BYU Raynbow day 3/4/21

[Pazooka]

Are we already in Hell?

...it just feels to me like Heaven is absolutely sealed up to us. I just feel like there is nearly 0 prophetic relationship between God and us at the moment. As you put it, "are we in hell?"

I feel the same way. And all these internet prophets aren’t helping. We are assured an ensign will be lifted, so at least there’s the hope of that. The world is currently our prison.

[EmmaLee]

The Church closed its temples and cancelled church meetings willingly, before the government told them to.

The Church is continuing with forcing members to wear masks, and "social distance", and slather up with antibacterial gel, etc. if they want to attend sacrament meeting with fellow members in the church building, after the government told them the mask mandate has been removed and there are no attendance restrictions.

The Church is making all these changes accepting the homosexual culture/language, etc. before the government has told them they have to.

I do not believe today's Church is making these Satanic changes because of the government at all. I think today's Church leaders are gladly and happily making all these changes, and will continue to do so - regardless of any laws or what government may or may not tell them to do.

[seaanemone]

interesting day at BYU. I didn't go there, and I wouldn't send my kids there. Progressive Looneyville University these days. actually, I don't think I would recommend any 4 year university or college in the USA at this point. Better to go get an IT or welding certificate from a community college.

beards are not ok, but gay pride is perfectly acceptable? welcome to Honk World, Provo style.

John 8

1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Proverbs 6
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Ezekiel 16
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

[Sunain]

https://twitter.com/BYU/status/1367676851343085571

What did the church do to stop this? And did BYU call the police to arrest those people up there trespassing and putting the lights there?

The students held their lights on the “Y” for an hour, as planned, wrapping up at 9 p.m. When they returned to the trailhead, there were some police cars from the university in the parking lot. But no individuals were stopped or questioned.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... byu-light/

[Lizzy60]

https://twitter.com/BYU/status/1367676851343085571

What did the church do to stop this? And did BYU call the police to arrest those people up there trespassing and putting the lights there?

The students held their lights on the “Y” for an hour, as planned, wrapping up at 9 p.m. When they returned to the trailhead, there were some police cars from the university in the parking lot. But no individuals were stopped or questioned.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... byu-light/

I’m betting that the university police cars were there to make sure the Rainbow Agenda students were not harassed by any Proclamation-believing haters/homophobes.

Yep, upside-down, good is evil, evil is righteous, we traditionalists are toast.

[Alexander]

https://twitter.com/stalkedstel/status/ ... 2416484353

[EmmaLee]

https://twitter.com/stalkedstel/status/ ... 2416484353

One of the saddest things about this, ^ is that I have no problem believing it. Especially in addition to what I've been told by current students (and their parents).

[nightlight]

https://twitter.com/stalkedstel/status/ ... 2416484353

I don't get it?

[Alexander]

https://twitter.com/stalkedstel/status/ ... 2416484353

I don't get it?

"Tell me all the places you've had gay sex on BYU campus, and I'll put them in a list and parade it around."
-girl on twitter

[nightlight]

[Cruiserdude]

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https://mobile.twitter.com/the_bradpad/ ... 7012517888
Check the comments..... A real martyr huh?
It's crazy how faux counterfeit heroism has just completely enveloped the world.

[mudflap]

https://twitter.com/BYU/status/1367676851343085571

What did the church do to stop this? And did BYU call the police to arrest those people up there trespassing and putting the lights there?

The students held their lights on the “Y” for an hour, as planned, wrapping up at 9 p.m. When they returned to the trailhead, there were some police cars from the university in the parking lot. But no individuals were stopped or questioned.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... byu-light/

wow. did nothing to stop it, and no one was questioned. but taking down flyers supporting the family was a big problem.

- 2A banned at church
- Moroni drops his trumpet
- The Y gets a gay rainbow

hmmmm....

remember when the Baltimore mayor gave "those who wish to destroy space to do that as well."? that's worked out well - folks abandoning the city in droves now.

remember when mormons were weird and use buckets of wheat to hold up their beds? ahhh, the salad days....

[h_p]

So would you think 50% of members support the rainbow? Too low? How many dont oppenly support it but are tired of being called haters?

Several years ago I posted a link here to a survey that showed a majority of LDS Millennials were in favor of gay marriage. Quote from my post:

The survey found that 40 percent of Mormons in the United States supported gay marriage in 2017, up from 27 percent in 2014. Among Mormons between the ages of 18-29, the acceptance is 52 percent. That's up from 43 percent in 2014.

I'm really curious to see what the past 4 years has done to those numbers. Those are some very significant increases, and that was only from 2014-2017. But I doubt we'll ever see another survey about it again, since we're way past that topic. Now we've moved on to arguing about whether men are men and women are women. How far we've regressed...

(btw, found the article again: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/05/0 ... n-the-rise)

[samizdat]

To be honest, I think the divide towards the favorables for LGBT+ started with the Millennials but is more prescient with Gen Z. At least among the Gentiles.

[NewEliza]

To be honest, I think the divide towards the favorables for LGBT+ started with the Millennials but is more prescient with Gen Z. At least among the Gentiles.

Nope, it’s the millennials’/gen zs’ mothers. They’re the ones fueling it all.

[BeNotDeceived]

Are we already in Hell?

Nope.

More like 11 days into a month of years that began in 2010.

[EmmaLee]

Is that John Dehlin?

Speaking of Dehlin - here's his FB post about the event -

Last night a group of LGBTQ BYU students climbed to the “Y” and lit it up in rainbow colors in commemoration of the BYU LBGTQ Honor Code fiasco of last year. HUGE props to these students for finding such a positive, fabulous way to express their pride. The Tribune names Bradley Talbot as the leader of this event. Photo credits from Y mountain go to Natalie King.

So many kudos to all of these Cougar heroes. RISE AND SHOUT, THE COUGARS ARE OUT!!!!!

BYU’s official response was dour and un-fabulous of course: “BYU did not authorize the lighting of the Y tonight.” What a missed opportunity.

Finally, kudos to Imagine Dragons frontman Dan Reynolds for always having the back of LGBTQ Mormons, and for calling on BYU to do/be better (see images attached).

A friendly note to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Until you fix your broken and all-too-often deadly LGBTQ doctrine and policies, all of your efforts to save your (slowly) dying church amount to rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

The solution? Just fix your LGBTQ doctrine and policies. That’s why you HAVE “ongoing revelation.” SO USE IT!!!! Time for some rainbow revelation.



John Dehlin

[EmmaLee]

This quote seems applicable on this thread -

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[tribrac]

This pandemic only paused the momentum. You can see all the changes the church has already made amount to nothing to Dehlin. He won't be satisfied until they declare a revelation from God changing the doctrine.

Imho, the church's strategy of conciliation and small concessions has contributed to the confusion for everyone from traditionalists to the free love crowd.

Who called it the Kmart strategy?
"Kmart sucks Ray."

Just do what they are goung to do and get over it. The Gentile's fates are sealed anway, why prolong the torture?

[EmmaLee]

This pandemic only paused the momentum. You can see all the changes the church has already made amount to nothing to Dehlin. He won't be satisfied until they declare a revelation from God changing the doctrine.

Welp, according to h_p's post on the previous page, it's about 1/2 the church membership that think/feel the same as Dehlin - and that was several years ago - numbers are definitely higher now. Stick a fork in it (i.e. we're done).

The survey found that 40 percent of Mormons in the United States supported gay marriage in 2017, up from 27 percent in 2014. Among Mormons between the ages of 18-29, the acceptance is 52 percent. That's up from 43 percent in 2014.

I'm really curious to see what the past 4 years has done to those numbers. Those are some very significant increases, and that was only from 2014-2017. But I doubt we'll ever see another survey about it again, since we're way past that topic. Now we've moved on to arguing about whether men are men and women are women. How far we've regressed...

(btw, found the article again: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/05/0 ... n-the-rise)

[Cruiserdude]

Is that John Dehlin?

Speaking of Dehlin - here's his FB post about the event -

Last night a group of LGBTQ BYU students climbed to the “Y” and lit it up in rainbow colors in commemoration of the BYU LBGTQ Honor Code fiasco of last year. HUGE props to these students for finding such a positive, fabulous way to express their pride. The Tribune names Bradley Talbot as the leader of this event. Photo credits from Y mountain go to Natalie King.

So many kudos to all of these Cougar heroes. RISE AND SHOUT, THE COUGARS ARE OUT!!!!!

BYU’s official response was dour and un-fabulous of course: “BYU did not authorize the lighting of the Y tonight.” What a missed opportunity.

Finally, kudos to Imagine Dragons frontman Dan Reynolds for always having the back of LGBTQ Mormons, and for calling on BYU to do/be better (see images attached).

A friendly note to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Until you fix your broken and all-too-often deadly LGBTQ doctrine and policies, all of your efforts to save your (slowly) dying church amount to rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

The solution? Just fix your LGBTQ doctrine and policies. That’s why you HAVE “ongoing revelation.” SO USE IT!!!! Time for some rainbow revelation.



John Dehlin

I don't get to see much from what basically amounts to the opposite end of the 'family proclamation doctrine' spectrum. I found it interesting.

So the lgbtq feel the church isn't doing enough for them.
Then the folks in the 'traditional family/traditional plan of salvation' side of it feels the church is doing TOO MUCH to accommodate the lgbtq.
Lol kinda funny

[EmmaLee]

Is that John Dehlin?

Speaking of Dehlin - here's his FB post about the event -

Last night a group of LGBTQ BYU students climbed to the “Y” and lit it up in rainbow colors in commemoration of the BYU LBGTQ Honor Code fiasco of last year. HUGE props to these students for finding such a positive, fabulous way to express their pride. The Tribune names Bradley Talbot as the leader of this event. Photo credits from Y mountain go to Natalie King.

So many kudos to all of these Cougar heroes. RISE AND SHOUT, THE COUGARS ARE OUT!!!!!

BYU’s official response was dour and un-fabulous of course: “BYU did not authorize the lighting of the Y tonight.” What a missed opportunity.

Finally, kudos to Imagine Dragons frontman Dan Reynolds for always having the back of LGBTQ Mormons, and for calling on BYU to do/be better (see images attached).

A friendly note to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Until you fix your broken and all-too-often deadly LGBTQ doctrine and policies, all of your efforts to save your (slowly) dying church amount to rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

The solution? Just fix your LGBTQ doctrine and policies. That’s why you HAVE “ongoing revelation.” SO USE IT!!!! Time for some rainbow revelation.



John Dehlin

I don't get to see much from what basically amounts to the opposite end of the 'family proclamation doctrine' spectrum. I found it interesting.

So the lgbtq feel the church isn't doing enough for them.
Then the folks in the 'traditional family/traditional plan of salvation' side of it feels the church is doing TOO MUCH to accommodate the lgbtq.
Lol kinda funny

Indeed. That's the Church straddling the fence and trying to play both sides. What happens when something is pulled hard from both ends? It usually splits.

[gkearney]

This is what happens when you put electric lights on the Y. They should go back to lighting the Y with torches.

[tribrac]

I feel like it os comming. Good PR (or crowd manipulation) helps people arrive at a conclusion by themselves before the offical announcement. I think they are there.

Almost 2 years ago I had a conversation with my friend who is very smart, and with zero guile. He is the truest most humble follower I know, traditional and very conservative. He told me all about D. Todd Christophersons book and how excited he was to learn gays are just like us and how there is a place in Gods kingdom and the church for them.

When they finally announce the new revelation or policy he will instantly support it. And will probably be a Stake President.

But what will I do? That's really the only question here. How will you receive it?

[EmmaLee]

But what will I do? That's really the only question here. How will you receive it?

Same way I received their asinine statements such as that wearing masks is "Christlike", and that the gene altering shot is a "godsend", and that giving millions of tithing dollars to evil organizations is in any way a good thing, etc. etc. etc. and then I will continue to do my best to follow Jesus - the only being we should be following. He'll let us know what to do/where to go from there.