Not paying tithing feels empowering?

[FreedomFighterUSA]

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/12 ... i-stopped/

[Lizzy60]

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/12 ... i-stopped/

She still tithes, but her tithe goes to people she believes God wants her to help, rather than to LDS.org.

If a person believes they have received personal revelation from God, and they are able to act on that revelation, yes, that can be very empowering. Really, what can be more empowering than doing the will of the Lord?

[mac]

Its more blessed to give than recieve, its also the spirit in which you give that is important, those that give readily without murmer shall recieve comfort to their souls, if you give a tenth of your monies to some one and they abuse it, whats that to you, you gave to them as if you gave it to God, and God seeing you openly share of your substance will bless you regardless of how another wether wisely or unwisely uses your free will offering.

Yes let God whom sees all things be the one to bless or to curse, yet let us be generous and leave judgement to God...

Tithing is but a temporal law, its designed to teach us to be generous, to be giving, to learn to sacrifice that others less fortunate might share in our good fortunes,, in the end to teach us bluntly how to love our fellow men.
In a perfect Christ centred society there would be no law concerning tithing, its only given when a people need said law set in stone when they lack christian charity and love for their less fortunate brethren...
That law will be ended when we learn to be giving without a need for a law to command us to be so...

[David13]

I was sort of thinking about things like this at this season, the Christmas season, as some people are compelled to give me little presents and trinkets.

My thought was, it's the thought that counts.

If so, they only need think of it, rather than give me the thing. Usually the thing is ... cookies. I usually only have about 10 types of cookies in the house, and only eat maybe some of 1 or 2 types. My eyes are bigger than my appetite for cookies, so I eat fewer than I buy. So what do they give me ... cookies.

They could just think about it and not give me.

This year some one gave me candy. I suppose I have about 15 types of candy, only 2 or 3 of which do I eat.

I moved here 3 1/2 years ago, and only recently threw out uneaten candy and cookies that I had brought with me from Los Angeles.

It was an unusual candy I had never seen before. I gave it to someone else, and he said, oh, he likes that type? True, or just graciousness?

Made me think the one who gave me the candy, that was probably his favorite type. People tend to want to give what they like. But that doesn't mean the recipient likes that item or brand or flavor.

Better to think about giving, than actually give. It's the thought that counts.
dc

[Cruiserdude]

I was sort of thinking about things like this at this season, the Christmas season, as some people are compelled to give me little presents and trinkets.

My thought was, it's the thought that counts.

If so, they only need think of it, rather than give me the thing. Usually the thing is ... cookies. I usually only have about 10 types of cookies in the house, and only eat maybe some of 1 or 2 types. My eyes are bigger than my appetite for cookies, so I eat fewer than I buy. So what do they give me ... cookies.

They could just think about it and not give me.

This year some one gave me candy. I suppose I have about 15 types of candy, only 2 or 3 of which do I eat.

I moved here 3 1/2 years ago, and only recently threw out uneaten candy and cookies that I had brought with me from Los Angeles.

It was an unusual candy I had never seen before. I gave it to someone else, and he said, oh, he likes that type? True, or just graciousness?

Made me think the one who gave me the candy, that was probably his favorite type. People tend to want to give what they like. But that doesn't mean the recipient likes that item or brand or flavor.

Better to think about giving, than actually give. It's the thought that counts.
dc

Wow you got out of Kommiefornia just in time

[Shaffer89]

Made me think the one who gave me the candy, that was probably his favorite type. People tend to want to give what they like. But that doesn't mean the recipient likes that item or brand or flavor.

My wife happens to be very good at picking gifts and I suck at it, this year I actually managed to get her something that was thoughtful and fit her needs perfectly. While discussing my thought process on choosing a gift it became apparent that my downfall is choosing something I think I would like, or something that fits my persona as the giver. It was enlightening, but made me realize that despite the selfless seeming intent of giving gifts, it is often done selfishly and makes me wonder if we would be better off without it.

[JohnnyL]

I have heard many say, and even by personal experience, stopping obeying commandments does feel empowering--at least for a while. It's like the feeling you get when you take off the seatbelt, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet.

[David13]

I have heard many say, and even by personal experience, stopping obeying commandments does feel empowering--at least for a while. It's like the feeling you get when you take off the seatbelt, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet.

I think the greater issue is who do you pay it to. The great corporation in Salt Lake, or the people on your street out of work and near starving due to governmental tyranny?

If you don't pay it to the corporation that owns the big fancy Temples and meeting houses (chapels), you in theory are not allowed in the Temple.

So is it tithing or corporate membership dues? The Temples and chapels are closed. So what are you paying for? For internet in your house? I don't have to pay Salt Lake for that, do I?
dc


I always use a seat belt if my vehicle is moving. I always start thinking of pain if I ride my motorcycle without a helmet. I wear the helmet for a 10 foot ride. A lot of people here don't wear a motorcycle helmet at all when they ride.

[Gadget]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

[Robin Hood]

I was sort of thinking about things like this at this season, the Christmas season, as some people are compelled to give me little presents and trinkets.

My thought was, it's the thought that counts.

If so, they only need think of it, rather than give me the thing. Usually the thing is ... cookies. I usually only have about 10 types of cookies in the house, and only eat maybe some of 1 or 2 types. My eyes are bigger than my appetite for cookies, so I eat fewer than I buy. So what do they give me ... cookies.

They could just think about it and not give me.

This year some one gave me candy. I suppose I have about 15 types of candy, only 2 or 3 of which do I eat.

I moved here 3 1/2 years ago, and only recently threw out uneaten candy and cookies that I had brought with me from Los Angeles.

It was an unusual candy I had never seen before. I gave it to someone else, and he said, oh, he likes that type? True, or just graciousness?

Made me think the one who gave me the candy, that was probably his favorite type. People tend to want to give what they like. But that doesn't mean the recipient likes that item or brand or flavor.

Better to think about giving, than actually give. It's the thought that counts.
dc

I remember you mentioning this last year.
Feed the cookies you don't like to the birds. They struggle to find high fat food at his time of year.

[Gadget]

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/12 ... i-stopped/

They declared faulty and did not pay a full tithe. The commandment is simple and anyone thinking the rules are different for them are being disobedient.

What is worse, not paying a full tithe or declaring you did when in fact you didn't?

I think the lie is worse

[Thinker]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

To who? God or men?

Do you honestly think God’s monetary system is US dollars or any other currency?

[Lizzy60]

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/12 ... i-stopped/

They declared faulty and did not pay a full tithe. The commandment is simple and anyone thinking the rules are different for them are being disobedient.

What is worse, not paying a full tithe or declaring you did when in fact you didn't?

I think the lie is worse

What if your choice is to disobey God or disobey the men who run the LDS church?

[samizdat]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

To who? God or men?

Do you honestly think God’s monetary system is US dollars or any other currency?

Tithing is but a lower law.

I would really hate to see y'all live consecration.

By this very fact we can see that there are many not ready to live a Zion lifestyle, all other things considered.

[NewEliza]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

I would/will as well, just to whatever charity or individual I felt was a good cause.

[Thinker]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

To who? God or men?

Do you honestly think God’s monetary system is US dollars or any other currency?

Tithing is but a lower law.

I would really hate to see y'all live consecration.

By this very fact we can see that there are many not ready to live a Zion lifestyle, all other things considered.

Tithing has become a corrupted law. How temples are used to get tithing/MONEY is priestcraft. Overcharging for worthiness is also wrong. Tithing, as it has been used to manipulate members, & burden those already poor, is evil.


I hope we wouldn’t live Zionism...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i6GtPLYC_Cc/ ... nsMeme.jpg

How would you liked to be forcefully kicked out of your home, with no citizenship anywhere? Palestinian refugees, +70 years ago (1948) were kicked out, & Israel land was stolen from Palestinians. Millions are still homeless.
https://youtu.be/WuZrD5JjfXA

Look up Scofield bibles to see how you’ve been conditioned to support “Zionism.” If we can’t even see through the evil deception of this, what makes you think we’re even headed in the right direction of having “no poor among us”??

[AugustoBR]

Tithing is not to help the poors.

DC 119
2 For the building of mine house, and for the laying of the foundation of Zion and for the priesthood, and for the debts of the Presidency of my Church.

3 And this shall be the beginning of the tithing of my people.

You can donate to the poors anyway but it is not a tithing.

[Aprhys]

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/12 ... i-stopped/

They declared faulty and did not pay a full tithe. The commandment is simple and anyone thinking the rules are different for them are being disobedient.

What is worse, not paying a full tithe or declaring you did when in fact you didn't?

I think the lie is worse

Pray tell what the commandment is please because I cannot find one strict example of what is 10%. Is it on your net or gross? Some apostles and prophets said that you pay after you have taken care of your families needs first. But now we are supposed to pay even if our kids are shoeless and starving. So of there is an actual commandment of tithing I would like to follow it so help me out here.

[BeHealthy94]

I stopped paying tithing 5 yrs ago for the same reasons mentioned in the article. I felt empowered and a huge burden off my back.

Started back up paying tithing two months ago because after 9 months of the pandemic seeing how many people are affected and suffering yet my household is maintaining our comforts...was a clear testament to me that the Lords blessings are with me.

My mother in law whom passed last year was single living on her own for over 15 years. She has always received living assistance and food from her ward.
When she passed away last year I had a moment to reflect and felt ashamed that me and my wife (her daughter) barely did anything to help her yet the ward was more of a family to her then us.

[sandman45]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

Lol wut?

[TheDuke]

I recently went through the question of continuing paying tithing or not. I have issues with the way the Church uses it and doesn't use it. But, in the end I promised the Lord a few years back that I would do it along with a few other things, and have had more of the Spirit. So, in the end, I decided until the Lord gives me a strong revelation to the contrary that I am bound by my own promise or personal covenant, regardless if why I made the promise many years ago.

BTW, there are several things I do, some very hard, because I promised to do them, it seems long ago that I did so, and so many things have changed in family, church, etc... but then I think, what is 40-50 years to the Lord.

So, I'd say if you promised the Lord that you would pay tithing and He comes and visits you and tells you not to........... you should stop and spend the money elsewhere.

[Silver Pie]

I have had many blessings giving directly to the poor. It's as if God has my back. During the ~50 years I gave money to the Church, I was not blessed more; I was rarely taken care of. Perhaps it was, in part, because I paid tithing when I should have paid my bills. I paid tithing when I should have bought food to eat.

[Robin Hood]

If I left the church and had my name removed from the records I would still pay my tithing.

To who? God or men?

Do you honestly think God’s monetary system is US dollars or any other currency?

Tithing is but a lower law.

I would really hate to see y'all live consecration.

By this very fact we can see that there are many not ready to live a Zion lifestyle, all other things considered.

Tithing has become a corrupted law. How temples are used to get tithing/MONEY is priestcraft. Overcharging for worthiness is also wrong. Tithing, as it has been used to manipulate members, & burden those already poor, is evil.


I hope we wouldn’t live Zionism...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i6GtPLYC_Cc/ ... nsMeme.jpg

How would you liked to be forcefully kicked out of your home, with no citizenship anywhere? Palestinian refugees, +70 years ago (1948) were kicked out, & Israel land was stolen from Palestinians. Millions are still homeless.
https://youtu.be/WuZrD5JjfXA

Look up Scofield bibles to see how you’ve been conditioned to support “Zionism.” If we can’t even see through the evil deception of this, what makes you think we’re even headed in the right direction of having “no poor among us”??

The Palestinians were not forcibly kicked out of their homes. They left their homes because the Arab nations attacked Israel and told them to for their own safety, as they claimed they were going to wipe out Israel and drive the Jews into the sea. They would be able to return to their homes as soom as the deed was done.
They didn't expect Israel to win the war. When they did, Israel refused to let the refugees come back and I don't blame them. The Arab countries created the refugees, now they have to deal with it.
Serves them right.

[Thinker]

... They didn't expect Israel to win the war. When they did, Israel refused to let the refugees come back and I don't blame them. The Arab countries created the refugees, now they have to deal with it.
Serves them right.

How do you think Israel won?

U.S. Financial Aid To Israel 1948-Present: $84, 854, 827, 200
https://www.wrmea.org/u.s.-aid-to-israe ... esent.html




And to whom has Israel been giving US military intelligence?

Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China
https://www.military.com/defensetech/20 ... y-to-china

Why the U.S. Can’t Get Israel to Break Up With China
“Israel gets billions of dollars in military aid from the United States every year, and the two allies share broad strategic, political, and cultural interests.” (which is significantly why Israel “won.”)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/16/us ... ina-deals/

[creator]

Pray tell what the commandment is please because I cannot find one strict example of what is 10%. Is it on your net or gross? Some apostles and prophets said that you pay after you have taken care of your families needs first. But now we are supposed to pay even if our kids are shoeless and starving. So of there is an actual commandment of tithing I would like to follow it so help me out here.

Read D&C 119. It's not Net or Gross. It's "one-tenth of all their interest annually" ... "tithed of their surplus properties".