Drip, drip, drip

[NewEliza]

I take that as a compliment

There is an interesting story about Eliza R snow, her brother returned home from overseas and could tell that she was keeping something from him. (It was her plural marriage to Joseph) he was practically begging her to tell him about it, but she felt it was not her place to teach him,even though she wanted to tell him everything. So she told him to go ask joseph.

There is a similar aprocyphal story about Mary and the Savior. The disciples wanted information from her, but she was unwilling to teach them because although she had knowledge, it was not her role to teach them.

It was a compliment, your amazingly stalwart in your beliefs.

If your viewing the not teaching men thing the way your describing it here then I have quite a different view of it....From where I come from that’s could be called pulling the woman card, haha.

If women keep themselves in a way -below men- or under the shelter of men, then they keep themselves from growing up, maturing in many ways, not increasing their strength or confidence in some crucial areas and best of all, get to hide.

If a woman gets sealed to another man without her husbands knowledge then she was swindled by a man not her spouse and no wonder she didn’t tell him, haha. Her husband was her Stewart, and only him. She didn’t want to be anything but a “woman” ie the weaker helpless sex. It’s a card played to my utter annoyance by women either to get out of trouble, blame stupid acts on a man or to beguile a man with her female tricks.

So if the idea of never being a counselor, president or teacher or anything to men is this....I wholeheartedly reject the swindling notion.

Possible these changes in the church are a huge test for men but more so for women. The temple changes, come follow me at home, women being asked to discover their role in the priesthood any new supposed leadership roles etc are getting women out of the safe covering of their husbands and leaders. To some this will bring out a new respectful maturity and opportunity to make a difference and to others they will ride the women’s equal rights card to their misunderstood demise.

I just believe very highly the what I think is the natural order of things, for humans that’s a “patriarchal order”.

I think woman certainly have the ability to lead and are probably more suited or better choices in many instances. But I think men should learn from their “fathers” and women rule over their children.

Like in the old temple endowment

One of the problems is that all these early brethren in the 1800's used this phrase "patriarchal order" to mean a husband has the right to rule over his wife because of his priesthood. It's a complete misunderstanding of the order of the priesthood we enter into when we go through the temple and are sealed as husband and wife. It is an order of the priesthood, priests and priestesses. It is the order of parents. It is truly a matriarchal and patriarchal order. The term "patriarchal order" isn't even used in scripture. It is simply the priesthood authority of a covenant parent.

I agree, it is a totally matriarchal and patriarchal order. But it still seems to be organized along the male line

[Sarah]

It was a compliment, your amazingly stalwart in your beliefs.

If your viewing the not teaching men thing the way your describing it here then I have quite a different view of it....From where I come from that’s could be called pulling the woman card, haha.

If women keep themselves in a way -below men- or under the shelter of men, then they keep themselves from growing up, maturing in many ways, not increasing their strength or confidence in some crucial areas and best of all, get to hide.

If a woman gets sealed to another man without her husbands knowledge then she was swindled by a man not her spouse and no wonder she didn’t tell him, haha. Her husband was her Stewart, and only him. She didn’t want to be anything but a “woman” ie the weaker helpless sex. It’s a card played to my utter annoyance by women either to get out of trouble, blame stupid acts on a man or to beguile a man with her female tricks.

So if the idea of never being a counselor, president or teacher or anything to men is this....I wholeheartedly reject the swindling notion.

Possible these changes in the church are a huge test for men but more so for women. The temple changes, come follow me at home, women being asked to discover their role in the priesthood any new supposed leadership roles etc are getting women out of the safe covering of their husbands and leaders. To some this will bring out a new respectful maturity and opportunity to make a difference and to others they will ride the women’s equal rights card to their misunderstood demise.

I just believe very highly the what I think is the natural order of things, for humans that’s a “patriarchal order”.

I think woman certainly have the ability to lead and are probably more suited or better choices in many instances. But I think men should learn from their “fathers” and women rule over their children.

Like in the old temple endowment

One of the problems is that all these early brethren in the 1800's used this phrase "patriarchal order" to mean a husband has the right to rule over his wife because of his priesthood. It's a complete misunderstanding of the order of the priesthood we enter into when we go through the temple and are sealed as husband and wife. It is an order of the priesthood, priests and priestesses. It is the order of parents. It is truly a matriarchal and patriarchal order. The term "patriarchal order" isn't even used in scripture. It is simply the priesthood authority of a covenant parent.

I agree, it is a totally matriarchal and patriarchal order. But it still seems to be organized along the male line

Yes, passed on from father to son. And also the stories indicate that who the mother is is an important aspect as well.