Discerning Symbols

[oneClimbs]

That's the thing about symbols, they are entirely subjective. I am a designer as well like Robbinius and have done a lot of work on symbolism. I also agree with your husband's assessment and am inclined to think that they are just catering to their market. You have people producing "Liberal Tears" gun oil and you have spice companies talking about climate change and such. Businesses can often make a political lean part of their brand.

You've got some left-leaning spices there is all. I don't think they are evil people trying to conquer the world with spices, but just your typical lefties being lefties.

[Juliet]

Interestingly enough, biblically "logos" means the word of God. Usually logos include geometry. I think the word of God and the healing of the future is going to incorporate sacred geometry. It makes one wonder about the origins of using geometric shapes as images to help instill something in the mind as a way of making money.

[cyclOps]

The new youth manual logo does not have the people logo in it.

They dumped the last one and made a new one? Have a link?

I’m talking about the same one as everyone else in this thread. It does not contain pedophile symbols. Never has, never will.

[Zathura]

The new youth manual logo does not have the people logo in it.

Yep.

But somehow to so many it’s incomprehensible that someone could come up with a heart inside another heart without being a freaking pedophile.

I mean they had to zoom in, rotate the image, and make an outline in order to try and prove there was a phallic symbol for heaven sakes.

[cyclOps]

The new youth manual logo does not have the people logo in it.

Yep.

But somehow to so many it’s incomprehensible that someone could come up with a heart inside another heart without being a freaking pedophile.

I mean they had to zoom in, rotate the image, and make an outline in order to try and prove there was a phallic symbol for heaven sakes.

Man I should proofread before I hit send. It should read pedophile, not people.

You are speaking common sense here, Zathura.

[Alaris]

The new youth manual logo does not have the people logo in it.

Yep.

But somehow to so many it’s incomprehensible that someone could come up with a heart inside another heart without being a freaking pedophile.

I mean they had to zoom in, rotate the image, and make an outline in order to try and prove there was a phallic symbol for heaven sakes.

Man I should proofread before I hit send. It should read pedophile, not people.

You are speaking common sense here, Zathura.

You failed to mention the third symbol all over the place which is another known pedo symbol on the youth manual. What would we do without you all to glance at this and declare "nothing" by your insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "nothing" when two known pedo symbols + a phallic symbol are all on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "coincidences") Not worth taking a closer look. In fact let's shame people who think there's something here worth investigating further.

Is this simple contrarianism? Or is there something more here?

[Zathura]

The new youth manual logo does not have the people logo in it.

Yep.

But somehow to so many it’s incomprehensible that someone could come up with a heart inside another heart without being a freaking pedophile.

I mean they had to zoom in, rotate the image, and make an outline in order to try and prove there was a phallic symbol for heaven sakes.

Man I should proofread before I hit send. It should read pedophile, not people.

You are speaking common sense here, Zathura.

You failed to mention the third symbol all over the place which is another known pedo symbol on the youth manual. What would we do without you all to glance at this and declare "nothing" by your insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "nothing" when two known pedo symbols + a phallic symbol are all on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "coincidences") Not worth taking a closer look. In fact let's shame people who think there's something here worth investigating further.

Is this simple contrarianism? Or is there something more here?

Look at your avatar image.

Look at the sign the figure is making with his fingers.

Pedophiles do that too.

Are you supporting pedophilia Alaris? It's obvious that you are. Why deny it?

edit:

Obvious sarcasm.. so that haters don't have an excuse to lie to mods and try to get me banned.

[cyclOps]

The new youth manual logo does not have the people logo in it.

Yep.

But somehow to so many it’s incomprehensible that someone could come up with a heart inside another heart without being a freaking pedophile.

I mean they had to zoom in, rotate the image, and make an outline in order to try and prove there was a phallic symbol for heaven sakes.

Man I should proofread before I hit send. It should read pedophile, not people.

You are speaking common sense here, Zathura.

You failed to mention the third symbol all over the place which is another known pedo symbol on the youth manual. What would we do without you all to glance at this and declare "nothing" by your insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "nothing" when two known pedo symbols + a phallic symbol are all on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "coincidences") Not worth taking a closer look. In fact let's shame people who think there's something here worth investigating further.

Is this simple contrarianism? Or is there something more here?

What would we do without Alaris to glance at this and declare "they’re all pedophiles" by his insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "they’re all pedophiles" when no known pedo symbols nor a phallic symbol are all not on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "nothingburgers").

Where did I shame anyone? I was actually looking for a coherent discussion. Are you feeling ashamed?

[Zathura]

Classic Alaris. Obviously has given his judgement on church leadership and announced them guilty , but when people resist he acts like victim and says he merely wanted to "investigate" the matter and they are shaming him for wanting to "find the truth".

You don't want to investigate anything guy. You already declared them guilty.

[Alaris]

Yep.

But somehow to so many it’s incomprehensible that someone could come up with a heart inside another heart without being a freaking pedophile.

I mean they had to zoom in, rotate the image, and make an outline in order to try and prove there was a phallic symbol for heaven sakes.

Man I should proofread before I hit send. It should read pedophile, not people.

You are speaking common sense here, Zathura.

You failed to mention the third symbol all over the place which is another known pedo symbol on the youth manual. What would we do without you all to glance at this and declare "nothing" by your insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "nothing" when two known pedo symbols + a phallic symbol are all on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "coincidences") Not worth taking a closer look. In fact let's shame people who think there's something here worth investigating further.

Is this simple contrarianism? Or is there something more here?

What would we do without Alaris to glance at this and declare "they’re all pedophiles" by his insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "they’re all pedophiles" when no known pedo symbols nor a phallic symbol are all not on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "nothingburgers").

Where did I shame anyone? I was actually looking for a coherent discussion. Are you feeling ashamed?

Who is they and when did I declare "them" "all" pedophiles?

You just shamed me with a hilariously false accusation. Didn't work in case you can't tell.

[Alaris]

Classic Alaris. Obviously has given his judgement on church leadership and announced them guilty , but when people resist he acts like victim and says he merely wanted to "investigate" the matter and they are shaming him for wanting to "find the truth".

You don't want to investigate anything guy. You already declared them guilty.

Wow two people leveling false accusations at me about the pedophilia symbols you all are declaring are not there. Don't believe your lying eyes! Lol. And don't bother looking into our false accusations about Alaris accusing "them all"

Lol

Over target

[Zathura]

Classic Alaris. Obviously has given his judgement on church leadership and announced them guilty , but when people resist he acts like victim and says he merely wanted to "investigate" the matter and they are shaming him for wanting to "find the truth".

You don't want to investigate anything guy. You already declared them guilty.

Wow two people levering false accusations at me about the pedophilia symbols you all are declaring are not there. Don't believe your lying eyes! Lol. And don't bother looking into our false accusations about Alaris accusing "them all"

Lol

Over target

I'm so sorry this happened to you , you poor thing

[Juliet]

Total BS honestly, I think many of us are reading too much into stuff like this. Not saying this kind of thing doesn’t happen, but at the same time, if you see Garfield (the cat) in your Toast it doesn’t take much effort to start seeing him everywhere else you look, whether he actually there or not.

Ok, but if my kids are seen with shoes on the wrong feet, social services will investigate me. There is nothing wrong with saying people are reading too much into it, let's just do a proper investigation to be sure.

If there is probable cause then it doesn't mean someone is guilty. It means we have an obligation to investigate the situation. Using what could be seen as child pedo symbols to me is probable cause. If it was all just a mere coincidence, then an investigation will hurt no one. If it isn't a mere coincidence, then not investigating could hurt many.

So it is, there are some members of organizations that are practically untouchable. This in and of itself is not the best environment. You say anything against a person of prominence and you get sued to oblivain for defamation. But if a mother doesn't make sure her kid's shoes are on right, services are ready and waiting to investigate her with all rights removed, including the right of the accused to face the accuser. When you put it all together it paints a picture of corruption.

[cyclOps]

Man I should proofread before I hit send. It should read pedophile, not people.

You are speaking common sense here, Zathura.

You failed to mention the third symbol all over the place which is another known pedo symbol on the youth manual. What would we do without you all to glance at this and declare "nothing" by your insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "nothing" when two known pedo symbols + a phallic symbol are all on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "coincidences") Not worth taking a closer look. In fact let's shame people who think there's something here worth investigating further.

Is this simple contrarianism? Or is there something more here?

What would we do without Alaris to glance at this and declare "they’re all pedophiles" by his insight alone?

And why? What motivates you to declare "they’re all pedophiles" when no known pedo symbols nor a phallic symbol are all not on the LDS youth manual (that's now four "nothingburgers").

Where did I shame anyone? I was actually looking for a coherent discussion. Are you feeling ashamed?

Who is they and when did I declare "them" "all" pedophiles?

You just shamed me with a hilariously false accusation. Didn't work in case you can't tell.

I hope you can at least recognize the irony, if not the hypocrisy.

[oneClimbs]

Interestingly enough, biblically "logos" means the word of God. Usually logos include geometry. I think the word of God and the healing of the future is going to incorporate sacred geometry. It makes one wonder about the origins of using geometric shapes as images to help instill something in the mind as a way of making money.

Unfortunately, you cannot communicate any messages at all without using what God created whether it is symbols or sounds or movements, or anything in the physical world. Yet, it is necessary for us to trade, sell, exchange services and to use what God created to do so. God made us dependent on the material world for our temporal survival. As long as we are seeking to do good, I don't think there is a problem. If you are manipulating people and have an evil agenda I think there is a problem.

You can use a stone to murder someone, or to build a temple. It's what is in your heart that matters.

[SPIRIT]

this was someones comment some time ago on instagram.
#PRIDEAGENDA
thetruthisinplainsight
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB-DmYAgN4v/

This post is not to offend anyone who identifies themselves within this community.
This is about raising awareness about the sinister agendas at play.
I know it's PRIDE week, but the programming of all of these movements are too much.
I mean just look at this video - this is suffocating! Question what's going on here and why we are being intoxicated
by rainbow flags & black fists in the air? Identify the subdivision culture, divide & conquer, us vs. them tactics.
And why so desperado to put people into categories & label them?
Why not celebrate who & what you are irrespective of your interests & beliefs..
Learn to love & respect each other as individual human consciousness, not because you associate with a certain category.
I'm a British-Asian-straight woman - shall we make a community for it?
Shall we create an insta filter for it? Silly idea right?
The satanic deity these dark forces worship is a genderless freak that lusts after sexual abuse, and children.
THEY will of course promote the movements of transgenderism, PRIDE, feminism, BLM, etc - because it manipulates individuals away from high conscious living. These predators want to infiltrate the minds of the youth, sexualising them, messing with their thoughts & intentions, giving them an option to choose their genders at such a tender age and have even been caught in acts of peodophilia through the whole PRIDE movement.
I want to reiterate that I've no intention to offend individuals who fall in this category - sorry but this isn't about you or me, the intention is to raise awareness about the deep & dark deceptions weaved into the agendas you see being played out. And again from a higher perspective, understanding that their goal is to eradicate pro-creation, family life, love & connection to the Creator and as individuals working towards achieving collective consciousness towards ascension - we have to share these uncomfortable truths - even if it rocks the boat! Don't fall for these MK Ultra programming traps!
Break out of the matrix and raise your vibration to the true divine high conscious being you are!

[ampeterlin]

I just overheard my daughter talking with other LDS friends online.

They were laughing at the music manual with the heart around a phallic symbol, although they used a more graphic term.

Later I reminded my daughter she had a dream lately about subliminal messaging through church music.

Her dream 2 days ago: we were back in NC, our old bishop was in charge of a music cult and wanted the youth to participate. My daughter said no way and ran away. She said the bishop was trying to brainwash the youth using subliminal messaging in the new music he was creating.

[Allison]

What manual is everyone talking about?

[cyclOps]

What manual is everyone talking about?

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... outh-theme

[Thinker]

“Pedophiles are disrupting Zoom sessions. The FBI wants your help in finding them. The agency has received more than 240 reports of people using Zoom to broadcast videos depicting child sexual abuse.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pe ... g-n1215731

The church has been broadcasting our children on Zoom. The youth manual with what looks like pedophile symbols, is even more of a red flag.

[oneClimbs]

“Pedophiles are disrupting Zoom sessions. The FBI wants your help in finding them. The agency has received more than 240 reports of people using Zoom to broadcast videos depicting child sexual abuse.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pe ... g-n1215731

The church has been broadcasting our children on Zoom. The youth manual with what looks like pedophile symbols, is even more of a red flag.

Did anyone post a picture of this supposed symbol on the youth manual? I’m pretty well versed on symbolism (been designing logos for almost 30 years) so I’m interested in this allegation.

[oneClimbs]

Look here's some food for thought. I designed an icon for a project I was working on. The category was relationships and the icon was made of pinkish red nested hearts that looks just like one of the pedo symbols.

I had no idea this was even a thing when I designed it. I only recently took a look at this icon and flipped out and immediately changed it.

There’s no telling if anyone noticed and if they did, allegations could have been made that would have been completely false. Removing it could have been seen as a coverup. Again, would have been false.

Sometimes symbols are used innocently or by people unaware of some of the deep and dark contexts in which they are used.

Symbols are not inherently good or evil, what they communicate depends entirely on the meaning given to them and different groups can use the same symbols to communicate different things.

It’s not wise to read meaning into the symbols of others without understanding why and how they are using them otherwise you end up bearing false witness.

[Thinker]

“Pedophiles are disrupting Zoom sessions. The FBI wants your help in finding them. The agency has received more than 240 reports of people using Zoom to broadcast videos depicting child sexual abuse.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pe ... g-n1215731

The church has been broadcasting our children on Zoom. The youth manual with what looks like pedophile symbols, is even more of a red flag.

Did anyone post a picture of this supposed symbol on the youth manual? I’m pretty well versed on symbolism (been designing logos for almost 30 years) so I’m interested in this allegation.

If there weren’t so many other red flags (repeated child sex abuse cover-ups by church leaders etc) I wouldn’t be so concerned.



LDS 2021 youth manual

[oneClimbs]

“Pedophiles are disrupting Zoom sessions. The FBI wants your help in finding them. The agency has received more than 240 reports of people using Zoom to broadcast videos depicting child sexual abuse.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pe ... g-n1215731

The church has been broadcasting our children on Zoom. The youth manual with what looks like pedophile symbols, is even more of a red flag.

Did anyone post a picture of this supposed symbol on the youth manual? I’m pretty well versed on symbolism (been designing logos for almost 30 years) so I’m interested in this allegation.

If there weren’t so many other red flags (repeated child sex abuse cover-ups by church leaders etc) I wouldn’t be so concerned.



LDS 2021 youth manual

Hmm. My personal viewpoint is that I don’t think that this is an example of pedo symbolism. You have a fingerprint here conveying the uniqueness of the individual with many icons including a heart. Like I mentioned in a previous comment, I have inadvertently made a very similar but far closer symbol in a business project without intentionally meaning to.

Being a designer myself, you produce a lot of symbols and icons. Hearts, triangles, and spirals are very common elements. In fact I just designed a triangular V logo that you could say has a vaguely spiral nature to it. But someone with an imagination could read ill intentions if they wanted.

With millions of members you’re going to have some snakes. I had a pedophile as a counselor who hid like a snake, a true predator. He is in prison for life.

The church should never try to stand in the way of justice. There are cases of false accusations though too. In many of these situations it is very hard to discern the truth and I imagine that many guilty go free due to a lack of evidence but that is how our system works. Unfortunately these guys are often very good at covering their tracks. You gotta have the evidence but if you cannot prove it, you can’t treat a guy like a criminal if he’s proven innocent.

This really, really sucks.

I don’t have any compassion for those that hurt children.

[Thinker]

Hmm. My personal viewpoint is that I don’t think that this is an example of pedo symbolism. You have a fingerprint here conveying the uniqueness of the individual with many icons including a heart...

There’s more - look again at it & FBI discovered pedophile symbols. And again, repeatedly covering up child sex abuse is nothing to casually dismiss. Even though a pedophile came forward to confess himself & named Nelson’s daughter, it was dismissed. Some have reason to believe church leaders have influence over Utah courts. So as it is, all we can do is study it out & pray. After doing so, I’ve felt the Spirit confirm the need to maintain boundaries & warn. I could be wrong, but again, I’d rather err on the side of caution, given all the facts.

Another issue worthy of attention is the reason for the fingerprint, given how the lds church has sold members’ & their families’ genealogical information to ancestry who recently sold it to China-affiliated Blackstone. China has been harvesting organs from concentration camp prisoners & even US donors.

Blackstone Reaches $4.7 Billion Deal to Buy Ancestry.com
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... cestry-com

“Blackstone Announces Majority Stake in the Largest Logistics Park in China's Greater Bay Area 09 November 2020 HONG KONG, November 10, 2020 -“
https://www.blackstone.com/press-releas ... -bay-area/

A Hong Kong-flagged cargo ship departed South Carolina in July carrying 6,000 pounds of human remains valued at $67,204
https://www.westernjournal.com/shipping ... argo-ship/

China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes
“Some of the more than 1.5 million detainees in Chinese prison camps are being killed for their organs to serve a booming transplant trade that is worth some $1 billion a year.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chin ... s-n1018646

Blackstone Group to Buy Stake in Israeli Firm Behind Gov Surveillance Software
https://www.mintpressnews.com/blackston ... re/230073/