low income and Spanish speaking people. Anyway, I blessed her and she got the shot. We both became ill with COVID, me within hours and her within a day or two. She didn't get very ill and I was deathly ill.

I am convinced that I was doing as the Lord commanded as the revelation was very sharp and clear and more powerful than many I have received. I first wondered about my experience as it evolved into a war with evil, at least in my weakened mind at the time. But, this last post makes me wonder about another aspect of my experience.

You see the Lord told me to do as he commanded and my family would be blessed and kept from the ills of this disease. My experience was strengthened because it happened within hours of the blessing (like I brought it on by following the Lord). I mean this is uncanny if it wasn't planned.

But, I haven't explored the benefit for my wife. If I believe the Lord that he would bless my family. If I believe the PH blessing I gave that my wife would be healthy and would for some time help the ill and needy with her strength. Then the timing is uncanny and unlikely by accident. It must have been a blessing from the Lord for both of us for her to somehow get COVID before the jab to get immunity in a small 36 window. And all would have been lost if she got the jab before the COVID infection. At least as I ponder it.

You see, I returned home from my son's in Utah on Wednesday Sept 1st in the evening. I must have gotten COVID from my brother on August 20th 13 days earlier in the few moments I saw him before he was diagnosed. That means a blessing here in the first place as if I was infected and didn't show for 13 days, that is highly unlikely as they say 4-5 is the norm (miracle 1) I have a compromised immune system due to 9 months of viral infection 15 years ago with CMV, no way I go 13 days then get ill. If I had symptoms I would have not flown home on schedule (miracle 2) and would not have been here to either bless my wife or infect her prior to the jab as she had scheduled in earlier in the week and needed it to meet job continuity schedule. Next I came home and kissed her and she became infected immediately (miracle 3) as she was definitely ill by Monday (4 days later) and she has the strongest immune system of anyone I've ever known. She worked to stay away from me the first 48 hours, but still became infected on first contact.

So she gets COVID, 36 hours later the shot. She gets antibodies and I feel they will cleanse her of ill effects of the jab. All will be as the Lord promised me in the revelation and in her PH blessing. As opposed to the other way around, I was delayed, no blessing, no antibodies but the jab and it's direct consequences.....

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jreuben: please explain how deep does the apostacy run? while I disagree with vax mandates and masks and "proven and safe". I know between my family and more than a handful of friends they are still leading some of us to Christ every damned day.

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I don't know anything about The Church being in possible apostasy. Church protocol and policy regarding everything covid does seem confusing where I see it. I'm grateful The Lord has blessed us with a remote place to live and with the strength to bear up with the challenges we face in our particular moment of history.

The video below shows how an Amish community has faced the corona virus challenge with courage, compassion, industry, and without compromise.
Miracles are unique to individual situations and families. My only wish is that we - as a Church - were able to exemplify the same confidence in our professed religion as the people in this particular Christian community.

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 3:29 pm
moonwhim wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 3:27 pm White House Targets 28 Million US Children with Bioweapon Injections!!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-10-22- ... paign.html#

Please read article!

How is the First Presidency going to react to Gov wanting to put dangerous injections into our children?
Well, in their August comment they said....

"We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful
recommendations of medical experts and government leaders."

Well, these "medical experts and government leaders" are giving us shots that have hurt and killed a lot of people!
And now they want our children, and that will be more of the same, and I bet our Church leaders won't admit to that either!!

How can our Church Leaders not see the death and destruction?? Is Satan telling them to shut up???

So, despite the failure of our Church Leaders to identify what Satan is doing to us and our families, we must resist, we must expose Satan's plans......and things are not Well In Zion!!!
This is really frustrating if you believe they have good intentions...

They've been LOOKING FORWARD to it. Remember this coloring page for kids that was leaked back in March and published, despite members' protest, in June, in The Friend? It really makes my head want to explode that people DON'T GET IT. Many will die due to their STRONG DELUSION. The only question is, how do the leaders actually think about this? That's the only aspect of all this that is hard to discern. What in the world is up with THEM?
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Chip wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 6:03 pm They've been LOOKING FORWARD to it. Remember this coloring page for kids that was leaked back in March and published, despite protest, in June, in The Friend?
Yeah, I burned it. Thought it was fitting, sacrificing the paper that depicts kids being sacrificed.

/sarc??? 🤔

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@TheDuke this has been a very hard thing for me to come to understand over the past 20-30 years. It has been an evolution of understanding that has accelerated continually where the past decade or so really started to peal away the blinders and then the past five years have just continued to reveal things. So, to get to the point of your question: How deep does the apostasy run?

First of all your remark after your question is understandable and something I have had a lot of trouble with too over this time. We have always basically said that the church brings people to Christ and that must mean it is good based on the scriptures, right? Well, what about all of the other churches of the devil that are - in one way or another - bringing people to Christ? I have a lot of non-LDS friends who seem to love Christ and want to do what he wants even though they don't have the fullness of the gospel and they have queer beliefs (in other words, they say they believe in the bible, but they don't believe the deeper things in the bible that only we believe). Are those other churches bringing people to Christ?

I guess we can argue that they are in some ways and that they are preparatory. What about the church in the time following the giving of the greater law and Moses threw it away and went back up the mountain to get a preparatory law for the incredibly evil Israelites? Can we draw some parallels there with ourselves following what happened with brother Joseph and then following the greater fall circa 1890 and the utilization of the law of common consent to throw the Lord out of the church's governances?

Things really started to go down hill from there in a big way. I'm not saying they were perfect or even great before that. The saints had a horrible time learning to receive revelation and basically leadership gave up on the situation since people fall into forbidden paths so easily.

But look at some of the things that happened after 1890 and 1900 and especially on up into the 1920s. They (wrongly, not even using the law of common consent this time!) threw out 1/2 of Doctrine & Covenants due to spiritual darkness and fear ("The Lectures on Faith"). A lot of other doctrine and important things were thrown out over various times and it almost all seemed to invariably stem from fears and inability to explain certain doctrine. I know someone who has studied this area rather extensively and have been amazed at what has been explained to me. Basically it all evidences a dearth in revelation and an overriding motivation by fear to do things and make these changes. Remember: many good members of the church even up into the 1950s and maybe 60s understood that they should not refer to the president of the church as the prophet and it was condemned to do so. It seemed to be a somewhat solid understanding that something was not quite right, but the communists definitely started to take hold in the 1950s to 1960s and then it just went nuts and president Benson really tried hard to shine a little light on the situation - but it was too little too late by that time.

@TheDuke, don't get me wrong, I think a lot of people have been trying to do good, but I think they've been confused and deceived - not dissimilar to other churches. The problems were not easy to detect earlier on because everyone was in the same boat together and thought similarly, but now that there are growing and enormous dichotomies between factions and people generally we're now seeing this acceleration and evidence more clearly.

We are clearly far from the mark of where we should be today collectively as a church. The allopathic (specifically) medical industry should be clearly seen as evil by leadership just as it was in the 1800s - there is indisputable evidence of the tremendous evil of this that can be thrown out by the dump truck loads. People like Nelson and others who are in such an industry and who have been lawyers, judges and other such things have been in bed with and cooperative with the gadianton robbers aka communists aka babylonians aka luciferians aka etc.

I could go on and on with examples from personal lives to holistic church observations to societal observations, but the short answer is: DEEP.

The apostasy, I personally believe, started semi-innocently via president Woodruff's fear and concern with the threats on his life and efforts to hold out for an early Second Coming, but then when it happened satan and lucifer began to take the reigns pretty assertively, killed him before he could reverse the disaster he knew he introduced, and began to guide things such that they got to the point to eventually introduce full communist-rothschild infiltration via the Florida swamp fiasco.

I believe the priesthood has not been removed, similar to how it was still on the Earth in the time of Zacharias, John and Jesus - in a deep apostasy. Fortunately the Lord can give us keys as we need them and we can do things we need and sufficiently desire within our spheres of influence no matter how small OR great (including administering temple ordinances for our own localized families).

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TheDuke wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 4:05 pm jreuben: please explain how deep does the apostacy run? while I disagree with vax mandates and masks and "proven and safe". I know between my family and more than a handful of friends they are still leading some of us to Christ every damned day.
How can you say that? How can you say that they are leading us to Christ? Their words are leading people astray. Their words are distorting the words of Christ. They are encouraging abuse and even hiding sexual abuse of children. Their words are killing people because of the generations of brain washing.

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reluctant: what I am saying is simply facts. I KNOW numerous people that have a relationship with Christ and are on the path to salvation/exaltation coming to church with current teachings. It isn't disputable. I will not name names but there are at the very least 30 within my own family.

You ask how I say it............... with conviction. Not everyone in the church parses RMN's words with a jaundice eye or even with deep contemplation. Doesn't make him right or wrong but his words just don't influence many LDS people I know one way or the other. I guess that is part of having a testimony of Christ.

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I was TBM until a couple years ago. Taught from birth that the Q15 were men of God. My prayers were answered from time to time. Why wouldn't i believe the Q15 were men of God? I would have called you nuts if you suggested otherwise. I thought I knew it for sure.

They are a church after all. They do go through the motions. They do quote scripture. These all seem right.

But when you see the brainwashing and the blatant lies for what they truly are. There is not a chance in Hell that these people have a testimony. Like when I ordained my Grandsons to Teacher, their Bishop asked their Grandmother on their satanic step fathers side to bear her testimony. She didn't have one. Been going to church for 70 years and the church may as well have been a social club. There are a lot of members that don't have a testimony. They believe it because it is what they have been taught their whole life, but they are simply drones.

Many drones get called to pretend they have a testimony. The people that do have testimonies are often overlooked for not having enough money. So the evil pricks with no testimony become a Bishop and then Stake President. They do the typical ordinations, but you won't catch them healing anyone. They haven't the faith for it. Some of these drones get called to be an area 70. You know for a fact that all democrats are disciples of satan. No question whatsoever. Some republicans, too.

So just take a look at the Q15 and see how many true conservatives there are. You are an absolute liar if you say even a single one! If you think politics does not matter, you are stupid.

Now a couple of fairies will go cry to Brian. I have spoken the truth. It is not possible for a man who thinks government should steal from the productive to support the lazy to be a follower of Christ. The abortion issue is black and white. You don't kill babies. Ever! At least on on purpose. Uchtdorf can lie all he wants. He does not follow Christ or he would not be so darned evil. If he says that he does not finance abortions out of his personal finances, he is a liar. He was caught.

Telling people to follow the prophet is evil. Changing words in the Book of Mormon or trying to wiggle around what it says, in order to appease the social justice warriors or other satanists is evil. Staging a fake shot is evil. Following the WEF is evil. Voting for Biden is evil. Promoting the jab is evil.

There is nothing wrong with a church asking for donations to support a man teaching of Christ instead of a regular job. But when the church is one of the largest corporations in the world, one might think the money is more important than Jesus. And if it is, then it is 100% guaranteed the church of the devil.

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Thank you.

Due to my past vax injury 20 years ago, once the first Presidency came out with the statement, I fasted and prayed about getting the vax. And I felt like the Lord was saying to me that I would be stupid to get the vax — I know they are not good for me from painful firsthand experience. So I felt like the Lord was saying, “Don’t turn your back on what you already know to be true.”

Also, 3.5 months ago my family got COVID and my parents got it, too. Point is, we already had immunity, so it made ZERO sense for us to get the vax. I really feel like the first Presidency statement was not a commandment to me and my family — and that was confirmed by the Spirit.

Interestingly the statement came out— and the fasting and praying happened— *after* we got COVID, but *before* we knew it was COVID that we were sick with. (Only recently did we get the antibody tests that showed natural immunity).

My parents and all of us (My wife and kids) did get sick from COVID, but none were hospitalized nor suffered death.

TheDuke wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 4:02 pm I will try to lay out below a miracle I feel my family received. I am stating it here as the last couple posts made me think about vaxes and immunity.

I will start with a question that I will propose an answer to by way of my interactions with the Lord, my wife and my illness. So, I wonder about immunity. I'm surely not vaxed, but what if a person who had COVID and obtains immunity gets the jab? Would the jab destroy the antibodies? or would the antibodies mute the vax? Or would the vax have no effect as the body already has the antibodies?

I ask as I have been pondering my personal situation. I have stated how the Lord commanded me not to vax unless it meant undue hardship, in which case I was to seek PH blessing against the vax (not Covid) and the Lord would bless me. Well, the urgency was my wife, who had to either vax or give up her health care job, which would really be a terrible blow to our family (I'm not concerned with the money aspects as they are trivial with her salary) and my wife's personal life and contribution to the low income and Spanish speaking people. Anyway, I blessed her and she got the shot. We both became ill with COVID, me within hours and her within a day or two. She didn't get very ill and I was deathly ill.

I am convinced that I was doing as the Lord commanded as the revelation was very sharp and clear and more powerful than many I have received. I first wondered about my experience as it evolved into a war with evil, at least in my weakened mind at the time. But, this last post makes me wonder about another aspect of my experience.

You see the Lord told me to do as he commanded and my family would be blessed and kept from the ills of this disease. My experience was strengthened because it happened within hours of the blessing (like I brought it on by following the Lord). I mean this is uncanny if it wasn't planned.

But, I haven't explored the benefit for my wife. If I believe the Lord that he would bless my family. If I believe the PH blessing I gave that my wife would be healthy and would for some time help the ill and needy with her strength. Then the timing is uncanny and unlikely by accident. It must have been a blessing from the Lord for both of us for her to somehow get COVID before the jab to get immunity in a small 36 window. And all would have been lost if she got the jab before the COVID infection. At least as I ponder it.

You see, I returned home from my son's in Utah on Wednesday Sept 1st in the evening. I must have gotten COVID from my brother on August 20th 13 days earlier in the few moments I saw him before he was diagnosed. That means a blessing here in the first place as if I was infected and didn't show for 13 days, that is highly unlikely as they say 4-5 is the norm (miracle 1) I have a compromised immune system due to 9 months of viral infection 15 years ago with CMV, no way I go 13 days then get ill. If I had symptoms I would have not flown home on schedule (miracle 2) and would not have been here to either bless my wife or infect her prior to the jab as she had scheduled in earlier in the week and needed it to meet job continuity schedule. Next I came home and kissed her and she became infected immediately (miracle 3) as she was definitely ill by Monday (4 days later) and she has the strongest immune system of anyone I've ever known. She worked to stay away from me the first 48 hours, but still became infected on first contact.

So she gets COVID, 36 hours later the shot. She gets antibodies and I feel they will cleanse her of ill effects of the jab. All will be as the Lord promised me in the revelation and in her PH blessing. As opposed to the other way around, I was delayed, no blessing, no antibodies but the jab and it's direct consequences.....

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TheDuke wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 10:17 pm reluctant: what I am saying is simply facts. I KNOW numerous people that have a relationship with Christ and are on the path to salvation/exaltation coming to church with current teachings. It isn't disputable. I will not name names but there are at the very least 30 within my own family.

You ask how I say it............... with conviction. Not everyone in the church parses RMN's words with a jaundice eye or even with deep contemplation. Doesn't make him right or wrong but his words just don't influence many LDS people I know one way or the other. I guess that is part of having a testimony of Christ.
I know Baptists and folks of other denominations that are also on the path to exaltation. It has little to do with the church they are in and more to do with their personal relationship with Christ and their stalwart efforts at living His gospel. ❤

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TheDuke wrote: October 23rd, 2021, 10:17 pm reluctant: what I am saying is simply facts. I KNOW numerous people that have a relationship with Christ and are on the path to salvation/exaltation coming to church with current teachings. It isn't disputable. I will not name names but there are at the very least 30 within my own family.

You ask how I say it............... with conviction. Not everyone in the church parses RMN's words with a jaundice eye or even with deep contemplation. Doesn't make him right or wrong but his words just don't influence many LDS people I know one way or the other. I guess that is part of having a testimony of Christ.
If the LDS church is their stepping stone, then wonderful. I believe it will not be for many people as we move forward due to the crumbling facade.

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tribrac wrote: October 21st, 2021, 10:54 am Clearly a war is being waged on humanity by the few rich. They say.."You will think like us, and acknowledge our superiority, and in exchange we will allow you privileges that we choose".

The Fab-15 are all from the upper class. So are they trying to save me or enslave me?

If any of you figure it out please let me know.
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In response to questions above, all churches are preparatory (except devil) and lead to Christ. As I have said numerous times we must begin looking at the mortal probation as "all preparatory". I"M NOT TBM, haven't been since before many on this forum were born.

On another thread I stated all churches that profess Christ are preparatory (at least not of the devil). No church as full truth, in fact no full truths are known in this sphere or could be understood with our limited minds. So, in essence all truth is at least partially wrong. This is hard for me as I am the most right-brained (no left brain at all) person you'd ever meet. I'm an extreme engineer and scientist (highly regarded), yet the worst at everything else, just terrible. So, grasping the grayness of truths and the teachings hits me right in the face as I comprehend things black-and-white by nature.

Sure, as I have states so many times (as it is so clear when you get to see the true plan of progression) everyone, every church brings people closer to what the need, most toward Christ. Given MMP I don't see a need for everyone on the planet ever born to end up at the same goal at the same time (end of millennium), so partial progress is acceptable and beautiful. Even the LDS church and I will say even the Church of Christ in the millennium will be short of truths (millennium will bind Satan but still be with Telestial people with telestial brains but no SoP and no evil people, but still just people). So, what? I've also asked to look at Jesus' church immediately after his death, see how fractured it was. Teaching Greeks to become Jews before becoming Christians, getting circumcised before baptized, etc... took many years to get basic agreement. Just shows there is always some form of apostacy from the get-go. That and even Jesus taught in parables, his true was hidden (mysteries at the time).

Now you expect perfection or the leaders are evil. Never has been. Never will be until we return to god, likely CK not even Terrestrial world or Millennial one will have perfect leaders. Besides most are after salvation not exaltation. In fact, until fullness of times, exaltation hasn't even been mentioned. There is no acceptable way for leaders to teach mysteries to the masses. Like Jesus and parables they throw out vagueness and make the elect sort the truth through the HG.

I guess I'm lucky, the Lord came to me for the first time as I recall powerfully with an important revelation in my 20's. I wanted a goal and finally he came to me in the desert of NM. Well, it didn't work out as promised. Well that really isn't true as actually everything the Lord promised did work out. But it really sent me soul searching about my understanding of God. Actually, I began to see that what he said and what I understood slightly technically different. The miracle I asked for was clearly received. It was clear the miracle was received as held it in my hand. But, the outcome I had prayed for was destroyed and I was left injured for the rest of my life. It made my life what is has become, where I live, my friends, my children's partners, on and on and on. But, I felt betrayed. Needless to say it started me on a path some 40 years ago that took me down the rabbit hole. For some time I was quite disenchanted with LDS. I stayed in the boat due to my family being young. I have NEVER been TBM since. I arrived in this home at 30 yo and have been considered quite non-traditional (free spirit) at church as long as they have known me.

So, I guess I've never marched to the LDS leaders music and have had 40 years to comprehend the ways of the Lord in this sphere relative to his interactions and his church. The vax and masks frustrates me like 100 or more other things. But, always the spirit attends me and tells me to stay in HIS church, always. I am personally near the Lord. I know him (them) very well. The church has brought me to a point that I know I have earned eternal life as god has told me so. I cannot speak for others, maybe many here (every where) don't know their standing before god, not my concern. But for me and my family the LDS church has brought us more than salvation but eternal life. I'd suggest it has been a long, hard bug successful path for me, everyone should try and obtain their more sure word on the subject however.

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In speaking to your remark about knowing the full truth: I highly disagree with this statement and I believe it is a point that has largely damned humanity and any/all religions. It all depends upon our desire to know, our willingness to work for it and our openness to the vastness of eternity and its possibilities. That's not some "new age" mumbo jumbo, but seems to be the attributes of each true prophet, seer and/or revelator that has been known to date. It seems that more than once they have made known to those to whom they reveal things that there is much more and that it is simply not able to be received. Why? REASONS.

Part of the reason we have reached an impasse as society is that "They" corrupted science over 100 years ago to the point where they have convinced everyone to not ask the right questions or to THINK "we" have all of the right foundational information from which to work. This has happened most readily visibly in physics and chemistry, but it has also very much happened in geology, biology (many people wake up to this due to personal health struggles and such), and in other areas. It has caused many an engineer to fall back onto the provided math vs developing their "left brain" as you say @TheDuke. It is a terribly horrible state and must be overcome for the Millennium.

It appears that a part of early church teachings and ancient church teachings includes the principle of re-incarnation. It appears, anciently and by those who understand it modernly, that this is a real hell and it was and is the goal of those enlightened to break out of this. It appears that the sealing process and priesthood facilitate this breakout from the hellish cycle of re-incarnation and why the Millennial work of sealing/temple will be so critical in fulfilling the purposes of Elohim and why lucifer works so hard to frustrate this.

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jreuben wrote: October 27th, 2021, 8:43 am Dr. Fleming examines vaccines under microscope:
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=61780 ... 173f85c2d9

Discussion:
https://greatawakening.win/p/13zzR9zRBN ... nes-und/c/
Very unlikely. No. Extremely unlikely that this happens.

When someone manufactures injectable liquids they are checked throughout the manufacturing, logistics, and distribution processes to ensure that there are no foreign substances or agents within the vials. Any detection of such materials will result in the vials being discarded.

This happens with EVERY injectable liquid.

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Subcomandante wrote: October 27th, 2021, 9:49 am
jreuben wrote: October 27th, 2021, 8:43 am Dr. Fleming examines vaccines under microscope:
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=61780 ... 173f85c2d9

Discussion:
https://greatawakening.win/p/13zzR9zRBN ... nes-und/c/
Very unlikely. No. Extremely unlikely that this happens.

When someone manufactures injectable liquids they are checked throughout the manufacturing, logistics, and distribution processes to ensure that there are no foreign substances or agents within the vials. Any detection of such materials will result in the vials being discarded.

This happens with EVERY injectable liquid.
Have you worked in manufacturing?

No matter how through the process, imperfections occur.

That's why there are Quality Control personnel.

And they still ship bad product...

Do you want to know why?

Because if the flaw costs too much to fix, they change the parameters.

Or ignore it.

Consider how many vehicle recalls there are.

You have a lot of faith in the arm of flesh.

I know better.

Wake up.

Sir H

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Subcomandante wrote: October 27th, 2021, 9:49 am
jreuben wrote: October 27th, 2021, 8:43 am Dr. Fleming examines vaccines under microscope:
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=61780 ... 173f85c2d9

Discussion:
https://greatawakening.win/p/13zzR9zRBN ... nes-und/c/
Very unlikely. No. Extremely unlikely that this happens.

When someone manufactures injectable liquids they are checked throughout the manufacturing, logistics, and distribution processes to ensure that there are no foreign substances or agents within the vials. Any detection of such materials will result in the vials being discarded.

This happens with EVERY injectable liquid.

Yes, indeed.

And when an election occurs, all the votes are counted and nobody is allowed to vote more than once.

And universities teach truth and enlighten students.

And all the laws are followed and applied equally to everyone.

And fiat money from a central bank is appropriate for society.

Please don't respond. You could get ahead of the brethren. Respect your station.

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@subcomo you must have been missing the Project Veritas videos and all of the other scientists talking about this stuff and how they're 100% demonstrably murdering people en masse? Keep drinking the Koolaid® budd-e-o.

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jreuben wrote: October 27th, 2021, 10:39 am @subcomo you must have been missing the Project Veritas videos and all of the other scientists talking about this stuff and how they're 100% demonstrably murdering people en masse? Keep drinking the Koolaid® budd-e-o.
Notice how these guys ALWAYS miss the real information? As they say, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

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