I would say maybe except for the provision for inheritance of black skin from before the flood through genetic inheritance according to Abraham:I Dont Know... wrote: ↑December 8th, 2021, 9:23 pm...could it be both. I know the Lord was very explicit regarding the nakedness of man/woman/father/daughter/son/mother/son/aunt etc....Baurak Ale wrote: ↑December 8th, 2021, 8:54 amYou're both forgetting the JST of the curse on Ham's son:I Dont Know... wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2021, 4:25 amThanks brother,ransomme wrote: ↑March 17th, 2021, 5:08 am
CURSE 1
In v.24 what was that curse? Wasn't that the curse of Canaan as we read in v.21-22? That curse was not a curse of blackness. Noah cursed Ham's son Canaan because Ham "saw the nakedness of his father". (Genesis 9:20-25)
What does that mean to "[see] the nakedness of his father"? It appears to be a Hebrew idiomatic phrase that means intercourse. In short, Ham had sex with his mom and Canaan was the product of that. That is why Canaan was cursed for Ham's sin.
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Genesis 9:29 – 30, JST:
29 And Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done unto him; and he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
30 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant, and a veil of darkness shall cover him, that he shall be known among all men.
Abraham 1:21 – 24 (emphasis added):
In Enoch's vision of antediluvian events, he identifies what the 'blood of the Canaanites' is:21 Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.
22 From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land.
23 The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;
24 When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.
Moses 7:6 – 8, 10 – 12, 22 (emphasis added):
In summary, Enoch sees the descendants of Cain, who are expressly stated as being black, and is told not to preach to them, the Lord calling them 'the people of Canaan.' This is extremely significant because some people mock Joseph Smith for using the name of Noah's grandson in an anachronistic antediluvian context, but these verses reveal that Ham must have named his son, Canaan, after the land where the descendants of Cain lived (as opposed to the name being something novel that Ham made up).6 And again the Lord said unto me: Look; and I looked towards the north, and I beheld the people of Canaan, which dwelt in tents.
7 And the Lord said unto me: Prophesy; and I prophesied, saying: Behold the people of Canaan, which are numerous, shall go forth in battle array against the people of Shum, and shall slay them that they shall utterly be destroyed; and the people of Canaan shall divide themselves in the land, and the land shall be barren and unfruitful, and none other people shall dwell there but the people of Canaan;
8 For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people....
10 And the Lord said unto me: Go to this people, and say unto them—Repent, lest I come out and smite them with a curse, and they die.
11 And he gave unto me a commandment that I should baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, which is full of grace and truth, and of the Holy Ghost, which beareth record of the Father and the Son.
12 And it came to pass that Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were the people of Canaan, to repent....
22 And Enoch...beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them.
Hence scriptural references to "Canaanites" before the flood are references to a black people descendant from Cain, and scriptural references to "Canaanites" after the flood are of a black people descendant from Cain, preserved through Ham (though later through mixing with Shem's descendants the Canaanites of the Middle East became lighter skinned). This applies to Ham's other descendants too, according to Abraham, such as Mizraim (Pharaoh), Cush, etc.
So did Ham have sex with his mom? If so, then the blood of the pre-flood Canaanites would have been present in Japheth and Shem too as her children and their descendants too would "of that lineage by which [they] could not have the right of Priesthood" (Abr. 1:27). But this is not so. No, the scriptures bear out that Ham had married someone of the forbidden bloodline, a black woman descended from Cain, and that the incident with Noah's nakedness had something to do perhaps with Ham's attempt to steal rites to the priesthood by way of Noah's garment, the same that Adam received of the Lord in the Garden of Eden. As Abraham again observed, Ham's ruse apparently was interpreted by his descendants as being successful (akin to modern Muslims believing Esau never sold the birthright, justifying their traditions): "The Pharaohs would fain claim [right of Priesthood] from Noah, through Ham" (Ibid., emphasis added).
But that's a discussion for a different time.