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Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 4:09 am
by will
I have put forth a lot of thought on this, I have been looking at eco communities, The Amish, The Hutterites and other people that try to live as a group and seperate from the world, I know we will be heading in this direction, people are loosing jobs, their homes, the world is crumbling, wars, polutions, starving people ect.. Many including those on this forum can no longer pay bills and are having a hard time providing for their families, Electricity, water, phone, sewer, taxes, gas for vehicles, Food, ect. and the general building up of babylon I believe is about to end.
Who says we cannot try to live the Law of Consecration now? some of the groups listed above do it, Many here desire to do it. As people can no longer afford to live I believe that living the Law of Consecration will be the only way out of this. Will this not build up the Church and Zion as a whole? Of course it will. We are told it will happen. I am loosing faith in society as a whole the pride, the greed, corporations raping for their own gain. Banks stealing from the public, A government that puts forth helping CEOS before the very people that put them in power. Many have lost their life savings. I am looking for direction from The Lord from the Prophet on this one. Sharing things as a whole will be the one way to overcome the world, I am praying for this. We are told that the time will come when we pray for it and desire it. I ask that others do the same.
I do not desire to build up babylon any longer. I know there are things we can be doing here and now, however it takes the majority of our time and we are mearly building up the world, I just wish we could focus the majority of our energies towards a unified Zion. I would gladly give up everything I posses to have that opportunity.
Any thoughts?
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 4:35 am
by Rosabella
I have been feeling the same way. I was thinking may be we should take into our home a small family. And merge all of our supplies together. Spliting all the costs so both families can live. I think we will be seeing more and more things like this. The idea for me is not really for us we are just barely making it. But for someone who is not making it. When I think of working side by side with loving members in the church to make it through this is feels more of a blessing they a hardship. I feel warm inside and excited. I love the idea to have a big happy family of members. I don't look at people as us and them....it is "we" we will make it together.
When had are water shut of our LDS members that live next door were wonderful. They brought over a giant water jug and opened their house to us to use for showers, washing clothes. It was very touching. Our check was just delayed in the mail. We were behind but were catching it up.....we had no idea we would not have water for 24 hours. We were very lucky it was only that long.
We have to work together or we will never make it though this. It is time to start living as a Zion family. I feel the Church will be asking much more of us now. I think Tithing is starting to go to help the needy. Requests for fast offerings are increasing. We must unite and be one. I thinks step by step we will volunteer to step up to the call of living the law of consecration. Some day it will be a full law, now it is up to us.....Just my thoughts.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 6:57 am
by MercynGrace
I've been having dreams about this very thing lately. I've seen how to arrange my home so that one or two more families can move in with us. One thing I always regretted during the hurricane Katrina aftermath was that we were in temporary government quarters near the Pentagon and we could not take anyone in.
Now, I would do it in a minute!
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 7:49 am
by English Saint
I wonder if the Lord will re-establish the law of plural marriage? This will certainly help in the law of consecration. Problem is that a lot of the single sisters in our ward are elderly and/or have children.
One thing I always wondered about with plural marriage: do both parties have a choice? How did it work in the olden days?
I've only got a small home, so I don't know if having another family moving in would work, especially if my nonmember family (brother and sister and their families) needed somewhere to stay.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 8:32 am
by MercynGrace
English Saint wrote:I wonder if the Lord will re-establish the law of plural marriage? This will certainly help in the law of consecration. Problem is that a lot of the single sisters in our ward are elderly and/or have children.
One thing I always wondered about with plural marriage: do both parties have a choice? How did it work in the olden days?
I've only got a small home, so I don't know if having another family moving in would work, especially if my nonmember family (brother and sister and their families) needed somewhere to stay.
I don't think plural marriage would be necessary to take care of the temporal needs of other families. If you've ever been husbandless for extended periods (I have thanks to the US Army) then you know that a great home teacher more than meets the needs of the 'widows' and 'orphans' under his care. I've had home teachers who have offered much more than I needed and some that have long since moved away but still offered to help us out financially when my husband lost his job last year! In fact, we have several good friends who also offered to help. Thankfully, we had a years supply of food and money and, and lasted 10 months with only a little belt-tightening and without too much inconvenience.
Sadly, I think ours is an uncommon tale. My guess is that we wouldn't be asked to live plural marriage when so many men won't even make monthly visits....
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 9:03 am
by English Saint
MercynGrace wrote:English Saint wrote:I wonder if the Lord will re-establish the law of plural marriage? This will certainly help in the law of consecration. Problem is that a lot of the single sisters in our ward are elderly and/or have children.
One thing I always wondered about with plural marriage: do both parties have a choice? How did it work in the olden days?
I've only got a small home, so I don't know if having another family moving in would work, especially if my nonmember family (brother and sister and their families) needed somewhere to stay.
I don't think plural marriage would be necessary to take care of the temporal needs of other families. If you've ever been husbandless for extended periods (I have thanks to the US Army) then you know that a great home teacher more than meets the needs of the 'widows' and 'orphans' under his care. I've had home teachers who have offered much more than I needed and some that have long since moved away but still offered to help us out financially when my husband lost his job last year! In fact, we have several good friends who also offered to help. Thankfully, we had a years supply of food and money and, and lasted 10 months with only a little belt-tightening and without too much inconvenience.
Sadly, I think ours is an uncommon tale. My guess is that we wouldn't be asked to live plural marriage when so many men won't even make monthly visits....
I suppose plural marriage might be another reason for angry mobs to persecute the Saints.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 11:10 am
by Col. Flagg
will wrote:I have put forth a lot of thought on this, I have been looking at eco communities, The Amish, The Hutterites and other people that try to live as a group and seperate from the world, I know we will be heading in this direction, people are loosing jobs, their homes, the world is crumbling, wars, polutions, starving people ect.. Many including those on this forum can no longer pay bills and are having a hard time providing for their families, Electricity, water, phone, sewer, taxes, gas for vehicles, Food, ect. and the general building up of babylon I believe is about to end.
Who says we cannot try to live the Law of Consecration now? some of the groups listed above do it, Many here desire to do it. As people can no longer afford to live I believe that living the Law of Consecration will be the only way out of this. Will this not build up the Church and Zion as a whole? Of course it will. We are told it will happen. I am loosing faith in society as a whole the pride, the greed, corporations raping for their own gain. Banks stealing from the public, A government that puts forth helping CEOS before the very people that put them in power. Many have lost their life savings. I am looking for direction from The Lord from the Prophet on this one. Sharing things as a whole will be the one way to overcome the world, I am praying for this. We are told that the time will come when we pray for it and desire it. I ask that others do the same.
I do not desire to build up babylon any longer. I know there are things we can be doing here and now, however it takes the majority of our time and we are mearly building up the world, I just wish we could focus the majority of our energies towards a unified Zion. I would gladly give up everything I posses to have that opportunity.
Any thoughts?
Excellent post will. It's funny... I had this very talk with my wife and kids last week... my children have really started asking questions because they see so many evil and wrong things going on around them (and of course, Dad has helped bring a lot to their attention too) and my oldest asked about some law of living that I talked about in a FHE once and how the Lord instructed the Saints to live by it while they were in Nauvoo. We had had a family home evening on the Law of Consecration a while back and he had forgotten what it was called. The Lord actually instructed the Saints to live the Law of Consecration (through the prophet Joseph) before they even made the trek to Utah, but for whatever reason, they didn't. When Joseph went to the Lord about it, he told Joseph that it was apparent they were not ready or spiritually prepared yet to live it and to cease preaching its practice, but that the Saints would suffer the consequences of not living it. I think it's obvious what the consequences are of the pursuit for personal gain over others, greed, materialism and extravigance.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 11:26 am
by Spence
If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 11:27 am
by ShawnC
Spence wrote:If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
Wow! You seem so predetermined?!?
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 11:36 am
by Spence
ShawnC wrote:Spence wrote:If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
Wow! You seem so predetermined?!?
I guess if the Holy Ghost confirmed to me that it was the right path at that time, I would have to follow. But it's clearly defined in scriptures that plural marriage is an abomination to the Lord. I know Joseph Smith is a prophet, know GBH and Pres. Monson are too, but I personally believe in scriptural writ for now and it is my thoughts that it is indeed an abomination. But I guess that is why I live in this time and not then.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 11:44 am
by ShawnC
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:24 pm
by Darren
Col. Flagg wrote:will wrote:I have put forth a lot of thought on this, I have been looking at eco communities, The Amish, The Hutterites and other people that try to live as a group and seperate from the world, I know we will be heading in this direction, people are loosing jobs, their homes, the world is crumbling, wars, polutions, starving people ect.. Many including those on this forum can no longer pay bills and are having a hard time providing for their families, Electricity, water, phone, sewer, taxes, gas for vehicles, Food, ect. and the general building up of babylon I believe is about to end.
Who says we cannot try to live the Law of Consecration now? some of the groups listed above do it, Many here desire to do it. As people can no longer afford to live I believe that living the Law of Consecration will be the only way out of this. Will this not build up the Church and Zion as a whole? Of course it will. We are told it will happen. I am loosing faith in society as a whole the pride, the greed, corporations raping for their own gain. Banks stealing from the public, A government that puts forth helping CEOS before the very people that put them in power. Many have lost their life savings. I am looking for direction from The Lord from the Prophet on this one. Sharing things as a whole will be the one way to overcome the world, I am praying for this. We are told that the time will come when we pray for it and desire it. I ask that others do the same.
I do not desire to build up babylon any longer. I know there are things we can be doing here and now, however it takes the majority of our time and we are mearly building up the world, I just wish we could focus the majority of our energies towards a unified Zion. I would gladly give up everything I posses to have that opportunity.
Any thoughts?
Excellent post will. It's funny... I had this very talk with my wife and kids last week... my children have really started asking questions because they see so many evil and wrong things going on around them (and of course, Dad has helped bring a lot to their attention too) and my oldest asked about some law of living that I talked about in a FHE once and how the Lord instructed the Saints to live by it while they were in Nauvoo. We had had a family home evening on the Law of Consecration a while back and he had forgotten what it was called. The Lord actually instructed the Saints to live the Law of Consecration (through the prophet Joseph) before they even made the trek to Utah, but for whatever reason, they didn't. When Joseph went to the Lord about it, he told Joseph that it was apparent they were not ready or spiritually prepared yet to live it and to cease preaching its practice, but that the Saints would suffer the consequences of not living it. I think it's obvious what the consequences are of the pursuit for personal gain over others, greed, materialism and extravigance.
I suggest that we could all take baby steps towards working together via principles of Consecration and Stewardship. The rich have too much to risk to do Consecration, so they will rarely devote themselves to such an action, unless they are rendered poor and are looking for answers.
I have always wondered why most of my business endeavors failed so miserably. I think it was to keep me humble enough to see the baby steps towards Consecration as I became ready to see them.
Here is what I see. Find two or three of the poorest and most faithful families of the ward you belong too. Make sure that they are somewhat like minded to your thinking. Propose to them to start up some simple business and work together to keep it running. It could be a simple business like Lawn Care, Bee Keeping, House Cleaning or some other business. Explain to them that although this business is perhaps just a part-time endeavor and could at worst put each of you a few hundred dollars behind where you are now, that you will be consecrating yourself, that part that you committed to the business. That this is a small exercise in Consecration, to perhaps later expand upon, to experience what it would be like if the Lord required us to make a 100% commitment of time and physical resources to an endeavor.
This is a good first step away from Babylon towards Consecration. And you will experience and learn much in the process. Why more people in the church don't do this exercise in Consecration is because of Babylonian stupidity.
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:28 pm
by ShawnC
Darren wrote:Col. Flagg wrote:will wrote:I have put forth a lot of thought on this, I have been looking at eco communities, The Amish, The Hutterites and other people that try to live as a group and seperate from the world, I know we will be heading in this direction, people are loosing jobs, their homes, the world is crumbling, wars, polutions, starving people ect.. Many including those on this forum can no longer pay bills and are having a hard time providing for their families, Electricity, water, phone, sewer, taxes, gas for vehicles, Food, ect. and the general building up of babylon I believe is about to end.
Who says we cannot try to live the Law of Consecration now? some of the groups listed above do it, Many here desire to do it. As people can no longer afford to live I believe that living the Law of Consecration will be the only way out of this. Will this not build up the Church and Zion as a whole? Of course it will. We are told it will happen. I am loosing faith in society as a whole the pride, the greed, corporations raping for their own gain. Banks stealing from the public, A government that puts forth helping CEOS before the very people that put them in power. Many have lost their life savings. I am looking for direction from The Lord from the Prophet on this one. Sharing things as a whole will be the one way to overcome the world, I am praying for this. We are told that the time will come when we pray for it and desire it. I ask that others do the same.
I do not desire to build up babylon any longer. I know there are things we can be doing here and now, however it takes the majority of our time and we are mearly building up the world, I just wish we could focus the majority of our energies towards a unified Zion. I would gladly give up everything I posses to have that opportunity.
Any thoughts?
Excellent post will. It's funny... I had this very talk with my wife and kids last week... my children have really started asking questions because they see so many evil and wrong things going on around them (and of course, Dad has helped bring a lot to their attention too) and my oldest asked about some law of living that I talked about in a FHE once and how the Lord instructed the Saints to live by it while they were in Nauvoo. We had had a family home evening on the Law of Consecration a while back and he had forgotten what it was called. The Lord actually instructed the Saints to live the Law of Consecration (through the prophet Joseph) before they even made the trek to Utah, but for whatever reason, they didn't. When Joseph went to the Lord about it, he told Joseph that it was apparent they were not ready or spiritually prepared yet to live it and to cease preaching its practice, but that the Saints would suffer the consequences of not living it. I think it's obvious what the consequences are of the pursuit for personal gain over others, greed, materialism and extravigance.
I suggest that we could all take baby steps towards working together via principles of Consecration and Stewardship. The rich have too much to risk to do Consecration, so they will rarely devote themselves to such an action, unless they are rendered poor and are looking for answers.
I have always wondered why most of my business endeavors failed so miserably. I think it was to keep me humble enough to see the baby steps towards Consecration as I became ready to see them.
Here is what I see. Find two or three of the poorest and most faithful families of the ward you belong too. Make sure that they are somewhat like minded to your thinking. Propose to them to start up some simple business and work together to keep it running. It could be a simple business like Lawn Care, Bee Keeping, House Cleaning or some other business. Explain to them that although this business is perhaps just a part-time endeavor and could at worst put each of you a few hundred dollars behind where you are now, that you will be consecrating yourself, that part that you committed to the business. That this is a small exercise in Consecration, to perhaps later expand upon, to experience what it would be like if the Lord required us to make a 100% commitment of time and physical resources to an endeavor.
This is a good first step away from Babylon towards Consecration. And you will experience and learn much in the process. Why more people in the church don't do this exercise in Consecration is because of Babylonian stupidity.
God Bless,
Darren
I feel this is pretty good advice Darren.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:37 pm
by Col. Flagg
Spence wrote:If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
Wait, wait, wait... hold on here Spence... you'll intentionally fall away if the Lord were to ever re-instate plural marriage? Why? If it comes from the Lord, why would you fall away like that? I also don't think he would instruct the male Saints to take more wives... only that from now on, having more than one wife was OK. However, having said that... this will never happen anyway because plural marriage is not part of the plan of salvation. IMO, polygamy has always been an excuse for men to satisfy their sick, twisted sexual appetites... nothing more.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:43 pm
by ShawnC
Col. Flagg wrote:Spence wrote:If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
Wait, wait, wait... hold on here Spence... you'll intentionally fall away if the Lord were to ever re-instate plural marriage? Why? If it comes from the Lord, why would you fall away like that? I also don't think he would instruct the male Saints to take more wives... only that from now on, having more than one wife was OK. However, having said that... this will never happen anyway because plural marriage is not part of the plan of salvation. IMO, polygamy has always been an excuse for men to satisfy their sick, twisted sexual appetites... nothing more.
Oh Col.
Might I suggest you reread that thread also. I believe that your opinion is wrong. Apparently the Prophet Joseph was a sick twisted pervert?
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:50 pm
by Blip
If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
If they do not reinstate it I will fall away. I guess god will have to choose between me and you.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:54 pm
by Col. Flagg
ShawnC wrote:Col. Flagg wrote:Spence wrote:If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
Wait, wait, wait... hold on here Spence... you'll intentionally fall away if the Lord were to ever re-instate plural marriage? Why? If it comes from the Lord, why would you fall away like that? I also don't think he would instruct the male Saints to take more wives... only that from now on, having more than one wife was OK. However, having said that... this will never happen anyway because plural marriage is not part of the plan of salvation. IMO, polygamy has always been an excuse for men to satisfy their sick, twisted sexual appetites... nothing more.
Oh Col.
Might I suggest you reread that thread also. I believe that your opinion is wrong. Apparently the Prophet Joseph was a sick twisted pervert?
OK, I'd better back-pedal just a bit... I am aware that one of the reasons men took more than one wife back in Joseph's day was because he knew of the civil war that was coming and how many men would be killed and so it became 'expedient' to practice plural marriage. However, the Lord has since told us that it is not to be practiced ever again. In today's world, whenever I see men engage in polygamy (like Warren Jeffs), most (90%) of them do it to satisfy their twisted sexual desires, while the other 10% still believe the reason the Saints stopped practicing it was because of a decree from the government and not the Lord, and therefore, still in effect from the Almighty.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 12:56 pm
by Col. Flagg
Blip wrote:If the Lord reinstates plural marriage, you will see half the church fall away, and I will be one of them.
If they do not reinstate it I will fall away. I guess god will have to choose between me and you.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 1:16 pm
by ShawnC
Col. Flagg wrote:However, the Lord has since told us that it is not to be practiced ever again.
When did the Lord say this?
The Lord gives no command that is not for our good and does not have a spiritual connatation to it as well.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 1:17 pm
by Blip
Jokes a side. If you wanted to have a bunch of kids then many wives would be the way to go. I know that that is real unpopular, but by the time they reinstate it there won't be many men around to argue the morality of it. I don't think it is all about sex.
I got to admit deep down I would like to have about 40 sons and maybe the same amount of daughters over the period of 40 years. It won't happen, but it might be kind of cool. Haveing 80 children is not usually high on the list for a women for some reason.
I know a lot of dudes think about it though.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 1:47 pm
by will
I do not believe it will be reinstated until we start living the Law of consecration and from what I understand the wife will decide not the Husband. If I'm wrong on that I'M Ok with that. Isn't there another thread on Plural Marrige? If not someone is welcome to start one. However, back to the Point.
The Law of Consecration. The Hutterites I believe do the best, some groups even shun money. They share all things in common. I believe we can learn from groups like this. I am not changing sides however, I am going to try to visit a colony this summer to see how they operate. I believe they have some things that they may be able to teach us as a whole. I am not talking about combining one or two households, however this is a start. I am looking at people living as a group= Many households living as a group, tilling the land, Sharing all things in Common and working together to support and feed each other. In doing so I believe we give up materialism and rely on the Lord as we should. If something does not change by this summer, I will be seriously looking for other LDS willing to do this. I do not believe it is outside the boundaries of the Gospel, I believe it is within the Boundaries of the Gospel, some of The Homeless have started doing this and as members and non members alike continue to loose their homes and property. I believe this may be the only way to continue. In Part breaking away from the World or Babylon. Living off the Grid as a group. We are going to have to do it eventually are we not?
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 1:53 pm
by ShawnC
will wrote:I do not believe it will be reinstated until we start living the Law of consecration and from what I understand the wife will decide not the Husband. If I'm wrong on that I'M Ok with that. However, back to the Point.
The Law of Consecration. The Hutterites I believe do the best, some groups even shun money. They share all things in common. I believe we can learn from groups like this. I am not changing sides however, I am going to try to visit a colony this summer to see how they operate. I believe they have some things that they may be able to teach us as a whole. I am not talking about combining one or two households, however this is a start. I am looking at people living as a group= Many households living as a group, tilling the land, Sharing all things in Common and working together to support and feed each other. In doing so I believe we give up materialism and rely on the Lord as we should. If something does not change by this summer, I will be seriously looking for other LDS willing to do this. I do not believe it is outside the boundaries of the Gospel, I believe it is within the Boundaries of the Gospel, some of The Homeless have started doing this and as members and non members alike continue to loose their homes and property. I believe this may be the only way to continue. In Part breaking away from the World or Babylon.
Will,
Did you get my PM?
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 2:00 pm
by will
Shawn, I just sent it.
The Law of Consecration. The Hutterites I believe do the best, some groups even shun money. They share all things in common. I believe we can learn from groups like this. I am not changing sides however, I am going to try to visit a colony this summer to see how they operate. I believe they have some things that they may be able to teach us as a whole. I am not talking about combining one or two households, however this is a start. I am looking at people living as a group= Many households living as a group, tilling the land, Sharing all things in Common and working together to support and feed each other. In doing so I believe we give up materialism and rely on the Lord as we should. If something does not change by this summer, I will be seriously looking for other LDS willing to do this. I do not believe it is outside the boundaries of the Gospel, I believe it is within the Boundaries of the Gospel, some of The Homeless have started doing this and as members and non members alike continue to loose their homes and property. I believe this may be the only way to continue. In Part breaking away from the World or Babylon. Living off the Grid as a group. We are going to have to do it eventually are we not?
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 2:13 pm
by Blip
Good land is expensive. I have thought of getting some myself, but it is really expensive. I have not seen anything less than 100,000 that is worth anything.
Re: Living the Law of Consecration.
Posted: February 13th, 2009, 2:16 pm
by will
See blip thats where many are not looking outside the Box, Get 20 Families take the resources and buy a piece of Land. 50 Acres for $20,000 is very possible. $1000 per Family. yea its possible. And it exist, Just look around. You'll Find it.