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Hi there,

I am relatively new to this forum but I have enjoyed the discussion.

I wish to remain anonymous, but I will say that I participated in the writing of this article: https://fraudspotters.com/statistics-ab ... ion-fraud/

Many of the people involved in the writing of this article are devout members of the church.

The purpose of this analysis really was related to the question of what is real. To many of us, although Republicans, we had doubt believing the various election fraud theories.

However, upon doing this particular study, we were surprised at how strongly the data supports the idea that there was a problem in counties associated with Dominion voting machines.

As the last 60 days have unfolded, what has been the most confusing to us has been waiting for the "kraken" to be released.

These are things that go through my head.
1) Why did Sydney Powell accurately know that the Dominion machines correlated with fraud?
2) Why did she never present overwhelming evidence to prove it?
3) Does Sydney Powell, Lin Wood, etc., even know what the major source of the fraud was (e.g. how it was done)?
4) Were there too many crack pots throwing so many different theories that the Trump team could never figure out which one to believe?

The statistics paint a pretty strong picture about Dominion counties, which I'm happy to explain if anyone has any question. I just don't know why there was no coherent evidence released. Yes there were many affidavits of small time fraud, but there was not coherent evidence of big-time fraud. If these machines were used somehow, who did it, and how? I have not seen an explanation that is convincing. I just watched a video from the my pillow guy, and he says he has the proof, ... but... where is it?

I think it is possible that the fraudsters outsmarted the Trump team by having them chase their tails on every small tip of fraud when the Trump team should have made a unified effort to force an unbiased, scientific, forensic audit of what went on in the areas with this machines.

It is also possible the Trump team thought their various affidavits would force the cases to be opened, which would then enable them to audit the situations, but the courts never allowed that to happen.

I agree with the premise of the other post. I don't know what to believe, but having reviewed the data in this article, I believe there is an uncanny correlation between Dominion machines and Biden results, and it is uncanny that Sydney Powell knew about this.

Most cases with the courts (read I think all) were dismissed on procedural grounds. When a case go forward and then there is "discovery" in discovery is when evidence is gathered. They had the evidence for the cases to go to court, but the courts dismissed on standing and other procedural means. So it was impossible for any of that evidence to really "get" out there.

Their final goal was to have it discussed in Congress. This led to the faux insurrection which led to no chance of fraud being discussed and a coup of sorts, just not how the media describes it.

At least that is my udnrstanding/opinion.

I agree with you. There was enough evidence to start a trial and obtain evidence.

But, I wonder why it was never really laid out who did the big steal. Who moved hundreds of thousands of votes and how did they do it. If Sydney Powell knew Dominion machines were involved, why/how were they involved? Who pressed what buttons and where? Do they even know, or where they using the various affidavits to try to get to the machines?

Moroni, thanks for your very informative and well-stated addition to the discussion.

Although I am no where near as well-informed about the technical details of this as you seem to be, our conclusions seem to be consistent.

That is the type of evidence that I have been waiting to see/hear more about. Why has it never been presented? It's almost as if they only made a half-hearted effort, and then deliberately stopped before going all the way.

At what point would it be too late to do a comprehensive forensic audit? And who would be unquestionably qualified to conduct such an audit?

And finally, at this point what, if anything, is Sydney Powell's Kraken?

Hey there TMAC

The evidence from the fraudspotters article was tweeted by Lin Powell (a co-attorny of Sidney Powell) 45 days ago; so these people know about this particular study. I am not sure why they never made any effort to push this particular article further. I do know that a similar statistical argument was made in the Maricopa case, by a different statistician (not Fraudspotters) but the judge dismissed that case, and in his response, he talked about a lot of different things and never mentioned this type of analysis. Apparently it wasn't convincing to that group of judges in Arizona.

I actually agree with you that they seemed to start something and didn't finish it. I don't really understand why.

With regards to audits, and that sort of thing, just a few minutes ago on Telegram, Sydney Powell posted this:
"While jokers are celebrating the meaningless agreed dismissal of our Georgia lawsuit, Maricopa County AZ has agreed to the audit of ballots needed there and our lead Plaintiff-- the fearless Kelli Ward--has a seat at the table to select the auditor.
We have only begun to fight. We uncover more evidence of this criminal fraud by the day. Stay tuned. Have faith"

As having been a participant in the Fraudspotters statistical analysis, I can tell you that it seems like the fraud, if it did occur, probably did occur in Maricopa County (from a statistical point of view.) Maricopa County and Georgia are areas that seemed to fit the statistical profile.

If the right people look through the machines and provide a thorough explanation of the chain of command that is in such detail as I can follow, I could be convinced there was or was not fraud based on the finding. I really hope that a thorough audit happens there. I do NOT believe a thorough audit happened in Georgia.

With regards to the Kraken, for those who don't know, Sydney Powell acted like she had a lot of evidence and she was going to release it. She DID release evidence, and it is online. I have read it. But it wasn't overwhelming. It made me wonder how she was so accurate about Dominion. I think it is possible she has sources she has never disclosed, but if so, I do not know why.

Contrary to the so-called patriot narrative about what is still going to happen to straighten things out, based on Trump's comments yesterday and today, it looks to me like he and his "team" are done. It's over.

In the other thread I have described my view of how the real powers that be simply out-maneuvered Trump and the RNC, etc., over the course of the past year to "steal" the election, if you want to call it that -- especially when compared to what probably would have happened a year earlier.

But, in light of my impressions and statements about the lack of serious, substantive evidence to support a direct steal narrative, based on Moroni's additional input, etc., it does genuinely look to me like they may have had more or better information and evidence that they have simply held back, and haven't run with.

Giving that theory the benefit of the doubt -- that there really is sufficient evidence, but they simply haven't been willing to run with it -- it does look more and more all the time like the whole thing was just one big choreographed show, rather than any genuine reality.

Which, in terms of what is actually real, means that we're actually in a much worse position than if they had simply stolen the election.

tmac wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 7:55 am Contrary to the so-called patriot narrative about what is still going to happen to straighten things out, based on Trump's comments yesterday and today, it looks to me like he and his "team" are done. It's over.

In the other thread I have described my view of how the real powers that be simply out-maneuvered Trump and the RNC, etc., over the course of the past year to "steal" the election, if you want to call it that -- especially when compared to what probably would have happened a year earlier.

But, in light of my impressions and statements about the lack of serious, substantive evidence to support a direct steal narrative, based on Moroni's additional input, etc., it does genuinely look to me like they may have had more or better information and evidence that they have simply held back, and haven't run with.

Giving that theory the benefit of the doubt -- that there really is sufficient evidence, but they simply haven't been willing to run with it -- it does look more and more all the time like the whole thing was just one big choreographed show, rather than any genuine reality.

Which, in terms of what is actually real, means that we're actually in a much worse position than if they had simply stolen the election.

All is well in Zion. Just get your jab, obey your rulers, and keep your head down and be a good obedient mormon like we know you can be

tmac wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 8:50 pm It's almost as if they only made a half-hearted effort, and then deliberately stopped before going all the way.

At what point would it be too late to do a comprehensive forensic audit? And who would be unquestionably qualified to conduct such an audit?

In every way this reminds me of the bogus 9/11 commission. There will never be a comprehensive audit or investigation because this is the work of the great conspiracy. It’s meat hooks are in everything. There is no fighting it. No one is empowered to play 5-D chess against it except for God who will reduce it to rubble with Zion emerging from the ashes.

Question:
Is the two-term limit applicable only to consecutive terms?
If Trump ran in 2024 and won, would he only be able to serve one term, or would he be able to seek re-election for a second (technically third) term?

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 8:38 am Question:
Is the two-term limit applicable only to consecutive terms?
If Trump ran in 2024 and won, would he only be able to serve one term, or would he be able to seek re-election for a second (technically third) term?

Two TOTAL terms.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 8:38 am Question:
Is the two-term limit applicable only to consecutive terms?
If Trump ran in 2024 and won, would he only be able to serve one term, or would he be able to seek re-election for a second (technically third) term?

You notice how Putin skated around that presidential limit in Russia? In anticipation of him leaving presidency, basically they voted to lessen/change some powers and things so the president will have less and the prime minister (I think that's the position) is much more powerful.... Sneaky sneaky.
(Something like that, the gist of it is correct.)

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/15/79658376 ... nstitution

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 8:41 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 8:38 am Question:
Is the two-term limit applicable only to consecutive terms?
If Trump ran in 2024 and won, would he only be able to serve one term, or would he be able to seek re-election for a second (technically third) term?

Two TOTAL terms.

There would be little point in him running in 2024 then.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 9:00 am

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 8:41 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 8:38 am Question:
Is the two-term limit applicable only to consecutive terms?
If Trump ran in 2024 and won, would he only be able to serve one term, or would he be able to seek re-election for a second (technically third) term?

Two TOTAL terms.

There would be little point in him running in 2024 then.

His son could

Given the apparent realities of the situation and how all this went down, you really think that anyone but Kamala Harris would stand any legitimate chance in 2024?

And, if the whole thing is rigged from top to bottom, essentially on both sides, what's the point of even talking about whatever evidence might hypothetically change the outcome -- because realistically, nothing
but God will actually be able to change the outcome.

Based on all the information we now have available, my tentative conclusion at this point, is that the whole thing may be one giant PsyOp that would rival any dystopian fiction that has ever been generated, from Star Wars, to Hunger Games, to Jericho. And, it appears that one of the primary objectives is to get everything tamped down good and tight right now, early on, so that there will never need to be any fuss about an American election again. If this is now the accepted norm, because this one appears to have been completely rigged, top to bottom, by both sides, with a completely scripted narrative by the MSM, that establishes a very strong precedent. Because it has been allowed to stand, we can now just accept that as a reality, and treat it as the norm going forward. And anyone who even suggests anything to the contrary will, in all likelihood, be immediately labeled and treated as a domestic terrorist.

And from this point on, the notion that the United States of America is a legitimate Constitutionally Limited Democratic Republic, may be just a fantasy.

That seems to be the wake-up call. Welcome to the new reality?