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Thinker wrote: ↑April 5th, 2021, 10:55 am

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 4th, 2021, 11:36 pm Hmm. My personal viewpoint is that I don’t think that this is an example of pedo symbolism. You have a fingerprint here conveying the uniqueness of the individual with many icons including a heart...

There’s more - look again at it & FBI discovered pedophile symbols. And again, repeatedly covering up child sex abuse is nothing to casually dismiss. Even though a pedophile came forward to confess himself & named Nelson’s daughter, it was dismissed. Some have reason to believe church leaders have influence over Utah courts. So as it is, all we can do is study it out & pray. After doing so, I’ve felt the Spirit confirm the need to maintain boundaries & warn. I could be wrong, but again, I’d rather err on the side of caution, given all the facts.

A lot of things are possible. I've seen it go both ways, dirty stuff gets covered up but then false allegations made for profit. You look at Joseph and Potiphar's wife, the queen's word may have been credible because nobody had a reason to doubt her, but then you have the servant of Morianton who was beaten badly and took her story to Moroni. These things are really hard to prove sometimes and the guilty can look innocent and vice versa.

When it comes to symbols though, and having been a designer for nearly 30 years, it is very very easy to craft something that can be taken out of context. The main reason is because everyone wants to use the most powerful symbols for good or evil. Designers know what symbols are powerful but may not be aware of how they are being used for evil purposes. It's hard to really find any symbol at all that isn't be used by some group or movement to communicate their ill intent.

The most well-known is probably the rainbow and the homosexual movement. Just because one group uses a symbol doesn't make it off limits for others. Context is key otherwise we wouldn't be able to use any symbols at all.

You mention the fingerprint below, but again, simply stringing together this and that doesn't equal proof of nefarious intent or even a connection. I can't tell you how often something will be designed and someone will come along and say "Oh, I wouldn't do that... people might interpret it to mean _____" and that happened with an animated project for kids where a particular scene that was completely innocent was read into by a homosexual who suggested that a particular action could be interpreted as a very disgusting practice that I had no idea even existed.

Designers are typically given a lot of leeway when it comes to what they design and hiding deep connections to nefarious things just isn't something you really see. Secret combinations, the real ones, are not stupid enough to compromise their situations by playing childish games.

There are a lot of musicians, artists, and such that like to use Illuminati symbols and such to create controversy and stir delusions of grandeur and while they may be millionaires they don't hold a candle to the global titans, many of whom you've probably never heard their names.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 5th, 2021, 10:55 am Another issue worthy of attention is the reason for the fingerprint, given how the lds church has sold members’ & their families’ genealogical information to ancestry who recently sold it to China-affiliated Blackstone. China has been harvesting organs from concentration camp prisoners & even US donors.

Blackstone Reaches $4.7 Billion Deal to Buy Ancestry.com
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... cestry-com

“Blackstone Announces Majority Stake in the Largest Logistics Park in China's Greater Bay Area 09 November 2020 HONG KONG, November 10, 2020 -“
https://www.blackstone.com/press-releas ... -bay-area/

A Hong Kong-flagged cargo ship departed South Carolina in July carrying 6,000 pounds of human remains valued at $67,204
https://www.westernjournal.com/shipping ... argo-ship/

China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes
“Some of the more than 1.5 million detainees in Chinese prison camps are being killed for their organs to serve a booming transplant trade that is worth some $1 billion a year.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chin ... s-n1018646

Blackstone Group to Buy Stake in Israeli Firm Behind Gov Surveillance Software
https://www.mintpressnews.com/blackston ... re/230073/

As far as China goes, it's true that they do a ton of evil and doing any dealings with them is kind of a mixed bag. But remember how God is wiser than man. Remember how Ammon went to dwell among the murderous King Lamoni and even had the gall to SERVE and HELP him. But in doing so, he did what no Nephite, not even Mosiah seemed to think was possible, he was the one factor that changed entire nations.

You can kill and destroy your enemies but it is much better to convert them. The Book of Mormon has these stories in it for a reason, they were put there by people who saw our day and knew the impact they would have.

Many may not trust the church, but I trust God. He has his ways and secret combinations will be destroyed, their days are numbered. Until then, I'm not surrendering the church to them by my absence. The vast majority of the saints are good and I trust the church collectively far more than any other organization I can think of because of the people I know at all levels.

This is interesting!

https://freemasoninformation.com/2018/0 ... reat-work/

Masons- The great work!
LDS church- A great work!


“Like all the Mysteries of Magism, the Secrets of “the Great Work” have a threefold signification: they are religious, philosophical, and natural.
– Albert Pike

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 10:43 am... I trust the church collectively far more than any other organization I can think of because of the people I know at all levels.

You ignored red flags. I’ve done that too, wanting so much for someone I loved to not have done evil. I won’t ignore them. The way evil grows is by many good people turning a blind eye to evil. Maybe you work for the church - maybe not, but one way or another you are dismissing serious evil.

To each their own.
I trust God, not men.

IcedKoffee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 11:56 am This is interesting!
https://freemasoninformation.com/2018/0 ... reat-work/

Masons- The great work!
LDS church- A great work!

“Like all the Mysteries of Magism, the Secrets of “the Great Work” have a threefold signification: they are religious, philosophical, and natural.
– Albert Pike

That is interesting - both Freemasonry & lds youth manual using the same exact theme, “Great Work.”

Albert Pike (high level Freemason) suggested some things contrary to Christ & are telling of wickedness in high places...




The “covenant path” is a Freemason path. My dad 1st went through the temple when they still had the Freemasonry part requiring swearing to slit your throat if you tell. After that, he never wanted to go back.

It still has a lot of Freemasonry...

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 2:11 pm

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 10:43 am... I trust the church collectively far more than any other organization I can think of because of the people I know at all levels.

You ignored red flags. I’ve done that too, wanting so much for someone I loved to not have done evil. I won’t ignore them. The way evil grows is by many good people turning a blind eye to evil. Maybe you work for the church - maybe not, but one way or another you are dismissing serious evil.

To each their own.
I trust God, not men.

Ok, ok let's back up. First, I don't work for the church and I never have. My family are made up of converts and I don't have any ancestry that are members and I've never lived in Utah, my people are from the Gulf Coast so there's a lot of distance between me and the Church headquarters.

Now, I didn't say or imply at all that I trusted the church or men more than God, I said that "I trust the church collectively, meaning all of us" (Jesus even said as much in D&C 1) more than any other organization out there like our federal government, for instance. In no way would I ever ignore an evil and I am very much a skeptical person. However, I'm not going to simply condemn something based on fuzzy evidence. Show me the evidence and where there is a clear and present wrong and I'll gladly condemn it.

Otherwise I'm just trusting in conjecture and supposition and that's a foolish thing to do. How would you liked to be condemned with the same measure of judgment? Christ said that we are judged with the same measures that we use to judge others.

So I am very, very careful with how I judge particularly because I have seen what I thought were open and shut cases of guilt turn around on the tiniest factor that later proved innocence.

Evidence was presented here to suggest the church is involved in human trafficking and the sexual exploitation of children based on some artwork on a youth manual. The possibility that something could be there is certainly plausible but that alone isn't evidence of such a serious gross grime. I've taken the time to explain as a designer of almost 30 years how common it is for designs to include symbols or shapes that could have alternative meanings read into them by imaginative observers.

People can find penises, perverted gestures, hidden words, all kinds of stuff in artwork and graphic designs created by well-intentioned artists. This is one of the powers of symbolism, symbols have the potential and utility to carry whatever meanings people want to endow them with for good or ill.

So no, I don't accept that some artwork on a manual is evidence that our leaders are participating in or endorsing the sexual exploitation of children. If you have that evidence above that, then I suggest you report it to the police or proper authorities so something can be done about it.

But I'm not going to accept that me not buying into someone's interpretation of a youth manual cover is me being ignorant or turning a blind eye to evil. Like I said before, I had a first counselor that was a convicted pedophile but he was not on the sex offender registry somehow. This predator was in my home and around my kids so I am freaking hyper aware of how stealthy and wicked these people are. I follow Operation Underground Railroad, Pop Squad, I'm taking a youth protection course right now, about 30% through and I am all about holding these people accountable, but the only way to do that is with evidence.

I understand your concern. It is super interesting to find connections and perhaps be the means for uncovering truth. But there are a TON of false leads that aren't connected to anything. That doesn't mean they aren't worth exploring, but you need A LOT more than just observations and speculations to prove a crime.

I'm not going to assume anything about you other than respond to what you have said, and in the spirit of brotherhood, I ask that you not label me as ignorant, dismissive of evil, and a truster of men more than God because those labels are not true.

And the misapplication of how I have been quickly and incorrectly judged leads me to question the judgement leveled against the church because of this youth manual. I would be much more interested if the discernment was applied consistently and accurately across the board.

Lastly, I don't harbor any negativity against you personally. You and I appear to both agree that children should be protected and wickedness pulled down. We both agree that God reigns supreme over all and that puts us on the same side. This minor misunderstanding or disagreement is nothing next to volumes of truth we agree on.

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 4:12 pm...Show me the evidence and where there is a clear and present wrong and I'll gladly condemn it...

I already did but you dismissed REPEATED child abuse cover ups by church leaders, & how the church has given our genealogical information to ancestry who has sold it to China-affiliated (& other nefarious ties) Blackstone. Is that worthy of trust??

This is damming evidence but you dismiss it. Again, I understand cognitive dissonance - I suffered from it for most of my life. And I don’t condemn you - so many times I have agreed with you & have been impressed with your eloquence in expressing ideas. But this is a case in which you seem unable to see what is right in front of you. Why? For me, when I struggled with seeing ugly facts, it was because admitting ugly facts meant I’d either have to make major changes which could really rock the boat in other aspects (marriage, social) - or live with knowingly supporting evil. It was much easier to ignore facts that were inconvenient to what I wanted to be true. But again...

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 2:26 pm

IcedKoffee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 11:56 am This is interesting!
https://freemasoninformation.com/2018/0 ... reat-work/

Masons- The great work!
LDS church- A great work!

“Like all the Mysteries of Magism, the Secrets of “the Great Work” have a threefold signification: they are religious, philosophical, and natural.
– Albert Pike

That is interesting - both Freemasonry & lds youth manual using the same exact theme, “Great Work.”

Albert Pike (high level Freemason) suggested some things contrary to Christ & are telling of wickedness in high places...




The “covenant path” is a Freemason path. My dad 1st went through the temple when they still had the Freemasonry part requiring swearing to slit your throat if you tell. After that, he never wanted to go back.

It still has a lot of Freemasonry...

Ok guys. First off the whole "great work" thing. That's all over the scriptures, here's a few for you, that's probably where the Masons got it. The Masons have a ton of stuff lifted from Judeo-Christian beliefs, scripture, etc. They made a thing out of it and very little of it is original other than the composition and organization of the ceremony.

"And Israel saw that great work which the Lord did upon the Egyptians" Exodus 14:31

"And I sent messengers unto them, saying, I am doing a great work, so that I cannot come down:" Nehemiah 6:3

"O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep." Psalm 92:5

"that we have been made instruments in the hands of God to bring about this great work." Alma 26:3

"For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men;" 1 Nephi 14:7

"Covenant path" is no doubt lifted from the very many occurrences of the straight/strait and narrow path in scripture. We walk this path and we make covenants so put them together and that's hardly a Masonic invention.

That aside, the endowment is ABSOLUTELY crafted using a lot of Masonic ideas. This isn't news to anyone let alone the early saints who were Masons and participated in the endowment. Joseph use the Masonic structure and elements to craft the endowment as a tool for delivering the covenants made there. It was an effective existing model that worked. The covenants in the endowment are unique to our theology and the purpose of the endowment is different that what the Masons use their own version for.

At it's core it isn't that much different from us creating a church and using a church building with architecture similar or identical to what was used at the time with steeples, pews, a pulpit, etc. We even borrowed the meeting style, preaching, communion, hymns with hymnbooks with existing Christian hymns. We wore the suits, ties, slacks, dresses.

We appropriated a ton from existing Christianity.

So seeing Masonic elements already heavily borrowed from the scriptures to craft a teaching ceremony to deliver those covenants isn't really a shocker. People back then got it, I just think were less and less members are Masons and less people generally know about Masonry and typically see it as a branch of the Illuminati; it's suspicious. To be honest, I don't blame them either. A lot of really great men were Masons throughout the years and I imagine there were a lot of really bad men that were Masons.

I've dug into it and there's not really much to see here that hasn't already been deeply analyzed over decades and decades. There's nothing nefarious.

Christian's appropriated the Roman torture device, the cross, as the symbol of their faith.

APPRO’PRIATE, verb transitive [Latin ad and proprius, private, peculiar.]
1. To set apart for, or assign to a particular use, in exclusion of all other uses; as, a spot of ground is appropriated for a garden.
2. To take to one’s self in exclusion of others; to claim or use as by an exclusive right.
3. To make peculiar; as, to appropriate names to ideas.

Brigham Young even shamelessly admitted that's what we do: “I want to say to my friends that we believe in all good. If you can find a truth in heaven, earth or hell, it belongs to our doctrine. We believe it; it is ours; we claim it.” (DBY, 2)

And if you don't like some Brigham, here it is from Joseph himself:

“Mormonism is truth; and every man who embraces it feels himself at liberty to embrace every truth: consequently the shackles of superstition, bigotry, ignorance, and priestcraft, fall at once from his neck; and his eyes are opened to see the truth, and truth greatly prevails over priestcraft… Mormonism is truth, in other words the doctrine of the Latter-day Saints, is truth. … The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.” (Letter from Joseph Smith to Isaac Galland, Mar. 22, 1839, Liberty Jail, Liberty, Missouri, published in Times and Seasons, Feb. 1840, pp. 53–54; spelling and grammar modernized.)

So if Joseph saw some truth in the respected forms of Masonry in his day, he felt that he had the right to embrace it, appropriate it, and use it for the kingdom.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 4:35 pm

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 4:12 pm...Show me the evidence and where there is a clear and present wrong and I'll gladly condemn it...

I already did but you dismissed REPEATED child abuse cover ups by church leaders, & how the church has given our genealogical information to ancestry who has sold it to China-affiliated (& other nefarious ties) Blackstone. Is that worthy of trust??

This is damming evidence but you dismiss it. Again, I understand cognitive dissonance - I suffered from it for most of my life. And I don’t condemn you - so many times I have agreed with you & have been impressed with your eloquence in expressing ideas. But this is a case in which you seem unable to see what is right in front of you. Why? For me, when I struggled with seeing ugly facts, it was because admitting ugly facts meant I’d either have to make major changes which could really rock the boat in other aspects (marriage, social) - or live with knowingly supporting evil. It was much easier to ignore facts that were inconvenient to what I wanted to be true. But again...

Well, didn't dismiss any specific coverups. Were these coverups proven in the court of law? If so, then I condemn them. I'm not sure what I'm dismissing here. I've only said that I cannot condemn or judge based on conjecture and I've been focusing more on the whole youth manual thing anyway. As to specific coverups, I would need to see the details of each case and would support any attempts to hold the guilty accountable. Cognitive dissonance? A little ad hominem there.

I don't dismiss any damning evidence. Can you give me one example of a damning evidence that I am dismissing? I think we agree, but there is disagreement that we agree.

As far as giving our genealogy to Ancestry, you could easily mine the same information with a FamilySearch account. I'm not sure what danger genealogy is, it's not exactly top secret information. Maybe as the Chinese dig into their ancestry they'll feel the Spirit of the work and the Lord will use it to his advantage. The Chinese are very respectful of their ancestors and I could see that doctrinal point of our theology having a profound impact on the people. Can you explain how China having genealogical information is harmful? It's not like they "own" it, we're all sharing copies of records.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 2:26 pm

IcedKoffee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 11:56 am This is interesting!
https://freemasoninformation.com/2018/0 ... reat-work/

Masons- The great work!
LDS church- A great work!

“Like all the Mysteries of Magism, the Secrets of “the Great Work” have a threefold signification: they are religious, philosophical, and natural.
– Albert Pike

That is interesting - both Freemasonry & lds youth manual using the same exact theme, “Great Work.”

Albert Pike (high level Freemason) suggested some things contrary to Christ & are telling of wickedness in high places...




The “covenant path” is a Freemason path. My dad 1st went through the temple when they still had the Freemasonry part requiring swearing to slit your throat if you tell. After that, he never wanted to go back.

It still has a lot of Freemasonry...

Ok, I hate to do this to you, my friend, but I'm just making a point here. I'm doing this as pure SATIRE to prove a point so everything below is absolutely tongue-in-cheek.

Thinker, I've taken your avatar and have revealed you to be part of the Illuminati with strong ties to Masonry and I think you need to be investigated.

Your avatar is a clear dog-whistle to others in this forum who are likewise part of the combination, but you haven't fooled me.

You chose an image that I found which is a depiction of a sunrise with the sun (all-seeing-eye) strategically positioned over the top of a pyramid-like mountain.

The name Lucifer was the name of the planet Venus was at one point Heosphoros meaning "DAWN-bringer" which is a clear reason why you chose an image of a dawn over a pyramid. The three rays of the sun emanated from the top, the all-seeing-eye, represent the three degrees of Masonry.

Below are flowers growing from a fertile spot of ground, a spot likely fertile because the mound covers a mass-grave watched over by the pyramid.

So I know your intentions, I know who you work for, and I know that you think that you are clever that you can hide this all in plain sight from everyone. The fact that you refer to yourself as "Level 34 Illuminated" is the final nail in the coffin. We all know that Masonry has 33 degrees but pointing to a 34th. We all know Christ died at 33 years old and by you putting yourself at 34 you seek to elevate yourself as above Christ himself as does Lucifer himself.
Ok, SATIRE OFF.

Do you see how easy this is to do? Take an image, add some lines and text from Wikipedia and build the narrative and you have a weapon to aim at whoever you like. It's easy to do and I see people doing it all the time so you have to be VERY, VERY careful how you aim your symbolic interpretations and the allegations made by looking at manuals.

There's real evil stuff out there, but we can't do any serious work if we are chasing phantoms. Sure, it's worth investigating, but we have to be very careful we don't judge poorly.

Lady Gaga who is connected to the WHO and the Global Citizen foundation also has some very curious artwork that she is now using to promote her new album!

And these are the organizations that the church is now openly promoting and encouraging its members to follow. No one is claiming to have a smoking gun. But there is more than enough evidence of the church walking/ working hand in hand with these evil entities to warrant a concern. To suggest that anyone is saying that a particular piece of artwork ALONE is enough to condemn the leaders of the church is just plain disingenuous.

Also Lady Gaga!

WHO & Global Citizen representative!

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 4:43 pm...So if Joseph saw some truth in the respected forms of Masonry in his day, he felt that he had the right to embrace it, appropriate it, and use it for the kingdom.

So if Joseph Smith saw some truth in secret combinations, which Freemasonry is, doesn’t mean it is of God. Especially when high degree Masons have said things like this:

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 4:55 pm Well, didn't dismiss any specific coverups. Were these coverups proven in the court of law?

Was 2020 presidential election voter fraud ever proven in a court of law?

Government does not dictate truth, especially when it’s corrupt.

• "We should never forget that everything Adolph Hitler did in Germany was ‘legal.’"-Martin Luther King Jr.

I already shared this but apparently you didn’t bother to read it. At this point, it’s obvious you refuse to acknowledge facts. You just keep asking me to share them. I share it AGAIN for others. Those interested can study further, ponder & pray to discern truth.

LDS Leaders Sex Abuse Cover-ups
“The Mormon church has a “culture” that protects sexual predators, Johnson said during the press conference.
“There is a very real, horrendous problem in the church right now,” she said. “That problem is that sexual predators are more protected in the Mormon church than innocent children and vulnerable adults.”

Participants (Native Americans) in the Church-sponsored Indian Student Placement Program have filed at least three sexual-abuse lawsuits.

"An Arizona prosecutor, who says a lawyer for the LDS Church told a bishop he didn’t need to inform police that a child was being sexually abused, has filed a bar complaint against that attorney and his law firm.
An indictment against the child’s parents suggests the abuse went on for a decade...”

President Nelson was involved in a case that was dismissed. It’s possible that Nelson & his daughter are innocent, but then why were Mile’s charges mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with B. Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties” (p. 15 & 20)?? If they were innocent why admit to something so disgustingly shameful?

...I don't dismiss any damning evidence. Can you give me one example of a damning evidence that I am dismissing?

...As far as giving our genealogy to Ancestry, you could easily mine the same information with a FamilySearch account...

... Can you explain how China having genealogical information is harmful?...

You have dismissed child abuse cover-ups & church leaders having a part in genealogical & DNA information of many members sold to China-affiliated, & Government Surveillance Stakeholder: Blackstone.

Genealogy database Ancestry.com is selling 75% of itself to Blackstone Group for $4.7billion in deal that will give the asset manager access to DNA data of up to 18 MILLION members 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -data.html

I already posted links about how China uses biological data to harvest human organs from concentration camp prisoners & even from US donors. And you ought to be aware of China’s surveillance & social credit system. How do you think they might misuse members’ DNA & genealogical data the church leaders helped give out? Maybe how they’re ALREADY misusing it.

Oh & you know how church leaders own part of Zoom & require members including children to be filmed on the World Wide Web...

ZOOM EXECUTIVE EXPOSED AS CHINESE COMMUNIST SPY WHO SABOTAGED ANTI-CHINA VIDEO CONFERENCES WITH CHILD PORN AND TERRORISM: DOJ
“Jin provided the Chinese Communist Party with information about users and meetings, even supplying the CCP with IP addresses from anyone who...”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/zoom-empl ... se-spy-doj

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 5:29 pm...Your avatar is a clear dog-whistle to others in this forum who are likewise part of the combination, but you haven't fooled me.

You chose an image that I found which is a depiction of a sunrise with the sun (all-seeing-eye) strategically positioned over the top of a pyramid-like mountain....

That’s a major reach. It’s a picture of Intelligent Design Nature, not human-created symbols. The pedophile symbols on the youth manual, is not a reach, especially considering the MANY cases of child sexual abuse church leaders have been accused of covering up - & yes, some are lawyers accusing.

You seem to be suggesting that symbols have absolutely no significance. I acknowledge symbols tend to have meaning ascribed to them. In & of themselves - they are not that which they represent or communicate about.

And I realize nobody is all-knowing enough to know of all secret combinations wickedness in high places & how they communicate to each other. This is why it’s essential to have our oil ready for our lamps - to see through deception, to discern evil to protect ourselves & our loved ones.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 8:55 pm That’s a major reach. It’s a picture of Intelligent Design Nature, not human-created symbols.

Can you give Fiannan my regards at the next Illuminati meeting?

thanks

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 8:55 pm

oneClimbs wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 5:29 pm...Your avatar is a clear dog-whistle to others in this forum who are likewise part of the combination, but you haven't fooled me.

You chose an image that I found which is a depiction of a sunrise with the sun (all-seeing-eye) strategically positioned over the top of a pyramid-like mountain....

That’s a major reach. It’s a picture of Intelligent Design Nature, not human-created symbols. The pedophile symbols on the youth manual, is not a reach, especially considering the MANY cases of child sexual abuse church leaders have been accused of covering up - & yes, some are lawyers accusing.

You seem to be suggesting that symbols have absolutely no significance. I acknowledge symbols tend to have meaning ascribed to them. In & of themselves - they are not that which they represent or communicate about.

And I realize nobody is all-knowing enough to know of all secret combinations wickedness in high places & how they communicate to each other. This is why it’s essential to have our oil ready for our lamps - to see through deception, to discern evil to protect ourselves & our loved ones.

Yes but you chose that picture out of all others and someone could point out things that you never intended, that’s my point.

You can read all kinds of things into anything if you want to but that isn’t proof of anything.

Even the Pope’s robes with the triangle spiral fringe, has that been a style for hundreds of years? How old are the pedo symbols, where did they originate? Do they post-date the Pope’s robe?

Just like the pentagrams on the Nauvoo temple, they were added 14 years before Eliaphas Levi wrote his book Transcendental Magic and ascribed the pentagram to the sign of excommunication. Before that it was a symbol of good luck, health and protection.

Symbols are indeed used for nefarious reasons but I seriously doubt the youth manual is a legitimate example.

Those pedo symbols if you read about them were used by individual pedophiles to identify their preferences. Broadcasting them on a youth manual doesn’t fit the pattern of how they are used at least how the FBI details the usage. And I’ve already explained how easy it is as a designer to produce something that can be taken out of context or read into because I have seen it in my career many, many times.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 9:27 pm Trying to attack my avatar was the most flimsy straw man I’ve seen!



What a stretch to compare God’s creation with symbols of wicked secret combinations.

• ”Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” - Isaiah 5:20

I was joking! Sorry, all meant in good fun

Trying to attack my avatar was the most flimsy straw man I’ve seen!



What a stretch to compare God’s creation with symbols of wicked secret combinations.

• ”Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” - Isaiah 5:20

OneClimbs, I know it was “satire” but you were still trying to use it as an argument to easily refute.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 7th, 2021, 9:35 pm Trying to attack my avatar was the most flimsy straw man I’ve seen!



What a stretch to compare God’s creation with symbols of wicked secret combinations.

• ”Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” - Isaiah 5:20

OneClimbs, I know it was “satire” but you were still trying to use it as an argument to easily refute.

Well, I was able to do all of that with a photo alone. It would be way easier if there were some actual symbols.

Yeah, it was ridiculous, but I also think that finding evil in a youth manual cover is also a stretch.

More of church leaders covering up child sex abuse...

Mormon church faces 7 new lawsuits for alleged Boy Scouts sex abuse cover-up in Arizona
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormon-churc ... se-arizona

Mormon Church slapped with lawsuit from 6 families over alleged child sexual abuse cover-up (WV)
https://www.christiandaily.com/article/ ... /61648.htm

* The Mormon Church has been accused of using a sexual assault victims hotline to protect the church from lawsuits, VICE News reported Thursday night.
* The way the church's hotline works was revealed in a lawsuit and other documents obtained by the outlet.
* VICE said the documents show that local Mormon leaders were forwarded to the church's law firm instead of being instructed to report allegations to the police.
https://www.insider.com/mormon-church-a ... ims-2019-5



LDS 2021 youth manual


Maybe those symbols are just innocent coincidence. After study, pondering & prayer, I’ve felt the need to err on the side of caution. But to each their own.

May God guide us, & may the good in all prevail.

https://jbucker.weebly.com/current-even ... es-parents

I finally wrote this up due to the music festival for youth the church put out in March. I think it is obvious that this is a pedophile promoting situation and at this point not pointing this out is a sin.

As the daily mail article points out, the monster jam company was forced to recall their toy they put out that had a heart within a heart logo on it. If the FBI is reporting to all of law enforcement around the country that this is how pedophiles communicate, then we cannot stand for this or anything that looks like it in anything we are a member of, and this calls for an investigation within our organization to find out who and where these symbols are originating from and looking for probable cause of pedophilia operations within our own church. For the church to use this logo is an outward signal that not only do they not stand against child abuse, but they are actually promoting it. This simply cannot be tolerated.

Juliet wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 6:20 am https://jbucker.weebly.com/current-even ... es-parents

I finally wrote this up due to the music festival for youth the church put out in March. I think it is obvious that this is a pedophile promoting situation and at this point not pointing this out is a sin.

As the daily mail article points out, the monster jam company was forced to recall their toy they put out that had a heart within a heart logo on it. If the FBI is reporting to all of law enforcement around the country that this is how pedophiles communicate, then we cannot stand for this or anything that looks like it in anything we are a member of, and this calls for an investigation within our organization to find out who and where these symbols are originating from and looking for probable cause of pedophilia operations within our own church. For the church to use this logo is an outward signal that not only do they not stand against child abuse, but they are actually promoting it. This simply cannot be tolerated.

At the very least, it should prompt precaution. I shared this with family but I think they dismissed it.

From your link:

• ”... we need to be careful what we allow our children to be a part of, as this church program was very specifically targeting minors.”

MouthyBuddha has probably some of the better presentations about elite pedophilia and symbolism, and in this video from 4:55 - 7:00 he responds to some of his viewers who start to see pedophile symbols everywhere, like a random youtube channel with a logo that looked like the "boy lover" symbol. MouthyBuddha gives the appropriate advise that just because the symbol appears similar, it doesn't mean there's an intentional connection. Correlation ≠ Causation. You need the symbol and something else to prove something, a second witness.

4:55 - 7:00
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kftvQhTH08U/

abijah` wrote: ↑May 5th, 2021, 1:06 pm MouthyBuddha has probably some of the better presentations about elite pedophilia and symbolism, and in this video from 4:55 - 7:00 he responds to some of his viewers who start to see pedophile symbols everywhere, like a random youtube channel with a logo that looked like the "boy lover" symbol. MouthyBuddha gives the appropriate advise that just because the symbol appears similar, it doesn't mean there's an intentional connection. Correlation ≠ Causation. You need the symbol and something else to prove something, a second witness.

4:55 - 7:00
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kftvQhTH08U/

Yes, if there were not so many other red flags, the symbols on this year’s church youth manual would be less concerning. But consider the context:

*Long history of church leaders covering up child-sexual abuse, including Nelson covering for his daughter who “was mostly the cheerleader & took videos” for the child-sex-abuse “parties.”

*Zoom, partly owned by church leaders, has been filming our children at church, for many to see on the world-wide web, even when Zoom executives spied on & spammed accounts with child porn.

*Various actions church leaders have taken that have supported deviated sexual behavior, going along with homosexual propaganda like one is born wanting deviated sex.

*Youth manual with symbols that FBI discovered are commonly used in pedophile elite circles to communicate to one another. It reminds me of the white surrender handkerchief waved which began a series of church leaders bowing to anti-constitutional, deceptive tyranny. It’s like they are saying to elite pedophiles, “we surrender” - here are many children in our organization.


Other, less directly related red flags:

*China’s goal is to replace the US as superpower by their anniversary in 2049. China & Russia are working together, & Russia/Soviet Union established North Korea & China around the same time as Israel. Israel, which gets more foreign aid than all others combined, has been giving China US military intelligence. Russia rep said they’d overthrow US without firing a shot - by destroying it from within.

*Russel Nelson is fluent in Chinese. (No mission, just learned it on his own.)

*China - as well as other countries (but to a lesser oppressive extent) - are interested in biomedical surveillance.

*The youth symbol is of a fingerprint & China’s color, red.

*LDS Family Search, encouraged many members to get “free” account on ancestry. Recently, Ancestry was sold to China-affiliated Blackstone.