LDS Freedom Forum

4Joshua8 wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:22 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:03 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 6:59 pm

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 5:07 pm

I cringe when people say "the church said X" or "the church teaches Y".

The church is the entire body of membership. So I lean towards phrases life "our leaders" and "church leaders" to emphasize the institutional/hierarchical nature of my comments... for clarity.

Looks like someone is cringe no matter how we phrase things.

I prefer to say 'our church rulers' or 'our church overlords'

I humbly kneel before those "rulers" or "overlords" if they posses the Keys of the Kingdom

While I admire humility, which can be described as a "Thy will be done" attitude towards God, His true servants will tell kneelers to please get off their knees and to not treat them like they're God as opposed to treating them like they're fellow servants.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:18 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:11 pm

4Joshua8 wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:09 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 6:56 pm

When Isaiah speaks about watchman, it could elude that those at the head of the church are even more at fault than those following. Hence calling them “dumb dogs.”

Dumb watchdogs who don't stand and bark at approaching danger. Yes, Isaiah's prophecy rips into church officers, or His covenant people's appointed watchmen (not to be confused with the other watchmen who will actually watch and warn) with a striking tone of warning that ought to influence us to pay more attention to what he's saying.

From Isaiah 56:

Jehovah curses the blind watchmen of his people but exalts his servants who hold fast to his covenant.

"Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware; all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds. They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage. Come, they say, let us get wine and have our fill of liquor. For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!"

Note that elsewhere Isaiah calls the drunkenness not on alcohol but on delusion, or the misleading of the mind...not that it can't also mean being old-fashioned drunk.

That last part, with tomorrow being like today only better, reminds me of the requests for prayers to return to normal... I've felt gut-punched about that since I first heard it. Normal is Babylon. Normal is wickedness. What we need isn't a tomorrow like today or "better" in the sense of more Babylonian prosperity, but we need actual repentance.

Could you imagine how lost we'd feel in this current time if we didn't have what Isaiah wrote for us?!?!?

People would only be lost if they didn’t have the guiding spirit with them.
Isaiah is wonderful and full of useful stuff, even Christ referenced Isaiah more than anything else. However, the spirit can guide us.

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 6:41 pm About wearing masks


I was with you when this all started a year ago. I did my shopping at Smith's and stuck out like a sore thumb
without a mask. I thought it was a bunch of silly nonsense.

But when the Prophet told us to be kind to one another and wear masks, my heart was softened.

My parents are elderly and are terrified by this. They rarely leave the house, I do their shopping for them.
I wear a mask now, not because I believe in it, but for other people. If those poor old people I see doing their
own shopping can feel a little safer if they see me with a mask, it is a small thing i can do for my fellow brothers
and sisters.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:46 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 6:41 pm About wearing masks


I was with you when this all started a year ago. I did my shopping at Smith's and stuck out like a sore thumb
without a mask. I thought it was a bunch of silly nonsense.

But when the Prophet told us to be kind to one another and wear masks, my heart was softened.

My parents are elderly and are terrified by this. They rarely leave the house, I do their shopping for them.
I wear a mask now, not because I believe in it, but for other people. If those poor old people I see doing their
own shopping can feel a little safer if they see me with a mask, it is a small thing i can do for my fellow brothers
and sisters.

I see what you mean.

I will continue to not wear a mask because people need to know that they don’t have to be afraid. If we continue to comply, mandates will keep coming.

By wearing the mask even if you know it is wrong, you are signifying to them that it’s ok and telling them there’s still something to fear. Their fear is based on a lie, and I don’t want to be a part of fanning those flames. It needs to end.

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:17 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 7:46 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 6:41 pm About wearing masks


I was with you when this all started a year ago. I did my shopping at Smith's and stuck out like a sore thumb
without a mask. I thought it was a bunch of silly nonsense.

But when the Prophet told us to be kind to one another and wear masks, my heart was softened.

My parents are elderly and are terrified by this. They rarely leave the house, I do their shopping for them.
I wear a mask now, not because I believe in it, but for other people. If those poor old people I see doing their
own shopping can feel a little safer if they see me with a mask, it is a small thing i can do for my fellow brothers
and sisters.

I see what you mean.

I will continue to not wear a mask because people need to know that they don’t have to be afraid. If we continue to comply, mandates will keep coming.

By wearing the mask even if you know it is wrong, you are signifying to them that it’s ok and telling them there’s still something to fear. Their fear is based on a lie, and I don’t want to be a part of fanning those flames. It needs to end.

What I believe of the matter became irrelevant when the Prophet asked us to. As for me and my house, I will follow the Lord.

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:22 pm Gadianton Slayer, it really pains me to be harsh to you. You have given me, a new guy, thumbs up, and i
have really appreciated you.

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:30 pm Gadianton Slayer, i promise you, if the day ever comes that the Prophet turns against our Lord,
.... well i don't even need to finish this, it won't happen

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:33 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:30 pm Gadianton Slayer, i promise you, if the day ever comes that the Prophet turns against our Lord,
.... well i don't even need to finish this, it won't happen

It's not the prophet turning against the Lord. It's the members making the prophet their god. Taking everything little thing he says as 'thus saith the Lord'. Claiming he cannot err in his push of the vaxxeen, etc.
That's the kinda stuff talked about here.

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:37 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:33 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:30 pm Gadianton Slayer, i promise you, if the day ever comes that the Prophet turns against our Lord,
.... well i don't even need to finish this, it won't happen

It's not the prophet turning against the Lord. It's the members making the prophet their god. Taking everything little thing he says as 'thus saith the Lord'. Claiming he cannot err in his push of the vaxxeen, etc.
That's the kinda stuff talked about here.

You are absolutely right, I really miss the days when we heard often from our Prophets, "Thus saith the Lord"

However, maybe we should count our blessings. In the past, when we heard "Thus saith the Lord", it
was usually followed by some very difficult things for us to do. (Like polygamy, or united order)

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:37 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:33 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:30 pm Gadianton Slayer, i promise you, if the day ever comes that the Prophet turns against our Lord,
.... well i don't even need to finish this, it won't happen

It's not the prophet turning against the Lord. It's the members making the prophet their god. Taking everything little thing he says as 'thus saith the Lord'. Claiming he cannot err in his push of the vaxxeen, etc.
That's the kinda stuff talked about here.

You are absolutely right, I really miss the days when we heard often from our Prophets, "Thus saith the Lord"

However, maybe we should count our blessings. In the past, when we heard "Thus saith the Lord", it
was usually followed by some very difficult things for us to do. (Like polygamy, or united order)

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:50 pm I don't know if Joseph practiced polygamy or not, I guess I will have to
ask him next time i see him

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:56 pm I also need to tell Cruiserdude i appreciate the thumbs up he has given me, but that
wont let you get away with dissing the Prophet of God

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:56 pm I also need to tell Cruiserdude i appreciate the thumbs up he has given me, but that
wont let you get away with dissing the Prophet of God

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:33 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:30 pm Gadianton Slayer, i promise you, if the day ever comes that the Prophet turns against our Lord,
.... well i don't even need to finish this, it won't happen

It's not the prophet turning against the Lord. It's the members making the prophet their god. Taking everything little thing he says as 'thus saith the Lord'. Claiming he cannot err in his push of the vaxxeen, etc.
That's the kinda stuff talked about here.

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:33 pm

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 10:30 pm Gadianton Slayer, i promise you, if the day ever comes that the Prophet turns against our Lord,
.... well i don't even need to finish this, it won't happen

It's not the prophet turning against the Lord. It's the members making the prophet their god. Taking everything little thing he says as 'thus saith the Lord'. Claiming he cannot err in his push of the vaxxeen, etc.
That's the kinda stuff talked about here.

your splitting hairs

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 11:05 pm I cant talk about the vax, i dont know what to do, i really dont want to take it, but my
family is all taking it. Has the Prophet said one way or the other on the vax?

greatFearerofGod wrote: ↑March 24th, 2021, 11:08 pm See, He is inspired