Imminent Food Chain Issues
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I'll give it a like because it highlights an important issue, but iceage farmer has always been a doom and gloom guy with fear porn that has yet to pan out.
Still, I'm all for anyone who is against the NWO or globalization.
WHEN I'm ready to raise my own food, I definitely want to avoid spending $50 on supplies just to save $2.17 on tomatoes....
Seriously, near the end of the video - he talks about organizing to fight globalization, but gives no resources to do so. Figure that IF it comes to world domination, TPTB are definitely NOT going to let your little FB gardening group band together. So you'll need some other way to connect. "Meatspace" is your local physical neighborhood - start there. If you need to network for supplies from "far away places", you need somewhere to go online that is censorship proof...
Since all the internet sites are controlled by BigTech like Google, and all the routing is owned by Cloudflare and Fastly and GoDaddy, all who have been shown to be in favor of censorship of unpopular opinions, you need to get around them with a server-less solution like Briar, Retroshare, or Manyverse. worth looking into.
Just like gardening, where you need to start 5-10 years before you expect to supply all your own calories, not the year before, and definitely not when the collapse begins - you need to begin building your online network before the collapse is announced.
Anyway, it's a good video to get you thinking.
Still, I'm all for anyone who is against the NWO or globalization.
WHEN I'm ready to raise my own food, I definitely want to avoid spending $50 on supplies just to save $2.17 on tomatoes....
Seriously, near the end of the video - he talks about organizing to fight globalization, but gives no resources to do so. Figure that IF it comes to world domination, TPTB are definitely NOT going to let your little FB gardening group band together. So you'll need some other way to connect. "Meatspace" is your local physical neighborhood - start there. If you need to network for supplies from "far away places", you need somewhere to go online that is censorship proof...
Since all the internet sites are controlled by BigTech like Google, and all the routing is owned by Cloudflare and Fastly and GoDaddy, all who have been shown to be in favor of censorship of unpopular opinions, you need to get around them with a server-less solution like Briar, Retroshare, or Manyverse. worth looking into.
Just like gardening, where you need to start 5-10 years before you expect to supply all your own calories, not the year before, and definitely not when the collapse begins - you need to begin building your online network before the collapse is announced.
Anyway, it's a good video to get you thinking.
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Thanks for the heads up about him. I didn’t know that! And I was kind of despairing about the impossibility of getting a community network up and running this year. Our next, for that matter. Then again, necessity can be the mother of invention.mudflap wrote: ↑June 10th, 2021, 1:28 pm I'll give it a like because it highlights an important issue, but iceage farmer has always been a doom and gloom guy with fear porn that has yet to pan out.
Still, I'm all for anyone who is against the NWO or globalization.
WHEN I'm ready to raise my own food, I definitely want to avoid spending $50 on supplies just to save $2.17 on tomatoes....
Seriously, near the end of the video - he talks about organizing to fight globalization, but gives no resources to do so. Figure that IF it comes to world domination, TPTB are definitely NOT going to let your little FB gardening group band together. So you'll need some other way to connect. "Meatspace" is your local physical neighborhood - start there. If you need to network for supplies from "far away places", you need somewhere to go online that is censorship proof...
Since all the internet sites are controlled by BigTech like Google, and all the routing is owned by Cloudflare and Fastly and GoDaddy, all who have been shown to be in favor of censorship of unpopular opinions, you need to get around them with a server-less solution like Briar, Retroshare, or Manyverse. worth looking into.
Just like gardening, where you need to start 5-10 years before you expect to supply all your own calories, not the year before, and definitely not when the collapse begins - you need to begin building your online network before the collapse is announced.
Anyway, it's a good video to get you thinking.
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well, you could start with a server based solution, and then go from there:Allison wrote: ↑June 10th, 2021, 7:37 pmThanks for the heads up about him. I didn’t know that! And I was kind of despairing about the impossibility of getting a community network up and running this year. Our next, for that matter. Then again, necessity can be the mother of invention.mudflap wrote: ↑June 10th, 2021, 1:28 pm I'll give it a like because it highlights an important issue, but iceage farmer has always been a doom and gloom guy with fear porn that has yet to pan out.
Still, I'm all for anyone who is against the NWO or globalization.
WHEN I'm ready to raise my own food, I definitely want to avoid spending $50 on supplies just to save $2.17 on tomatoes....
Seriously, near the end of the video - he talks about organizing to fight globalization, but gives no resources to do so. Figure that IF it comes to world domination, TPTB are definitely NOT going to let your little FB gardening group band together. So you'll need some other way to connect. "Meatspace" is your local physical neighborhood - start there. If you need to network for supplies from "far away places", you need somewhere to go online that is censorship proof...
Since all the internet sites are controlled by BigTech like Google, and all the routing is owned by Cloudflare and Fastly and GoDaddy, all who have been shown to be in favor of censorship of unpopular opinions, you need to get around them with a server-less solution like Briar, Retroshare, or Manyverse. worth looking into.
Just like gardening, where you need to start 5-10 years before you expect to supply all your own calories, not the year before, and definitely not when the collapse begins - you need to begin building your online network before the collapse is announced.
Anyway, it's a good video to get you thinking.
maybe try: https://freedomcells.org/ . start a "cell" in your area, invite your friends. not censorship proof, but you could at least start building your network.
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Sidenote: Dr. Gundry decries our failure to peel and deseed tomatoes.
Tomato lectins really bother me and were thought poisonous for really a long time.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B077K9X2QS are some from Italy in a box.
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I don't see how it's impossible. People are doing it.Allison wrote: ↑June 10th, 2021, 7:37 pmThanks for the heads up about him. I didn’t know that! And I was kind of despairing about the impossibility of getting a community network up and running this year. Our next, for that matter. Then again, necessity can be the mother of invention.mudflap wrote: ↑June 10th, 2021, 1:28 pm I'll give it a like because it highlights an important issue, but iceage farmer has always been a doom and gloom guy with fear porn that has yet to pan out.
Still, I'm all for anyone who is against the NWO or globalization.
WHEN I'm ready to raise my own food, I definitely want to avoid spending $50 on supplies just to save $2.17 on tomatoes....
Seriously, near the end of the video - he talks about organizing to fight globalization, but gives no resources to do so. Figure that IF it comes to world domination, TPTB are definitely NOT going to let your little FB gardening group band together. So you'll need some other way to connect. "Meatspace" is your local physical neighborhood - start there. If you need to network for supplies from "far away places", you need somewhere to go online that is censorship proof...
Since all the internet sites are controlled by BigTech like Google, and all the routing is owned by Cloudflare and Fastly and GoDaddy, all who have been shown to be in favor of censorship of unpopular opinions, you need to get around them with a server-less solution like Briar, Retroshare, or Manyverse. worth looking into.
Just like gardening, where you need to start 5-10 years before you expect to supply all your own calories, not the year before, and definitely not when the collapse begins - you need to begin building your online network before the collapse is announced.
Anyway, it's a good video to get you thinking.
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slowly, and then all at once. Stock up now before it's too late. Last call people.
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Yesterday I went to the grocery store and found that a few of the items that I normally purchase were not available. I was joking with a supervisor about not forecasting his orders correctly. He said that they are "Over Ordering" with hopes that half of their requested merchandise arrives.
Shelves are not bare, but the selection is thinning. My husband normally does our shopping, so I have no idea how long this has been an issue. My husband claims that he has been telling me this for a few months. (but he exaggerates and I tend to dump parts of conversations based on information overload.)
Shelves are not bare, but the selection is thinning. My husband normally does our shopping, so I have no idea how long this has been an issue. My husband claims that he has been telling me this for a few months. (but he exaggerates and I tend to dump parts of conversations based on information overload.)
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Wife showed me a video yesterday of a "southern mama" (not sure the actual name) at Krogers showing 12 oz bags of chips going for $8 - $11 a bag.
THAT escalated quickly.
Our plan: get this cabin weatherized on the outside (chinking done = mid october), frame 1 inside wall (also October) so we know where to install the wood burning stove and pipe (cut hole in roof) by the end of October. At least we'll have heat, a dry place to escape to if needed, and a way to cook (wood stove is also a cook stove). Here in the South, I'm a little concerned about food, but you don't need water for a garden - just need seeds. We've been building up our food storage over the summer. If something happens, we might squeak by till spring. We have 3.5 acres of flat tillable ground, which is plenty if you manage it right.
THAT escalated quickly.
Our plan: get this cabin weatherized on the outside (chinking done = mid october), frame 1 inside wall (also October) so we know where to install the wood burning stove and pipe (cut hole in roof) by the end of October. At least we'll have heat, a dry place to escape to if needed, and a way to cook (wood stove is also a cook stove). Here in the South, I'm a little concerned about food, but you don't need water for a garden - just need seeds. We've been building up our food storage over the summer. If something happens, we might squeak by till spring. We have 3.5 acres of flat tillable ground, which is plenty if you manage it right.
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In post ww2 ukraine the russians confiscated all the food. If they caught you with a garden or collecting the few grains left in the field you were shot.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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You make some very good points!mudflap wrote: ↑June 10th, 2021, 1:28 pm I'll give it a like because it highlights an important issue, but iceage farmer has always been a doom and gloom guy with fear porn that has yet to pan out.
Still, I'm all for anyone who is against the NWO or globalization.
WHEN I'm ready to raise my own food, I definitely want to avoid spending $50 on supplies just to save $2.17 on tomatoes....
Seriously, near the end of the video - he talks about organizing to fight globalization, but gives no resources to do so. Figure that IF it comes to world domination, TPTB are definitely NOT going to let your little FB gardening group band together. So you'll need some other way to connect. "Meatspace" is your local physical neighborhood - start there. If you need to network for supplies from "far away places", you need somewhere to go online that is censorship proof...
Since all the internet sites are controlled by BigTech like Google, and all the routing is owned by Cloudflare and Fastly and GoDaddy, all who have been shown to be in favor of censorship of unpopular opinions, you need to get around them with a server-less solution like Briar, Retroshare, or Manyverse. worth looking into.
Just like gardening, where you need to start 5-10 years before you expect to supply all your own calories, not the year before, and definitely not when the collapse begins - you need to begin building your online network before the collapse is announced.
Anyway, it's a good video to get you thinking.
One thing to keep in mind though is the $50 in supplies to saving $2.17 on tomatoes...is the present situation. Whereas in the not so distant future it might be tomatoes are not available at any price? Just a thought on it...and at least that is what I keep telling myself as I lay out the $50 after $100 after $1000 etc...to build sufficient infrastructure to support efficient growing techniques and practices.
The other aspect is quality. A decision was made at an agriculture conference in the late 70's...when deciding whether to put nutrition labels on produce....to not add a quality aspect and instead base agricultural production competition on quantity. Major detriment to the people consuming the produce though...
The body needs vitamins and minerals...and will consume as many calories as it has to...to get there. Tends towards fatness. In a survival situation the calories may be wanted though.
But reality is most people are short on the basics...
The popular term now is nutrient dense. It is indeed a challenge...both to measure and produce. Brix levels. etc. The Bionutrient Food Association is attempting to level the playing field with a low cost meter so people can measure quality at the supermarket while shopping (or their own food production).
https://bionutrient.org/site/bionutrient-meter
I've been analyzing different gardening and market gardening techniques for a couple decades now. Particular emphasis on growing in the northern half of the US. Actually started recently to bring all of that information together into a digestible book. But no small undertaking.
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This is why foraging is so important. Eat weeds and flowers. Hopefully they won't notice. Not enough calories, but nutrients to help keep you going.
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Imminent? They're already happening. Last year's harvest didn't get collected in some places... the Suez Canal was blocked...
Similar things happening worldwide with different excuses. In Continental Europe, the Russians are being blamed for upping the price of gas. In Australia, things are being blamed on a trade war with China. In the UK with Brexit. USA on other things. In the Netherlands on a cyberattack.
The UN's FAO food price index shows them skyrocketing over '20 & '21.
Similar things happening worldwide with different excuses. In Continental Europe, the Russians are being blamed for upping the price of gas. In Australia, things are being blamed on a trade war with China. In the UK with Brexit. USA on other things. In the Netherlands on a cyberattack.
The UN's FAO food price index shows them skyrocketing over '20 & '21.
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Not much good in winter, but Polish and Russian friends of mine told me this is why so many of them took to mushrooms, because you can neither stockpile them or prevent them growing.JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 9:53 pmThis is why foraging is so important. Eat weeds and flowers. Hopefully they won't notice. Not enough calories, but nutrients to help keep you going.
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well....some are poisonous or mildly toxic, so be careful. I recommend two books on this, both by Bradford Angier:JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 9:53 pmThis is why foraging is so important. Eat weeds and flowers. Hopefully they won't notice. Not enough calories, but nutrients to help keep you going.
1. "How to survive in the woods"
2. "Field guide to edible wild plants" (North America) - contains drawings of the plants, where they grow, and how to eat them.
You could also get the Army survival guide - I have FM21-76. got it at a thrift store.
That guy I see pop up on fb every so often selling the idea of a secret garden you plant one time in the forest and live off the results? doesn't work - rabbits will just eat the buds until there's nothing left. maybe you can whack the rabbits and eat them instead....?
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LOL. You are right. I didn't mean to just grab whatever plants you can find. You do need to start now, if you haven't already, to know that plants are safe and edible in your area.mudflap wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 6:16 amwell....some are poisonous or mildly toxic, so be careful. I recommend two books on this, both by Bradford Angier:JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 9:53 pmThis is why foraging is so important. Eat weeds and flowers. Hopefully they won't notice. Not enough calories, but nutrients to help keep you going.
1. "How to survive in the woods"
2. "Field guide to edible wild plants" (North America) - contains drawings of the plants, where they grow, and how to eat them.
You could also get the Army survival guide - I have FM21-76. got it at a thrift store.
That guy I see pop up on fb every so often selling the idea of a secret garden you plant one time in the forest and live off the results? doesn't work - rabbits will just eat the buds until there's nothing left. maybe you can whack the rabbits and eat them instead....?
I've been teaching my children about edible/medicinal plants for years. No need to plant a secret garden, you can hardly get rid of all the weeds.
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mudflap wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 6:16 amThere are ways and means you can do that. Rabbits won't eat potato shoots for example. Some people so plant fruit trees out in the woods.JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 9:53 pm guide - I have FM21-76. got it at a thrift store.
That guy I see pop up on fb every so often selling the idea of a secret garden you plant one time in the forest and live off the results? doesn't work - rabbits will just eat the buds until there's nothing left. maybe you can whack the rabbits and eat them instead....?
One thing I do though is "dose" bushes with brambles/blackberries and even raspberries. I don't do it with private gardens but there are some public hedges with cottoneaster in them which I've managed to get these growing in...
So one thing you can do is to chuck the seeds of edible plants into wasteground where you can get them.
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A change in perspective about food and gardening can be helpful.Jason wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 2:18 pm
One thing to keep in mind though is the $50 in supplies to saving $2.17 on tomatoes...is the present situation. Whereas in the not so distant future it might be tomatoes are not available at any price? Just a thought on it...and at least that is what I keep telling myself as I lay out the $50 after $100 after $1000 etc...to build sufficient infrastructure to support efficient growing techniques and practices.
Imagine having to forage for all your food.
You are out wandering around eating what you can find. It means if you happen to find an apple tree growing in a canyon , you don't worry about the fact that it hasn't been sprayed or their are worms. You simply cut off the bad and eat the good parts. Same with other wild plants.
Now after a few years you get to know where the wild strawberries and other favorite plants grow. It occurs to you that it might be better to get them growing all in the same place so it is easier to harvest and you don't have to walk all over to get your food: gardening is born!
With this perspective, the planting and tending of your garden is really easier, rather than harder. You can adjust your expectations for the produce, who cares about a bit of bugs, cut it off. Weeding? easier than walking miles a day!
Same thing with getting use to eating more produce. Imagine having to forage and most of what you find is leaves to eat, of one kind or another. Can you imagine how awesome finding a tomato or cucumber or onion or especially a yummy fruit would be? Now keep that in mind even if you are trying to eat more fruits and veggies from the store.
One last point, we have really ruined many plants.
My mom remembers the tall apple trees they use to harvest from up in Washington, until they cut them all down for dwarf trees. The harvesting was suppose to be easier, but it meant more chemicals to keep the bugs at bay. Same with other fruit trees. I have harvested apricots from old pioneer trees so tall we had crazy big ladders to get up their, but no spray and beautiful fruit.
Land management does their best to ruin foraging as well. Their use to be an apple tree in Provo canyon near Bridal Veil Falls that they cut down, and they sprayed all the berries along the Provo trail so we couldn't eat them anymore.
Perfectly good food sources! Gone!
Even as I say that, I have prayed over my field (and flocks) and had miracles. Mullein popping up in my backyard when I wanted it. Wild onion, lemongrass, and other things. I even prayed for a sick apple tree once and had a ring of mushrooms around it before the week was out. (Mushrooms are plant doctors.)
God is good! and so is His plan for us. $1 isn't often coming back as $2, but a seed can produce many of itself, and you may even get the fruit as well!
All we need is free on the earth from God, it is only man making a mockery of it that money was born.
As for their being enough land. Many years ago Ezra Taft Benson said their was enough good cultivatable land for every man woman and child on earth to have 5 acres each. Many decades later we are down to just under 5 at the current population, so still plenty. Their is enough and to spare if we would all leave each other alone and get to work tilling crops and tending animals.
We'll figure it out someday I suppose.
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I didn't write the comment about the secret garden and rabbits?Niemand wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 11:18 ammudflap wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 6:16 amThere are ways and means you can do that. Rabbits won't eat potato shoots for example. Some people so plant fruit trees out in the woods.JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 9:53 pm guide - I have FM21-76. got it at a thrift store.
That guy I see pop up on fb every so often selling the idea of a secret garden you plant one time in the forest and live off the results? doesn't work - rabbits will just eat the buds until there's nothing left. maybe you can whack the rabbits and eat them instead....?
One thing I do though is "dose" bushes with brambles/blackberries and even raspberries. I don't do it with private gardens but there are some public hedges with cottoneaster in them which I've managed to get these growing in...
So one thing you can do is to chuck the seeds of edible plants into wasteground where you can get them.
I had to add an end quote tag to get this to attribute correctly as well.
Something funky in the program right now.
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Some great thoughts! Enough and to spare...just properly managed of course. Like not getting in the way of God's design...JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 11:36 amA change in perspective about food and gardening can be helpful.Jason wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 2:18 pm
One thing to keep in mind though is the $50 in supplies to saving $2.17 on tomatoes...is the present situation. Whereas in the not so distant future it might be tomatoes are not available at any price? Just a thought on it...and at least that is what I keep telling myself as I lay out the $50 after $100 after $1000 etc...to build sufficient infrastructure to support efficient growing techniques and practices.
Imagine having to forage for all your food.
You are out wandering around eating what you can find. It means if you happen to find an apple tree growing in a canyon , you don't worry about the fact that it hasn't been sprayed or their are worms. You simply cut off the bad and eat the good parts. Same with other wild plants.
Now after a few years you get to know where the wild strawberries and other favorite plants grow. It occurs to you that it might be better to get them growing all in the same place so it is easier to harvest and you don't have to walk all over to get your food: gardening is born!
With this perspective, the planting and tending of your garden is really easier, rather than harder. You can adjust your expectations for the produce, who cares about a bit of bugs, cut it off. Weeding? easier than walking miles a day!
Same thing with getting use to eating more produce. Imagine having to forage and most of what you find is leaves to eat, of one kind or another. Can you imagine how awesome finding a tomato or cucumber or onion or especially a yummy fruit would be? Now keep that in mind even if you are trying to eat more fruits and veggies from the store.
One last point, we have really ruined many plants.
My mom remembers the tall apple trees they use to harvest from up in Washington, until they cut them all down for dwarf trees. The harvesting was suppose to be easier, but it meant more chemicals to keep the bugs at bay. Same with other fruit trees. I have harvested apricots from old pioneer trees so tall we had crazy big ladders to get up their, but no spray and beautiful fruit.
Land management does their best to ruin foraging as well. Their use to be an apple tree in Provo canyon near Bridal Veil Falls that they cut down, and they sprayed all the berries along the Provo trail so we couldn't eat them anymore.
Perfectly good food sources! Gone!
Even as I say that, I have prayed over my field (and flocks) and had miracles. Mullein popping up in my backyard when I wanted it. Wild onion, lemongrass, and other things. I even prayed for a sick apple tree once and had a ring of mushrooms around it before the week was out. (Mushrooms are plant doctors.)
God is good! and so is His plan for us. $1 isn't often coming back as $2, but a seed can produce many of itself, and you may even get the fruit as well!
All we need is free on the earth from God, it is only man making a mockery of it that money was born.
As for their being enough land. Many years ago Ezra Taft Benson said their was enough good cultivatable land for every man woman and child on earth to have 5 acres each. Many decades later we are down to just under 5 at the current population, so still plenty. Their is enough and to spare if we would all leave each other alone and get to work tilling crops and tending animals.
We'll figure it out someday I suppose.
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there is that family in California that grows all their food and sells the excess on 1/10th of an acre: https://tinyhousetalk.com/family-grows- ... rban-farm/, so it can be done.JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 11:36 amA change in perspective about food and gardening can be helpful.Jason wrote: ↑September 29th, 2021, 2:18 pm
One thing to keep in mind though is the $50 in supplies to saving $2.17 on tomatoes...is the present situation. Whereas in the not so distant future it might be tomatoes are not available at any price? Just a thought on it...and at least that is what I keep telling myself as I lay out the $50 after $100 after $1000 etc...to build sufficient infrastructure to support efficient growing techniques and practices.
Imagine having to forage for all your food.
You are out wandering around eating what you can find. It means if you happen to find an apple tree growing in a canyon , you don't worry about the fact that it hasn't been sprayed or their are worms. You simply cut off the bad and eat the good parts. Same with other wild plants.
Now after a few years you get to know where the wild strawberries and other favorite plants grow. It occurs to you that it might be better to get them growing all in the same place so it is easier to harvest and you don't have to walk all over to get your food: gardening is born!
With this perspective, the planting and tending of your garden is really easier, rather than harder. You can adjust your expectations for the produce, who cares about a bit of bugs, cut it off. Weeding? easier than walking miles a day!
Same thing with getting use to eating more produce. Imagine having to forage and most of what you find is leaves to eat, of one kind or another. Can you imagine how awesome finding a tomato or cucumber or onion or especially a yummy fruit would be? Now keep that in mind even if you are trying to eat more fruits and veggies from the store.
One last point, we have really ruined many plants.
My mom remembers the tall apple trees they use to harvest from up in Washington, until they cut them all down for dwarf trees. The harvesting was suppose to be easier, but it meant more chemicals to keep the bugs at bay. Same with other fruit trees. I have harvested apricots from old pioneer trees so tall we had crazy big ladders to get up their, but no spray and beautiful fruit.
Land management does their best to ruin foraging as well. Their use to be an apple tree in Provo canyon near Bridal Veil Falls that they cut down, and they sprayed all the berries along the Provo trail so we couldn't eat them anymore.
Perfectly good food sources! Gone!
Even as I say that, I have prayed over my field (and flocks) and had miracles. Mullein popping up in my backyard when I wanted it. Wild onion, lemongrass, and other things. I even prayed for a sick apple tree once and had a ring of mushrooms around it before the week was out. (Mushrooms are plant doctors.)
God is good! and so is His plan for us. $1 isn't often coming back as $2, but a seed can produce many of itself, and you may even get the fruit as well!
All we need is free on the earth from God, it is only man making a mockery of it that money was born.
As for their being enough land. Many years ago Ezra Taft Benson said their was enough good cultivatable land for every man woman and child on earth to have 5 acres each. Many decades later we are down to just under 5 at the current population, so still plenty. Their is enough and to spare if we would all leave each other alone and get to work tilling crops and tending animals.
We'll figure it out someday I suppose.
For now, we feel it is best to focus our energy on finishing this cabin so we can move in. I planted some squash / pumpkins / cucumbers this year and they came up nicely, then one weekend, gone - it was rabbits. We don't have a fence to keep them out, so until we do, forget it.
I got a few apples, but the trees they grew from are still too small, so the apples didn't get very big and rotted before they got ripe. My blueberries are doing great - I have 40 of them. I hope to double that number soon. We got close to 10 lbs of fruit this year. The wild blackberries and raspberries are doing great, need to cut them back. I'd like to try wheat once we're moved in. Sweet potatoes did ok, even without any care a few years ago. Corn, not so much (rabbits again?). Okra did great, so did the beans (fenced in). But yeah, we don't have time to get serious yet.
we have chickens where we are - if you had to, you could live off the eggs. we're doing an experiment with pickling lime to preserve them - one container went bad - I think an egg broke and spoiled the rest. I couldn't tell it was bad because I was still getting over covid and couldn't smell anything. but my tummy told me.... 2 days of stomach pain. wow. I understand you can preserve eggs for over a year this way. wife knows more about it than me....
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Re: Imminent Food Chain Issues
I have loved reading your log home posts! If only I could convince my husband. . .mudflap wrote: ↑September 30th, 2021, 5:50 pm
there is that family in California that grows all their food and sells the excess on 1/10th of an acre: https://tinyhousetalk.com/family-grows- ... rban-farm/, so it can be done.
For now, we feel it is best to focus our energy on finishing this cabin so we can move in. I planted some squash / pumpkins / cucumbers this year and they came up nicely, then one weekend, gone - it was rabbits. We don't have a fence to keep them out, so until we do, forget it.
I got a few apples, but the trees they grew from are still too small, so the apples didn't get very big and rotted before they got ripe. My blueberries are doing great - I have 40 of them. I hope to double that number soon. We got close to 10 lbs of fruit this year. The wild blackberries and raspberries are doing great, need to cut them back. I'd like to try wheat once we're moved in. Sweet potatoes did ok, even without any care a few years ago. Corn, not so much (rabbits again?). Okra did great, so did the beans (fenced in). But yeah, we don't have time to get serious yet.
we have chickens where we are - if you had to, you could live off the eggs. we're doing an experiment with pickling lime to preserve them - one container went bad - I think an egg broke and spoiled the rest. I couldn't tell it was bad because I was still getting over covid and couldn't smell anything. but my tummy told me.... 2 days of stomach pain. wow. I understand you can preserve eggs for over a year this way. wife knows more about it than me....
We had chickens at our last house and hope to get a lot more here. The farmers around here are generous, thy let us glean potatoes from the fields after they are done. We buy wheat from another family in the ward. Our current apple trees are also too small for more than compost or chickens. That was one things our old chickens loved, was rotten apples!
You can also preserve eggs with mineral oil.
https://www.superprepper.com/preserving ... neral-oil/
http://prepared-housewives.com/preserve ... neral-oil/
https://www.survivalsullivan.com/how-to-preserve-eggs/
Preserve Eggs With Mineral Oil
INGREDIENTS:
EGGS - You want clean eggs, and the fresher the better!
MINERAL OIL - Usually found in the drugstore next to Pepto Bismal.
GLOVES - You want to be careful not to get this stuff on you!
INSTRUCTIONS:
Warm 1/8 cup oil in the microwave for about 10 seconds. (This much will be able to do about 2 dozen eggs.)
Dry eggs and carton.
Put your gloves on!
Rub a little oil in your hands and then grab an egg.
Coat entire egg with oil, doesn't matter how thick or thin.
Make sure not to leave any exposed areas, cover completely with the oil!
Place it in the egg carton SMALL END DOWN!
Once a Week or Month flip the entire egg carton GENTLY upside down to help maintain the egg yolk.
Make sure you wash off the mineral oil or bloom before eating them!
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Re: Imminent Food Chain Issues
My garden did better than we ever have this year but nowhere near enough. The chickens ruined a. Lot of it. My goals for the winter mostly surround soil remediation (we have really bad clay/rock soil) and expanding my raised bed area My fruit trees Finally produced fruit but a deer or someone came and ate it all. I’m hoping for much better next year. Better deer fencing and keeping the chickens out of the garden.
We’re also working on a wood gasifier. I figure the grid is going to face ever increasing manipulation. We live in generally dense forest so wood is readily available even if it’s windfall. 2/3 power from the generator is better than zero with no gas.
We’re also working on a wood gasifier. I figure the grid is going to face ever increasing manipulation. We live in generally dense forest so wood is readily available even if it’s windfall. 2/3 power from the generator is better than zero with no gas.