LDS Freedom Forum

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:45 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:39 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:30 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 3:50 pm I am trying to learn more about the LDS culture and church sermons and ministry. I'm not sure how I feel about some of family joining. I can't make heads or tales of what kind of organization they are because I've heard all sorts of crazy claims but also heard good things. Their talks I think are good and wholesome that I heard. But today alot is changing so I don't know.

If they anti-abortion I like that but just in name or truly are they? Do they teach CRT or no? I hate CRT but I don't want the younger ones in family to learn it if they go to LDS services. I did hear they did a good job on the Olympics but Romney character is a slippery one.

I wouldn’t dive into the culture much LOL.

But yes, they are becoming increasingly friendly to some of those ideas.

I see many truths taught in the church, but there are many falsehoods as well. The Spirit is necessary to discern.

Oh, i'd like to know about the culture. Does any one talk about the culture on this message board?

You mean the the holy ghost that was promised on day of Pentecost? Is that the spirit you mean? The proselytes told me yes. I believe the Christians but they all fight with each other. Do LDS fight? You are Christian but you're some type of different Christians.

We are Christians but we are different types of Christians than most people who associate themselves with that terminology.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has extra books of Scripture, namely, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, which NO OTHER CHRISTIAN groups accept as Scripture.

Our scriptures tell us we are NOT supposed to fight with others, though sometimes that does become inevitable when there are people who misrepresent what we believe, both outside and inside of the Church. The spirit spoken of by many here is the Holy Ghost that descended to the believers on Pentecost.

I assume by your name that you are Chinese. You guys have a proud history and there are many things within the Church which might surprise you...the work we do for our ancestors is pretty well known.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm Yes, I have read some books of your scriptures and I believe their could be truth in them but I don't know about the priests and leaders. There are truths in eastern and middle eastern philosophy and religions and your scriptures that are very similar b/c I studied some of them.

• Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost. (2 Nephi 28:31)

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm But I believe in christ as a true son of god. He was born to the holy virgin and ascended to the father in the highest heaven. Christianity is more of a hidden nature in China but believers are there. I think your books could be holy but the Catholics believe in the Bible and the holy prophets but they are pedophiles. The Christians churches here are all liars many times so they hide the truth and stab each one in the back.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:02 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm Yes, I have read some books of your scriptures and I believe their could be truth in them but I don't know about the priests and leaders. There are truths in eastern and middle eastern philosophy and religions and your scriptures that are very similar b/c I studied some of them.

Discard the men unless what they say is confirmed to you by the Spirit.

• Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost. (2 Nephi 28:31)

They don't really teach that, though.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm But I believe in christ as a true son of god. He was born to the holy virgin and ascended to the father in the highest heaven. Christianity is more of a hidden nature in China but believers are there. I think your books could be holy but the Catholics believe in the Bible and the holy prophets but they are pedophiles. The Christians churches here are all liars many times so they hide the truth and stab each one in the back.

The Bible and book of Mormon work together wonderfully. Christian churches here don't sound too far off lol

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:20 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:02 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm Yes, I have read some books of your scriptures and I believe their could be truth in them but I don't know about the priests and leaders. There are truths in eastern and middle eastern philosophy and religions and your scriptures that are very similar b/c I studied some of them.

Discard the men unless what they say is confirmed to you by the Spirit.

• Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost. (2 Nephi 28:31)

They don't really teach that, though.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm But I believe in christ as a true son of god. He was born to the holy virgin and ascended to the father in the highest heaven. Christianity is more of a hidden nature in China but believers are there. I think your books could be holy but the Catholics believe in the Bible and the holy prophets but they are pedophiles. The Christians churches here are all liars many times so they hide the truth and stab each one in the back.

The Bible and book of Mormon work together wonderfully. Christian churches here don't sound too far off lol

If this board believes in the LDS or not I can't tell maybe you are still figureing it out. Many seem to criticize and with all the lying in the American churches I understand this but others seem to like the LDS and maybe it is true they're good. The biggest problem is if there are things of a sex nature while hiding it in the church buildings, then we refuse to take part in that. We believe that that is an evil spirit going about trying to capture the soul. We only believe in pure ceremonies. We don't practice like the Jehovah's Witness or Catholics in their ceremonies.

Yes I don't understand the book of mormons but smith was a young holy man maybe b/c of what they told me about him unless they are liars. I read in the doctrines and covenants scripture and it could be a holy book b/c of what it said.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:24 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:20 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:02 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm Yes, I have read some books of your scriptures and I believe their could be truth in them but I don't know about the priests and leaders. There are truths in eastern and middle eastern philosophy and religions and your scriptures that are very similar b/c I studied some of them.

Discard the men unless what they say is confirmed to you by the Spirit.

• Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost. (2 Nephi 28:31)

They don't really teach that, though.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm But I believe in christ as a true son of god. He was born to the holy virgin and ascended to the father in the highest heaven. Christianity is more of a hidden nature in China but believers are there. I think your books could be holy but the Catholics believe in the Bible and the holy prophets but they are pedophiles. The Christians churches here are all liars many times so they hide the truth and stab each one in the back.

The Bible and book of Mormon work together wonderfully. Christian churches here don't sound too far off lol

If this board believes in the LDS or not I can't tell maybe you are still figureing it out. Many seem to criticize and with all the lying in the American churches I understand this but others seem to like the LDS and maybe it is true they're good. The biggest problem is if there are things of a sex nature while hiding it in the church buildings, then we refuse to take part in that. We believe that that is an evil spirit going about trying to capture the soul. We only believe in pure ceremonies. We don't practice like the Jehovah's Witness or Catholics in their ceremonies.

Yes I don't understand the book of mormons but smith was a young holy man maybe b/c of what they told me about him unless they are liars. I read in the doctrines and covenants scripture and it could be a holy book b/c of what it said.

“Sex nature”....

I do believe there is sexual abuse in the ranks of church leadership, many have admitted to this. You can do a pretty easy internet search...

Just be careful not to throw out truth among the lies, it’s a difficult line to draw. Like I said, there are truths and lies amidst the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church. I left it recently.

Follow the Spirit and look for truth wherever it may come from, that’s my advice.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:24 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:20 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:02 pm
Discard the men unless what they say is confirmed to you by the Spirit.

• Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost. (2 Nephi 28:31)

They don't really teach that, though.

The Bible and book of Mormon work together wonderfully. Christian churches here don't sound too far off lol

If this board believes in the LDS or not I can't tell maybe you are still figureing it out. Many seem to criticize and with all the lying in the American churches I understand this but others seem to like the LDS and maybe it is true they're good. The biggest problem is if there are things of a sex nature while hiding it in the church buildings, then we refuse to take part in that. We believe that that is an evil spirit going about trying to capture the soul. We only believe in pure ceremonies. We don't practice like the Jehovah's Witness or Catholics in their ceremonies.

Yes I don't understand the book of mormons but smith was a young holy man maybe b/c of what they told me about him unless they are liars. I read in the doctrines and covenants scripture and it could be a holy book b/c of what it said.

“Sex nature”....

I do believe there is sexual abuse in the ranks of church leadership, many have admitted to this. You can do a pretty easy internet search...

Just be careful not to throw out truth among the lies, it’s a difficult line to draw. Like I said, there are truths and lies amidst the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church. I left it recently.

Follow the Spirit and look for truth wherever it may come from, that’s my advice.

Yes there is alot of sex in the churches here that's hidden. I won't let my family join in to those church flocks.

What is 2 Nephi 28:3? Is that a scripture cite of a holy prophet's book from the doctrines and covenants or book of mormon? It's not in the bible or apocrypha scrolls that i have studied.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:35 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:24 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:20 pm

If this board believes in the LDS or not I can't tell maybe you are still figureing it out. Many seem to criticize and with all the lying in the American churches I understand this but others seem to like the LDS and maybe it is true they're good. The biggest problem is if there are things of a sex nature while hiding it in the church buildings, then we refuse to take part in that. We believe that that is an evil spirit going about trying to capture the soul. We only believe in pure ceremonies. We don't practice like the Jehovah's Witness or Catholics in their ceremonies.

Yes I don't understand the book of mormons but smith was a young holy man maybe b/c of what they told me about him unless they are liars. I read in the doctrines and covenants scripture and it could be a holy book b/c of what it said.

“Sex nature”....

I do believe there is sexual abuse in the ranks of church leadership, many have admitted to this. You can do a pretty easy internet search...

Just be careful not to throw out truth among the lies, it’s a difficult line to draw. Like I said, there are truths and lies amidst the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church. I left it recently.

Follow the Spirit and look for truth wherever it may come from, that’s my advice.

Yes there is alot of sex in the churches here that's hidden. I won't let my family join in to those church flocks.

What is 2 Nephi 28:3? Is that a scripture cite of a holy prophet's book from the doctrines and covenants or book of mormon? It's not in the bible or apocrypha scrolls that i have studied.

Book of Mormon.

If you get one, I recommend one of the earlier versions (they aren’t broken out by verses, and the chapters are slightly different). I enjoy the structure of those much more.

I have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1944141820/re ... UTF8&psc=1

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:35 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:24 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:20 pm

If this board believes in the LDS or not I can't tell maybe you are still figureing it out. Many seem to criticize and with all the lying in the American churches I understand this but others seem to like the LDS and maybe it is true they're good. The biggest problem is if there are things of a sex nature while hiding it in the church buildings, then we refuse to take part in that. We believe that that is an evil spirit going about trying to capture the soul. We only believe in pure ceremonies. We don't practice like the Jehovah's Witness or Catholics in their ceremonies.

Yes I don't understand the book of mormons but smith was a young holy man maybe b/c of what they told me about him unless they are liars. I read in the doctrines and covenants scripture and it could be a holy book b/c of what it said.

“Sex nature”....

I do believe there is sexual abuse in the ranks of church leadership, many have admitted to this. You can do a pretty easy internet search...

Just be careful not to throw out truth among the lies, it’s a difficult line to draw. Like I said, there are truths and lies amidst the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church. I left it recently.

Follow the Spirit and look for truth wherever it may come from, that’s my advice.

Yes there is alot of sex in the churches here that's hidden. I won't let my family join in to those church flocks.

What is 2 Nephi 28:3? Is that a scripture cite of a holy prophet's book from the doctrines and covenants or book of mormon? It's not in the bible or apocrypha scrolls that i have studied.

Book of Mormon.

If you get one, I recommend one of the earlier versions (they aren’t broken out by verses, and the chapters are slightly different). I enjoy the structure of those much more.

I have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1944141820/re ... UTF8&psc=1

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:42 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:35 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:24 pm
“Sex nature”....

I do believe there is sexual abuse in the ranks of church leadership, many have admitted to this. You can do a pretty easy internet search...

Just be careful not to throw out truth among the lies, it’s a difficult line to draw. Like I said, there are truths and lies amidst the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church. I left it recently.

Follow the Spirit and look for truth wherever it may come from, that’s my advice.

Yes there is alot of sex in the churches here that's hidden. I won't let my family join in to those church flocks.

What is 2 Nephi 28:3? Is that a scripture cite of a holy prophet's book from the doctrines and covenants or book of mormon? It's not in the bible or apocrypha scrolls that i have studied.

Book of Mormon.

If you get one, I recommend one of the earlier versions (they aren’t broken out by verses, and the chapters are slightly different). I enjoy the structure of those much more.

I have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1944141820/re ... UTF8&psc=1

Yes the Book of Mormon. I've read from it and Alma is a holy prophet I believe. He speaks in the prophet's way and knows about the resurrection and holy spirits workings. He taught it how the bible teaches so I think he was inspired by god to speak the word probably.

But Nephi is also in the book? Nephi is a man or woman?

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:47 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:42 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:35 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Yes there is alot of sex in the churches here that's hidden. I won't let my family join in to those church flocks.

What is 2 Nephi 28:3? Is that a scripture cite of a holy prophet's book from the doctrines and covenants or book of mormon? It's not in the bible or apocrypha scrolls that i have studied.

Book of Mormon.

If you get one, I recommend one of the earlier versions (they aren’t broken out by verses, and the chapters are slightly different). I enjoy the structure of those much more.

I have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1944141820/re ... UTF8&psc=1

Yes the Book of Mormon. I've read from it and Alma is a holy prophet I believe. He speaks in the prophet's way and knows about the resurrection and holy spirits workings. He taught it how the bible teaches so I think he was inspired by god to speak the word probably.

But Nephi is also in the book? Nephi is a man or woman?

I agree.

Nephi is a man.

There was one translation. There have been no major edits to the original text, but I like the version that reads more like a regular book. The chapters flow more smoothly.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 9:43 am Confusion occurs in LDS culture when obedience to God and the Spirit is confused with obedience to the arm of the flesh. I don't care who that man or woman is, we should not heed any counsel unless that given precept is impressed upon us through the Holy Ghost. The LDS church leadership does not teach this principle, in fact, they teach the opposite.

I have several videos of Holland, Eyring, and Oaks all stating that when we receive answers to prayers that we must compare them against God's words and the words of church leaders. If it contradicts a church leader, we know we are in error. What a bunch of horse poop.

KosherDad wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:48 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 9:43 am Confusion occurs in LDS culture when obedience to God and the Spirit is confused with obedience to the arm of the flesh. I don't care who that man or woman is, we should not heed any counsel unless that given precept is impressed upon us through the Holy Ghost. The LDS church leadership does not teach this principle, in fact, they teach the opposite.

I have several videos of Holland, Eyring, and Oaks all stating that when we receive answers to prayers that we must compare them against God's words and the words of church leaders. If it contradicts a church leader, we know we are in error. What a bunch of horse poop.

May I respectfully suggest that confusion occurs in LDS culture when the members of the church fail to study Scripture and the Commandments of God they claim to follow. One of the Commandments of God is to study the Word of God in order to be able to recognize a false prophet in order to NOT follow the "prophet".

The Biblical Scriptures have a great deal to say on the subject. Given our "awful situation" I HIGHLY recommend doing a study on the subject.

PDF False Prophets.pdf

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 8:40 pm

KosherDad wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:48 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 9:43 am Confusion occurs in LDS culture when obedience to God and the Spirit is confused with obedience to the arm of the flesh. I don't care who that man or woman is, we should not heed any counsel unless that given precept is impressed upon us through the Holy Ghost. The LDS church leadership does not teach this principle, in fact, they teach the opposite.

I have several videos of Holland, Eyring, and Oaks all stating that when we receive answers to prayers that we must compare them against God's words and the words of church leaders. If it contradicts a church leader, we know we are in error. What a bunch of horse poop.

May I respectfully suggest that confusion occurs in LDS culture when the members of the church fail to study Scripture and the Commandments of God they claim to follow. One of the Commandments of God is to study the Word of God in order to be able to recognize a false prophet in order to NOT follow the "prophet".

The Biblical Scriptures have a great deal to say on the subject. Given our "awful situation" I HIGHLY recommend doing a study on the subject.

PDF False Prophets.pdf

Yes, we should study "God's words", all the while keeping in mind that many people claim to speak in the name of God. The only way to find out whether their words are truly inspired is through the Spirit.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 8:40 pm

KosherDad wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:48 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 9:43 am Confusion occurs in LDS culture when obedience to God and the Spirit is confused with obedience to the arm of the flesh. I don't care who that man or woman is, we should not heed any counsel unless that given precept is impressed upon us through the Holy Ghost. The LDS church leadership does not teach this principle, in fact, they teach the opposite.

I have several videos of Holland, Eyring, and Oaks all stating that when we receive answers to prayers that we must compare them against God's words and the words of church leaders. If it contradicts a church leader, we know we are in error. What a bunch of horse poop.

May I respectfully suggest that confusion occurs in LDS culture when the members of the church fail to study Scripture and the Commandments of God they claim to follow. One of the Commandments of God is to study the Word of God in order to be able to recognize a false prophet in order to NOT follow the "prophet".

The Biblical Scriptures have a great deal to say on the subject. Given our "awful situation" I HIGHLY recommend doing a study on the subject.

PDF False Prophets.pdf

Yes, we should study "God's words", all the while keeping in mind that many people claim to speak in the name of God. The only way to find out whether their words are truly inspired is through the Spirit.

KosherDad wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 12:56 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 8:40 pm

KosherDad wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:48 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 9:43 am Confusion occurs in LDS culture when obedience to God and the Spirit is confused with obedience to the arm of the flesh. I don't care who that man or woman is, we should not heed any counsel unless that given precept is impressed upon us through the Holy Ghost. The LDS church leadership does not teach this principle, in fact, they teach the opposite.

I have several videos of Holland, Eyring, and Oaks all stating that when we receive answers to prayers that we must compare them against God's words and the words of church leaders. If it contradicts a church leader, we know we are in error. What a bunch of horse poop.

May I respectfully suggest that confusion occurs in LDS culture when the members of the church fail to study Scripture and the Commandments of God they claim to follow. One of the Commandments of God is to study the Word of God in order to be able to recognize a false prophet in order to NOT follow the "prophet".

The Biblical Scriptures have a great deal to say on the subject. Given our "awful situation" I HIGHLY recommend doing a study on the subject.

PDF False Prophets.pdf

Yes, we should study "God's words", all the while keeping in mind that many people claim to speak in the name of God. The only way to find out whether their words are truly inspired is through the Spirit.

Respectfully, that is not completely correct.

1 John 4:1 (NKJV) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

In other words, there are spirits out there trying to deceive us. Our protection from that is our knowledge of the Word of God.

Ephesians 6:10-20 (NKJV)
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places.]
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD (emphasis mine);
18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints--
19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

KosherDad wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 1:50 pm Matthew 24:24 (NKJV) For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 1:58 pm Yes we cannot tell if the spirit of the LDS is Christian or a false one. We cannot see if unity is in their spirit. There are many millions of mormons but they all believe different?

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 2:01 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 1:58 pm Yes we cannot tell if the spirit of the LDS is Christian or a false one. We cannot see if unity is in their spirit. There are many millions of mormons but they all believe different?

I believe that the only true church is Christ's. All worldly religions and organizations have become corrupted.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 2:13 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 2:01 pm

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 1:58 pm Yes we cannot tell if the spirit of the LDS is Christian or a false one. We cannot see if unity is in their spirit. There are many millions of mormons but they all believe different?

I believe that the only true church is Christ's. All worldly religions and organizations have become corrupted.

Yes we believe the same. But we are looking for holy men like the three wise men who can read the signs of three heavens and cast out evil spirits from dark ceremonies or praying like Paul and Jesus in the word.

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm…There are truths in eastern and middle eastern philosophy and religions and your scriptures that are very similar b/c I studied some of them.

But I believe in christ as a true son of god. He was born to the holy virgin and ascended to the father in the highest heaven. Christianity is more of a hidden nature in China but believers are there. I think your books could be holy but the Catholics believe in the Bible and the holy prophets but they are pedophiles. The Christians churches here are all liars many times so they hide the truth and stab each one in the back.

GeeR wrote: ↑January 25th, 2022, 2:14 pm I’ve been trying to come up with a truthful attention getting and indisputable explanation to wake-up the American people and members of the church to this phony COVID-19 plandemic. Maybe you can use it to get the word out too!?

Are you and I being Louise Ogbornized?

The United Nations is Louise Ogbornizing the American people with lock-downs, face-masks and vaccinations. Who is Louise Ogborn? Oh yes she’s the 18 year-old girl who was willingly sodomized for being compliant to authority figures. Do we see any parallels to what Louise Ogborn experienced and what all Americans are now experiencing on orders and mandates of the United Nations, Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates and Russell M. Nelson?

Read More at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_sea ... _call_scam

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 8:51 am This is dangerous when taught by men who supposedly hold your salvation in their hands, and it's hard because the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored by Joseph Smith contains wonderful truth. But they dangle that truth like a carrot in front of your face, leading many to do and say things they otherwise wouldn't.

Thinker wrote: ↑November 13th, 2021, 10:37 am

zhang_daqian wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 4:56 pm…There are truths in eastern and middle eastern philosophy and religions and your scriptures that are very similar b/c I studied some of them.

But I believe in christ as a true son of god. He was born to the holy virgin and ascended to the father in the highest heaven. Christianity is more of a hidden nature in China but believers are there. I think your books could be holy but the Catholics believe in the Bible and the holy prophets but they are pedophiles. The Christians churches here are all liars many times so they hide the truth and stab each one in the back.

Interesting.
And welcome to this forum.
How are eastern philosophies similar to lds scripture?

I came across some Chinese symbols that predate Hebrew stories, suggesting maybe China as the origin of what so many believe.
What do you think?

EvanLM wrote: ↑January 29th, 2022, 8:12 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑June 11th, 2021, 8:51 am This is dangerous when taught by men who supposedly hold your salvation in their hands, and it's hard because the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored by Joseph Smith contains wonderful truth. But they dangle that truth like a carrot in front of your face, leading many to do and say things they otherwise wouldn't.

None of the men in authority of the
COJCLDS hold my salvation at their hands. That includes Holland, who thinks he is the gatekeeper guard dog.