LDS Freedom Forum

Shaffer89 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:12 pm I'm not really sure where to start with my response.
I can only assume you are trolling so I'm just going to say that I very much don't agree and I think bishops and church leaders are just as susceptible to being incorrect as the rest of us.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:56 pm My adult son and his wife kindly asked their bishop why a mandatory mask mandate was implemented about a month ago. There has been no spike in cases in their area. He said it came from the SP. When they went on to explain that masks don’t work, the Bishop said that he was told everyone must wear a mask so people are not uncomfortable. They told him their kids are very uncomfortable in masks, and could they be exempt. No, he said. You can watch church on zoom. They said they are uncomfortable using zoom, and because they are new in the ward, they want their children to get to know the other kids. Well, not on Sunday, he said, as masks are required, as well as no socializing.

YOU must be uncomfortable, small child, so silly adults are not. Wow.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 3:41 pm It is a requirement of local law in our area. The decision to force mask wearing came from Area Presidency, the gospel teaches obey and sustain law of the land.
Church insurrection person are the ones who should be booted out the church.

In 20y from now looking back one will see that wearing of masks was a very minor trivial thing, and getting worked up over it is plain silly.
The spiritual damage to those getting worked up over masks wil have long term eternal consequences.

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:07 pm So when people go to church to find Jesus and the Bishop slams them with a mandatory Satan following order, the Bishop might be better off committing suicide. Something about a mill stone around his neck in the water where the whale shite is.

captainfearnot wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:13 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:07 pm So when people go to church to find Jesus and the Bishop slams them with a mandatory Satan following order, the Bishop might be better off committing suicide. Something about a mill stone around his neck in the water where the whale shite is.

I was thinking about posting in response to the OP, to commend you on your restraint. Because usually you call for anyone who disagrees with you about something to be executed.

But now we see that would have been premature.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:56 pm My adult son and his wife kindly asked their bishop why a mandatory mask mandate was implemented about a month ago. There has been no spike in cases in their area. He said it came from the SP. When they went on to explain that masks don’t work, the Bishop said that he was told everyone must wear a mask so people are not uncomfortable. They told him their kids are very uncomfortable in masks, and could they be exempt. No, he said. You can watch church on zoom. They said they are uncomfortable using zoom, and because they are new in the ward, they want their children to get to know the other kids. Well, not on Sunday, he said, as masks are required, as well as no socializing.

YOU must be uncomfortable, small child, so silly adults are not. Wow.

Juliet wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:57 pm If you try to do something like that in church, you will be censured. The majority of people are ok with wearing masks. If you can find a group of people who think the way you do, then you have found gold. Keep your real friends close and don't knowingly climb into a hornets nest. They are not nice. Expecting anything other than being completely shot down is naive. People are not nice when they choose to follow the wrong spirit. You are not going to convince them to change. Anyone who gets in their way will be projected on and attacked as if you were the guilty one. Just stay out of their way and if God is merciful to bring them the truth then let God. But for the most part, people have already chosen which spirit they will follow. Mourn the loss and move forward. It is a beautiful part of God's plan that no one is forced to hearken to the enticings of the Holy Spirit. The failure of being wrong is the best way for people to learn the bitter from the sweet. Don't I know that from experience. If you love people, let them be wrong. And let them learn for themselves why they are wrong. Stand your distance, be self reliant, and if they choose to come to a higher kingdom, great. But if they want to be in a kingdom that believes lies, then let them have their kingdom and don't try to step in and fix it. That is disrespecting their ability to learn for themselves.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:56 pm My adult son and his wife kindly asked their bishop why a mandatory mask mandate was implemented about a month ago. There has been no spike in cases in their area. He said it came from the SP. When they went on to explain that masks don’t work, the Bishop said that he was told everyone must wear a mask so people are not uncomfortable. They told him their kids are very uncomfortable in masks, and could they be exempt. No, he said. You can watch church on zoom. They said they are uncomfortable using zoom, and because they are new in the ward, they want their children to get to know the other kids. Well, not on Sunday, he said, as masks are required, as well as no socializing.

YOU must be uncomfortable, small child, so silly adults are not. Wow.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 3:41 pm It is a requirement of local law in our area. The decision to force mask wearing came from Area Presidency, the gospel teaches obey and sustain law of the land.
Church insurrection person are the ones who should be booted out the church.

In 20y from now looking back one will see that wearing of masks was a very minor trivial thing, and getting worked up over it is plain silly.
The spiritual damage to those getting worked up over masks wil have long term eternal consequences.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 3:41 pm It is a requirement of local law in our area. The decision to force mask wearing came from Area Presidency, the gospel teaches obey and sustain law of the land.
Church insurrection person are the ones who should be booted out the church.

In 20y from now looking back one will see that wearing of masks was a very minor trivial thing, and getting worked up over it is plain silly.
The spiritual damage to those getting worked up over masks wil have long term eternal consequences.

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:29 pm

Shaffer89 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:12 pm I'm not really sure where to start with my response.
I can only assume you are trolling so I'm just going to say that I very much don't agree and I think bishops and church leaders are just as susceptible to being incorrect as the rest of us.

Sure. I am simply suggesting that people help them overcome their delusions.

Also, if a Bishop is allowed to repeatedly lie, he will come to believe his own lies. Leading hundreds of people to hell is punishable in the hereafter. Liars should not be leading congregations.

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:29 pm

Shaffer89 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 2:12 pm I'm not really sure where to start with my response.
I can only assume you are trolling so I'm just going to say that I very much don't agree and I think bishops and church leaders are just as susceptible to being incorrect as the rest of us.

Sure. I am simply suggesting that people help them overcome their delusions.

Also, if a Bishop is allowed to repeatedly lie, he will come to believe his own lies. Leading hundreds of people to hell is punishable in the hereafter. Liars should not be leading congregations.

David13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 7:42 pm I see all these sheep dutifully wearing their face diapers. Obedient little children, doing whatever some government nabob tells them to, ration or reason of it of no matter. Don't sing in church. Don't ask why not. Just obey.

When the governor farts, that is not a law. It matters not if he farts out of his donkey, or out of his mouth.

Laws are actually enacted by the legislature sitting in session. The governor can only sign their enactments into law, or veto it.

I see these obedient little sheep and I wonder where I am. Have I fallen onto some planet of faceless zombies, who scurry about like down faced little mice, doing whatever they are told, nonsense of no import to them, just blind obedience.
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Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:07 pm

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 3:41 pm It is a requirement of local law in our area. The decision to force mask wearing came from Area Presidency, the gospel teaches obey and sustain law of the land.
Church insurrection person are the ones who should be booted out the church.

In 20y from now looking back one will see that wearing of masks was a very minor trivial thing, and getting worked up over it is plain silly.
The spiritual damage to those getting worked up over masks wil have long term eternal consequences.

FALSE
There is no law in any area that requires masks. You might consider the differences between a rule, regulation statute, ordinance, law, or even an illegal declaration of emergency that exceeded 30 days.

If you live in Utah the mask order (not law) was issued by a governor that was not even legally the governor.

Laws are codified. That means you can look them up in a book of laws. There is no book that lists a mask law.

Spreading lies does not help anyone besides Satan. There is not even a possibility that a mask can help a healthy person not catch covid. There are people that have died from wearing a mask. Wearing something that creates a warm, moist, environment to propagate a virus is among the stupidest things a person can do.

Anytime anyone tells a lie that hurts more than it helps, that person is evil. There is not now, nor has there ever been, any evidence that a healthy person should wear a mask to prevent covid. When a person of trust, like a Bishop, suggests that people take the symbol of Satan, he is lower than whale shite. That is pretty low at the bottom of the ocean. It is not an honest mistake. The worthless piece of shite is destroying people's lives. But even worse, he is leading people to follow Satan instead of Jesus.

Church is supposed to be like fire insurance. You know, against being burned as stubble in the latter days. This is the latter days. So when people go to church to find Jesus and the Bishop slams them with a mandatory Satan following order, the Bishop might be better off committing suicide. Something about a mill stone around his neck in the water where the whale shite is.

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 1:16 pm There is no legitimate argument that can be made for wearing a mask to prevent getting covid. Two General Authorities lied about mask effectiveness and got covid. This is not a roll of the dice where there might be a case for a healthy person to wear a mask. There is no such reason.

So we can with 100% accuracy declare anyone that suggests masks prevent getting covid to be a liar. There is a commandment against that.

We would not trust a doctor that was too stupid to read the label that says not effective against covid-19.

So once a Bishop is a known liar, perhaps possessed by an evil spirit, maybe even a dedicated Disciple of Satan that infiltrated the church, perhaps a member of the deep state whose intentions are to destroy the Kingdom of God, or any other reason that causes him to lie, we kindly inform him that he is not telling the truth and he must stop immediately, if not sooner. If he recognizes his sin against mankind and ceases to lie, then we forgive and move on.

But if he does not, or is being blackmailed by his superiors that won't give him a million dollar retirement package if he does not follow their directions, then the evil begins to come forth. If he is not being blackmailed and is simply too stupid to believe the manufacturer of the masks that they are not effective, then he has no business being in charge of a ward. That would make him a mentally defective imbecile worthy of a straight jacket.

When politicians in Washington DC lie or when the media lie, we do not have much control over that other than to say the world has gone to hell and we need to do something at the local level. The Bishop is at the local level.

If a person is asked to speak at Sacrament Meeting, he/she may say that the original topic has changed and we will be discussing the efficacy of masks. If the Bishop censors the speaker for telling the truth, then a larger truth is shown. Once the truth is out, the lemmings will be enlightened and no longer follow Satan.

We have an obligation to not allow bullshite to enter our brain, especially at church. If the Bishop acknowledges that truth will not be tolerated in Sacrament Meeting, well, then, there you have it.

This war is between good and evil and some of us are helping evil to win.