BYU Raynbow day 3/4/21

[CosmicMind]

I'm strictly speaking of sealing. If the Government ever got to the point where they'd force Mormons to do perform any marriage ordinances....it's going to be real mormon marriages (sealings) .

I think where we'll be saved is that we make a distinction between civil marriages, which are controlled by the government and temple sealings, something the government can have no control over. The church will just get out of the civil marriage business completely and just require members to present a marriage certificate during the sealing application process.

I don't think so. This juggernaut ain't stopping until one side wins convincingly. It is a battle to the death. There is absolutely no way the LGBTQ+ crowd just quits at having "marriages" in the Church but no sealings. Anyone who thinks that will be the end, doesn't understand the enemy well enough.

Either homosexuals and their allies are kicked out of the Church-full stop. Or the Church will do sealings for them. There will never be a middle ground truce on this one.

[Lizzy60]

I'm strictly speaking of sealing. If the Government ever got to the point where they'd force Mormons to do perform any marriage ordinances....it's going to be real mormon marriages (sealings) .

I think where we'll be saved is that we make a distinction between civil marriages, which are controlled by the government and temple sealings, something the government can have no control over. The church will just get out of the civil marriage business completely and just require members to present a marriage certificate during the sealing application process.

That could work except for two big factors that will prevent this compromise. First of all, the Equality Act. This will try to prevent a church from denying any LGBTQ person anything that traditional church members can have. The other thing is the LDS LGBTQ and their allies who are ranting that the Church does great harm when they teach that their is no gay marriage in heaven. They say this marginalizes them, ostracizes them from family and friends who can be sealed when they cannot, and causes suicidal thoughts, etc.

[CosmicMind]

I'm strictly speaking of sealing. If the Government ever got to the point where they'd force Mormons to do perform any marriage ordinances....it's going to be real mormon marriages (sealings) .

I think where we'll be saved is that we make a distinction between civil marriages, which are controlled by the government and temple sealings, something the government can have no control over. The church will just get out of the civil marriage business completely and just require members to present a marriage certificate during the sealing application process.

That could work except for two big factors that will prevent this compromise. First of all, the Equality Act. This will try to prevent a church from denying any LGBTQ person anything that traditional church members can have. The other thing is the LDS LGBTQ and their allies who are ranting that the Church does great harm when they teach that their is no gay marriage in heaven. They say this marginalizes them, ostracizes them from family and friends who can be sealed when they cannot, and causes suicidal thoughts, etc.

Exactly right, people who say the Church "will never", do not understand how people work. The Church already has caved, most people just don't know it yet.

You cave on an issue the moment that you state it is acceptable to do it in your mind but not in your actions.

If it is acceptable to steal in your mind, then eventually as night follows day stealing will be normalized.

[Lizzy60]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

[4Joshua8]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

You don't happen to have a picture of that, or a link to one, do you?
Know if that's ever happened before? Or is this the first time?
That's no small thing.

[4Joshua8]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

You don't happen to have a picture of that, or a link to one, do you?
Know if that's ever happened before? Or is this the first time?
That's no small thing.

Found it:
https://kutv.com/news/local/provo-y-lit ... authorized

[Cruiserdude]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

You don't happen to have a picture of that, or a link to one, do you?
Know if that's ever happened before? Or is this the first time?
That's no small thing.

In that link

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[CosmicMind]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

You don't happen to have a picture of that, or a link to one, do you?
Know if that's ever happened before? Or is this the first time?
That's no small thing.

Found it:
https://kutv.com/news/local/provo-y-lit ... authorized

"Unauthorized"

My goodness do they really think people are THAT stupid. I'm sure they will really find the "unauthorized" individuals who did this and discipline them-more like give them a promotion/raise/congratulations.

Mormons: stupidly naïve since 1890.

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and the wikipedia page is already updated to reflect what happened today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Mountain

Mormons, stupidly naïve about the enemy they face. That takes a good bit of coordination, planning and logistics-especially since BYU owns the land around the Y and therefore to do what they did in an "unauthorized" manner is "trespassing"

[AGoodGlobalCitizen]

It's over. The abomination of desolation is in motion. The whore of Babylon crushes the world in her thighs. It's just a matter of time until the church completely walks back the Family Proclamation. They are in a tough spot, I get that. But if they truly were lead by Jehovah and were His prophets, seers, and revelators, we wouldn't be in this position.

Truly, only Jehovah can save us and fight the underlining battle all around us.

[4Joshua8]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

You don't happen to have a picture of that, or a link to one, do you?
Know if that's ever happened before? Or is this the first time?
That's no small thing.

In that link
Screenshot_20210304-210037.png

LOL. I asked for a link when one was already there. Missed it.

[CosmicMind]

It's over. The abomination of desolation is in motion. The whore of Babylon crushes the world in her thighs. It's just a matter of time until the church completely walks back the Family Proclamation. They are in a tough spot, I get that. But if they truly were lead by Jehovah's and His prophets, seers, and revelators, we wouldn't be in this position.

Truly, only Jehovah can save us and fight the underlining battle all around us.

I'm fine with the Church walking it back. They had a whole army of people just waiting to hear the call to stand up and fight-instead they wasted the resources of people who would have had the Church's back to the death.

Now, they will get a bunch of homosexuals who once they have conquered the entirety of the religion will suck it dry like a husk. Good riddance to bad rubbish. If you aren't willing to stand up when it counts, then you deserve to fall.

And I say this firmly believing in the Book of Mormon, D&C, etc. At least we had a Joseph Smith, we haven't had any good martyrs for the faith in a long while and so we shall die. If you don't have martyrs then I guess your faith wasn't that strong.

[Lizzy60]

And the Y on the mountain is lit up in rainbow colors tonight.

But never fear, BYU admin tweeted that it wasn’t “authorized”.

https://twitter.com/Papa_Ostler/status/ ... gr%5Etweet

You don't happen to have a picture of that, or a link to one, do you?
Know if that's ever happened before? Or is this the first time?
That's no small thing.

In that link
Screenshot_20210304-210037.png

LOL. I asked for a link when one was already there. Missed it.

Full disclosure — I posted without the link and then edited a minute later. You were probably typing your request whilst I was adding the link .

[CosmicMind]

They are in a tough spot, I get that.

They are not in a tough spot. That is just carrying water for them. All they had to do was stand up with a back-bone like prophets of old.

The "tough spot" is just simple the peer pressure of the world. I expect better of my prophets than to fear man more than God.

[Sunain]

I'm strictly speaking of sealing. If the Government ever got to the point where they'd force Mormons to do perform any marriage ordinances....it's going to be real mormon marriages (sealings) .

I think where we'll be saved is that we make a distinction between civil marriages, which are controlled by the government and temple sealings, something the government can have no control over. The church will just get out of the civil marriage business completely and just require members to present a marriage certificate during the sealing application process.

I don't think so. This juggernaut ain't stopping until one side wins convincingly. It is a battle to the death. There is absolutely no way the LGBTQ+ crowd just quits at having "marriages" in the Church but no sealings. Anyone who thinks that will be the end, doesn't understand the enemy well enough.

Either homosexuals and their allies are kicked out of the Church-full stop. Or the Church will do sealings for them. There will never be a middle ground truce on this one.

Oh I agree there is no question they will continue on this unrelenting path. With FamilySearch having homosexuality all setup technically, it's unfortunate that the leader of the church have allowed it to reach this point. We can be hopeful though! I guess it just has to get to a point in the last days where Jesus has to come to His church and temples and do the cleaning himself.

Seeing that picture of the Y lit up all rainbow, means everyone in Provo can see it. What are the members of the church there going to do? Will they be idle tomorrow or will they stand up to the leaders of the church to tell them to act now. If they don't, I wouldn't want to be in the Utah area as it will be where the cleansing will be the most severe.

[Pazooka]

Are we already in Hell?

[farmerchick]

Welp...how long can this go on? The toothy grins and joyful smiles.....how long? I really think the question will be answered soon....and I know I'm not alone asking the question........I also just want to say.....I know and associate with many diverse people who do things contrary to my beliefs and I am fine with that....someone who believes in something and is honest about it has my respect.....but on the flip side....the gospel of Jesus Christ should not be trifled with...and while we are all human and err, this new era of bold unadulterated sexual revolution is unnerving.....the traditional values which held us together as a society are crumbling from the Church outward....it really is astonishing and something I didn't think would happen as fast as it has......sodom and Gomorrah got nothin on us.....and we all know what happened there.....no soap and a good scrubbin will fix this......fires coming....

[AGoodGlobalCitizen]

Are we already in Hell?

Some people think Christ's Millennial Reign already occurred (and has been hidden to us) and we are in Satan's short season where he is unloosed leading up to Christ ending everything.

I think that's an interesting theory. The reason I think it might be true is it just feels to me like Heaven is absolutely sealed up to us. I just feel like there is nearly 0 prophetic relationship between God and us at the moment. As you put it, "are we in hell?"

[Dave62]

Stealing the symbol of a covenant of God to proclaim commitment to violate the law of chastity and eternal identity. Perverse. The rainbow belongs only to God.

It's why I wrote this poem (which I've shared a couple times before on this forum, in case it sounds familiar).

Heal the Broken Rainbows

Pink for perversion in sex, it's true
Red for the life that they can't have with you
Orange is for healing, though healer you fight
Yellow brings light, yet pride wanders at night
Green is for nature, that which is forsook
Turquoise for magic, counterfeit, crook
Blue harmony, shrill screams in its face
Violet's the Spirit chased out of this place

When Baker bakes flags, he's not telling the truth
Broken’s your token, climb out of your noose
Come home to the Fixer, the Healer, the Friend
Clothed in real rainbows from now through the end

Red is for love, the kind that God feels
In questions of right, it never rebels
Orange is for strength, of fire, of flame
Ask Him for help, My God is His name
Yellow is light, God's truth shows the way
And tells you, with righteousness you'll be okay
Green speaks of freedom from bondage of sin
And says Godly nature can be yours again
Blue is the blue sky of life-giving air
Breath it in deeply, release troubling care
Sincere indigo with integrity true
Align with God's law and you'll be true too
Purple is faithful patience and trust
See God, take His hand, arise from the dust

Your rainbow maligns and deceives, it's misused
You're broken, I'm broken, we've all been abused
God's rainbow shows mercy, a covenant of life
There's no Exaltation 'cept husband and wife
Your future is bright if the truth you'll embrace
Stop fighting your God, don't spit in His face
One day we'll be healed, all wrongs be made right
Come champion His rainbow, come walk in His light

4/28/2020

I reckon that is pretty good. May I share it?

[Dave62]

Welp...how long can this go on? The toothy grins and joyful smiles.....how long? I really think the question will be answered soon....and I know I'm not alone asking the question........I also just want to say.....I know and associate with many diverse people who do things contrary to my beliefs and I am fine with that....someone who believes in something and is honest about it has my respect.....but on the flip side....the gospel of Jesus Christ should not be trifled with...and while we are all human and err, this new era of bold unadulterated sexual revolution is unnerving.....the traditional values which held us together as a society are crumbling from the Church outward....it really is astonishing and something I didn't think would happen as fast as it has......sodom and Gomorrah got nothin on us.....and we all know what happened there.....no soap and a good scrubbin will fix this......fires coming....

You are spot on there, Farmerchick!

[Cruiserdude]

Stealing the symbol of a covenant of God to proclaim commitment to violate the law of chastity and eternal identity. Perverse. The rainbow belongs only to God.

It's why I wrote this poem (which I've shared a couple times before on this forum, in case it sounds familiar).

Heal the Broken Rainbows

Pink for perversion in sex, it's true
Red for the life that they can't have with you
Orange is for healing, though healer you fight
Yellow brings light, yet pride wanders at night
Green is for nature, that which is forsook
Turquoise for magic, counterfeit, crook
Blue harmony, shrill screams in its face
Violet's the Spirit chased out of this place

When Baker bakes flags, he's not telling the truth
Broken’s your token, climb out of your noose
Come home to the Fixer, the Healer, the Friend
Clothed in real rainbows from now through the end

Red is for love, the kind that God feels
In questions of right, it never rebels
Orange is for strength, of fire, of flame
Ask Him for help, My God is His name
Yellow is light, God's truth shows the way
And tells you, with righteousness you'll be okay
Green speaks of freedom from bondage of sin
And says Godly nature can be yours again
Blue is the blue sky of life-giving air
Breath it in deeply, release troubling care
Sincere indigo with integrity true
Align with God's law and you'll be true too
Purple is faithful patience and trust
See God, take His hand, arise from the dust

Your rainbow maligns and deceives, it's misused
You're broken, I'm broken, we've all been abused
God's rainbow shows mercy, a covenant of life
There's no Exaltation 'cept husband and wife
Your future is bright if the truth you'll embrace
Stop fighting your God, don't spit in His face
One day we'll be healed, all wrongs be made right
Come champion His rainbow, come walk in His light

4/28/2020

What a talent and gift you have for writing (not discounting the hard work required either )

[Vision]

Prop 8 was only 13 years ago, what happened to our church?

They supported prop 8 instead of getting the church out of the marriage business. Let the government own the marriage business. The Sealing is the ordinance portion of a temple wedding, not the marriage.

[InfoWarrior82]

The church won't perform gay marriage until they're federally mandated to(which I don't think is likely to happen before the usa goes boom)
Once a "law" is passed , they'll bend the knee waving the 12th Article of Faith to save face.

You think they will do gay marriage for time in temples BEFORE they would do gay sealings? I had a terrible thought that what if gov comes down on em like they did with virus and vax garb, telling leaders to push those things with their membership, and then they had the audacity to do it. To tell us to mask up and to get the vax if we cared about our brother(what garbage).
But what if gov tells church they have to do gay marriages and so the church appeases to them and allows gay for time marriage in temple.... Anyway that flies?
I still can't even see them allowing any gay marriage in there but I'm a horrible seer

I'm strictly speaking of sealing. If the Government ever got to the point where they'd force Mormons to do perform any marriage ordinances....it's going to be real mormon marriages (sealings) .
Imo
If we ever get to that point...the silk gloves will be off, all pretense will be gone. But our country is too big and citizens our too armed for these types of mandates. It will be brother vs brother before we would reach that point.

I just look at world war II and Nazi Germany on how Mormon leadership will respond to government sponsored atrocities

Of course we will be forced to do so. Unless we want to give up our 501c3 status... which the brethren absolutely do not want.

[tribrac]

Are we already in Hell?

A dear friend of mine is convinced we are. Cut off from Fathers presence. Men forced to leave their wives and children every day to labor for babylon. Women giving up the training of her children to babylon. Adult kids forced to live far away from their parents. Little freedom, no enlightenment constant barrage of immortality and temptations.

I have a hard time arguing againat him.

[tribrac]

So would you think 50% of members support the rainbow? Too low? How many dont oppenly support it but are tired of being called haters?

So if tomorrow the hanbook was changed and same sex sealings were allowed what percentage of the remaining 50% would adapt and support it too? 30% or 40% leaving just 1 or 2 in 10 members opposing it?

Bishoprics and Stake Presidents would support the brethren. So those 1 or 2 out of 10 would be marginalized pretty quickly.. Could they get a temple recommend still? Probably not. The last few would have to choose to turn their opinion or leave.

I am bad at predictions, but that scenario seems plausible.

[4Joshua8]

Stealing the symbol of a covenant of God to proclaim commitment to violate the law of chastity and eternal identity. Perverse. The rainbow belongs only to God.

It's why I wrote this poem (which I've shared a couple times before on this forum, in case it sounds familiar).

Heal the Broken Rainbows

Pink for perversion in sex, it's true
Red for the life that they can't have with you
Orange is for healing, though healer you fight
Yellow brings light, yet pride wanders at night
Green is for nature, that which is forsook
Turquoise for magic, counterfeit, crook
Blue harmony, shrill screams in its face
Violet's the Spirit chased out of this place

When Baker bakes flags, he's not telling the truth
Broken’s your token, climb out of your noose
Come home to the Fixer, the Healer, the Friend
Clothed in real rainbows from now through the end

Red is for love, the kind that God feels
In questions of right, it never rebels
Orange is for strength, of fire, of flame
Ask Him for help, My God is His name
Yellow is light, God's truth shows the way
And tells you, with righteousness you'll be okay
Green speaks of freedom from bondage of sin
And says Godly nature can be yours again
Blue is the blue sky of life-giving air
Breath it in deeply, release troubling care
Sincere indigo with integrity true
Align with God's law and you'll be true too
Purple is faithful patience and trust
See God, take His hand, arise from the dust

Your rainbow maligns and deceives, it's misused
You're broken, I'm broken, we've all been abused
God's rainbow shows mercy, a covenant of life
There's no Exaltation 'cept husband and wife
Your future is bright if the truth you'll embrace
Stop fighting your God, don't spit in His face
One day we'll be healed, all wrongs be made right
Come champion His rainbow, come walk in His light

4/28/2020

I reckon that is pretty good. May I share it?

Yes