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Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 9:41 am

samizdat wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 9:33 am He hasn't said it DIRECTLY. But his ACTIONS have proven louder than his words, and what the other Apostles have been saying as well as the Utah Area Presidency, would indicate that the Prophet backs them entirely.

People continue misunderstanding the masks being Christlike. It was a petition to charity.

Two Apostles have used the word “Christlike” in citing the reasons for wearing masks. Why are you choosing to misunderstand what they plainly said?

They are applying the fact that people want to wear masks with the intent of protecting others as charity. As if to say, if you have charity, you will want to protect others, and if you want to protect others, wear a mask.

The truth is out. Masks do far more harm than good. Anyone stating other wise is not being truthful.

It is not known if Jesus caught a cold (corona virus), but if it was important, someone would have mentioned it. Regardless, there are zero stories of Jesus wearing a mask. Therefore, wearing a mask is NOT Christlike and anyone saying that it is, is not being truthful.

We know that the shot is of the devil. It even bears his name; Luciferase. But, if that is not enough, the vaccine requires the murder of unborn children. That can not even possibly be called Christlike. Again, anyone saying otherwise is not being truthful.

We know that the 15 approve of KSL telling a hundred lies a day and so one can not honestly say that truth is valued in Church owned businesses. As for the Brethren themselves, it would be rather unfortunate if President Nelson spent his entire life in the medical field and did not learn that masks do not stop covid. But even if he missed that class, it says so right on the box that the masks come in that they are not effective against covid. The manufacturer states that the masks are not effective against covid. Lots of doctors have come forward to state the same. For President Nelson to claim that masks do work is not being truthful.

So obviously, sometimes he tells the truth and sometimes he does not. The lie that masks work is easily misproven. One can do their own research and find the truth. Then one must decide if they are going to continue to listen to fake news.

People have for hundreds of years worn masks for protection against flue. Every time you go to the dentist, or have an operation the medical professional wearers a mask. Plenty of pics of the Prophet wearing masks in surgery, it is not to protect the doc but the patient.

It is such a trivial thing wearing a mask, what a bunch of cry babies on this forum. Yes Jesus submitted to all of Roman Occupation and cruelty. There is a need to obey and sustain the law. Having church meeting closed down, because it is so look inconvenient to wear a mask is pathetic.





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Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 2:14 pm There is a need to obey and sustain the law.

Except we don't:

• "But woe to tyrants, mobs, aristocracy, anarchy, and toryism, and all those who invent or seek out unrighteous and vexatious law suits, under the pretext and color of law, or office, either religious or political." (Joseph Smith, TPJS 117, March 1838)

No-one is against masks because of the mask itself. They are against the deception behind the entire narrative and the subsequent eradication of freedom under the guise of security (see Moses 4:1-3)

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 9:27 am . . . . I haven't been ill with 'flu' symptoms, although now that masks are required in all public places, I can't shop or attend meetings without struggling to breathe, being dizzy, & having chest pain.

Masks are said to lower your O2 stats by as much as 20%, meaning over a certain time (my guess is, this doesn't take long) your O2 intake drops to about 18% if you are at sealevel. At the same time, your CO2 stats relative to O2 would increase. Not a healthy situation, especially for older folk, not even considering that masks are apt to concentrate whatever pathogens you may be harboring.

If you are living in SLC or environs, your "Effective Oxgen Percentage" already drops to about 17.9% , so a 20% drop in your O2 stats due to masks would lower your O2 percentage to 14.3%, which is the amount of oxygen you would take in if you were at an elevation of 10,000 feet. (see: https://hypoxico.com/altitude-to-oxygen-chart/ ).

And wearing a mask outside is ridiculous, UV light and all, and the fact that you won't catch anything from this virus unless its concentrated, coupled with wind currents, and the inverse squared distance law that almost immediately attenuates the amount of virus you may be breathing out.

Most places I go to, I'll not wear a mask. But when I shop at CostCo or Smith's (groceries), I'll don a mask at the entry (unless a monitor is absent at Smiths), then take it off during my shopping. I may don it going through a manned checkout station, but it comes off again as soon as I'm through it; and I won't cover my nose ever, unless the checkout person makes an issue of it (which they've done).

I also like to challenge any particular store saying I need to mask up, by asking something like: "You going to call the police and have me arrested?" But you have to smile when you say something like that. Doing this usually disarms them, and if they insist, you mask up, but neglect to cover your nose.

One of the main reasons I avoid masks is to let other people see me doing so, and hopefully they will be encouraged to break through the social conditioning and follow suit.

I'm going to repost a couple of links here (if I can refind them) to videos where people who have spent years enforcing OSHA regs for masks in a variety of situations, say the masks being worn are absolutely worthless to prevent the spread of any contagion; and the regs are based on years of documented research. Masks are only good for what they were made for. Period full stop.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 2:14 pm People have for hundreds of years worn masks for protection against flue. Every time you go to the dentist, or have an operation the medical professional wearers a mask. Plenty of pics of the Prophet wearing masks in surgery, it is not to protect the doc but the patient.

It is such a trivial thing wearing a mask, what a bunch of cry babies on this forum. Yes Jesus submitted to all of Roman Occupation and cruelty. There is a need to obey and sustain the law. Having church meeting closed down, because it is so look inconvenient to wear a mask is pathetic.





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Well “gospel donkey” if it really was just about the masks then I bet almost every one of us cry babies would happily wear one...

We don’t wear them because they are inconvenient. I assure you for the entire past year it has been very inconvenient for me to try to live without wearing one

wearing a mask does absolutely nothing;
except shows you've been deceived and follow satanic leaders.

Doctors, nurses, and dentists wear masks so their saliva and sneezes don’t land on the patient. They don’t wear them to protect anyone from spreading a virus. That’s what hazmat suits are for. We are actually HARMING our fellowman when we promote masks for covid protection because we give them a false sense of safety.

But maybe that’s the goal of the WHO, CDC, et al.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:15 pm Doctors, nurses, and dentists wear masks so their saliva and sneezes don’t land on the patient. They don’t wear them to protect anyone from spreading a virus. That’s what hazmat suits are for. We are actually HARMING our fellowman when we promote masks for covid protection because we give them a false sense of safety.

But maybe that’s the goal of the WHO, CDC, et al.

Yup masks protect the patient from getting infection and viruses from the doctor. So we should wear mask to prevent infecting others. Due to incubation period, one can never be certain if you have an infection.

Wearing a mask does not harm anyone, just reduces the risk of infection transmission.
Does not give a false sense of safety, wearing masks is a reminder of the risk. When walking into a crowded place and no one wearing masks, that is a false sense of security. People wearing masks makes it real, and a reminder of social distancing....

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:37 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:15 pm Doctors, nurses, and dentists wear masks so their saliva and sneezes don’t land on the patient. They don’t wear them to protect anyone from spreading a virus. That’s what hazmat suits are for. We are actually HARMING our fellowman when we promote masks for covid protection because we give them a false sense of safety.

But maybe that’s the goal of the WHO, CDC, et al.

Yup masks protect the patient from getting infection and viruses from the doctor. So we should wear mask to prevent infecting others. Due to incubation period, one can never be certain if you have an infection.

Wearing a mask does not harm anyone, just reduces the risk of infection transmission.
Does not give a false sense of safety, wearing masks is a reminder of the risk. When walking into a crowded place and no one wearing masks, that is a false sense of security. People wearing masks makes it real, and a reminder of social distancing....

Thank you for your posts here...you will find that there are many here who do not share your view of masks. Do not worry; I am not one of them.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:37 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:15 pm Doctors, nurses, and dentists wear masks so their saliva and sneezes don’t land on the patient. They don’t wear them to protect anyone from spreading a virus. That’s what hazmat suits are for. We are actually HARMING our fellowman when we promote masks for covid protection because we give them a false sense of safety.

But maybe that’s the goal of the WHO, CDC, et al.

Yup masks protect the patient from getting infection and viruses from the doctor. So we should wear mask to prevent infecting others. Due to incubation period, one can never be certain if you have an infection.

Wearing a mask does not harm anyone, just reduces the risk of infection transmission.
Does not give a false sense of safety, wearing masks is a reminder of the risk. When walking into a crowded place and no one wearing masks, that is a false sense of security. People wearing masks makes it real, and a reminder of social distancing....

Cloth and paper masks DO NOT protect anyone from a virus. If there is a virus in the air around you, it will go right through your mask, and if you are spreading a virus, it will go right through your mask into the area around you with every breath you breathe. That’s science. Virus particles are incredibly tiny. Would you put up a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out of your yard. Would you? Seriously, that’s how well the masks are protecting people from covid, flu, whatever virus is floating around.

It’s a psy-op, and mask-promoters have been duped, or are knowingly duping their fellowmen.

When people preach lies and are caught in their lies, why do they not retract their lies?

Both Gong and Renlund told thousands of people that masks work. Both were proven wrong. Presumably, God allowed them to live in order to tell the truth this time, but as far as I know, they have not admitted that they were wrong. But, it did prove another lie, and that is that the disease is dangerous. Not to invalidate anyone that died from covid, but if they did, they had something else going on.

One can not fix stupid.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

When one lies and is proven wrong and continues to lie, one can correctly call them a liar. If one is looking for truth, that is not where it will be found.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:51 pm If there is a virus in the air around you,

What do you think determines if there is a virus in the air around you? Do they just randomly, spontaneously materialize in space?

Almost nobody in the world wore a mask to stop the spread of viruses. Then along came COVID-19, and now we are all told to wear a mask. It's the "Christ-like thing to do". So, after this current pandemic ends, there will still be plenty of other viruses floating around. Many of them, like the annual flu virus, will still be dangerous to the elderly population. So I would expect to see all good Latter-day Saints to continue to wear masks until we have eliminated every virus, dangerous to the elderly, on the earth. After all, it's the "Christ-like thing to do". Maybe the rest of the unbelieving world can go back to seeing each other's faces, but not for those of us who want to emulate what Christ surely would have done. Maybe it will be like the Amish. We recognize them by their horse drawn wagons. We'll be able to recognize true followers of Christ by the masks they wear, from this time going forward. We'll have our regular masks, our Church going masks, and special masks for baptisms and Temple Work. Maybe a few verses could be added to the Word of Wisdom to cover the wearing of masks and gloves, to make it official.

For the record, our sweet Bishop realized his error and that he had conflated statements of others of the Brethren and the prophet’s statement about being “good global citizens,” and he sent out a very humble and manly apology to our whole ward. I wish I could delete this thread now. I just wanted to know if I had missed something from President Nelson.

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:10 pm wearing a mask does absolutely nothing;
except shows you've been deceived and follow satanic leaders.

wearing masks gives a complete false sense of security.

and
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SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 8:42 pm

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:10 pm wearing a mask does absolutely nothing;
except shows you've been deceived and follow satanic leaders.

wearing masks gives a complete false sense of security.

and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58329&p=1089392&hil ... d#p1089392

Yes people are braver to go shopping and go to work when they believe the mask will protect them. Without the mask, people would be scared to walk into a Walmart full of 200 people.

I am using raw garlic to keep me healthy.

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 9:45 pm

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 8:42 pm

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:10 pm wearing a mask does absolutely nothing;
except shows you've been deceived and follow satanic leaders.

wearing masks gives a complete false sense of security.

and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58329&p=1089392&hil ... d#p1089392

Yes people are braver to go shopping and go to work when they believe the mask will protect them. Without the mask, people would be scared to walk into a Walmart full of 200 people.

I am using raw garlic to keep me healthy.

400 to a thousand people at any given time. Sometimes they close all of the doors except one so that someone can keep count as everyone enters and leaves. I used to ask the counter what the number was when I entered. The Super Center that I go to never has less than 400.

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 9:45 pm

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 8:42 pm

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 6:10 pm wearing a mask does absolutely nothing;
except shows you've been deceived and follow satanic leaders.

wearing masks gives a complete false sense of security.

and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58329&p=1089392&hil ... d#p1089392

Yes people are braver to go shopping and go to work when they believe the mask will protect them. Without the mask, people would be scared to walk into a Walmart full of 200 people.

I am using raw garlic to keep me healthy.

Good idea. Anything to keep people a healthy distance from you

mike_rumble wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 7:29 pm Almost nobody in the world wore a mask to stop the spread of viruses. Then along came COVID-19, and now we are all told to wear a mask. It's the "Christ-like thing to do". So, after this current pandemic ends, there will still be plenty of other viruses floating around. Many of them, like the annual flu virus, will still be dangerous to the elderly population.So I would expect to see all good Latter-day Saints to continue to wear masks until we have eliminated every virus, dangerous to the elderly, on the earth. After all, it's the "Christ-like thing to do". Maybe the rest of the unbelieving world can go back to seeing each other's faces, but not for those of us who want to emulate what Christ surely would have done. Maybe it will be like the Amish. We recognize them by their horse drawn wagons. We'll be able to recognize true followers of Christ by the masks they wear, from this time going forward. We'll have our regular masks, our Church going masks, and special masks for baptisms and Temple Work. Maybe a few verses could be added to the Word of Wisdom to cover the wearing of masks and gloves, to make it official.

Ouch!

Allison wrote: ↑January 14th, 2021, 8:42 pm For the record, our sweet Bishop realized his error and that he had conflated statements of others of the Brethren and the prophet’s statement about being “good global citizens,” and he sent out a very humble and manly apology to our whole ward. I wish I could delete this thread now. I just wanted to know if I had missed something from President Nelson.

No worries...and thanks for the update as well as all the good convo as usual. We’re all adults here (I think), and all fall short of what, who and where we’d like to be. I’d never wish the mantle of Bishop on anyone. I also don’t think anyone is losing or gaining their eternal salvation wearing a mask or not. I’m assuming most of us here have gone through many influenza seasons (and few other coronavirus seasons) mask-free before this controlavirus.

It also appears that a few of our civic overlords are tiring of the masquerade as well...we’ll see very soon if they can keep it going much longer.

Our Stake Conf. is this weekend...I'm hoping it doesn’t turn into a Covid conf as some of them are WuFluTruBeliever-ites. Faith over fear!

It also appears that a few of our civic overlords are tiring of the masquerade as well...

Love that 'similitude!'

Along with: "WuFluTruBeliever-ites:"

Masks and social distancing do work. Our ward Bishop was saying the other day he did not get the flue once this year, where he usually get it + 3 times a year. The same with me, I never took the work flue vaccine this year and did not get sic once, where I usually catch it a number of times a year. I travel a fair bit for work as well as our ward bishop.

Gospel Donkey wrote: ↑January 16th, 2021, 1:12 am Masks and social distancing do work. Our ward Bishop was saying the other day he did not get the flue once this year, where he usually get it + 3 times a year. The same with me, I never took the work flue vaccine this year and did not get sic once, where I usually catch it a number of times a year. I travel a fair bit for work as well as our ward bishop.

Your Bishop is an idiot. It is not physically possible for a paper or cloth mask to prevent a virus 1000 times smaller than a hair to enter. It may be luck or something else he is doing but if he claims it is the mask, he is not only stupid, but a liar as well.