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Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 7:23 pm
What you call a droplet may be a thousand times smaller than a hair and you can not see it. It goes through a mask like a mosquito through a chain link fence.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 9:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 7:23 pm
What you call a droplet may be a thousand times smaller than a hair and you can not see it. It goes through a mask like a mosquito through a chain link fence.

Not true, been using face masks in the mining industry for years, and dust particles of the same size are trapped.

Latest research and review of face mask use using, direct epidemiological, ecological studies, modeling, transmission characteristics, source control, human studies, droplets filtration, PPE, risk compensation behavior, etc

Found cloth masks reduced jet distance from 8feet to 2.5inches, reduced spread, fluid dynamics calculated filtration at 90%.,


https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 9:23 pm

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 9:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 7:23 pm
What you call a droplet may be a thousand times smaller than a hair and you can not see it. It goes through a mask like a mosquito through a chain link fence.

Not true, been using face masks in the mining industry for years, and dust particles of the same size are trapped.

Latest research and review of face mask use using, direct epidemiological, ecological studies, modeling, transmission characteristics, source control, human studies, droplets filtration, PPE, risk compensation behavior, etc

Found cloth masks reduced jet distance from 8feet to 2.5inches, reduced spread, fluid dynamics calculated filtration at 90%.,


https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Aside from your fake news link the rest of you words are irrelevant. Jet distance is a sick person that has no business out committing attempted murder. Nobody claims that a sleazy, sloppy, slobbering, pig hacking goobers should not wear a mask. Duh!

What you keep failing to realize is the truth that there is not, nor has there ever been, a single legitimate reason for a healthy person to wear a mask if the goal is to avoid covid.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 11:30 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 9:23 pm

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 9:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 7:23 pm
What you call a droplet may be a thousand times smaller than a hair and you can not see it. It goes through a mask like a mosquito through a chain link fence.

Not true, been using face masks in the mining industry for years, and dust particles of the same size are trapped.

Latest research and review of face mask use using, direct epidemiological, ecological studies, modeling, transmission characteristics, source control, human studies, droplets filtration, PPE, risk compensation behavior, etc

Found cloth masks reduced jet distance from 8feet to 2.5inches, reduced spread, fluid dynamics calculated filtration at 90%.,


https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Aside from your fake news link the rest of you words are irrelevant. Jet distance is a sick person that has no business out committing attempted murder. Nobody claims that a sleazy, sloppy, slobbering, pig hacking goobers should not wear a mask. Duh!

What you keep failing to realize is the truth that there is not, nor has there ever been, a single legitimate reason for a healthy person to wear a mask if the goal is to avoid covid.

This discussion has come to an end, rejecting good peer reviewed science, and years of historical evidence, and in the same breath saying Bishops should be released from their calling for supporting senior church leaders.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 5:40 pm

WikiUp wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 1:35 pm
The question is asked " Why do surgeons wear masks ..."

To keep their own body fluids (sneeze, cough, drool, tears ) out of the patients body opening and to keep their medical license with the AMA. Nothing to do with virus particles so small they pass through the surgical mask.

Note the CDC OSHA etc and manufacturers state in writing the masks are not effective in preventing COVID19. See below post.

Virus don't have wings, they try to stay in the host body and replicate. They are only expelled from the body in droplets. Whether droplets have bacteria or virus they are trapped in mask.

If It is cold outside a person's breath is hot and the cold air condenses on the hot air, it not moisture expelled from the lungs.

HereWeGo wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 8:33 am Whether the Church's mask policy comes from them lying, them being clueless, them being inspired or them making policies that are good for the religious/corporate organization, I think it all comes down to a previous statement: "Their yard, their rules." They expect us to follow their doctrine, rules and guidelines if we want to play in their yard. If we don't want to follow the rules, we can choose to play somewhere else or they may choose to remove us from their organization and yard.

I believe that people should be free to choose what they want to do--wear a mask or not. If they want to make rules about masks, we then have to decide what we are going to do in response to the rules. I don't want to deal with masks and others so I choose to do church from home over Zoom. There are other issues in the Church which bother me and are more important than worrying if people need to wear masks.

HereWeGo wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 8:33 am Whether the Church's mask policy comes from them lying, them being clueless, them being inspired or them making policies that are good for the religious/corporate organization, I think it all comes down to a previous statement: "Their yard, their rules." They expect us to follow their doctrine, rules and guidelines if we want to play in their yard. If we don't want to follow the rules, we can choose to play somewhere else or they may choose to remove us from their organization and yard.

I believe that people should be free to choose what they want to do--wear a mask or not. If they want to make rules about masks, we then have to decide what we are going to do in response to the rules. I don't want to deal with masks and others so I choose to do church from home over Zoom. There are other issues in the Church which bother me and are more important than worrying if people need to wear masks.

bbrown wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 6:16 pm I live in Amish country (lots of menonites too)and they do think we’re ignorant Englishers. They do not wear masks at all. The Amish stores have no such silliness going on. Not one employee wears a mask. It’s mostly where I try to go, though Walmart does t require them here either

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 10:20 pm

David13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 9:17 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 8:10 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:07 pm

FALSE
There is no law in any area that requires masks. You might consider the differences between a rule, regulation statute, ordinance, law, or even an illegal declaration of emergency that exceeded 30 days.

If you live in Utah the mask order (not law) was issued by a governor that was not even legally the governor.

Laws are codified. That means you can look them up in a book of laws. There is no book that lists a mask law.

Spreading lies does not help anyone besides Satan. There is not even a possibility that a mask can help a healthy person not catch covid. There are people that have died from wearing a mask. Wearing something that creates a warm, moist, environment to propagate a virus is among the stupidest things a person can do.

Anytime anyone tells a lie that hurts more than it helps, that person is evil. There is not now, nor has there ever been, any evidence that a healthy person should wear a mask to prevent covid. When a person of trust, like a Bishop, suggests that people take the symbol of Satan, he is lower than whale shite. That is pretty low at the bottom of the ocean. It is not an honest mistake. The worthless piece of shite is destroying people's lives. But even worse, he is leading people to follow Satan instead of Jesus.

Church is supposed to be like fire insurance. You know, against being burned as stubble in the latter days. This is the latter days. So when people go to church to find Jesus and the Bishop slams them with a mandatory Satan following order, the Bishop might be better off committing suicide. Something about a mill stone around his neck in the water where the whale shite is.

Speaking of following Jesus...Jesus also said to Render to Cæsar the things that are Cæsar's, and to God the things that are God's. This means that we wear masks if required.

And let's not forget the 12th article of faith.

I fully believe that if Christ were here today, he would wear a mask because he is humble and obedient. Wouldn't he much rather wear a mask than to be nailed to a cross to die?

Pride and railing on church leaders is not a sign of following Christ, not by a long shot.

Well, the only problem is ... THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED!

None of you know it alls have read the state website which talks about this "requirement".

This is obvious.
dc

I repeat...I fully believe that if Christ were here today, he would wear a mask because he is humble and obedient. Wouldn't he much rather wear a mask than to be nailed to a cross to die?

It requires wisdom to know which battle to take on. If I don't wear a mask, being diabetic, I do not get medical care. Groceries and other necessities are difficult to buy if not wearing a mask. I don't like wearing one but I like getting slugged in the face even less. At 73, playing the macho role is not wise. Staying from unnecessary bumps and bruises is. Do you know what its like to live under a commiesocialist Governor? Kate Brown is playing the role of a Queen. And she has been funded by George Soros. Say what you will, but don't pretend that people are simply sheep. Know and be wise as to which battle to enter.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 9:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 7:23 pm
What you call a droplet may be a thousand times smaller than a hair and you can not see it. It goes through a mask like a mosquito through a chain link fence.

Not true, been using face masks in the mining industry for years, and dust particles of the same size are trapped.

Latest research and review of face mask use using, direct epidemiological, ecological studies, modeling, transmission characteristics, source control, human studies, droplets filtration, PPE, risk compensation behavior, etc

Found cloth masks reduced jet distance from 8feet to 2.5inches, reduced spread, fluid dynamics calculated filtration at 90%.,


https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

BeHealthy94 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 9:22 pm The native americans should be saying the same thing to all us AMERICANS....the hell with your t-shirts and pants!

Maybe we should create reservation lands for those anti-maskers to live in.

mcusick wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 1:27 am It's not about the virus. It's a sign of Christ-like love.

WikiUp wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 9:42 am

HereWeGo wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 8:33 am Whether the Church's mask policy comes from them lying, them being clueless, them being inspired or them making policies that are good for the religious/corporate organization, I think it all comes down to a previous statement: "Their yard, their rules." They expect us to follow their doctrine, rules and guidelines if we want to play in their yard. If we don't want to follow the rules, we can choose to play somewhere else or they may choose to remove us from their organization and yard.

I believe that people should be free to choose what they want to do--wear a mask or not. If they want to make rules about masks, we then have to decide what we are going to do in response to the rules. I don't want to deal with masks and others so I choose to do church from home over Zoom. There are other issues in the Church which bother me and are more important than worrying if people need to wear masks.

I'm 75 years old, 6'5" and 200 lbs - so I am supposed to be "at risk". I attend Church services in two different Wards depending on which house/State (UT/WY) i am in at the time. I don't wear a mask in Church. No person at Church requests me to put on a mask. I talk with members of the bishopric's while they are wearing masks. Other members also. My lack of a mask is not discussed by the Bishopric, Stake Presidency or High Councilmen when visiting the Ward or members.. They walk up to me - within two feet or so (so much for "social distancing" of 6 feet) - and have conversations. My wife plays the organ in the Utah ward and I sit on the stand - without a mask - with her. No person raises the matter, in fact I see other people taking off their masks at times. Notice that everyone who speaks from the rostrum takes off their mask. (HUH?)

I never wear a mask to services; not out in the community either. Twice in the community I have been requested to put on a mask: At a bank office once and a T-Mobile office once. I now use the drive-up at that one Bank branch (handing in possibly "contaminated" "ultra dirty" cash and documents) and I handed my phone into the T-Mobile store staff to have an app removed. Nobody considered how "contaminated" that phone could have been since I had been holding it and breathing on it for days/weeks/months when they accepted it without them wearing protective gloves - Geeeesh, super not logical. That phone could probably be more "contaminated" than a blue mask someone has been wearing and handling without replacement for days/weeks.

People are not thinking about the possible and unavoidable cross-contamination that is happening that cannot be avoided under current use guidelines (not laws).

If the virus was as dangerous as advertised, we would all be sick and/or dying from the il-logical use of masks, not wearing protective gloves and unavoidable cross-contamination. Think about it.

The virus scare is mostly fake.

David13 wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 12:09 pm

mcusick wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 1:27 am It's not about the virus. It's a sign of Christ-like love.

You are right. It has nothing to do with any disease. It has to do with blind obedience to nonsense. Pure sheepishness.

Now, where in the bible did it say Christ hid his God given face? NOWHERE!

it was Satan who wanted blind obedience, and no free will.
dc

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 7:10 pm The best way to deal with this nonsense is to wear an overly silly mask to church and get everyone else to do it too.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 8:10 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 4:07 pm

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 3:41 pm It is a requirement of local law in our area. The decision to force mask wearing came from Area Presidency, the gospel teaches obey and sustain law of the land.
Church insurrection person are the ones who should be booted out the church.

In 20y from now looking back one will see that wearing of masks was a very minor trivial thing, and getting worked up over it is plain silly.
The spiritual damage to those getting worked up over masks wil have long term eternal consequences.

FALSE
There is no law in any area that requires masks. You might consider the differences between a rule, regulation statute, ordinance, law, or even an illegal declaration of emergency that exceeded 30 days.

If you live in Utah the mask order (not law) was issued by a governor that was not even legally the governor.

Laws are codified. That means you can look them up in a book of laws. There is no book that lists a mask law.

Spreading lies does not help anyone besides Satan. There is not even a possibility that a mask can help a healthy person not catch covid. There are people that have died from wearing a mask. Wearing something that creates a warm, moist, environment to propagate a virus is among the stupidest things a person can do.

Anytime anyone tells a lie that hurts more than it helps, that person is evil. There is not now, nor has there ever been, any evidence that a healthy person should wear a mask to prevent covid. When a person of trust, like a Bishop, suggests that people take the symbol of Satan, he is lower than whale shite. That is pretty low at the bottom of the ocean. It is not an honest mistake. The worthless piece of shite is destroying people's lives. But even worse, he is leading people to follow Satan instead of Jesus.

Church is supposed to be like fire insurance. You know, against being burned as stubble in the latter days. This is the latter days. So when people go to church to find Jesus and the Bishop slams them with a mandatory Satan following order, the Bishop might be better off committing suicide. Something about a mill stone around his neck in the water where the whale shite is.

Speaking of following Jesus...Jesus also said to Render to Cæsar the things that are Cæsar's, and to God the things that are God's. This means that we wear masks if required.

And let's not forget the 12th article of faith.

I fully believe that if Christ were here today, he would wear a mask because he is humble and obedient. Wouldn't he much rather wear a mask than to be nailed to a cross to die?

Pride and railing on church leaders is not a sign of following Christ, not by a long shot.

mcusick wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 2:12 am Woah! Pharisee alert.

Might I recommend a book?

https://deseretbook.com/p/love-boldly-e ... -paperback

[jokes aside; good question]

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 12:12 am

David13 wrote: ↑January 19th, 2021, 12:09 pm

mcusick wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 1:27 am It's not about the virus. It's a sign of Christ-like love.

You are right. It has nothing to do with any disease. It has to do with blind obedience to nonsense. Pure sheepishness.

Now, where in the bible did it say Christ hid his God given face? NOWHERE!

it was Satan who wanted blind obedience, and no free will.
dc

Faith and humility IS blind obedience.

Nephi had no idea how he was going to obtain the plates from Laban. But through blind obedience, he said I will go and do.

Noah built an Ark by blind obedience, he didn't see any water for many months before completing the task. He was saying, I will go and do.

God seeks those that posses a willing mind, not a rebellious one. The wearing of a mask, if it is such an issue, can be asked of God if it be right. Is rebellion based on humility?

Fred wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 12:42 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 7:10 pm The best way to deal with this nonsense is to wear an overly silly mask to church and get everyone else to do it too.

That is actually a pretty good idea. What would we print on the mask. Here is a place that custom prints a mask for only $3.99 https://www.discountmugs.com/product/ma ... oth-masks/ There are actually quite a few different companies that will custom print masks if you search.

Maybe if people post their ideas about a mask that would actually hammer the point, we can all buy some and show just how silly masks are.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 11:43 am

Fred wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 12:42 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 7:10 pm The best way to deal with this nonsense is to wear an overly silly mask to church and get everyone else to do it too.

That is actually a pretty good idea. What would we print on the mask. Here is a place that custom prints a mask for only $3.99 https://www.discountmugs.com/product/ma ... oth-masks/ There are actually quite a few different companies that will custom print masks if you search.

Maybe if people post their ideas about a mask that would actually hammer the point, we can all buy some and show just how silly masks are.

Haha, i'm talking about full-on Halloween masks. The crazier, the better.

Fred wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 11:52 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 11:43 am

Fred wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 12:42 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 7:10 pm The best way to deal with this nonsense is to wear an overly silly mask to church and get everyone else to do it too.

That is actually a pretty good idea. What would we print on the mask. Here is a place that custom prints a mask for only $3.99 https://www.discountmugs.com/product/ma ... oth-masks/ There are actually quite a few different companies that will custom print masks if you search.

Maybe if people post their ideas about a mask that would actually hammer the point, we can all buy some and show just how silly masks are.

Haha, i'm talking about full-on Halloween masks. The crazier, the better.

Oh. I misunderstood. I thought you meant like putting sayings like these only better ones on the masks:

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 12:04 pm

Fred wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 11:52 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 11:43 am

Fred wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 12:42 am

That is actually a pretty good idea. What would we print on the mask. Here is a place that custom prints a mask for only $3.99 https://www.discountmugs.com/product/ma ... oth-masks/ There are actually quite a few different companies that will custom print masks if you search.

Maybe if people post their ideas about a mask that would actually hammer the point, we can all buy some and show just how silly masks are.

Haha, i'm talking about full-on Halloween masks. The crazier, the better.

Oh. I misunderstood. I thought you meant like putting sayings like these only better ones on the masks:

statements are good, but i was thinking about letting the mask itself do all the talking. You have to out-ridiculous their ridiculous.