Karma and the Law of Sacrifice

[Reluctant Watchman]

We often hear the word Karma in eastern theology and philosophy. I believe there is something to it. Below is a very interesting account from the Mentinah that discusses the way faith interacts with all of creation. The person writing is Timothy, considered one of the 3 Nephites. Now, if you put aside either your rejection (or acceptance) of this writing, just analyze whether what is presented as either true or false. I find the ending pros for personal sacrifice to be an eternal law:

23) But unto man is given freedom to choose. Because of this liberty, we are free to choose not to fulfill the full measure of our creation, for there is much evil in the world. And because of this freedom, there is suffering. For, with choice comes action, and all action causes consequences. Wherefore, when we act upon matter, it is moved to and fro. But matter is not static. When it is moved out of its place, it in turn moves other matter out of its place. And that matter is made to move and cause other matter to move. But the universe is one eternal round and all movement returns unto its own. Wherefore, there is a law in the universe that restores all things into a state of stability and equilibrium.

24) Now, when movement takes place, or in other words, when there is an action in one direction, either for good or evil, all matter is made to move in that direction until it returns again to a state of equilibrium. This is according to the commandment given unto matter.

25) Wherefore, if a man chooses to do evil, the matter does not end with the choice and the action. Do you see how any action creates in its own sphere a disturbance in the universe? This disturbance continues beyond the actions of that one decision. Yea, it continues outward and affects all things created. And behold, when it returns again, it may have been magnified into a much greater evil.

26) Who among you has not seen this magnification? Look unto the Nephites of the Land Southward and the great evil that became of just a few men and their evil acts. Yea, the whole face of the land was laid waste, most especially in the northern most reaches of the Land Southward. Yea, there is not one place in that part of the land that has not been altered. Let this remind you of the consequences of your actions at all times.

27) And behold, the same applies when a man chooses to do good, for the same law operates in the case of good as it does in the case of evil. What you apply in this universe, be it good or evil, returns unto you. And if evil is multiplied in the application of the universal law, so then is good. Let your actions for good go out into the cosmos and return unto you so magnified that not one particle of your matter is left unaltered.

28) Now, this law has greatest effect when the motion caused is greatest. Wherefore, the Lord has commanded all of His children to seek an understanding of the Law of Sacrifice. For, it is by and through this law that the most significant change is made upon the matter of mortal man.

29) Yea, for with all sacrifice comes a crying out of the soul. And this crying out, or distress of the soul, causes the greatest movement of the spiritual matter of the universe. But this matter exercises faith according to that universal law of which we have spoken. Now, when this matter returns, it seeks faith with which to cause equilibrium. And behold, all matter is imbued with this intelligence. If it returns to the point of sorrow and finds there sorrow still, it will use that faith to return unto its own and the consequence will be more sorrow and greater. For this cause does suffering bring about greater suffering if left unmodified.

30) But behold, if the matter returns and finds in the place of suffering great acts and utterances of faith, this is that which it utilizes to bring about equilibrium. This faith is magnified and edified such that great miracles take place. Wherefore are we commanded to sacrifice, that through our suffering, a better creation comes into being.

[Reluctant Watchman]

And here is a fitting application to our day in two subsequent verses:

32) It is for this cause also that fasting, study, meditation and prayer are so highly recommended unto you. In fasting a soul suffering is caused. That soul cry moves upon the matter of your body, indeed of your whole soul, as also the matter surrounding you. This matter moves ever outward and affects all matter. But behold, do not think that the matter will move away from you continually, for the universe cannot be described as an ever expanding line, but as a sphere. Nay, that movement will return to you. But when it returns, it will do so seeking faith with which to create an equilibrium. The matter is satisfied in this search when it encounters your study, meditation and prayer. Upon these acts and utterances of faith is all its magnified movement bent, and out of it comes wonders, signs and miracles.

33) For this cause has it been said that signs follow them that believe. Yea, wonders, signs and miracles are the natural consequence of doing good continually. For behold, there is much temptation to move always within the nature of man and this natural man moves always to satisfy his own lusts. But when the natural man is put away, and when it becomes natural to do good continually, then does the cycle change and then do wonders occur.

[Reluctant Watchman]

And I almost left out the most important part:

34) Do you marvel that the Lord requires certain sacrifices at your hands? Yea, He requires a broken heart and a contrite spirit. This is the acceptable sacrifice unto Him. Wherefore, the broken heart is the soul suffering cry which moves upon the universe in a most powerful way. This is the cry which issued out of even the great Christ in the moment He undertook to make a suffering for all living. Yea, in that moment of greatest suffering, even He cried out that the cup might be taken from Him.

35) But behold, His spirit was contrite. For, did He not also say: Nevertheless, not my will be done. Yea, His soul suffering caused the greatest movement of matter since the world was created. And the elements obeyed His will then, even as they do now, even as they always will obey His voice. But, in accordance with that great law wherewith He did command it in the beginning, all matter does move outward upon the world, and does return again to the origin of its movement. And when it did return, the moving, expanding, magnifying matter found the greatest act and utterance of faith since its own creation.

36) Behold, I say unto you, The sign that followed, and the wonder, is the atonement of all the lives. How great a miracle occurred that day not many of us may discern. But a great change came over the world in that instant. For, at that moment, He took upon Himself all things. Yea, in that moment, we became sealed unto Him with all matter, if we but choose to follow Him.

[Luke]

Alma 41

14 Therefore, my son, see that you are merciful unto your brethren; deal justly, judge righteously, and do good continually; and if ye do all these things then shall ye receive your reward; yea, ye shall have mercy restored unto you again; ye shall have justice restored unto you again; ye shall have a righteous judgment restored unto you again; and ye shall have good rewarded unto you again.
15 For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored; therefore, the word restoration more fully condemneth the sinner, and justifieth him not at all.

[Juliet]

Sorry but I don't agree with karma if you identify it in the traditional definition. Many people are harmed because of other people's actions. What happened to Jesus was not karma because He sinned, but because others sinned. The whole point of evil is to make innocent people suffer. That is the whole foundation and basis of it. When someone makes someone else suffer, that is not because the innocent person did anything wrong or had it coming to them. In fact, believing you did something to deserve something bad happening to you can be a foundation for many demonic strongholds. Many times when bad things happen it is not the victim's fault. That is why the poor are actually deserving of love and help which is contrary to the opinions of the prideful and rich, since they don't see the poor and the least of these our brethren the same way they would treat Jesus.

This new age doctrine is completely horrible. I have heard some spiritualists tell people who were abused as children that it was their fault someone abused them. Children are innocent and no one deserves karma. One wicked person can do so much evil for so many people.

Unfortunately other people's choices have an influence on the environment as a whole. Spiritually we can choose life or death. But in this mortal world, things are not black and white.

This is the law of sacrifice. That when someone hurts you, don't resist. Don't fight back. Don't hurt others or harm. Forgive and look to God to provide a way of escape. Look to God to provide the government of freedom. And pray God forgive us our trespasses as we forgive our brethren.

Karma is like an eye for an eye mentality. It is designed to make people feel guilty, to make people feel justified accusing each other which is what Satan does; and to keep people trapped in feelings of worthlessness and self doubt. Yes, for every action there is a consequence. And the action for sin is death, the consequence of which is swallowed up in the atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus died to stop that mentality. We are free because of the love of Jesus now and always so long as we are willing to forgive others their trespasses against us.

Where a true principle that can be called karma is; when you cut off something that God has given you; then you won't have it. When you cut off your finger, then next time you need it, it won't be there. Yes, we need to cut off the eye that sins. It is better to arrive to the kingdom of God maimed or halt then to not arrive at all. But once you have made it, you don't stay broken. Once you have made it to the kingdom of heaven, you receive healing. The unbeliving husband is sanctified by the believing wife, and vice versa. The arm that caused you to sin, once you arrive maimed into the kingdom of heaven, it must be healed. or you won't have that arm! You will continue to be maimed and halt until the Lord heals you through the at-one-ment.

There are emotional traumas that actually have a foundation in the primary cell (Peak States of Consciousness Vol 2 by Grant McFetridge). When we have an emotional trauma, the protein coating on the RNA gets torn and the RNA strand gets stuck in the internal cell wall. If that trauma isn't healed; it can't get through and it can't manufacture proteins. It effects our consiousness. If our body cannot produce the correct ribosomes, which our consciousness forms our emotional body and heart's electromagnetic field with; then we won't be able to feel love anymore on some level. All of our spiritual states that have been lost because of the fall are due to these types of traumas and others that must be healed. The organization of the function of the cell is what gives us life. When there is disorder in the cell, then history repeats and repeats and repeats. This can be identified as a type of karma. If you have conception trauma and don't heal it, you will experience left and right brain thinking. You will have a lack of intimacy in your marriage. We are supposed to be whole and one from within before we can be whole and one without.

This is all researched and scientific. There are reasons there are vaccines that are meant to disrupt the order of the cells. It is a severe situation humanity is in right now. But back to the topic. When we have things that need healing, so long as we don't heal and don't repent, then; we will continue to have a loss of our birthright in that regard and have less then what we were ordained to have.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Sorry but I don't agree with karma if you identify it in the traditional definition. Many people are harmed because of other people's actions. What happened to Jesus was not karma because He sinned, but because others sinned. The whole point of evil is to make innocent people suffer. That is the whole foundation and basis of it. When someone makes someone else suffer, that is not because the innocent person did anything wrong or had it coming to them. In fact, believing you did something to deserve something bad happening to you can be a foundation for many demonic strongholds. Many times when bad things happen it is not the victim's fault. That is why the poor are actually deserving of love and help which is contrary to the opinions of the prideful and rich, since they don't see the poor and the least of these our brethren the same way they would treat Jesus.

This new age doctrine is completely horrible. I have heard some spiritualists tell people who were abused as children that it was their fault someone abused them. Children are innocent and no one deserves karma. One wicked person can do so much evil for so many people.

Unfortunately other people's choices have an influence on the environment as a whole. Spiritually we can choose life or death. But in this mortal world, things are not black and white.

This is the law of sacrifice. That when someone hurts you, don't resist. Don't fight back. Don't hurt others or harm. Forgive and look to God to provide a way of escape. Look to God to provide the government of freedom. And pray God forgive us our trespasses as we forgive our brethren.

Karma is like an eye for an eye mentality. It is designed to make people feel guilty, to make people feel justified accusing each other which is what Satan does; and to keep people trapped in feelings of worthlessness and self doubt. Yes, for every action there is a consequence. And the action for sin is death, the consequence of which is swallowed up in the atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus died to stop that mentality. We are free because of the love of Jesus now and always so long as we are willing to forgive others their trespasses against us.

Where a true principle that can be called karma is; when you cut off something that God has given you; then you won't have it. When you cut off your finger, then next time you need it, it won't be there. Yes, we need to cut off the eye that sins. It is better to arrive to the kingdom of God maimed or halt then to not arrive at all. But once you have made it, you don't stay broken. Once you have made it to the kingdom of heaven, you receive healing. The unbeliving husband is sanctified by the believing wife, and vice versa. The arm that caused you to sin, once you arrive maimed into the kingdom of heaven, it must be healed. or you won't have that arm! You will continue to be maimed and halt until the Lord heals you through the at-one-ment.

There are emotional traumas that actually have a foundation in the primary cell (Peak States of Consciousness Vol 2 by Grant McFetridge). When we have an emotional trauma, the protein coating on the RNA gets torn and the RNA strand gets stuck in the internal cell wall. If that trauma isn't healed; it can't get through and it can't manufacture proteins. It effects our consiousness. If our body cannot produce the correct ribosomes, which our consciousness forms our emotional body and heart's electromagnetic field with; then we won't be able to feel love anymore on some level. All of our spiritual states that have been lost because of the fall are due to these types of traumas and others that must be healed. The organization of the function of the cell is what gives us life. When there is disorder in the cell, then history repeats and repeats and repeats. This can be identified as a type of karma. If you have conception trauma and don't heal it, you will experience left and right brain thinking. You will have a lack of intimacy in your marriage. We are supposed to be whole and one from within before we can be whole and one without.

This is all researched and scientific. There are reasons there are vaccines that are meant to disrupt the order of the cells. It is a severe situation humanity is in right now. But back to the topic. When we have things that need healing, so long as we don't heal and don't repent, then; we will continue to have a loss of our birthright in that regard and have less then what we were ordained to have.

Did you read the verses I quoted?

[Juliet]

Sorry but I don't agree with karma if you identify it in the traditional definition. Many people are harmed because of other people's actions. What happened to Jesus was not karma because He sinned, but because others sinned. The whole point of evil is to make innocent people suffer. That is the whole foundation and basis of it. When someone makes someone else suffer, that is not because the innocent person did anything wrong or had it coming to them. In fact, believing you did something to deserve something bad happening to you can be a foundation for many demonic strongholds. Many times when bad things happen it is not the victim's fault. That is why the poor are actually deserving of love and help which is contrary to the opinions of the prideful and rich, since they don't see the poor and the least of these our brethren the same way they would treat Jesus.

This new age doctrine is completely horrible. I have heard some spiritualists tell people who were abused as children that it was their fault someone abused them. Children are innocent and no one deserves karma. One wicked person can do so much evil for so many people.

Unfortunately other people's choices have an influence on the environment as a whole. Spiritually we can choose life or death. But in this mortal world, things are not black and white.

This is the law of sacrifice. That when someone hurts you, don't resist. Don't fight back. Don't hurt others or harm. Forgive and look to God to provide a way of escape. Look to God to provide the government of freedom. And pray God forgive us our trespasses as we forgive our brethren.

Karma is like an eye for an eye mentality. It is designed to make people feel guilty, to make people feel justified accusing each other which is what Satan does; and to keep people trapped in feelings of worthlessness and self doubt. Yes, for every action there is a consequence. And the action for sin is death, the consequence of which is swallowed up in the atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus died to stop that mentality. We are free because of the love of Jesus now and always so long as we are willing to forgive others their trespasses against us.

Where a true principle that can be called karma is; when you cut off something that God has given you; then you won't have it. When you cut off your finger, then next time you need it, it won't be there. Yes, we need to cut off the eye that sins. It is better to arrive to the kingdom of God maimed or halt then to not arrive at all. But once you have made it, you don't stay broken. Once you have made it to the kingdom of heaven, you receive healing. The unbeliving husband is sanctified by the believing wife, and vice versa. The arm that caused you to sin, once you arrive maimed into the kingdom of heaven, it must be healed. or you won't have that arm! You will continue to be maimed and halt until the Lord heals you through the at-one-ment.

There are emotional traumas that actually have a foundation in the primary cell (Peak States of Consciousness Vol 2 by Grant McFetridge). When we have an emotional trauma, the protein coating on the RNA gets torn and the RNA strand gets stuck in the internal cell wall. If that trauma isn't healed; it can't get through and it can't manufacture proteins. It effects our consiousness. If our body cannot produce the correct ribosomes, which our consciousness forms our emotional body and heart's electromagnetic field with; then we won't be able to feel love anymore on some level. All of our spiritual states that have been lost because of the fall are due to these types of traumas and others that must be healed. The organization of the function of the cell is what gives us life. When there is disorder in the cell, then history repeats and repeats and repeats. This can be identified as a type of karma. If you have conception trauma and don't heal it, you will experience left and right brain thinking. You will have a lack of intimacy in your marriage. We are supposed to be whole and one from within before we can be whole and one without.

This is all researched and scientific. There are reasons there are vaccines that are meant to disrupt the order of the cells. It is a severe situation humanity is in right now. But back to the topic. When we have things that need healing, so long as we don't heal and don't repent, then; we will continue to have a loss of our birthright in that regard and have less then what we were ordained to have.

Did you read the verses I quoted?

Yes. If one is going to say karma is a true principle, it must be clear what it does not mean or it could be taken in a harmful direction. I commented because I felt it was important to say.

[Thinker]

Juliet pointed out something important - as with practically any truth - it can be twisted for evil. There is a law of cause and effect - designed so to help us learn to love better. But we are ignorantly arrogant if we pretend to always know the background of consequences or karma.

Job is a good example - some cases may simply be God giving us extra tests or spiritual work-out, & not a result from past ignor-ance, etc. We need to judge righteously - implying that we don’t know everything so we shouldn’t condemn others for suffering - how cruel to kick them when they’re already down.

Yet, we do need to judge to discern good from evil. Not easy because good is mixed with evil & often disguised as evil & vice versa. Also we are all imperfect to our dying day! “What imperfection hates most is imperfection.”

If anyone reads my post history they’d see at times I let me pride dictate my communication and was not always loving. And I am working on not being punitive to myself and others. Little by little I’m seeing how maybe reactions to pride-triggers give a hint as to self-awareness & how well we have a handle on karmic reins.

By karma, I mean that any hurtful action we do unknowingly (subconsciously) will eventually come back to revisit us from the receiving end of the harm we once gave… usually years later when we’re more open to learn.