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Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 1:33 pm
by Fred
Some surmise that Wilford was killed by Bohemian Grove members. But a motive would require that he did not agree with them or cooperate, which apparently, he did. The church gave up polygamy, United Order, and Council of 50, in order to become a state. But, that aside, the church also received large loans at high interest, that saved the church from insolvency.
Whether or not any of that is related could be argued. But, thereafter, Utah became a State, the church prospered, but the church and state have been intermingled ever since. Again, maybe unrelated.
But this is also about the time "Thus saith the Lord" revelations ceased. Although Thomas Monson has some rather believable stories of revelation which indicate that at least personal revelation did not cease.
The church did not become "global" over night. Or did it? Either way, the church did prosper. But at what point did the illuminati or NWO or deep state or whatever, and the church become of like mind? Or in agreement that the church would follow direction, even in cases of pure ridiculousness such as masks, lock downs, closing church, calling a satanic brew a godsend, etc.?
If it began at Bohemian Grove, there had to be regular communication thereafter, over the years. Otherwise, that is only a myth. Inviting the UN to Salt Lake did not just come out of the blue.
Any answers?
Re: Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 2:19 pm
by 1775peasant
in the famous talk given by Myron Fagan in the late 60s on the NWO, CFR, Illuminati......
he mentions that "The Mormon Church", was the only established Church at that time not beholden to those powers......then given how a few GA's railed against the UN, Communism ...etc until the end of the ETB era? just seems a stretch that there was a sense of collaboration, but many times the truth has been stranger than fiction?
if i had to guess, given history since......i'd guess the collaboration began with the run up to SLC hosting the Winter Olympics? the players just line up so well with today's questionable characters amongst the famous LDS members???
Re: Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 2:59 pm
by Luke
The Church really fell to the powers that be after the death of Benson
Although the process of conceding to Babylon at large began with Wilford throwing Celestial Plural Marriage overboard and promoting "goodwill" with the world
Re: Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 3:11 pm
by Pazooka
Fred wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 1:33 pm
Some surmise that Wilford was killed by Bohemian Grove members. But a motive would require that he did not agree with them or cooperate, which apparently, he did. The church gave up polygamy, United Order, and Council of 50, in order to become a state. But, that aside, the church also received large loans at high interest, that saved the church from insolvency.
Whether or not any of that is related could be argued. But, thereafter, Utah became a State, the church prospered, but the church and state have been intermingled ever since. Again, maybe unrelated.
But this is also about the time "Thus saith the Lord" revelations ceased. Although Thomas Monson has some rather believable stories of revelation which indicate that at least personal revelation did not cease.
The church did not become "global" over night. Or did it? Either way, the church did prosper. But at what point did the illuminati or NWO or deep state or whatever, and the church become of like mind? Or in agreement that the church would follow direction, even in cases of pure ridiculousness such as masks, lock downs, closing church, calling a satanic brew a godsend, etc.?
If it began at Bohemian Grove, there had to be regular communication thereafter, over the years. Otherwise, that is only a myth. Inviting the UN to Salt Lake did not just come out of the blue.
Any answers?
My best guess is that his meeting with the Bohemian Club was a failed attempt to initiate him. Maybe he walked away from that night knowing too much...was dead by morning. Why was he voted “smartest of the party?” Maybe because he said, “no, thanks.”
Re: Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 3:24 pm
by Pazooka
We really don’t know much about the high-ranking men in Church leadership. We get whatever information Deseret Book publishes about them. We’ve had men who’ve been a part of the CIA (Maxwell, Oaks), in Skull and Bones (Hales) and our current president was in the military and worked at the Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington, D.C.
Satanists are effective because they work in secret, threaten, kill, bribe, smear and cover up. That’s why “by their fruits” is still, after all these years, the best way to judge.
Re: Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 3:50 pm
by InfoWarrior82
Fred wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 1:33 pm
Some surmise that Wilford was killed by Bohemian Grove members. But a motive would require that he did not agree with them or cooperate, which apparently, he did. The church gave up polygamy, United Order, and Council of 50, in order to become a state. But, that aside, the church also received large loans at high interest, that saved the church from insolvency.
Whether or not any of that is related could be argued. But, thereafter, Utah became a State, the church prospered, but the church and state have been intermingled ever since. Again, maybe unrelated.
But this is also about the time "Thus saith the Lord" revelations ceased. Although Thomas Monson has some rather believable stories of revelation which indicate that at least personal revelation did not cease.
The church did not become "global" over night. Or did it? Either way, the church did prosper. But at what point did the illuminati or NWO or deep state or whatever, and the church become of like mind? Or in agreement that the church would follow direction, even in cases of pure ridiculousness such as masks, lock downs, closing church, calling a satanic brew a godsend, etc.?
If it began at Bohemian Grove, there had to be regular communication thereafter, over the years. Otherwise, that is only a myth. Inviting the UN to Salt Lake did not just come out of the blue.
Any answers?
Kevin Kraut explains (speaking specifically of the W.W. situation) that Satan disposes of you once he gets what he wants out of you. Makes sense to me.
Re: Wilford Woodruff questions
Posted: February 5th, 2021, 4:12 pm
by Luke
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 3:50 pm
Kevin Kraut explains (speaking specifically of the W.W. situation) that Satan disposes of you once he gets what he wants out of you. Makes sense to me.
- Alma 30
60 And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord; and thus we see that the devil will not support his children at the last day, but doth speedily drag them down to hell.