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I remind you that this is in supposedly conservative UT.

Folks, we no longer have the luxury of spending our evenings watching mindless garbage. You need to pay attention to what is occurring in your local school board and city council meetings.

Evidently it won't let me use the time feature to link to the video to the right location of the meeting, and it is a five hour meeting. Click here or skip to 04:12:10 on the video below.

markharr wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:35 pm I remind you that this is in supposedly conservative UT.

Folks, we no longer have the luxury of spending our evenings watching mindless garbage. You need to pay attention to what is occurring in your local school board and city council meetings.

Evidently it won't let me use the time feature to link to the video to the right location of the meeting, and it is a five hour meeting. Click here or skip to 04:12:10 on the video below.

Our children are FAAAAAR too precious than to have their heads being filled with this garbage. If you do allow your kids in to public school I sure hope WE are being proactive and prepping them ahead of time for what they're gonna be taught. To make sure they know the truth before it's taught them in a public heavily peer pressured environment....... SMH
I can't believe we even have to talk about this! I can't believe that it's even a thing happening in public school! Crazy how much changed and so quickly.

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:48 pm

markharr wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:35 pm I remind you that this is in supposedly conservative UT.

Folks, we no longer have the luxury of spending our evenings watching mindless garbage. You need to pay attention to what is occurring in your local school board and city council meetings.

Evidently it won't let me use the time feature to link to the video to the right location of the meeting, and it is a five hour meeting. Click here or skip to 04:12:10 on the video below.

Our children are FAAAAAR too precious than to have their heads being filled with this garbage. If you do allow your kids in to public school I sure hope WE are being proactive and prepping them ahead of time for what they're gonna be taught. To make sure they know the truth before it's taught them in a public heavily peer pressured environment....... SMH
I can't believe we even have to talk about this! I can't believe that it's even a thing happening in public school! Crazy how much changed and so quickly.

The backlash for all this crap is going to come. And when it does, I wouldn't want to be a black person.

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:48 pm

markharr wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:35 pm I remind you that this is in supposedly conservative UT.

Folks, we no longer have the luxury of spending our evenings watching mindless garbage. You need to pay attention to what is occurring in your local school board and city council meetings.

Evidently it won't let me use the time feature to link to the video to the right location of the meeting, and it is a five hour meeting. Click here or skip to 04:12:10 on the video below.

Our children are FAAAAAR too precious than to have their heads being filled with this garbage. If you do allow your kids in to public school I sure hope WE are being proactive and prepping them ahead of time for what they're gonna be taught. To make sure they know the truth before it's taught them in a public heavily peer pressured environment....... SMH
I can't believe we even have to talk about this! I can't believe that it's even a thing happening in public school! Crazy how much changed and so quickly.

As well as keeping them muzzled up for no reason smh. My siblings in HS gave a medical exemption from wearing a mask to the school, they rejected it because it’s from a doctor in Utah, not Idaho. Biggest BS I’ve ever seen. I’ve got a few years but am leaning towards complete homeschool.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 9:16 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:48 pm

markharr wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 8:35 pm I remind you that this is in supposedly conservative UT.

Folks, we no longer have the luxury of spending our evenings watching mindless garbage. You need to pay attention to what is occurring in your local school board and city council meetings.

Evidently it won't let me use the time feature to link to the video to the right location of the meeting, and it is a five hour meeting. Click here or skip to 04:12:10 on the video below.

Our children are FAAAAAR too precious than to have their heads being filled with this garbage. If you do allow your kids in to public school I sure hope WE are being proactive and prepping them ahead of time for what they're gonna be taught. To make sure they know the truth before it's taught them in a public heavily peer pressured environment....... SMH
I can't believe we even have to talk about this! I can't believe that it's even a thing happening in public school! Crazy how much changed and so quickly.

As well as keeping them muzzled up for no reason smh. My siblings in HS gave a medical exemption from wearing a mask to the school, they rejected it because it’s from a doctor in Utah, not Idaho. Biggest BS I’ve ever seen. I’ve got a few years but am leaning towards complete homeschool.

Yeah definitely. My little sister has 4 little boys and she's always been a little Ron Paul'ish and the two oldest twins just started school and she's doing it at home with the other two littles she's awesome. Proud of her big time. And they sold their house in Springville UT for bookoo bucks above purchase price 6 years ago and with the equity/payout bought home cash in Independence KS again, they're freaking awesome
Anyways, yeah I think the parents being so lax and not involved with children's education allowed educators to sneak in full blown left type policies. It's been in the works for a couple decades..... Never thought it would actually go down like this. I've no kids so I didn't see or look for or really notice much besides what I heard people talk about at work. So I have a very limited range of input into my claim of 'two decades' but for sure at least a decade the left take over of public education actually been planned out. Crap, just think now, it prolly like 4 or 5 decades in the making actually.

White guilt, white privilege, you're not allowed to join the discussion if you're against what we say, etc.

Good to hear four? people speak out about this!

I think they should sue next, if things continue as they are now.

Utahns have not voted correctly . I am SURE unfit mitt is behind a lot of this curriculum. Utah has changed faster than you think since you vote unfit in..Your vote does matter. The curriculum is given free from the fed and state. I'm sure if state gets funds to push it.

On the radio station I listen to, it was reported that Iowa will NOT teach the fed curriculum (the curriculum in Jordan)- they reused it- also Nebraska and South Dakotan have refused the same curriculum. A lot easier for lazy teachers to teach just from the book rather than spend time developing lessons that are correct. You can only blame yourselves, not just parents. Voters watched out for your kids when they were in school. pay it back
btw check the entertainment for kids - same thing

woops : not sure
Iowa refused it

also real easy for Administrators to just accept anything that is free rather than take time to investigate with proper committees what they are getting. They get paid by you. school board were voted in by you

I have come to a realization that I have failed as a parent in many of the duties and responsibilities of parenthood.

My kids got great grades, and I seldom talked about "what they learned in school that day".
When I did ask, they'd say a partial sentence, a couple of grunts, and be easily interrupted by the rest of the commotion of family life.

So if it didn't seem broke, I didn't know anything needed fixing.
I was unaware of the insidious creeping liberal attitudes, beliefs and values being inculcated into my kids souls.

Now they are gone, out of the house at university, being fed more and more worldly mish-mash of partial truth mingled with the strong and lauded philosophies of men.

I'm not even sure if they will remain life long conservatives, and will likely sway from the personal path I have set.

Is there anything that can be done? Any action, words or service I can perform in the last of their formative years, as they race to the finish line of education and get out into the world..??

Good ol Utah Mormon Culture taught for decades that only nut jobs and outcasts did homeschool. Send them to the public schools, just make sure they enroll in Seminary.

Brigham warned the Saints about public education, but then didn't provide an alternative.

tribrac wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 5:03 pm Good ol Utah Mormon Culture taught for decades that only nut jobs and outcasts did homeschool. Send them to the public schools, just make sure they enroll in Seminary.

Brigham warned the Saints about public education, but then didn't provide an alternative.

Not true. He did provide an alternative in setting up Zion's Academies and Zion's schools (that later became the seminaries and institutes) but insisted that parents pay something (even if just a little) to send their kids there. So as a result, the good LDS people "followed the prophet" by keeping their money and took the free federal education.
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Revealed Educational Principles, by Jack Monnett, PhD (2014)

Jack Monnett has been referred to as “the father of modern LDS education.”
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His book,”Revealed Educational Principles” has become a pivotal book in the LDS home schooling movement. It historically demonstrates that the Church has had reservations about the educational role of government and the secular nature of public learning. This book was named as “Book of the Year” by the LDS Home Educators’ Association. This NEW edition has been updated with information for the challenges of today and features a foreword by Scott N. Bradley.

If you are homeschooling your children – or considering it – you must read this book.

It is the same in a host of different ways today.

Are you sure that schools run by the church would be any better then secular schools are today? Look at catholic schools.

CosmicMind wrote: ↑March 25th, 2021, 9:04 pm
The backlash for all this crap is going to come. And when it does, I wouldn't want to be a black person.

And this, my friend, is exactly what the Luciferian Left is hoping for! They are wishing for a violent backlash against black people as it will exonerate their false narrative.

Here is the solution... Be proud of your family heritage; I'm proud of being a white person of western European descent. I'm proud of my British and Australian ancestors that stood up to popular European dictators. I'm proud of those cultural and political institutions we inherited in the 1890s from both Great Britain and the USA that make Australia famously free yet famously egalitarian.

BUT, I'm aware that black people have had a rough ride at the hands of colonialism in my country. I'm also aware that there is still a way to go to give them a fair go. But I also know that dividing black Australians against white Australians is not the way forward. This is what you need to teach your kids in your own political context.

Wish we hadn’t made fun of homeschoolers for so long, maybe more people would be doing it.

Lots of parents have had the opportunity to homeschool with COVID shutdowns, it has been a wake up for many thankfully.

I still don’t understand why LDS with a 2-parent home don’t homeschool.

markharr wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 7:47 am Are you sure that schools run by the church would be any better then secular schools are today? Look at catholic schools.

They would be better because the kids can be free to speak of God which is huge to developing kids. It wouldn’t include some of the garbage taught in sex Ed.

However, it still won’t be as good as homeschool.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 8:46 am

markharr wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 7:47 am Are you sure that schools run by the church would be any better then secular schools are today? Look at catholic schools.

They would be better because the kids can be free to speak of God which is huge to developing kids. It wouldn’t include some of the garbage taught in sex Ed.

However, it still won’t be as good as homeschool.

Maybe, but I think they would be hiring the same marxist trained teachers from our public university system that the public schools are hiring.

Look at KSL as an example. Owned by the church, still hiring marxist reporters straight out of college.

markharr wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 8:49 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 8:46 am

markharr wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 7:47 am Are you sure that schools run by the church would be any better then secular schools are today? Look at catholic schools.

They would be better because the kids can be free to speak of God which is huge to developing kids. It wouldn’t include some of the garbage taught in sex Ed.

However, it still won’t be as good as homeschool.

Maybe, but I think they would be hiring the same marxist trained teachers from our public university system that the public schools are hiring.

Look at KSL as an example. Owned by the church, still hiring marxist reporters straight out of college.

If the church doesn’t offer anything better in a church run school for kids then it’s not worth anything.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 8:59 am

markharr wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 8:49 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 8:46 am

markharr wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 7:47 am Are you sure that schools run by the church would be any better then secular schools are today? Look at catholic schools.

They would be better because the kids can be free to speak of God which is huge to developing kids. It wouldn’t include some of the garbage taught in sex Ed.

However, it still won’t be as good as homeschool.

Maybe, but I think they would be hiring the same marxist trained teachers from our public university system that the public schools are hiring.

Look at KSL as an example. Owned by the church, still hiring marxist reporters straight out of college.

If the church doesn’t offer anything better in a church run school for kids then it’s not worth anything.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of the teachers pushing this garbage are BYU graduates

A true dilemma. Better teach correct principles at home and correct school teachings every day. But, homeschooling is terrible. I have NEVER once seen a child homeschooled that can fit into society. If you think you have seen such, then I suppose you either ignore their awkward strangeness or don't care about being societal, which is playing even more into the "wear a mask", "don't be social", "hide from truth", etc....

School education is mostly to prepare a child to go into society. Having homeshooled church, homeschooled school, etc... is an injustice. Sorry for being frank. But, those are the types of children the go wild when finally let lose or worse and turn to more strange behaviors because they are so uncomfortable in public.

Feel free to disagree, I'm only 65, and have seen this for many, many years in several states across US.I've seen many children grow up. And I have personally seen no exceptions.

I applaud these parents.

But these same parents will pay through the nose to send their kids to universities that are far worse.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 10:11 am A true dilemma. Better teach correct principles at home and correct school teachings every day. But, homeschooling is terrible. I have NEVER once seen a child homeschooled that can fit into society. If you think you have seen such, then I suppose you either ignore their awkward strangeness or don't care about being societal, which is playing even more into the "wear a mask", "don't be social", "hide from truth", etc....

School education is mostly to prepare a child to go into society. Having homeshooled church, homeschooled school, etc... is an injustice. Sorry for being frank. But, those are the types of children the go wild when finally let lose or worse and turn to more strange behaviors because they are so uncomfortable in public.

Feel free to disagree, I'm only 65, and have seen this for many, many years in several states across US.I've seen many children grow up. And I have personally seen no exceptions.

20 years ago I would agree. Today no way. I'll take my kids being "socially awkward" if it means no LGBTQ+ indoctrination, no bullying, no liberal indoctrination, etc.

The most important thing to teach your kids is how to pass down your values down to the next generation. It's about impossible to do so now with society so far left. I'll take my kids being "socially awkward" if it means they can (in no particular order) a) find a great spouse b) have lots of kids c) be hard working contributing members of society d) worship God. Anything else is just gravy.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 10:11 am A true dilemma. Better teach correct principles at home and correct school teachings every day. But, homeschooling is terrible. I have NEVER once seen a child homeschooled that can fit into society. If you think you have seen such, then I suppose you either ignore their awkward strangeness or don't care about being societal, which is playing even more into the "wear a mask", "don't be social", "hide from truth", etc....

School education is mostly to prepare a child to go into society. Having homeshooled church, homeschooled school, etc... is an injustice. Sorry for being frank. But, those are the types of children the go wild when finally let lose or worse and turn to more strange behaviors because they are so uncomfortable in public.

Feel free to disagree, I'm only 65, and have seen this for many, many years in several states across US.I've seen many children grow up. And I have personally seen no exceptions.

Holy cow, I’m freely disagreeing. Thanks for offering up the suggestion.

I have seen just as many socially awkward children in the public schools, just the same.

What a blanket statement about homeschooling.

Like I said feel free to disagree. But, statistics don't lie. And I also said and agree it takes parents reviewing and working with their kids at home to keep them straight. But, sure home school send them off to college and see what becomes of them. I think it is far better to public school and take them by the hand as they go through it so they have all the ughooo's while you are there to help them through it. My kids are fine.They were all raised predominantly in Seattle area schools. They've been at these strange teachings for years. My wife and I spent many hours correcting truths, even challenging teachers. But, it is worth it. IMO.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 5:50 pm Like I said feel free to disagree. But, statistics don't lie. And I also said and agree it takes parents reviewing and working with their kids at home to keep them straight. But, sure home school send them off to college and see what becomes of them. I think it is far better to public school and take them by the hand as they go through it so they have all the ughooo's while you are there to help them through it. My kids are fine.They were all raised predominantly in Seattle area schools. They've been at these strange teachings for years. My wife and I spent many hours correcting truths, even challenging teachers. But, it is worth it. IMO.

"Teaching these strange teachings for years". They have been "progressive"/liberal for decades but it's a whole new level now. Umm, no they haven't. Critical Race theory in high school is a very recent thing. So is LGBTQ+.

Yeah, I'll definitely take my chances and home school and send them off to college. I guarantee you they will be better prepared, harder worker and more moral than 95% of the kids out there.

Dude, you really have no idea how bad it has gotten do you? 20 or even 10 years ago I would agree with you; today-no way in hell I'll send my kids into public school.

And you can shove your statistics, they are based off of data from 20+ years ago. Dude, the world has changed and that is what is so incredibly frustrating and one reason why part of me can't wait for the blasted baby boomers to get out of the way.

The baby boomer conservatives think the world is the same as when they grew up, oh just a little worse, the Church is really still conservative (they just "can't" say anything b/c of "the world"). Geez, man wake up and smell the coffee. It ain't the same world, it's not the same public schools, it's not just a "little" liberal bias, it's not the same "church"; it's indoctrination camps designed to turn your child into a traditional value hating punk who hates his parents and everything associated with them.

There is not a single large scale entity to enforce conservative traditional values anymore. EVERY SINGLE group has been undermined. Boy Scouts-done. LDS Church-done.

10+ years ago, one could send a child to public school, but there were still plenty of large scale conservative traditional organizations that one could send their kids to in order for them to get a different viewpoint that would sway or persuade them to another side. That doesn't exist anymore.

Again, every single institution is now left-that's a fact (and going hard-core left real fast). So the only thing any reasonable parent can do is remove their child from the system.