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my only question is, please explain how you and your spouse can be of say ephriam, and you can have 5 kids, 4 from ephraim and 1 from another

I don't pretend to have all of the answers but I can tell you this from my personal experience. My first husband was a polynesian, so the first two children I had were with him. My son is Manasseh and my daughter is Ephraim. The rest of my children with my second husband (of 35 years) are so far, from Ephraim. All of my children are sealed to my husband and myself. The first two were adopted by my husband and we were able to have them sealed to us in the temple. The rest of my children (four girls) were BIC.

As I understand it, if you have no blood of Israel (100% Gentile/Heathen) then you are adopted into the Tribe of Ephriam. If you understand genetics then you can see where one child can be of one tribe and another child or family member be from another one.

OMD

AussieOi wrote: my only question is, please explain how you and your spouse can be of say ephriam, and you can have 5 kids, 4 from ephraim and 1 from another

Probably the same way that I have blue eyes, my wife brown eyes and yet my daughter has green eyes, the same as her grandpa. DNA is an interesting thing. Traits sometimes skip many generations.
I saw a picture of a set of twins last week. One child was white like mom the other was black like dad. I've even heard of a white mom and a white dad having a black child. It turned out that after doing a little research (and probably a paternity test ) one of the parents had a black ancestor from many generations earlier. Silly DNA.

Mahonri wrote:

Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: The lost 10 tribes returning enmasse is a MYTH. The scripture you quote is a symbolic representation of the events of the last days.

Parley P Pratt said no Prophecy is symbolic, but literal. He compared it to people saying the Noah story was just symbolic, and what a bunch of crud that was.

Other Prophets have said similar. Their were Prophets on both the New World and Old, so just because there is only one with all the keys, they could still have a Priesthood leader like those that followed Prophets in both America and Jerusalem at the same time.

Calling it a myth is a bit harsh, I think that any contradiction of the scripture sighted would need to be studies more. Elder McConkie didn't agree on a lot of issues with the other brethren. Maybe this is another.

Follow the majority of the Brethren. The Prophet Joseph said this was the key that would not rust.

When did he say follow the majority of the brethren? He told us to follow the prophet. If we took that council then explain the apostasy at Kirtland. The majority of the brethren tried to remove Joseph Smith.
My intent was to point out how unimportant the location of the lost tribes is. McConkie is the one who called this a Myth, so you can take it up with him when you get to the other side. 8)

Oldemandalton wrote:As I understand it, if you have no blood of Israel (100% Gentile/Heathen) then you are adopted into the Tribe of Ephriam. If you understand genetics then you can see where one child can be of one tribe and another child or family member be from another one.

OMD

It is possible that one child is adopted into another tribe.

Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: When did he say follow the majority of the brethren?

James E. Faust, “The Keys That Never Rust,” Ensign, Nov 1994, 72

The Prophet Joseph Smith said, “I will give you a key that will never rust, if you will stay with the majority of the Twelve Apostles, and the records of the Church, you will never be led astray.”

As I understand it only the Tribe of Ephriam is adopted into. The other 11 you are born into.

OMD

Mahonri wrote:

Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: When did he say follow the majority of the brethren?

James E. Faust, “The Keys That Never Rust,” Ensign, Nov 1994, 72

The Prophet Joseph Smith said, “I will give you a key that will never rust, if you will stay with the majority of the Twelve Apostles, and the records of the Church, you will never be led astray.”

Has anyone done a poll of the 12 to see where the majority opinion of the location of the lost tribes? This is another reason this is not that important.

Not critical to my salvation. I doubt it is for them either.

Probably more important to prep for the Adam-on-Di-oman thing instead.

Oldemandalton wrote:As I understand it, if you have no blood of Israel (100% Gentile/Heathen) then you are adopted into the Tribe of Ephriam. If you understand genetics then you can see where one child can be of one tribe and another child or family member be from another one.

OMD

The reason for this is because Ephraim has the birthright (they get the converted Gentile) as Abraham has the heathen adopted unto him.

Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: Has anyone done a poll of the 12 to see where the majority opinion of the location of the lost tribes? This is another reason this is not that important.

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Whatever, you were the one making a big deal about it calling it a myth

[The North Pole is] “containing thousands of millions of Israelites.”

- W.W. Phelps, “Letter No. 11,” Latter-day Saints’ Messenger & Advocate, October 1835, v. 2, no. 1, p. 194

“I was then really ‘the bosom friend and companion of the Prophet Joseph.’ … Sometimes when at my house I asked him questions relating to the past, present and future; … one of which I will relate: I asked where the nine and a half tribes of Israel were. ‘Well,’ said he, ‘you remember the old caldron or potash kettle you used to boil maple sap in for sugar, don’t you?’ I said yes. ‘Well,’ said he, ‘they are in the north pole in a concave just the shape of that kettle. And John the Revelator is with them, preparing them for their return.;:

- Benjamin Johnson, My Life’s Review, 1947, p. 93

“I have heard Joseph say that ‘John was among the Ten Tribes beyond the North Pole.”

- Oliver B. Huntington Journal, under January 13, 1881; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 528, footnote 100

http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/losttribes.html

It is my understanding that the North Pole is mostly if not all ice, no land, not dissimilar to the gulf of Mexico, from which Enoch was taken.

On a side note, if you knew of a great city, perhaps more advanced than others (perhaps because of their righteousness) and one day you went to visit that city and instead of the city, you found nothing but ocean, what would you assume? Perhaps that it sunk? Sound familiar? Makes me wonder where the story of Atlantis originated.

As mentioned before, imagine the technology that the lost tribes and Enoch will bring with them. It must be fantastic considering the dimensions of New Jerusalem.

Emmanuel Goldstein wrote:

Oldemandalton wrote:As I understand it, if you have no blood of Israel (100% Gentile/Heathen) then you are adopted into the Tribe of Ephriam. If you understand genetics then you can see where one child can be of one tribe and another child or family member be from another one.

OMD

It is possible that one child is adopted into another tribe.

Yes it is, my parents are from Manasseh, I'm from Ephraim and bro is from Zabulon and my dh is from Judah so who know what our girls are going to be from.

Yes it is, my parents are from Manasseh, I'm from Ephraim and bro is from Zabulon and my dh is from Judah so who know what our girls are going to be from.

Easy. From all of them.

We have one daughter from Ephraim and the other two from Manasseh. My wife is Mayan/Spanish and I'm a mongrel from the UK and NW Europe.

We will know soon enough where the "lost" 10 tribes are located. THEY know where they are.

The dude from X-Squared (he's LDS) radio wanted to do an expedition to go try and muddle about the hollow earth, while navigating around the North pole. I saw his presentation at the Tetra Tech Conference at the U of NM back in August.

Maybe they (10 tribes) can come quickly and help straighten out the USSA.

shadow wrote:

AussieOi wrote: my only question is, please explain how you and your spouse can be of say ephriam, and you can have 5 kids, 4 from ephraim and 1 from another

Probably the same way that I have blue eyes, my wife brown eyes and yet my daughter has green eyes, the same as her grandpa. DNA is an interesting thing. Traits sometimes skip many generations.
I saw a picture of a set of twins last week. One child was white like mom the other was black like dad. I've even heard of a white mom and a white dad having a black child. It turned out that after doing a little research (and probably a paternity test ) one of the parents had a black ancestor from many generations earlier. Silly DNA.

Anyone with a son / daughter with blue eyes is carrying one blue gene, and the spouse must also be carrying a blue gene also. Blue is recessive, and you need two blue genes for anyone to have blue eyes, like my wife. This is the case in our home. 7 kids, one with blue eyes, but lots of "green" and variations of similar colors in mine and the others. If you look carefully in everyone eyes, you can see flecks of blue, because I am carrying a recessive blue gene too! I didn't know this until my son was born with blue eyes. This must also mean one of my parents (I'm adopted) probably had blue eyes too, but if not, at least both carried a recessive gene for it. This also means all of our kids have a recessive blue gene too, since that is the only kind my wife has to offer! REALLY really cool!

As for the white / white couple with a black kid? Nice try, but in that case, you don't need any other research other than watching the color of the man delivering the mail.

Isn't this off topic? Not really. I understand genetics up to 3rd year university, but I do not know what gene carries the weight of being your gene of inheritance (ie. which tribe you are from), and so using the comparison of eye color, you can see how a recessive blue gene can remain hidden for generations, and suddenly surface when two blue genes meet again in the future.

I'm willing to give place for a technologically "lost" group of Israelites, whether in space, on the moon, or under the ice caps, crust, or sea - sure - but I'm placing my bet that they are not together as a group, are truly dispersed, will be gathered together as a group, recover their lost scriptures, and come back as a group thrashing their enemies to get to New Jerusalem.

I am open to most opinions on this PJ, since we have so few scriptures on the topic. We live in exiting times and I hope to live to see them come about, both the good and the bad. The bad will make us stronger and the good will make it all worth it.

OMD

The bad will make us stronger and the good will make it all worth it.

That really is profound, oldmandalton!

The Lost Ten Tribes Return


Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 1, p. 315.
“And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country.”


Orson Pratt, Millennial Star, Vol. 11, p. 323, November 1, 1849.
“The ten tribes will not return to Jerusalem and permanently inherit the land until the house of Judah has been gathered, and well scourged by the nations who will gather against them. But, instead of going to Jerusalem to be scourged and chastened with the Jews, they will first come to Zion. . . . ‘Therefore, they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the Lord, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock, and of the herd; and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.’ (See Jeremiah 31:7-14.)
Here it will be seen that the house of Israel will be in a very different condition from the Jews.The ten tribes will believe in Christ, so much so, that he will lead them, while on their return from the north country, and they will come and ‘sing in the height of Zion,’ and ‘they will not sorrow any more at all:’ whereas the Jews will have no such favours shown unto them on their return from the nations, but will have great distress and sorrow, and mourning, after they get back to Jerusalem. The ten tribes are redeemed from their afflictions before the Jews, consequently they first come to Zion among the redeemed saints, and partake with them in all the glory of Zion, until the Jews and Jerusalem shall also be redeemed, when they shall return to Jerusalem, and receive their inheritance in the land of Palestine, according to the divisions of that land in Ezekiel’s prophecy, and become one nation with the Jews, ‘in the land upon the mountains of Israel’.”

Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 18, p. 67-69, July 25, 1875.
“I do not know how much before the ten tribes will come from the north; but after Zion is built in Jackson County, and after the Temple is built upon that spot of ground where the corner stone was laid in 1831; after the glory of God in the form of a cloud by day shall rest upon that Temple, and by night the shining of a flaming fire will fill the whole heavens round about; after every dwelling place upon Mount Zion shall be clothed upon as with a pillar of fire by night, and a cloud by day, about that period of time, the ten tribes will be heard of, away in the north, a great company, as Jeremiah says, coming down from the northern regions, coming to sing in the height of the latter-day Zion. Their souls will be as a watered garden, and they will not sorrow any more at all, as they have been doing during the twenty-five hundred long years they have dwelt in the Arctic regions. They will come, and the Lord will be before their camp, he will utter his voice before that great army, and he will lead them forth as he led Israel in ancient days. This long chain of Rocky Mountains, that extends from the cold regions of the north away into South America, will feel the power of God, and will tremble before the hosts of Israel as they come to sing on the heights of Zion. In that day the trees of the field will clap like hands, says the Prophet, and in that day the Lord will open waters in the wilderness, and streams in the desert, to give drink to his chosen, his people Israel. And when they come to the height of Zion they shall be crowned with glory under the hands of the servants of God living in those days, the children of Ephraim, crowned with certain blessings that pertain to the Priesthood, that they could not receive in their own lands. In that day will be set apart twelve thousand out of each of these ten tribes—one hundred and twenty thousands persons ordained to the High Priesthood, after the order of the son of God, to go forth to all people, nations, kindreds and tongues, for the salvation of the remnants of Israel in the four quarters of the earth, to bring as many as will come unto the Church of the firstborn. Thus God will have twelve thousand out of all the tribes of Israel to fulfill his purposes; and when they have completed his work here on earth, they will be called home to Zion, be crowned with glory and stand upon Mount Zion and sing the song of the redeemed, the song of the hundred and forty-four thousand, and the Father's name will be written in their foreheads.
By and by, when all things are prepared—when the Jews have received their scourging, and Jesus has descended upon the Mount of Olives, the ten tribes will leave Zion, and will go to Palestine, to inherit the land that was given to their ancient fathers, and it will be divided amongst the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. They will go there to dwell in peace in their own land from that time, until the earth shall pass away. But Zion, after their departure, will still remain upon the western hemisphere, and she will be crowned with glory as well as old Jerusalem, and, as the Psalmist David says, she will become the joy of the whole earth.”

James E. Talmage, The Articles of Faith, p. 18-21.
“The ancient scriptures teem with prophecies concerning the restoration of Israel in the last days, and the gathering of the people from among the nations and from the lands into which they have been led or driven as a penalty for their waywardness. In the predictions of olden times such prominence and importance are attached to this work of gathering that, from the days of Israel's exodus, the last days have been characterized in sacred writ as distinctively a gathering dispensation. The return of the tribes after their long and wide dispersion is made a preliminary work to the establishment of the predicted reign of righteousness with Christ upon the earth as Lord and King; and its accomplishment is given as a sure precursor of the Millennium. Jerusalem is to be reestablished as the City of the Great King on the eastern hemisphere; and Zion, or the New Jerusalem, is to be built on the western continent; the Lost Tribes are to be brought from their place of exile in the north; and the curse is to be removed from Israel.”

lamanite_mormonGirl wrote:It doesn't surprise me at all, what's cooler is when your whole family is made out of three or four different tribes.

Were they literally descended from separate tribes or adopted in?

D&C 110:11. Where Are the Ten Lost Tribes?
DOCTRINE & COVENANTS INSTITUTE MANUAL:
President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “Whether these tribes are in the north or not, I am not prepared to say. As I said before, they are ‘lost’ and until the Lord wishes it, they will not be found. All that Iknow about it is what the Lord has revealed, and He declares that they will come from the North. He has also made it very clear and definite that these lost people are separate and apart from the scattered Israelites now being gathered out.” (Signs of the Times, p. 186; see also Notes and Commentary on Doctrine and Covenants 133:26–34.)