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Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:28 pm

nightlight wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:24 pm

Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:12 pm

nightlight wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:00 pm

Yup

They're going to keep moving the goal post, and it looks like you're going to keep believing them.

Joe Biden will be inaugurated, and you'll feel a little let down.... And then Johnny Appleseed will upload another prophecy,moving the damn goal post all the way down the field with, " well my prophecy would have happened if we would have prayed hard enough" ..... Or " People didn't make the right choices so my prophecy didn't happen". blah blah blah
And " in a few months time, the white hats will take back the White House!!!"

Like I've been saying for months.... you're being spoon-fed disinformation from Q and the uploading prophets

Stop. Eating. It.

I understand what you are getting at.

Can you explain why all these Christians are saying the same things? Mark Taylor had awareness of this in 2011. There were others much earlier on. Where is it coming from?

where did Joseph Smith get his prophecy about selling the rights of the Book of Mormon in Canada?

So, you believe it must be Satan who is inspiring all these people to say these things, while admonishing them to pray, fast, and put their trust in God. And to bring up many Old Testament stories or everyone's edification. I don't think the devil works like that. Do you, really?

I think you're playing checkers.

Watch

nightlight wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:38 pm

Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:28 pm

nightlight wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:24 pm

Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:12 pm

I understand what you are getting at.

Can you explain why all these Christians are saying the same things? Mark Taylor had awareness of this in 2011. There were others much earlier on. Where is it coming from?

where did Joseph Smith get his prophecy about selling the rights of the Book of Mormon in Canada?

So, you believe it must be Satan who is inspiring all these people to say these things, while admonishing them to pray, fast, and put their trust in God. And to bring up many Old Testament stories or everyone's edification. I don't think the devil works like that. Do you, really?

I think you're playing checkers.

Watch

We are all going to see what happens. Hopefully, anyway. There is a phenomenon underway where different groups of people have increasingly different perceptions. We need God to bring absolute truth back.

sushi_ tends to guesstimate not all of those are under 5g or whatever influences/raders.
and at least must be some answers for those believers prayers ... besides americas of usa constitution is different from russias heartland ...

5g is just low power radio for goodness sake. I deal in terrestrial and satellite transmissions, and have for years. The only risk of 5g might be if we get to the point of saturation to get massive throughput in a very confined area, where they drop one or two right in or by your bedroom, in your home or apartment complex, and then you'd get radiated with RF energy, not likely to affect almost anyone. But not information, knowledge, viruses, or anything of that matter. It is a darned cellphone transmitter with a different algorithm to allow large bandwidths of data. So, silly.

This is pretty awesome. Tonight, Greg Hunter's USAWatchdog just posted an interview of Bo Polny and Amanda Grace. I know this is going to be a treat and would be good for all of you to take a look at.


https://usawatchdog.com/have-faith-its- ... -bo-polny/

I've said this elsewhere, but regardless of peoples' personal opinions and theories re: everything from what is happening, and what is going to happen, to timing, once administrative and authoritative control of the military changes hands, it's a whole different ballgame, and it will be whole orders of magnitude more difficult to make anything different happen at that point.

Once control of the military changes hands, only God will be able to overcome the weight and magnitude of that advantage. But that is really the bottom line -- at this point it's all in God's hands, and this country is toast without Him. The best answer is the same as it has always been: Repent! And actually turn to God.

And that goes for many of the so-called prophets too.

As long as there was an ounce of hope, some people chilled and waited as opposed to participating in a violent act which would not have helped anyone. A person without hope is unpredictable. A man that is hungry is dangerous, but only to fill his hunger. A man without hope can easily kill. Sometimes themselves. Hope is not a good thing to lose.

Does hope reside in 'the arm of flesh'?

What does 'the world' promise or ever has promised?

The only Hope - I strive to engender and keep alive - is in Christ.

Sarah wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 9:26 pm

Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 8:56 pm If this is all fake, can someone describe how all these independent Christian prophets are predicting the nation being saved in a miraculous situation? Where's that coming from? Is the devil doing that?

reminds me of a video I came across - the original was taken down apparently, but this guy has it starting at minute 38:38.

38:38

000038 is a similitude to 000057, or more so 572957. Me thinks some subjectivity may be involved with the likely first use of said new color code. Similitude was once upon a time, the second word of a two word sub-title, that I used for my earliest posts here, but failed to texturize it, such that it is searchable, and remains mostly unfound today. Until recently it was a weird relic, with no particular meaning. But now 2010 is understood in proper context, for those that have the eyes to see, or diligent seekers equipped with a quality search engine, and know how to use it.

38 x 60 = 2,280
2,280+38=2,318

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n1lLtmBG-zA&t=2318s

ROLL TAPE at 2318 seconds.

"Artful Revealer said:


I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate (I'll be the only one, it seems), although by no means do I think the Devil is behind Q.

Q is information warfare started by one or more members within the military and intelligence communities, seemingly incentivized by the attack on the US embassy in Libya which cost embassador Stevens' life. A group of people within the US military would've turned against their masters because the Obama administration supposedly gave a stand-down order to special ops who could've intervened and saved him. They saw it as treason and realised, or already knew and decided to act on it, that American lives of those who serve the US were deemed expendable by their leaders. I don't think anyone knows who exactly Q is, but probably someone or some close to Michael Flynn.

Qanon is everyone who took Q's intel and ran with it, adding their own interpretations and theories to it which led to what happens every time there's a new conspiracy theory: it turns into a maze of fantasies where no one can distinguish the real from the false anymore. Most self-proclaimed Anons don't seem like political scientists or philosophers, seem fairly new to this conspiracy stuff and seem quick to believe pretty much anything that fits the theory. However, I don't think this is the part people should focus on.

Is it a psyop? It's probably in part a psyop, and partly something else. Every operation has an objective and that objective is something that most people who felt that the mainstream official narratives (fake news) were construed to hide the truth, could align with, ie. expose and eliminate the corrupt establishment. An easy one to get behind. One of its undeniable and in my opinion positive effects is that the collective consciousness of the corruption in our institutions has grown exponentially in the past 4 to 5 years. Topics that were restricted to the online community surfaced to the mainstream and can no longer be suppressed, not even by the draconian censorship big tech is implementing right now.

Psyops are operations to manage the people's spirits and behaviours and there are many psyops at once that are conflicting. Singling out Q as the psyop seems like a grave error, considering it's in my opinion clearly a reactionary psyop against other psyops that have already been long in play. In the years leading up to Q we've seen major psyops with terror attacks to elicit consent for endless wars in the Middle East, the rise of terrorist organisations seemingly appearing out of nowhere, an Arab Spring where people were made to believe there was an organic international uprising against corrupt autocrats, false flag chemical attacks to garner support for military interventions, appeal-to-emotions to facilitate massive population displacements, and then we're only zooming in on the Middle East.

I think Q is a rebellion by military and intelligence personnel, both active and retired, from within that deep state apparatus against a stranglehold by globalist factions that pull the political and military levers to syphon public and private wealth at the expense of, and garner international institutional control over, citizens worldwide.

In the US, I think Q genuinely represents a deep state faction that has existed for quite some time, but has not been in control for decades. People allegedly associated with Q, like Michael Flynn, seem reminiscent of nostalgic WASP Jacksonians predating the neocon/neolib tandem that has dominated the US for half a century. They portray themselves as patriotic, civic and economic nationalists, believers of American exceptionalism, limited government, and protectors of the Judeo-Christian value system, basically Americans from before the war. With regards to their plans to take down the deep state, I think only time will tell. I think there's a real attempt and they have been able to opt out of a military out-in-the-open hard coup when they realised they could have, and have had, an ideological ally in the White House. It'll probably continue with or without him and the extent of their success or failure remains to be seen.
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https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threa ... ost-392380

nightlight wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:24 pm

Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:12 pm

nightlight wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 10:00 pm

Chip wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 8:56 pm If this is all fake, can someone describe how all these independent Christian prophets are predicting the nation being saved in a miraculous situation? Where's that coming from? Is the devil doing that?

Yup

They're going to keep moving the goal post, and it looks like you're going to keep believing them.

Joe Biden will be inaugurated, and you'll feel a little let down.... And then Johnny Appleseed will upload another prophecy,moving the damn goal post all the way down the field with, " well my prophecy would have happened if we would have prayed hard enough" ..... Or " People didn't make the right choices so my prophecy didn't happen". blah blah blah
And " in a few months time, the white hats will take back the White House!!!"

Like I've been saying for months.... you're being spoon-fed disinformation from Q and the uploading prophets

Stop. Eating. It.

I understand what you are getting at.

Can you explain why all these Christians are saying the same things? Mark Taylor had awareness of this in 2011. There were others much earlier on. Where is it coming from?

where did Joseph Smith get his prophecy about selling the rights of the Book of Mormon in Canada?

How do you know it was a false revelation? The revelation was clearly conditional

Yeah, it was David Whitmer's view that it was false (he was trying to promote the "Joseph = fallen prophet" view), but Hiram Page's (who was actually there) view was that it was a true revelation, but because the conditions were not met, securing the copyright did not happen

Allison wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm Are we positive that the whole Insurrection Act scenario is false, really? How do we know this?

We don't. The scenario has fairly good logic and reasoning behind it, and is especially attractive because its tough to imagine any other scenario that could prevent the awful abyss we are about to descend into.

Trump's term ends on the 20th even if the insurrection act moves forward

Allison wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 7:56 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 7:49 pm

Allison wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 7:00 pm I want to believe the hopium, anything at all to find a little hope. However, apparently none of it has been true, which makes one wonder about a lot of people. It’s hard to know who to believe any more.

Question: If there had been no hope, would we, in fact, have behaved differently, and if so, how? At least with all our false hope, we came out to the rallies and car and truck parades, the huge pro-Trump flotillas, etc. And we were given a visual glimpse of how many we are. We united around a man and his ideas... and not all of them were necessarily the best ideas, but he was so much better than the alternative, and he was taking such a beating for us that we felt a lot of gratitude and even affection for him...and for each other. He was uniting, not divisive, except for a few.

If there had been no hope, I think I would have withdrawn and focused on how my family was going to survive. I don’t think any of us would have gone to Washington with our guns, though. So how would we have responded differently?

The alternative was that real truth tellers would rise to power, or those who were not compromised that they couldn't control. The bad guys know that there will always be opposition, so the way you ensure you win is to compromise and control as many of the "good" guys as you can, or get some to lie for you. A leader who told the truth would not just say that we were being manipulated by China and Russia intelligence and work to do something about corruption, but would actually do something about it, so that's the alternative. A truth teller would not only explain how our country was on the path to financial ruin, but actually take steps to decrease that fate. Trump talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk, and I personally believe it's because he has been compromised for a long time, he has a reputation of lying, and a background of acting.

But...your idea of a truth teller is Mitt Romney, right?

Right. Who indeed are these so-called 'truth-tellers' who would have risen to the top to save the day?? Any real truth-teller was already in the game. Problem is, they were countered by so many alleged truth tellers, such as Mitt Romney, they were effectively neutralized. And in recent days and weeks, the traitors have largely revealed who they are.

Sarah wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 8:10 pm . . . . .. Not necessarily, but I think so. I got the feeling from him that he strives for integrity. But I don't know his heart. I know I was suspicious that Ron Paul was compromised when he didn't come out strongly against what Trump was doing. He finally seemed to start complaining more about the Fed, but I don't follow him so I don't know. I like Romney and always have because he has spoken out against Russia and Trump when it wasn't popular for a Repub to do so. But he is right in my opinion.

This is so cockamamie.

What Trump was doing and was trying to do was to bring manufacturing back, lower taxes, protect our borders, unshackle and foster medium and small business, hamstring really bad trade agreements (NAFTA, TPP, etc.) to include create trade agreements where none existed before, to the US advantage; emphasize that America was founded on Christian/belief in God principles (I've heard him do this so many times, I would be hard pressed to count them); reform the VA.; wrap the Fed under the Treasury Dept. (this is muddy and the full effect of this isn't well-understood, despite Jason's contentions), etc., etc., etc. The list goes on to include supporting and rebuilding our military and supporting law-an-order, our police institutes, our border protection people. Going up against Chinese hegemony and infiltration of our country and its virtual take over of the Big Tech 5 and numerous politicians, and other major corporations.

And he made excellent beginnings and even inroads on these problems, ALL in the face of extreme opposition and attacks. His successes were reflected in a resurgence of Christian identity for all races and religious freedom in general, benign nationalism, very high employment rates of 'minority' populations, etc., and a relatively booming economy (before they launched COVID to counter all of these successes). I've never seen a perfomrance like this in all my born days.

Mitt on the other hand mounted a vicious ad hominem attack on the man, despite getting DT's full support in 2012, and yes, many other Republicans were attacking and in opposition to Trump at the time; gulled Utahns into thinking he supported many of Trumps positions BEFORE he got the Utah Sen. nomination, then started in on attacking Trump after he got the nomination, following by many other attacks on him, to be capped by his treacherous impeachment vote, then his march in support of BLM, followed by his inability to recognize very real election/voter fraud.

Mitt Romney is the most off-the-track politician I've ever seen. One of the people he undoubtedly follows, William Kristol (neocon principal, induced Evan McMuffin to run for the presidency) recently jumped ship to the Democratic Party. I would bet money that Mitt voted for this guy, who has recently announced he is in favor of tracking Trump supporters for retaliation purposes.

I guess it just amounts to you and I living on separate planets.

Perhaps the most important accomplishment Trump has achieved is to cause the very real opposition to come out of the wood-work and reveal themselves. This has been extremely illuminating.

My own personal belief is that Trump (along with others) have brought about conditions where most of us can now see and understand our "awful situation", because of the doings of the secret combinations among/above us. Now is the time for the majority of us to awake to a sense of these things. It's right in front of our eyes, and I see this new awareness among many I know, and many in our ward.

sushi_chef wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 11:11 am "Artful Revealer said:

I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate (I'll be the only one, it seems), although by no means do I think the Devil is behind Q.

Q is information warfare started by one or more members within the military and intelligence communities, seemingly incentivized by the attack on the US embassy in Libya which cost embassador Stevens' life. A group of people within the US military would've turned against their masters because the Obama administration supposedly gave a stand-down order to special ops who could've intervened and saved him. They saw it as treason and realised, or already knew and decided to act on it, that American lives of those who serve the US were deemed expendable by their leaders. I don't think anyone knows who exactly Q is, but probably someone or some close to Michael Flynn.

Qanon is everyone who took Q's intel and ran with it, adding their own interpretations and theories to it which led to what happens every time there's a new conspiracy theory: it turns into a maze of fantasies where no one can distinguish the real from the false anymore. Most self-proclaimed Anons don't seem like political scientists or philosophers, seem fairly new to this conspiracy stuff and seem quick to believe pretty much anything that fits the theory. However, I don't think this is the part people should focus on. . . . . . .

I think this is a fairly accurate assessment from the "Artful Revealer".

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 6:20 am

As long as there was an ounce of hope, some people chilled and waited as opposed to participating in a violent act which would not have helped anyone. A person without hope is unpredictable. A man that is hungry is dangerous, but only to fill his hunger. A man without hope can easily kill. Sometimes themselves. Hope is not a good thing to lose.

Does hope reside in 'the arm of flesh'?

What does 'the world' promise or ever has promised?

The only Hope - I strive to engender and keep alive - is in Christ.

Yes, but one can't help but harbor hope in one or more avenues that seem to promise our political, social, economic and personal well-being. These hopes are what propel us along in our various activities in the world. And the hope you mention isn't necessarily exclusive to these hopes.

tmac wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 5:22 am I've said this elsewhere, but regardless of peoples' personal opinions and theories re: everything from what is happening, and what is going to happen, to timing, once administrative and authoritative control of the military changes hands, it's a whole different ballgame, and it will be whole orders of magnitude more difficult to make anything different happen at that point.

Once control of the military changes hands, only God will be able to overcome the weight and magnitude of that advantage. But that is really the bottom line -- at this point it's all in God's hands, and this country is toast without Him. The best answer is the same as it has always been: Repent! And actually turn to God.

And that goes for many of the so-called prophets too.

That's rather how I see it, thinking if DT acts on the Insurrection Act, he better be doing it fairly quickly.

All I’d hoped was for Captain Trump to bring on the damned whale for justice. But maybe I sin in my wish and ought to leave it to the Lord to bring about Zion His own way. Only the Lord can truly defeat this whale.

sushi_chef wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 11:11 am "Artful Revealer said:

... Psyops are operations to manage the people's spirits and behaviours and there are many psyops at once that are conflicting. Singling out Q as the psyop seems like a grave error, considering it's in my opinion clearly a reactionary psyop against other psyops that have already been long in play. In the years leading up to Q we've seen major psyops with terror attacks to elicit consent for endless wars in the Middle East, the rise of terrorist organisations seemingly appearing out of nowhere...”

True - we've been under psychological warfare for many years. Now it’s just more obvious. How do we defend against it?
Maybe:
*Learn to think critically & spot logical fallacies/cognitive distortions,
*Help others to see through the manipulation, &
*Maintain hope (pray often, work toward daily...yearly goals).


Again, Collective unconscious is real. You know how some people have been talking about “DRAINING THE SWAMP”? Maybe those instigating the false hope psyops got their idea from this ancient story...

“...The labour that is associated with Aquarius is the labour of cleansing the Augean stables. In this myth Hercules is challenged to clean the royal stables of a King, which had never been cleaned before and so were caked in the stench and filth of years of accumulated dung! His challenge was to clear them in one day – a task that was thought to be impossible. There were two rivers flowing nearby, and Hercules accomplished the task by simply re-directing the rivers – which flushed out the stable.
So in the symbology of Aquarius the continuous theme of flowing water emerges, and always with a human involved – possibly acting as an agent of change or awareness...”
https://astrology-symbols.com/aquarius/

^ That & the hippy psyops way back when...
https://youtu.be/BTZArvbmG_o

Scriptures talk of astrology, signs etc., & there is likely symbolic truth in the Aquarius symbol of the man with the pitcher in a story of Christ. But the adversary takes truth & good, & mixes it with deception & evil.

nvr wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 5:28 pm . . . Too many believe the promise that the military is working in the background to take down deep state players. This idea that we ought to simply 'trust the plan' gives false hope and wastes opportunity for action. This Q movement is meant to pacify conservatives and defuse true efforts to restore freedom. It's well past time to be more rigorous and intellectually honest in our consumption and sharing of news.

I don't believe it. Parts of Q at various times may have been preempted to provide this type of distraction. But to say: "This Q movement was/is meant to pacify conservatives and defuse true efforts to restore freedom" seems a stretch, imo. I think sushi_chef's "Artful Revealer" got it about right.

Further, to compare the Trust w/the Q 'movement', also rather misses the boat and is quite beyond the mark. The Trust was put in place for very specific military and political purposes, including to tempt the leaders of the White Russians to slack their efforts thinking the Bolsheviks were about to be overthrown and had significant inside opposition and to cause them to dampen their efforts to gain western allies; but also to fool anti-Bolshevik organizations and individuals abroad into thinking they still had groups still active in Russia, with the primary purpose of compromising and revealing who they were to the Cheka who controlled those groups.

The latter activity allowed them to bag Sidney Reilly, British super spy (extremely fascinating individual, originally named: Zigmund Markovich Rozenblum, born in Odessa, Russia) who had been at least indirectly involved in the assassination of Moisei Uritsky, head of the Petrograd Cheka, and to some degree the attempted assassination of Lenin, both in 1918.

Equate Q with the Trust? Very weak comparison.